Thank you, I am working on my research list for SLC. I have my microfilms from Neuenburg, Spottsyyvania (culpeper and all) for VA, moving along to the PA/VA land issues and can now add to KY. My week of research is getting pretty full <smile> Take care. Marilyn Possible resource: Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love compiled and published some years ago a three volume set called The 1787 Census of Virginia. They used the 1787 Personal Property Tax Lists of Virginia, which at that time included what was to become Kentucky

I know nothing about any of this. Will check into it. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:39 AM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > > Pence and Snyder -- questions about both > > I think I saw a note a couple of days ago about Snyders going to Redstone > > We know that Hupps, Michael Thomas,Baumgardner, Adam Smith, Debolt, > Christler, and now Snyder all went to Pa in 1768 or earlier. Who else from > Culpeper. The Thomas, Hupp, Smith, Debolt and Christler all have a Thomas > connection. Who else journeyed to this new area of Virginia -- later to be > part of Pennsylvania? > > Pence family -- if anyone is following all of them. I have Pence lines in > Champaign/Clark Co., OH (Wesley pre 1850), Sarah Jane 1833 Ohio (no parents) > and one line from Samuel PEnce born 1820 Mifflin Co., PA -- line to OH and > Noble Co., IN > > Take care. Marilyn > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pence and Snyder -- questions about both I think I saw a note a couple of days ago about Snyders going to Redstone We know that Hupps, Michael Thomas,Baumgardner, Adam Smith, Debolt, Christler, and now Snyder all went to Pa in 1768 or earlier. Who else from Culpeper. The Thomas, Hupp, Smith, Debolt and Christler all have a Thomas connection. Who else journeyed to this new area of Virginia -- later to be part of Pennsylvania? Pence family -- if anyone is following all of them. I have Pence lines in Champaign/Clark Co., OH (Wesley pre 1850), Sarah Jane 1833 Ohio (no parents) and one line from Samuel PEnce born 1820 Mifflin Co., PA -- line to OH and Noble Co., IN Take care. Marilyn

Sarge, Agreed, Same goes for your five trailers here. They get repeated with everything--and if you don't snip them, then repeated twice, and so on. As a list administrator myself, I try to remind users of this. But, I may as well be talking to the wall. Imposing byte limits on posts just creates more work for me because then they bounce to me and I have to review them, and it's just easier to pass them through and have people use up more byte space complaining about it. Call me defeated on this one. I give up. This is nothing new. As an illustration, I'm responding to your entire post just to show how it goes. Loving the ancestry.com site you put up. That was a bold move, but a good one. I haven't been that active on it lately, but just knowing it's there is a good feeling. And no, I have still not mastered it but I am sticking to things I REALLY now for sure and trying to tread slowly as I go along. I really appreciate the helpful hints you and others are sending to us. I still have not learned out how to "disconnect" marriages and children. A main thing to always do is check if a person or a source is already there. I, personally, do not need every "location" to give me the genealogy of the particular county. I use the county where the event occurred at the time that county was which. I find the location source of say, "Madison, 1793; Culpeper 1749; Orange.....etc" very annoying. So, for things I've worked on, I've just changed it to the county where the record is filed. We don't all need nursemaiding. That being said, if I see something like "married in Madison County in 1750....uh, no they weren't as that county did not exist then. I'd like to hear others thoughts on this, as I suppose we should all try to be consistent with one another. Craig On Sep 19, 2011, at 1:34 AM, George W. Durman wrote: > > Folks, if you receive List posts in the Digest Mode, PLEASE snip out everything except the specific part to which you are replying. > > DO NOT include all of the Digest in your replies! AND, change the subject line so that it matches your reply and the post to which you are replying. Seeing a subject line like "Digest Mode..." doesn't tell us a darn thing about your subject. > > Now I know some of you are going to gripe about this post. "Doesn't Sarge have anything better to do than lecture us?" All of you are adults (mostly senior citizens, or almost) and have been using the Internet for some time; so, you have no excuse such as, "I don't know how to snip." You all do know how to use your mouse pointer, click and drag to highlight text, and DELETE it! Just remember that everything you send back in your replies goes into the Archives at Rootsweb and Ancestry and just adds more superfluous bytes, which Rootsweb/Ancestry must accommodate with more and more storage space. Give 'em a break! > > Sarge > > > Germanna Database at Ancestry: > http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property > > My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna > > My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html > > ******** > How did the departure of so many Germans in 1709 effect later emigration? Hear John Blankenbaker speak on October 1, 2011 at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison, VA. