Marilyn, Bürger = citizen Bürgermeister = Mayor Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Marrying Out of the Neighborhood > Great stories about the journeymen and apprentices. Thanks to all who > shared. I was curious about another thing with the marriage of Albrecht > Thoma and Maria Ann SCHLUNDT. I know in our early history, the marriage > USUALLY took place in the home county of the bride -- actually still does > around my neck of the woods. Maybe her family had moved to Neuenburg after > her birth. Her dad was burger (is that Mayor) of the town where she was > born. Would the mayor's daughter marry a farmer? Maybe burger is NOT > mayor. Elke, my German geography is at the bottom of my learning curve so > I did not realize the distance between the two towns. You have opened up a > new territory for me to figure out puzzle pieces. If I decide to check the > church records for where she was born -- can you give me any suggestions > as to what to look for in the card catalog for SLC. Maybe I'll even find > out that Albrecht came from there. <smile> Take care. Marilyn

True, he could have been a journeyman. Some German apprentices are taking up the custom again, as you saw when you were in Germany. It was actually a requirement for an apprentice to go through the "Walz", as they called it and complete the "journey" before they could meet the requirements to be a "master" carpenter or similar profession, cooper, etc. My own "carpenter" grandfather was one of them at one point. They had to carry a book, similar to a passport and report in at the police / mayor at every town they passed. Then they would go to a "master" to ask if he would hire them for a certain period to learn more for their journey. The booklet was stamped or certified that they were there. They can "hitch hike" but not use their own transportation, public transportation etc. They wore an earring, if they behaved dishonorably during their journey the earring was torn out and from then on they were known as a "Schlitzohr" = split ear. I guess that was the end of it, they were forever branded. One requirement for the journey was that they were single, free of debt, and without children. So if one was married on their "journey" he could never become a "master". But he may have had completed his journey and then moved after he was married. More research needed! My grandfather wore his "Kluft", the black bell bottom pants and white collarless shirt throughout his life. Germans can tell by the clothes the journeyman wears to what profession they belong. I always loved my grandfather's "Kluft", even though later his jacket and hat identified him as a Master. There are lots of folksongs in German describing the "romantic" part of the journeyman's journey. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EVELYN WALLACE Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:53 AM To: germanna Subject: [GERMANNA] Marrying Out of the Neighborhood This message was on Germanna rootsweb list recently: Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke [end of original message] Taking a stab at exploring why a German man may find his bride elsewhere:: When my husband and I were living at Rhein-Main AFB near Frankfurt [on Main], Hesse in the early 1950s, we frequently saw young German men dressed in antique costumes and similar hats and carrying cloth bags with tools protruding from the bags. They were frequently standing on the highway, awaiting transportation--probably by strangers, even Americans. (Frankfurt had been horribly bombed during WW II, and was being rebuilt slowly--the Goethe Haus early on. The zoo was OK, so were the botanical gardens, and the Messe Hall [fair ground buildings.] Not many Germans at that time had automobiles and so it was strangers who would give these men rides We had a baby in back and did not pick them up. Besides we were not going very far. Most West Germans at that time had bicycles and used rad-wegs [bicycle paths], but not these young men. They were hitch-hiking. They obviously were on the road--not staying any particular place. Their costumes which to this unpracticed eye seemed of a medieval period were quite attractive. I asked our German friend about these young men. I now forget the term she used, but these were apprentice carpenters, it seems--or journeymen. Did she use the term *Auswanderer*? I cannot remember. If these men (journeymen) in the 20th century had to go to other communities to gain work, would that have happened in earlier times? Could that *wandering* account for marriages to a bride *out of district*? Although 1/4 German myself, I have not accumulated much knowledge of German customs and manners. Most of what I have learned since living in Germany for about 18 months has been from genealogists who study and lecture and write about German customs, genealogy, etc--Clifford Neale Smith, John Humphries, et al. I am now referring to a book long on my shelves called The Library: A Guide to the LDS Family History Library edited by Johni Cerny & Wendy Elliott published some years ago by Ancestry Publishing. There is a VERY longish chapter (Chap. 19) Germany and Central Europe. It begins with Historical Background and reminds us of the spotty history of that part of Europe. The author Richard W. Dougherty tells how to navigate the records in the FH Library. I do know that current-day names are given for the various provinces. Some of my people were from Schliesen [Silesia--particularly a village called Ratiborhammer]. This community is now in Poland--Opeln, and thus, one has to look for that Polish heading and for *Raciborz* to find the church records for Ratiborhammer, Hammer being a village outside of Raciborz, formerly Ratibor.. If you can find this book The Library in the reference section of your public library, I recommend you take a look at it. The author Richard