Maryilyn, The DNA testing will be very interesting. I have doubts about German origins of some of the Thomas people. It was Elizabeth (supposedly Russell, daughter of William Russell, but that has not been proved) who married Edmund Thomas (see Suzanne Matson Collin's write up about him) who married John Holtzclaw. She was apparently pregnant when her Thomas husband died, and she soon married John Holtzcloaw, son of Jacob-1, and named this baby boy Jacob Thomas, apparently in honor of Jacob-1 Holtzclaw, leader of the first colony. THEREFORE, it is not surprising that the offspring of this Jacob Thomas (and I do not know who they are) would have been raised in the German community of the first colony. The connections to the 2nd colony may arise from the intertwining of both groups (at times.). I am no expert in this area, but did want to throw it out as a research and discussion topic. Again, I think Suzanne Matson Collins probably has a much firmer grasp on these particulars. BUT...Edmund Thomas is probably NOT a German. The whole Russell issue is another story, but there is NO evidence that Elizabeth (-----) Thomas was a daughter of William Russell. B. C Holtzclaw never provided any evidence, and in working on the sources Holtzclaw DID provide, there were many deeds of GIFT to his children, but the only deed involing John Holtzclaw was a SALE, not a GIFT. Craig Kilby Lancaster, VA On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: > I have added quite a few sources for the children of John Thomas and his first wife, Mary to document parentage for these children and their spouses and to document what I have for estimations for births, deaths and marriages. (I have already done Albrecht, Johannes and his children but need to confirm that they are FINISHED) > This would be > Mary Barbara Thomas and Jacob Blankenbaker > Mary Thomas and Joseph Holtzclaw > Elizabeth Thomas and John Railsback > Susannah Thomas and Jacob Holtzclaw > Michael Thomas and Barbara. > > I am going to write some type of story for Johannes detailing the family relationships proven by DNA testing but that is for another day > > PLEASE if you have ANY info on these 5 couples would you check our notes to see if any dates can be narrowed down a little ot if you have any notes that would add sources. > > > I am NOT going to edit the Railsback, Blankenbaker, Holtzclaw lines -- only Michael and John Thomas. > > Take care all, Marilyn > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And don't you just know how much I would love to get my hands on some DNA from that Jacob THOMAS line to prove or disprove an Albrecht Thoma connection. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> To: Germanna List German Colonists List <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; Germans-VA <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:34 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thomas Tree Maryilyn, The DNA testing will be very interesting. I have doubts about German origins of some of the Thomas people. It was Elizabeth (supposedly Russell, daughter of William Russell, but that has not been proved) who married Edmund Thomas (see Suzanne Matson Collin's write up about him) who married John Holtzclaw. She was apparently pregnant when her Thomas husband died, and she soon married John Holtzcloaw, son of Jacob-1, and named this baby boy Jacob Thomas, apparently in honor of Jacob-1 Holtzclaw, leader of the first colony. THEREFORE, it is not surprising that the offspring of this Jacob Thomas (and I do not know who they are) would have been raised in the German community of the first colony. The connections to the 2nd colony may arise from the intertwining of both groups (at times.). I am no expert in this area, but did want to throw it out as a research and discussion topic. Again, I think Suzanne Matson Collins probably has a much firmer grasp on these particulars. BUT...Edmund Thomas is probably NOT a German. The whole Russell issue is another story, but there is NO evidence that Elizabeth (-----) Thomas was a daughter of William Russell. B. C Holtzclaw never provided any evidence, and in working on the sources Holtzclaw DID provide, there were many deeds of GIFT to his children, but the only deed involing John Holtzclaw was a SALE, not a GIFT. Craig Kilby Lancaster, VA On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: > I have added quite a few sources for the children of John Thomas and his first wife, Mary to document parentage for these children and their spouses and to document what I have for estimations for births, deaths and marriages. (I have already done Albrecht, Johannes and his children but need to confirm that they are FINISHED) > This would be > Mary Barbara Thomas and Jacob Blankenbaker > Mary Thomas and Joseph Holtzclaw > Elizabeth Thomas and John Railsback > Susannah Thomas and Jacob Holtzclaw > Michael Thomas and Barbara. > > I am going to write some type of story for Johannes detailing the family relationships proven by DNA testing but that is for another day > > PLEASE if you have ANY info on these 5 couples would you check our notes to see if any dates can be narrowed down a little ot if you have any notes that would add sources. > > > I am NOT going to edit the Railsback, Blankenbaker, Holtzclaw lines -- only Michael and John Thomas. > > Take care all, Marilyn > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message