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Suzee, Thanks very, very much for continuing to add to the Tree. But, I just can't keep up. (GRIN) There's no way I can continue to include all the added data you and others are submitting to the Tree to my personal database! So, I'll just download a new copy of the Germanna Tree at Ancestry every night and load it into my genealogy program. That way I'll always have handy the latest data. In case some of you don't know, you can download a GEDCOM from the Tree and import it into your computer database program. Sarge At 9/19/2011 12:37 AM Monday, Suzee Oberg wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >The following story with a few tweaks has been added to my great grandmother, Sarah, wife of 1828 John SNYDER along with several media objects. > > >Little Sarah Pence was born in Sullivan County, Tennessee where her grandparents and parents had settled when they left VA and PA. She was just a toddler when her parents, Margaretta Roller and Jacob Pence, took their family of five children and with other Pence family members helped settle the new county of Bartholomew and little town of Columbus in Indiana. It was a rapidly growing area when they arrived in the late 1820’s. The fertile farmland was being grabbed up by families from all over and Columbus was a lovely small town for Sarah and her three sisters and twin brothers to grow up in. In 1835, Sarah’s oldest sister, Eliza, married Lewis Sims, the son of a Bartholomew County pioneer, and they operated a large hotel in Columbus. One of her twin brothers, David who worked as a carpenter, married Nancy Hart in 1845, the daughter of another Columbus pioneer and Sarah’s sister Margaret married Western W. Jones that same year. With a family history of having grandparents a! nd parents who fought in the American Revolution and the War of 1812, I am sure that her unmarried brother, George, didn’t hesitate to join up with the group going to war with Mexico when Indiana Governor Whitcomb called for volunteers in 1847. Sadly, he was one of the few U.S. soldiers killed in that conflict in Monterey, Mexico that same year when Sarah was 20 years old. > >By 1850 Sarah at age 22 and her younger sister, Amanda Katherine, at 20 were the only children left in the household. They were extremely close and remained so all of their lives. Jacob, their father, was busy plying his trade. He was a manufacturer of fine cutlery and guns. He was said to be of commanding presence and was fluent in several languages. The next year both girls married in Columbus. Amanda married Julius Jackson Van Meter, a farmer and son of another of Bartholomew’s pioneers, and Sarah married John Snyder, a distiller, from Kentucky. They must have met through John's sister who lived in the neighborhood with her husband. > >Their first child, Robert, was born in Indiana in 1852, probably at Sarah’s parent’s home. The Snyders made Louisville, KY their home by 1860 where John operated a grocery business. The next two children were born in Louisville and by the time that the Civil War began another child was again born in Indiana. It is possible that Sarah felt safer there and also that her sister Amanda was there for moral support. Amanda was living there with her two youngsters in 1860. In January of 1863, Sarah’s mother died. Louisville was occupied and expecting to be attacked in the summer of 1863. According to a diary and autobiography by sister-in-law, Nancy Hart Pence, the recent widower, Jacob Pence was visiting in Louisville with his daughter, Sarah, and the two of them brought the children to Columbus to stay for a while that year to avoid any conflict. After the danger passed, Sarah returned to Louisville where another two children were born by 1866 before Sarah turned 40. > >After the war ended, John’s brother, George Wilhoit Snyder, who had gone to Columbus, Johnson County, MO with his wife, Emma Barclay, and their children and bought a mill, urged John and Sarah to come join him. The story of how the family was transported to Missouri was written down by my Great Aunt Ella Snyder Garrett in 1934. She was just a girl of eleven or twelve years at the time of the move. She stated that the trip was, "by train to St. Louis, by boat on the Missouri River to Waverly, Mo and then by wagon to Columbus." The move involved transporting many of their household belongings. It must have been very difficult with six children in tow. It was remembered by Ella, the oldest girl, as "coming to Missouri in a covered wagon". In 1868 they relocated to Freedom Township (near Concordia), Lafayette County, MO where John bought another mill. Another child was born in MO, Martha Katherine. The 1870 census shows the family with four employees and a worth of $10,000. In! 1873 the family returned to Louisville where their last child was born and where John died just two years later, in 1875 at the age of 47, leaving Sarah with 7 children still in the home ranging in age from two to twenty. Only twenty-three-year-old Robert, who was later to become a millionaire industrialist, was married and out of the home. > >Sarah left Louisville and took her children to Iowa where her sister, Amanda, and brother-in-law, Julius Van Meter, had a large farm. It was the place where her widower father had gone to live and had died a few years earlier. Daughter Ella met her husband there and married in DeSoto, Dallas County. Iowa in 1882. Sarah stayed in Iowa until after 1880 when she moved to Independence, MO to be near her sons who were becoming successful businessmen in nearby Kansas City. She lived at 220 W. Moore near a current landmark, the Vaille Mansion. In the 1900 census all of her daughters are shown as located near her in Independence, three of her sons are in Kansas City and only one son, John Jacob, is out of the area. She was indeed the matriarch of this close-knit family and was a strong woman. She died in April of 1913 ans was buried in Woodlawn Cemetery after a funeral at her church, The First Christian of Independence. **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Folks, if you receive List posts in the Digest Mode, PLEASE snip out everything except the specific part to which you are replying. DO NOT include all of the Digest in your replies! AND, change the subject line so that it matches your reply and the post to which you are replying. Seeing a subject line like "Digest Mode..." doesn't tell