R. M. Snyder, the millionaire industrialist, as he was referred to in business circles and in numerous newspaper articles was killed at age 54 in 1906 in one of the first motor car accidents in Kansas City, Missouri. The chauffer driving his Royal Tourist automobile swerved to avoid a child and lost control of the car in the newly oiled street and Robert’s head was crushed against a trolley pole. When he died a press release stated that “he did more for the residents of Kansas City than any man who ever lived there”. There was good reason for that statement since among other of his accomplishments was the piping of cheap natural gas for public consumption into Kansas City and many surrounding towns. In his drilling efforts in Kansas and Indian Territory (Oklahoma) he hit several wells among them the largest well ever found at that time, the Schoenberg. He built a million dollar gas works in Kansas City that was hailed as a boon to the city. He began as a bookkeeper and grocer and with his business talents ended life as a multi-millionaire. He was a founder of the Kansas City Life Insurance Company, the Mechanics Bank and the City National Bank in Kansas City and arranged real estate deals for the post office and bond issues for Kansas City in the 1880’s and 1890’s. He was a devoted son and generous brother to his seven siblings and to his in-laws and cousins. He employed many of his relatives in his numerous business ventures. He belonged to various civic and social clubs both in Kansas City and on the east coast and was a charitable man who was popular with his business colleagues and a wide circle of friends. On the occasion of his remarriage in Boston in 1901, the President of the United States sent a congratulatory telegram. He owned ranches and had investments nationwide and traveled in his own railroad car. His life was not without its low points. He was a widower twice and his only daughter died in infancy. He was accused and convicted of bribing an official in St Louis (a common requirement of doing business there at that time) and one of his four sons, Cary, was convicted of criminal activity and murdered in 1905 and his skeletal remains were found only a few weeks before Robert was killed. He was an avid sportsman and enjoyed hunting and fishing and, as a result, in 1903 he purchased 5,400 acres of an unspoiled wilderness with caves, a waterfall and a lake in the Missouri Ozarks that he intended to be for his retirement and the enjoyment of his family and friends. The natives called the area Ha Ha Tonka. He imported 40 stonemasons from Scotland and employed hundreds of local subsistence farmers as workers to build on a bluff on his Ozark property a splendid castle like those he had admired on his European travels. When he was killed, his family completed the unfinished castle and estate although in a less magnificent fashion than Robert had planned. Part of the property was later the object of a very expensive and long lasting lawsuit when it was condemned for Bagnell Dam and flooded by the resulting Lake of the Ozarks. Ha Ha Tonka castle burned in 1942 and the imposing shell of it remains in Ha Ha Tonka Missouri State Park. There are several references to it on the internet. It is said to be haunted. If so, I hope it is my father’s Uncle Robert enjoying his castle.

Added two grandchildren for Hans Thoma (William Thomas line) and 3 land patents for Ezekiel Thomas, son of Hans Take care. Marilyn

Me too please. George, you are again providing a great service by adding your tree to the jungle of Ancestry trees and allowing rank amateurs to edit it. Tom Bowen, indianabowen@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, N Rector <nhrector@yahoo.com> wrote: > And me as well? nhrector@yahoo.com > > > NHR > > From: "barberrey@comcast.net" <barberrey@comcast.net> > To: Germanna Bounces <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com > > George, > > > Please invite me to the Ancestry site. > > > Barbara Berrey Stotler barberrey@comcast.net > > > > > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And me as well?       nhrector@yahoo.com NHR From: "barberrey@comcast.net" <barberrey@comcast.net> To: Germanna Bounces <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com George, Please invite me to the Ancestry site.  Barbara Berrey Stotler                      barberrey@comcast.net   TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I changed the wording to this -- does it cover all of my bases? Take care. Marilyn Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct male lines represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that John Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY are the same individuals Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginia who obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the 2nd Germanna Colony. A solid paper trail for Michael Thomas exists from Virginia to Pennsylvania to Kentucky. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As of August 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group.