W.Dougherty has good words of advice--and some of caution--about how to use the German collection at the FH Library in Salt Lake City. I heard a lecture long ago about a young man who had gained entry to Eastern Germany and had won the confidence of a clergyman in what was then Eastern Germany. That Lutheran minister had told the young man that the church in Eastern Germany would never allow the LDS to film their church records. Since political boundaries have now changed, who knows what has happened? And the church may have changed its mind also. I think we genealogists like to be challenged. We certainly have to learn new ways when we switch jurisdictions to research. E.W.Wallace You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gross-Aurach is now simply Aurach. I have been there many times. Elke Hall -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anita Schmidt Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:40 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] FW: Thoma family sources The Wikipedia states: "Gross-Aurach, Germany" does not exist That does not mean it never existed. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Schmidt [mailto:schmidt.a@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 9:36 PM To: 'germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources In Germany Auerbach, Erzgebirgskreis, in the Erzgebirgskreis district, Saxony Auerbach (Albtal), a part of Karlsbad in the Karlsruhe district Auerbach (Allgäu), a part of Stetten, Bavaria in the Unterallgäu district Auerbach (Bauland), a part of Elztal in the Neckar-Odenwald district Auerbach (Bensheim), a part of Bensheim in the Bergstraße district Auerbach (Horgau), a part of Horgau in the Augsburg district Auerbach in der Oberpfalz, in the Amberg-Sulzbach district Auerbach, Lower Bavaria, in the Deggendorf district Auerbach (Vogtland), in the Vogtlandkreis district, Saxony -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:32 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:51 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Thanks Elke, do you have a source for this date of birth by any chance and/or a citation. You are such a wonderful help. Thank you, Marilyn x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This message was on Germanna rootsweb list recently: Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke [end of original message] Taking a stab at exploring why a German man may find his bride elsewhere:: When my husband and I were living at Rhein-Main AFB near Frankfurt [on Main], Hesse in the early 1950s, we frequently saw young German men dressed in antique costumes and similar hats and carrying cloth bags with tools protruding from the bags. They were frequently standing on the highway, awaiting transportation--probably by strangers, even Americans. (Frankfurt had been horribly bombed during WW II, and was being rebuilt slowly--the Goethe Haus early on. The zoo was OK, so were the botanical gardens, and the Messe Hall [fair ground buildings.] Not many Germans at that time had automobiles and so it was strangers who would give these men rides We had a baby in back and did not pick them up. Besides we were not going very far. Most West Germans at that time had bicycles and used rad-wegs [bicycle paths], but not these young men. They were hitch-hiking. They obviously were on the road--not staying any particular place. Their costumes which to this unpracticed eye seemed of a medieval period were quite attractive. I asked our German friend about these young men. I now forget the term she used, but these were apprentice carpenters, it seems--or journeymen. Did she use the term *Auswanderer*? I cannot remember. If these men (journeymen) in the 20th century had to go to other communities to gain work, would that have happened in earlier times? Could that *wandering* account for marriages to a bride *out of district*? Although 1/4 German myself, I have not accumulated much knowledge of German customs and manners. Most of what I have learned since living in Germany for about 18 months has been from genealogists who study and lecture and write about German customs, genealogy, etc--Clifford Neale Smith, John Humphries, et al. I am now referring to a book long on my shelves called The Library: A Guide to the LDS Family History Library edited by Johni Cerny & Wendy Elliott published some years ago by Ancestry Publishing. There is a VERY longish chapter (Chap. 19) Germany and Central Europe. It begins with Historical Background and reminds us of the spotty history of that part of Europe. The author Richard W. Dougherty tells how to navigate the records in the FH Library. I do know that current-day names are given for the various provinces. Some of my people were from Schliesen [Silesia--particularly a village called Ratiborhammer]. This community is now in Poland--Opeln, and thus, one has to look for that Polish heading and for *Raciborz* to find the church records for Ratiborhammer, Hammer being a village outside of Raciborz, formerly Ratibor.. If you can find this book The Library in the reference section of your public library, I recommend you take a look at it. The author Richard W.Dougherty has good words of advice--and some of caution--about how to use the German collection at the FH Library in Salt Lake City. I heard a lecture long ago about a young man who had gained entry to Eastern Germany and had won the confidence of a clergyman in what was then Eastern Germany. That Lutheran minister had told the young man that the church in Eastern Germany would never allow the LDS to film their church records. Since political boundaries have now changed, who knows what has happened? And the church may have changed its mind also. I think we genealogists like to be challenged. We certainly have to learn new ways when we switch jurisdictions to research. E.W.Wallace

The Wikipedia states: "Gross-Aurach, Germany" does not exist That does not mean it never existed. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Schmidt [mailto:schmidt.a@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 9:36 PM To: 'germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources In Germany Auerbach, Erzgebirgskreis, in the Erzgebirgskreis district, Saxony Auerbach (Albtal), a part of Karlsbad in the Karlsruhe district Auerbach (Allgäu), a part of Stetten, Bavaria in the Unterallgäu district Auerbach (Bauland), a part of Elztal in the Neckar-Odenwald district Auerbach (Bensheim), a part of Bensheim in the Bergstraße district Auerbach (Horgau), a part of Horgau in the Augsburg district Auerbach in der Oberpfalz, in the Amberg-Sulzbach district Auerbach, Lower Bavaria, in the Deggendorf district Auerbach (Vogtland), in the Vogtlandkreis district, Saxony -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:32 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:51 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Thanks Elke, do you have a source for this date of birth by any chance and/or a citation. You are such a wonderful help. Thank you, Marilyn x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Germany Auerbach, Erzgebirgskreis, in the Erzgebirgskreis district, Saxony Auerbach (Albtal), a part of Karlsbad in the Karlsruhe district Auerbach (Allgäu), a part of Stetten, Bavaria in the Unterallgäu district Auerbach (Bauland), a part of Elztal in the Neckar-Odenwald district Auerbach (Bensheim), a part of Bensheim in the Bergstraße district Auerbach (Horgau), a part of Horgau in the Augsburg district Auerbach in der Oberpfalz, in the Amberg-Sulzbach district Auerbach, Lower Bavaria, in the Deggendorf district Auerbach (Vogtland), in the Vogtlandkreis district, Saxony -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:32 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:51 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Thanks Elke, do you have a source for this date of birth by any chance and/or a citation. You are such a wonderful help. Thank you, Marilyn x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Taufen = Baptized or Christened Toten Death Heiraten to marry You can Google for tranations. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Matson Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:36 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Microfilms Taufen-baptisms Tote-deaths Heiraten-marriages Suzanne Collins Matson --- On Sat, 9/10/11, gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > From: gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> > Subject: [GERMANNA] Microfilms > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com, germans-va@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 10:12 PM Can someone clue me in on > the what these words mean - TAUFEN, TOTE, and HEIRATEN > > OBERÖWISHEIM: Taufen 1726-1805, 1784-1800 - FHL INTL Film [ 1192078 > Items 7-8 ] Tote 1799-1805 -- Taufen 1806-1836 -- Heiraten 1806-1850 > -- Tote 1806-1961, 1941-1949 -- Heiraten 1954-1962 -- Taufen > 1959-1961, 1836-1868 -- Heiraten 1851-1865 - FHL INTL Film [ 1192079 ] > > Going to try to track down any of Albrecht's family who stayed in that > area, on my next trip to SLC > > Take care, Marilyn > > > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion201 > 1.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have added sources for 3 generations of the Thomas family - WHEW -- What a job. My goal is to get 5 done in my life time. It now becomes harder because no one is left in Virginia and they have started to scatter. I also added a blurb about the Thomas DNA results on Johannes page and a page of events for Henry Aylor on his page. Take care. Marilyn