I"ll try another tack -- how about no mention of them being brothers Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct male lines represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that John Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY are the same individuals as Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginia who obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the 2ndGermanna Colony. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As ofAugust 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Wheat <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA The DNA evidence is helpful, but should be part of a mosaic of evidence On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Tom Bowen <indianabowen@gmail.com> wrote: I agree that the DNA results should be added, but I do not agree with the conclusion that it proves that John and Michael are brothers. I believe that it does prove that they are closely related, but other best evidence available must also be used to conclude that they are brothers. Tom Bowen On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:51 AM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: Does this cover all the bases? Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct malelines represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that theJohn Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and the Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY arethe brothers, Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginiawho obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the 2ndGermanna Colony. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As ofAugust 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group. 1 JohannesTHOMA 1685 - 1721 . +AnnaMaria Blankenbühler 1687 - 1762 ... 2 Hans(John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas 1712 - 1785 ....... +Mary ........ 3 MichaelThomas 1755 - 1817 ... *2nd Wifeof Hans (John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas: ....... +Sarah ........ 3 JesseThomas 1760 - 1844 ........ 3 WilliamM.Thomas 1763 - 1835 ... 2 MichaelTHOMAS 1718 - 1800 ....... +Catherine/PossiblyWayland - 1759 ........ 3 HenryThomas 1738 - 1817 ........ 3 MichaelThomas, 1750 - 1840 ........ 3 AbrahamTHOMAS 1755 - 1843 -----Original Message----- From: Marc Wheat <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 4:58 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA Please add E1b1b1c1a to the data and when the test was taken. I have cc'd Corlee Morris, who coordinates the Germanna DNA Project, to ask if she has other suggestions for what to include. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmmmmmmm, I was trying to convey the idea that the DNA proved that these were the same people who were in Culpeper Co., VA and who got the land patent in 1726. I thought the ideas that they were brothers was covered in the will of Michael Kaifer. Must be a semantics issue. Right idea -- worded incorrectly -- open for misinterpretation Anyone got any suggestions for stating what I am trying to convey. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Tom Bowen <indianabowen@gmail.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA I agree that the DNA results should be added, but I do not agree with the conclusion that it proves that John and Michael are brothers. I believe that it does prove that they are closely related, but other best evidence available must also be used to conclude that they are brothers. Tom Bowen On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:51 AM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > > Does this cover all the bases? > > > Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct malelines > represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that theJohn > Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and the Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY arethe > brothers, Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginiawho > obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the > 2ndGermanna Colony. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As > ofAugust 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group. > > > 1 JohannesTHOMA 1685 - 1721 > . +AnnaMaria Blankenbühler 1687 - 1762 > ... 2 Hans(John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas 1712 - 1785 > ....... +Mary > ........ 3 MichaelThomas 1755 - 1817 > ... *2nd Wifeof Hans (John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas: > ....... +Sarah > ........ 3 JesseThomas 1760 - 1844 > ........ 3 WilliamM.Thomas 1763 - 1835 > ... 2 MichaelTHOMAS 1718 - 1800 > ....... +Catherine/PossiblyWayland - 1759 > ........ 3 HenryThomas 1738 - 1817 > ........ 3 MichaelThomas, 1750 - 1840 > ........ 