Can someone clue me in on the what these words mean - TAUFEN, TOTE, and HEIRATEN OBERÖWISHEIM: Taufen 1726-1805, 1784-1800 - FHL INTL Film [ 1192078 Items 7-8 ] Tote 1799-1805 -- Taufen 1806-1836 -- Heiraten 1806-1850 -- Tote 1806-1961, 1941-1949 -- Heiraten 1954-1962 -- Taufen 1959-1961, 1836-1868 -- Heiraten 1851-1865 - FHL INTL Film [ 1192079 ] Going to try to track down any of Albrecht's family who stayed in that area, on my next trip to SLC Take care, Marilyn

>From Ruth & Sam Sparacio, Deed Abstracts of Prince William County, Virginia (1740-1741) [McLean, VA: Ruth and Sam Sparacio, 1989] p. 39 (Now known as The Antient Press, McLean, VA. There is a website. Google for it.) Prince William County Deed Book E 1740-1741 p. 224 To All to Whom these presents shall come Greeting Know yee that I William Russell of the County of Prince William for divers good causes but more especially for the tender love & affection which I do bear my Son William Russell Junr do grant unto him a parcel of land whereon the said William Russell Junr now lives the said land bounded by the land of Richard Grubs, Peter Hitt & John Houlsclaw the said William Russell Junr is to enjoy the said piece of land according to the bounds already made by me the said William Russell first party to these presents. To Have and To Hold the said parcel of land to him my said Son William Russell Junr his heirs and assigns. In Witness whereof the party first above mentioned hath hereunto set his hand & Seale this 10th day of April Anno Domini 1741. Wm Russell At a Court held for Prince William County April the 27th 1741 William Russell acknowledged this Deed to be his act and deed and it was thereupon admitted to Record. (The deeds preceding this one.on pp 38 & 39 of Sparacios' book, executed by William Russell, grantor, are granted to his sons Martin Russell and to Nicholas Russell. The lands have slightly different boundaries. The first one, recorded on p. 222 of the same deed book mentions lines of Madam Page, John Houlsclaw, NIcholas Russell & William Russell Junr. The second deed, recorded on p. 223 of same deed book refer to lines of Madam Page, Tilman Count [this writer's note: Is this surname Coontz or similar spelling?] & William Russell Junr.) If you have trouble finding earlier records of your Fauquier Co., ancestors, I suggest you try Prince William Co. records, and, if you are lucky Stafford Co. records. Unfortunately, most of Stafford's records have been destroyed. Re Some Stafford entries: There are two volumes compiled by John Vogt & T. William Kethley, Jr. of New Papyrus Co., Athens, GA. www.genealogyressources.org. The title of their two volumes. Stafford County Virginia Tithables 1723-1790: Quit Rents, Personal Property Taxes & related lists and petitions. (There are lengthy petitions in the appendices relating to the residents of Stafford Co. seeking an alteration in the boundary line with King George County, and it is dated Oct 15, 1776. Also, there is a similarly worded petition from the inhabitants of King George Co. same time period. (The Revolution had already started.) You will have to purchase both volumes [paperback] because the index is in Volume Two. You will find the surnames of many of the English-named families with whom the Germanna residents later intermarried. You will find the name Jacob Holtzclaw [spelled differently] in the Stafford Co. books. Also these Kempers appear in the Stafford Co. records: Jacob and John, both owning or residing on land 1728/9 on Rappahannock River (p. 121 & 122) Then another Kemper male: Peter Kemper, same date, same place. To Germanna experts:. (Comment: Since John Kemper aka Camper is supposed to have come to Virginia in 1714 as a bachelor, I do not think these neighboring land occupiers named Kemper are his children, but rather his brothers, nephews, uncles, cousins, etc. Does anyone know HOW and WHEN these other Kemper males got here to Virginia in time to become residents this early? Should I look for their arrival in Pennsylvania rather than in Virginia?) (Comment: I did find one misspelling in the Stafford books, but the handwriting may be hard to figure out: Kincheloe, Daniel (They intermarried with some of the Simpsons of later Fairfax Co.) is indexed as Kendloe. E.W.Wallace

Taufen-baptisms Tote-deaths Heiraten-marriages Suzanne Collins Matson --- On Sat, 9/10/11, gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > From: gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> > Subject: [GERMANNA] Microfilms > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com, germans-va@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 10:12 PM > Can someone clue me in on the what > these words mean - TAUFEN, TOTE, and HEIRATEN > > OBERÖWISHEIM: Taufen 1726-1805, 1784-1800 - FHL INTL Film > [ 1192078 Items 7-8 ] > Tote 1799-1805 -- Taufen 1806-1836 -- Heiraten 1806-1850 -- > Tote 1806-1961, 1941-1949 -- > Heiraten 1954-1962 -- Taufen 1959-1961, 1836-1868 -- > Heiraten 1851-1865 - FHL INTL Film > [ 1192079 ] > > Going to try to track down any of Albrecht's family who > stayed in that area, on my next trip to SLC > > Take care, Marilyn > > > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

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Marilyn, no, I don't know if the Schlundt's were indeed from Austria or if they always had been in the Franconian region, just wondered. So many in the region were displaced from Austria. It was just a question I threw out. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 9:07 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Oh Elke, I wish I knew. All I know is that he first shows up in Neuenburg church records in 1685 apparently having been born and married elsewhere. Where in Austria did the Schlundt family originate. The Blankenbakers were from Austria -- the Blankenbakers and the Thoma family were closely connected in Germany -- along with the Scheibles. I am also wondering if the children of Albrecht who remained in Germany -- left the Neuenburg area--need to find the latest dates for them in the Church books which apparently go to 1900. Thanks for the heads up on this locality question. Take care. Marilyn Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh Elke, I wish I knew. All I know is that he first shows up in Neuenburg church records in 1685 apparently having been born and married elsewhere. Where in Austria did the Schlundt family originate. The Blankenbakers were from Austria -- the Blankenbakers and the Thoma family were closely connected in Germany -- along with the Scheibles. I am also wondering if the children of Albrecht who remained in Germany -- left the Neuenburg area--need to find the latest dates for them in the Church books which apparently go to 1900. Thanks for the heads up on this locality question. Take care. Marilyn Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke

I personally did not know of any, but there is a good discussion of those Germanna people who fought in the "Second War of Independence" on the Germanna Foundation's Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/GermannaFoundation

Just now the list received two emails from HFTUSMA with no subject lines and just a link - don't click the link! Looks suspiciously like some kind of virus, and I've already reported it to Rootsweb security.

Does this cover all the bases? Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct malelines represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that theJohn Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and the Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY arethe brothers, Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginiawho obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the 2ndGermanna Colony. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As ofAugust 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group. 1 JohannesTHOMA 1685 - 1721 . +AnnaMaria Blankenbühler 1687 - 1762 ... 2 Hans(John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas 1712 - 1785 ....... +Mary ........ 3 MichaelThomas 1755 - 1817 ... *2nd Wifeof Hans (John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas: ....... +Sarah ........ 3 JesseThomas 1760 - 1844 ........ 3 WilliamM.Thomas 1763 - 1835 ... 2 MichaelTHOMAS 1718 - 1800 ....... +Catherine/PossiblyWayland - 1759 ........ 3 HenryThomas 1738 - 1817 ........ 3 MichaelThomas, 1750 - 1840 ........ 3 AbrahamTHOMAS 1755 - 1843 -----Original Message----- From: Marc Wheat <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 4:58 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA Please add E1b1b1c1a to the data and when the test was taken. I have cc'd Corlee Morris, who coordinates the Germanna DNA Project, to ask if she has other suggestions for what to include.

Marilyn, I am wondering why Thoma chose to get his wife from so far away, in Aurach. It's quite a distance from the Kraichgau. He had to have known the family somehow. Did they originally come from a common area (like Austria)? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:51 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Thanks Elke, do you have a source for this date of birth by any chance and/or a citation. You are such a wonderful help. Thank you, Marilyn x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, the source for this information was Mr. Hans Rieber, the local historian, who wrote a booklet about the families of Gross-Aurach and lives there today. He was given access to the Catholic church records by the church in Aurach (Sankt Petrus und Paulus) to compile the data. The church was mentioned first in official records in the year 1301. Mr. Rieber sent me excerpts from the booklet for my own family, he hopes the booklet can be reprinted, it is out of print right now. I am thinking about posting an ad in the local paper to see if anyone may want to part with their copy. His address: Am Gwend 13,91589 Aurach. He did not find the name of Hans (=Johann) Schlundt's first wife. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:51 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources Thanks Elke, do you have a source for this date of birth by any chance and/or a citation. You are such a wonderful help. Thank you, Marilyn x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message