3 AbrahamTHOMAS 1755 - 1843 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Wheat <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> > To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 4:58 am > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA > > > Please add E1b1b1c1a to the data and when the test was taken. I have cc'd > Corlee Morris, who coordinates the Germanna DNA Project, to ask if she has > other > suggestions for what to include. > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree that the DNA results should be added, but I do not agree with the conclusion that it proves that John and Michael are brothers. I believe that it does prove that they are closely related, but other best evidence available must also be used to conclude that they are brothers. Tom Bowen On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:51 AM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > > Does this cover all the bases? > > > Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct malelines > represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that theJohn > Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and the Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY arethe > brothers, Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginiawho > obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the > 2ndGermanna Colony. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As > ofAugust 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group. > > > 1 JohannesTHOMA 1685 - 1721 > . +AnnaMaria Blankenbühler 1687 - 1762 > ... 2 Hans(John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas 1712 - 1785 > ....... +Mary > ........ 3 MichaelThomas 1755 - 1817 > ... *2nd Wifeof Hans (John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas: > ....... +Sarah > ........ 3 JesseThomas 1760 - 1844 > ........ 3 WilliamM.Thomas 1763 - 1835 > ... 2 MichaelTHOMAS 1718 - 1800 > ....... +Catherine/PossiblyWayland - 1759 > ........ 3 HenryThomas 1738 - 1817 > ........ 3 MichaelThomas, 1750 - 1840 > ........ 3 AbrahamTHOMAS 1755 - 1843 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Wheat <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> > To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 4:58 am > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA > > > Please add E1b1b1c1a to the data and when the test was taken. I have cc'd > Corlee Morris, who coordinates the Germanna DNA Project, to ask if she has > other > suggestions for what to include. > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All articles from the Temple Daily Telegram are published with the permission of the Temple Daily Telegram. All credit for this article goes to Jeanne Williams and the Temple Daily Telegram Courtesy of James H. Holtzclaw James H. Holtzclaw's Civil War escapade won him notoriety in Texas History 6 Attached Images From a Farm to a Place in History by Jeanne Williams - Temple Daily Telegram February 14, 2011 SAN GABRIEL — The life of Milam County farmer James H. Holtzcla embraced many of the history making stages of Texas, according to “The 1893 History of Texas, together with a Biographical History of Milam, Williamson, Bastrop, Travis, Lee and Burleson Counties.” As a Texan in the early 1800s, Holtzclaw served under several governments, saw three wars of national consequences, “as well as numerous Indian forays and expeditions, the expulsion of the red man, the era of railway development, urban development, internal improvement and all the wonders wrought by steam and electricity, brains, energy and money.” Holtzclaw, a respected Milam County farmer, served in local offices and was a volunteer in the Confederate Army from 1862 to the end of the war serving with Co. B, 35th (Brown’s) Regiment, Texas Cavalry. Adventures and exploits aside, Holtzclaw is best remembered in Texas history for his furtiveness and daring as the ex-Confederate soldier who boldly snatched ornaments off a regimental flag planted in plain sight of a Union Army camp on the San Gabriel River in Milam County. After the surrender of the Trans-Mississippi Department in May 1865, Union forces entered Texas as part of the army of occupation. One regiment, the 18th New York Cavalry, passed through Milam County in late July on its way to San Antonio. The regiment halted for refreshments at the San Gabriel River on July 23. On that day, a number of former Confederate soldiers from Milam County were paroled by Capt. Fenton Rockwell, one of the regiment’s officers. This temporary military encampment along the San Gabriel River was near Holtzclaw’s farm. Holtzclaw, happening to pass that way at the time, “noticed their colors, a splendid flag said to have been presented to them by the ladies of the town in New York where the regiment was raised” standing in the bed of the river at some distance, unprotected, but in full view of the camp. “Slipping down unseen to where the flag stood, he hurriedly took off the large silver spear head and cord, and made away with them, leaving the staff and flag,” accounts stated. As soon as the loss was discovered, there was consternation in the camp. An immediate search was instituted. Several residents were detained and threatened with severe punishment. Among those arrested was a tenant of Holtzclaw’s farm, Alexander Phillips, who was treated by Union soldiers with “considerable indignity.” Learning that his neighbors were suffering unjustly and that the search was liable to develop into a sort of persecution, Holtzclaw decided to make “a clean breast of it” and face the consequences. Holtzclaw visited the camp requesting to see the commanding officer. The colonel asked what Holtzclaw “meant by such conduct, and in the same breath desired to know if he was fully aware of the nature of the offense he had committed.” Holtzclaw said after four years in the Confederate Army he knew the rules of war. “Looking the officer steadily in the eye, he said, ‘Colonel, when a flag is left unprotected, isn’t it the property of the enemy, provided the enemy can get it?’” The officer winced a little, but replied that it was not supposed there was an enemy in the vicinity. Holtzclaw answered if there was not there would not be much need for soldiers to be around. The officer then asked him what he intended to do with the things he had taken. Holtzclaw said his intention was to make the finest bridle in Texas out of the rope and decorate it becomingly with the silver spearhead. Holtzclaw was released without penalty, and handed over the spearhead and cord to a soldier who was sent after them, and no more was heard of the matter. Curiously, Union Army records do not mention the incident, but Holtzclaw was considered a hero in his neighborhood. According to accounts, Holtzclaw was born at Andrew Jackson’s Nashville, Tenn., estate The Hermitage on March 20, 1833, where his father, Warner Bernard Holtzclaw, worked as an overseer. The family moved to Washington, Texas, in 1836 to become hotel keepers. At age 14, after James Holtzclaw’s parents died, he was bound to William Rutledge of Washington County to learn the blacksmith trade, but he ran away to search for gold. The unsuccessful treasure hunt dissolved in 1852, with Holtzclaw stopping in El Paso before moving to Washington County and relocating to Milam County in 1855. He married Elizabeth T. Sanford in 1857, and settled on land between the San Gabriel and Little rivers. Holtzclaw’s farm eventually spread over 2,300 acres. The couple had three children, John E. Holtzclaw, Martha R. Holtzclaw Davis and James Holtzclaw. Though he was born on an estate that became a national landmark, James Holtzclaw is buried in an isolated, weed-choked and damaged family graveyard off FM 487 in Milam County. The Holtzclaw Cemetery — with 20 identified burial sites, including Holtzclaw’s wife, Elizabeth; their son James, and daughter-in-law Melia Lizzie — is the only relic from the vast family holdings that originated with a land grant, reported Norrine Holder Holman, who wrote the book “170 Years of Cemetery Records in Milam County.” jwilliams@tdtnews.com All articles from the Temple Daily Telegram are published with the permission of the Temple Daily Telegram. All credit for this article goes to Jeanne Williams and the Temple Daily Telegram Courtesy of James H. Holtzclaw James H. Holtzclaw's Civil War escapade won him notoriety in Texas History 6 Attached Image

The DNA evidence is helpful, but should be part of a mosaic of evidence On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Tom Bowen <indianabowen@gmail.com> wrote: I agree that the DNA results should be added, but I do not agree with the conclusion that it proves that John and Michael are brothers. I believe that it does prove that they are closely related, but other best evidence available must also be used to conclude that they are brothers. Tom Bowen On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:51 AM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: Does this cover all the bases? Y- DNA tests done at www.familytreedna.com from direct malelines represented here, and included in this family file, confirms that theJohn Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and the Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY arethe brothers, Hans Thoma born in Germany and Michael Thomas born in Virginiawho obtained the original land patent in 1726 Spotsylvania Co., VA among the 2ndGermanna Colony. The Haplogroup for this Thomas family is E1b1b1c1a. As ofAugust 2011, there have been 14 lines tested within this Thomas group. 1 JohannesTHOMA 1685 - 1721 . +AnnaMaria Blankenbühler 1687 - 1762 ... 2 Hans(John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas 1712 - 1785 ....... +Mary ........ 3 MichaelThomas 1755 - 1817 ... *2nd Wifeof Hans (John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas: ....... +Sarah ........ 3 JesseThomas 1760 - 1844 ........ 3 WilliamM.Thomas 1763 - 1835 ... 2 MichaelTHOMAS 1718 - 1800 ....... +Catherine/PossiblyWayland - 1759 ........ 3 HenryThomas 1738 - 1817 ........ 3 MichaelThomas, 1750 - 1840 ........ 3 AbrahamTHOMAS 1755 - 1843 -----Original Message----- From: Marc Wheat <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 4:58 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA Please add E1b1b1c1a to the data and when the test was taken. I have cc'd Corlee Morris, who coordinates the Germanna DNA Project, to ask if she has other suggestions for what to include. TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Combined Eve Marie Garr (Gaar) and John Wesley Wayman on database. Both were already listed but now they are shown as married. I added two sons - Pleasant and John Wesley, Jr Sandy Cowan

Added Michael Thomas, son of Abraham Added the War of 1812 record to Michael Thomas, son of Abraham Added article from Crawfordsville, IN on the descendants of Abraham Thomas Added a typed transcript of a lawsuit in Miami Co., OH naming the heirs of Michael Thomas, son of Abraham Added photocopy of original land patent Miami Co., OH for Michael Thomas, son of Abraham

Suzee, you were correct. Tom Bowen posted here and gave the data for the correct James SNYDER who married Frances CARPENTER. I have attempted to correct the data on the Tree at Ancestry. Take a look and let me know what you think. Sarge At 9/12/2011 12:45 AM Monday, Suzee Oberg wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >George and all, > I have a big problem with what is on the Germanna database regarding James SNYDER, son of Michael and Martha (STIGLER) SNYDER. I do not believe that James SNYDER could have married Frances Carpenter in 1833 and had child, Asa, in 1836 as is shown. > >Don't know where this marriage got tangled in the SNYDER tree. There were probably several James Snyders in Madison that could have been aparty to this marriage. In fact there is one in the 1830 Madison census but according to everything I have found through MO census records this James and wife Sarah (Sallie) AYLOR left Va between 1819 and 1825 for MO where the other 8 of their 11 children were born beginning in 1820. One of whom, James Absalom SNYDER, was born in MO on 10 May 1830 so how would his father be living in Madison, VA in 1830 for the census? Must be a different James SNYDER! Aaron FRAY and Lucy (SNYDER) FRAY are living in Prairie Township, Howard, Mo along with her brother, James and wife,Sarah, and their family in the 1840 census. Also, they were either fudging on their ages or their birth dates are different.1796 and 1795 respectively on later census records. James and Sarah (AYLOR) SNYDER(sometimes spelled SNIDER) are > still married in the 1850 census records with same children including ASA, as their youngest born in Mo. Sarah is shown with son, Benjamim F., in the 1860 census in August of that year and she didn't die until after 1860. (So she was not dead in 1832 as those who put in this other marriage have made her to allow for it.) Asa is living with his cousins, the Thomas FRAYS (Thomas was the son of Lucy SNYDER and Aaron FRAY) in that same 1860 census in September as a worker. They all still lived in Prairie Township, Howard, MO. Not a large area. > > I think that this conflict came from the Germanna Record No 11, Carpenter Genealogy which shows this Snyder-Carpenter marriage and quotes the "unpublished Yowell manuscript on the SNYDER family genealogy" BUT the Germanna Record book no 12 has the Yowell published SNYDER manuscript with no mention of this marriage and showing youngest son, Asa, as the child of Sarah and James which is correct.. Since the census records clearly show that James and Sarah were together with their children in 1850 and I do not think that James was a bigamist and went back to VA and married Frances while wife Sarah was back in Mo. Sarah is clearly Asa's mother. . . Frances CARPENTER was never this James' wife. I have traced the children in this family and can find none for Asa although he did marry according to his CW registration.. He did register for the Civil War. He always gives his birth state as MO. > >The people who attribute Asa to a marriage between James and Frances always give the marriage as happening in VA and Asa as having the birth state of VA so that should be another clue that this is wrong. > >There are conflicting trees on the net with both marriages and this garbled information will likely comtinue forever but I believe mine to be correct. All the people who have put this marriage in their trees have no descendants for Asa so I guess it wouldn't matter to them if they are wrong. I had the great good fortune to begin my SNYDER tree in the 1990's with a genealogy done by cousin Jim", James Wilhite JONES, in 1911 in Kansas City.(Hard to believe that it was 100 years ago when he did that) I have a copy of the handwritten sheets. He was born in 1854 in KY, was the son of Martha SNYDER, daughter of John SNYDER b.1898 in Madison and as a small child lived in the home of his grandmother, Malevia (YAGER) SNYDER, widow of John SNYDER, son of Michael. This family kept in close contact with one another and another retired SNYDER cousin in the Kansas City area did a more thorough genealogy in 1973 based on the 1911 one and made many phone > calls and wrote many letters to descendants all over the U. S.including the Howard County SNYDERS and had a long visit with the then secretary at the Hebron Church. I won't say that what I have is perfect but I have had a wonderful head start on the SNYDER descendants from Michael on down and the advantage of the internet and census records, etc to tweak it. > >I will leave it to you to either get rid of the Frances CARPENTER marriage or leave it as an alternative.(EVEN THOUGH IT IS WRONG) I will be adding Asa to his real mother Sarah (AYLOR) SNYDER with a birthplace of Missouri unless someone comes up with another answer and can prove me wrong. >Suzee SoldanEls Oberg >******** >Hear Steve Hoffman of Madison County October 1, 2011 at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison, VA speak on What's in the Attic at Hebron Lutheran Church. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Accoring to what I see in the SNYDER genealogy, the Susanna SNIDER of whom you speak was descended from Adam, my Michael's brother. I'm not surprised that you didn't find anything about the business in Virginia since the SNYDER'S distilling business was in Kentucky not Virginia. There may have been one in VA but I know nothing about it. Google "Snyder's Old Rye Whiskey" and you will get part of the story. It was my ancestor, John b.1898 in VA and his younger brother, William, both sons of Michael and Martha (STIGLER) SNYDER who were in this business and John was klilled in an accident at the mill in Milton, KY in 1844 so his sons continued on. The YAGER involvement would only be that Malevia YAGER was the wife and mother in this family. I know of no other YAGERS in the business but there may have been some. John's brother William was the one who built it into the biggest distillery in Kentucky but the war in 1861 and a fire finished William off financially. John's sons and several SNYDER relatives made it fairly big in the business. Our cousin who is a lineal descendant of William's is writing a book about it. As to where the family scattered to, I only have the first generation after Philemon. It appears that they went all over. Maybe the Illinois branch was involved with the business in Peoria. Sorry..that's all I know. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:07 PM, redscorsair <redscorsair@peoplepc.com>wrote: > > Good Evening Suzee, > My g,g,g,g, great grandmother, was Susanna Snyder, she was born in, > 1789, in > Culpeper, Viraginia. She marry my, g,g,g,g, grandfather, Philemon Yager > on July > 31, 1807. She was his second wife, and they had five children, all born > in > Rockingham County. Sometime in the in the early, the left Virginia, and > travel > to west. I was hoping, that you, my have any information, on them, after > they > left Virginia. I am also hoping, that you, may be able to, give me some > information on, the Snyder-Yager Distilling business. No one else, knows > any > thing at all, about this distilling business in Virginia, So I am hoping, > that > you, may be able, to help me. > Yours truly, > Ray Groves > redscorsair@peoplepc.com > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > >

If you want to see other databases that have information on the same person, you can click "Ancestry Hints" over on the right side. That will bring you to the "Ancestry Hints" window. Under the person's name, you will see "We found hints with potential matches from X public Member Trees. Then click on "Hints". In the right of the new window, you'll see the person's data in the Germanna Tree. On the left you will see all of the databases that also have the person in them. Backing up, in the window for the person's data, on the right bottom, you will see "Recent Connect Activity". Then you'll see not only other database containing that person, you'll also Census data that hasn't been added to the person, but can be added by clicking. I just experimented with a James "Jim" BROYLES. Clicked on "History" in "Ancestry Hints" and found Census data for 1900, 1910, and 1920. By clicking the correct places, I added that data to James. Very, very easy; however, it didn't also add the Census data to James' wife, Margaret PRESNELL. But that is easily fixed. In James' data, the Census data was entered as "Residence". In the line "Residence", 1900, I clicked on "1 Source Citation";' then "1900 United States Federal Census"; the next window tells me I have attached the 1900 Census to James "Jim" BROYLES and Margaret May PRESNELL, but when Margaret's page is opened there is no "Residence" entry for her. So, even though that window "says" it was already attached to Margaret, I had to go back to the 1900 "Residence" for James click to the Census data, and click add to another person. Unfortunately, when entering "Residence" (Census) data for a husband, it does NOT automatically add that data to the wife. Something else I found out is that when adding Records to a person, there's a place to add to another Ancestry tree if you have one! Folks, if you keep going off to the side issues, "Hints", "Historical Records", etc., and following up on all the listed sources, you are in for a long, long time of adding! I will have to give Ancestry an "attaboy" for the programming that searches out other sources at Ancestry and shows them. For example, instead of having to go to the Census Records at Ancestry and searching for James BROYLES, b.1835 in Washington Co., TN, Census data is available by clicking in the correct places. I'm not sure if you understand what I just said, so, example. I had already put in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 Census data for James "Jim" BROYLES. in the line for "Residence" 1900 (or any of the "Residence" lines), I clicked "1 Source Citation", then "1900 United States Federal Census". That pulled up the data I had already entered, BUT, over on the right side, there was Census data for 1850, 1860, 1870, and 1800! By clicking, I was able to add this Census data to James and Margaret. I can tell you that if you use the "Shared" database features and click on all the available sources, you will be a long, long time adding data. The more you add, the more hints, links, and history appear for person. PLEASE, don't start willy-nilly adding data until you are TOTALLY familiar with adding/editing/deleting data in the Tree. Just go to a person in your line and click around to see what is available as sources. You can see these sources without adding them to a person -- just look and explore the opportunities. I'm going to start working on a page for the Germanna Families website that I manage, a page that will include all the hints/tips/instructions I've posted so far to these Lists. I'm just so sorry that Ancestry didn't see fit to include Help for navigating through all the steps for adding/deleting/editing a person/family. If you click on Help while looking at a person, and type in something like "Adding Sources", you'll get hundreds of "hits", over 95% of them dealing with Family Tree Maker (the genealogy program owned by Ancestry/MyFamily). Don't expect to find out much from Ancestry Help. Sarge My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Is anyone else as aggravated as I am when entering Notes or Comments? I type in the data, hitting "Enter" twice to make a new paragraph and the danged programming runs the paragraphs all together in one long, continuous paragraph. Has anyone had any luck betting the Editing utility to accept anything other than the way it is set? Sarge My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

I have War of 1812 service record for Michael Thomas, son of Abraham # 784 Private, Capt Israel Warners' Company of Infantry, 2 Regiment (Cotgreave's) Ohio Militia Company payroll March to Sept 1814 - pay per month $8 Total $48 for 6 months of service Card numbers 37752725 and 37752761 Take care, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Suzee Oberg <suzeeoberg@gmail.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] War of 1812 with Germanna WILHOIT connection FYI: I happened onto a book on Heritage Quest while searching for something else. *Portrait and biographical record of Lafayette and Saline Counties, Missouri : containing biographical sketches of prominent and representative citizens, together with biographies and portraits of all the presidents of the United States.* Chicago: Chapman Bros., 1893, 648 pgs. In it on pages 428 and 429 there is a biography of a William M. WILHITE where it states that his father, James (who married Charity HAYES) was in the War of 1812 "through which he served". James b.1796 was the son of Rueben WILHITE and Mary YAGER both of whom had several Germanna ancestors. I did print the pages and can send them as an attachment to whomever would like to have them if they cannot acquire them through Heritage Quest. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Marc Wheat <germanna1714@yahoo.com> wrote: > I personally did not know of any, but there is a good discussion of those > Germanna people who fought in the "Second War of Independence" on > > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarge I would like to have an invite to be a Germana editor (although I have seen the warnings about make changes over the last sever days). I am an ancestry member and my user name is billt502. Thanks Bill Bill Dr. William (Bill) Thomas COL (R) USA Food and Agriculture Defense Specialist UGA CAES SAADRA Representative to FASGCC Upward League Director - Beech Haven Baptist 205 Tara Way Athens GA 30606 (C) 706 714 5554 Have a Blessed Day In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:00:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GermannaResearch@comcast.net writes: Hello Harriet, The "invite" is an invitation to a Germana Colonies database I posted at Ancestry.com. I agreed to "share" it with people whom I invited. If I invite you, you will receive an email from Ancestry with my email address in the From: header. You go down in the message and click to log on and establish a Guest Account at Ancestry. As a Guest, and as an "invitee" to the Germanna Tree, you can view the tree, make additions, changes, etc., to the Tree. Now, I don't know to "which" database at Ancestry you refer. There are many databases there that contain data on the Germanna HOFFMAN/ HUFFMAN line. I don't know anything about your HOFFMAN line, so I can't comment on any incorrect data. In the database I posted, there are only two HOFFMAN men named Michael: Michael HUFFMAN/ HOFFMAN, married to Mary FLEISCHMANN/FLESHMAN; and Michael Lighter HUFFMAN, married to Mildred Elinor CLORE. The Michael married to Mary FLESHMAN is the only Michael in the database with descendants who I have as married. Michael and Mary had at least one daughter, Hannah, who married Jacob FISHBACK, according to the data I have. Without any details about the problem, it is impossible to know to what you refer. What would have helped was if you had given some information on your HOFFMAN line. Then we could look at it and see what is wrong, and in whose databases it is wrong. So, let us know the details and maybe we can straighten out what you see as a problem. If you would like an "invite" to the Germanna Tree at Ancestry, let me know. Also, let me know how familiar you are in editing/adding data in a database on the Internet. Sarge, George W. Durman At 9/6/2011 09:05 PM Tuesday, HMToothman@wmconnect.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I sure have missed what seems like very important info. I have no idea >what the "invite" is all about. Would you take the time to tell me? > Another topic, Ancestry has added info to my "Hoffman" family tree but it >is incorrect. I have no idea where they got the info and I sure don't know >how to correct it. They have my Hoffman faimy coming from a "Michael >Hoffman". I have never seen anything about a Michael on my family tree. I don't >add it to my family info when I copy it for friends and family. It really >made me mad that somehow it got attached to my family. >Harriet HOFFMAN Toothman >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI: I happened onto a book on Heritage Quest while searching for something else. *Portrait and biographical record of Lafayette and Saline Counties, Missouri : containing biographical sketches of prominent and representative citizens, together with biographies and portraits of all the presidents of the United States.* Chicago: Chapman Bros., 1893, 648 pgs. In it on pages 428 and 429 there is a biography of a William M. WILHITE where it states that his father, James (who married Charity HAYES) was in the War of 1812 "through which he served". James b.1796 was the son of Rueben WILHITE and Mary YAGER both of whom had several Germanna ancestors. I did print the pages and can send them as an attachment to whomever would like to have them if they cannot acquire them through Heritage Quest. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Marc Wheat <germanna1714@yahoo.com> wrote: > I personally did not know of any, but there is a good discussion of those > Germanna people who fought in the "Second War of Independence" on > >

Thanks Debby, but I must be dense today. In the Shared Germanna Tree at Ancestry, I can't find anywhere a place for "Name index options". Could you tell us how to get there? Thanks, Sarge At 9/12/2011 06:16 AM Monday, mseagle246@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Hi Everyone, I've been using Ancestry.com for years and you're right, there is no special field for nicknames. Here are their instructions for handling this. > >Debby > >Note: Name index options. > >Use AKA if available as a middle name: If an alias is included in quotes after the middle name, both the given name and AKA (Also Known As) are listed in the Index. >Use AKA if available as an additional entry: If an alias or nickname has been entered for an individual, both the given name and AKA are listed in the Index. >Use titles if available: If a name includes a title, both the given name and title with name are listed in the Index. >Use married names for females: Lists married females by their married name instead of the maiden name. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> >To: Germanna_Colonies <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com>; Germans-VA <Germans-VA@rootsweb.com>; BRILES <BRILES@rootsweb.com>; BROYLES <BROYLES@rootsweb.com>; WILHITE <WILHITE@rootsweb.com>; WILHOIT <WILHOIT@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 12:50 am >Subject: [GERMANNA] Nicknames in the Germanna Tree at Ancestry > > > >I just discovered that the nicknames I had for all the people in >the database I uploaded did NOT get transferred! In fact, there >is no place when manually entering a person to show his/her >nickname! You can't even use a "Custom event" because it >requires a date, place, event, and no place for just a name. > >So, when you add someone, and he/she has a nickname, please >add it to the given name and put it in quotes, e.g., James "Jim" >BROYLES. > >To kind of paraphrase what Sir Winston Churchill said about >democracy, "The shared database feature of Ancestry isn't >perfect, but it's the best we've got." > >Sarge > > >My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: >http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna > >My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: >http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html > >You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > >You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html