us a darn thing about your subject. Now I know some of you are going to gripe about this post. "Doesn't Sarge have anything better to do than lecture us?" All of you are adults (mostly senior citizens, or almost) and have been using the Internet for some time; so, you have no excuse such as, "I don't know how to snip." You all do know how to use your mouse pointer, click and drag to highlight text, and DELETE it! Just remember that everything you send back in your replies goes into the Archives at Rootsweb and Ancestry and just adds more superfluous bytes, which Rootsweb/Ancestry must accommodate with more and more storage space. Give 'em a break! Sarge Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Hi Winnie, I don't know what went wrong before but I just sent you another "invite". You will receive a confirmation email from Ancestry, but the "From" address will be actually be GermannaResearch@comcast.net . It will contain a link to click to sign up as a Registered Guest. You will get a page that says "Visit This Tree with a Free Account". Fill in you first and last name and the address WITH WHICH YOU MADE YOUR REQUEST FOR THE "INVITE". You will then be taken to the database. PLEASE NOTE WHERE IT SAYS, "THANK YOU FOR REGISTERING AT ANCESTRY.COM", you will see a Password for you. Please make note of this password. If you wish, you can click "Change it to something that's easier to remember" and you can change your UserName (which was taken from your email address), and/or you can change you password which was a password randomly selected by Ancestry. You can then view the database by searching for anyone you're interested in. Please let me know if you have any problems signing up or accessing the Tree. Also, PLEASE respond to the confirmation email as soon as possible. If you have problems, "Sign Out", then go to: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/family And log in with your UserName & Password, whether the one originally assigned, or anything you might have changed it to. If, after going through all the above, you later wish to change your UserName or Password, Log On to the database, put the mouse over "My Account", click "Subscription Details"; on the new page, choose "Update your username or password". Regards, Sarge At 9/15/2011 10:36 AM Thursday, you wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >George, I asked and was accepted, however I haven't a pass word. winnie-miller@att.net > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Hello George, I just sent you an "invite". You will receive a confirmation email from Ancestry, but the "From" address will be actually be GermannaResearch@comcast.net . It will contain a link to click to sign up as a Registered Guest. You will get a page that says "Visit This Tree with a Free Account". Fill in you first and last name and the address WITH WHICH YOU MADE YOUR REQUEST FOR THE "INVITE". You will then be taken to the database. PLEASE NOTE WHERE IT SAYS, "THANK YOU FOR REGISTERING AT ANCESTRY.COM", you will see a Password for you. Please make note of this password. If you wish, you can click "Change it to something that's easier to remember" and you can change your UserName (which was taken from your email address), and/or you can change you password which was a password randomly selected by Ancestry. You can then view the database by searching for anyone you're interested in. Please let me know if you have any problems signing up or accessing the Tree. Also, PLEASE respond to the confirmation email as soon as possible. If you have problems, "Sign Out", then go to: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/family And log in with your UserName & Password, whether the one originally assigned, or anything you might have changed it to. If, after going through all the above, you later wish to change your UserName or Password, Log On to the database, put the mouse over "My Account", click "Subscription Details"; on the new page, choose "Update your username or password". Regards, Sarge At 9/15/2011 08:56 AM Thursday, you wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >George, > >Please "invite" me to join your tree. > >Thanks so much. > >George Rector >recward@msn.com >(snipped) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

The following story with a few tweaks has been added to my great grandmother, Sarah, wife of 1828 John SNYDER along with several media objects. Little Sarah Pence was born in Sullivan County, Tennessee where her grandparents and parents had settled when they left VA and PA. She was just a toddler when her parents, Margaretta Roller and Jacob Pence, took their family of five children and with other Pence family members helped settle the new county of Bartholomew and little town of Columbus in Indiana. It was a rapidly growing area when they arrived in the late 1820’s. The fertile farmland was being grabbed up by families from all over and Columbus was a lovely small town for Sarah and her three sisters and twin brothers to grow up in. In 1835, Sarah’s oldest sister, Eliza, married Lewis Sims, the son of a Bartholomew County pioneer, and they operated a large hotel in Columbus. One of her twin brothers, David who worked as a carpenter, married Nancy Hart in 1845, the daughter of another Columbus pioneer and Sarah’s sister Margaret married Western W. Jones that same year. With a family history of having grandparents and parents who fought in the American Revolution and the War of 1812, I am sure that her unmarried brother, George, didn’t hesitate to join up with the group going to war with Mexico when Indiana Governor Whitcomb called for volunteers in 1847. Sadly, he was one of the few U.S. soldiers killed in that conflict in Monterey, Mexico that same year when Sarah was 20 years old. By 1850 Sarah at age 22 and her younger sister, Amanda Katherine, at 20 were the only children left in the household. They were extremely close and remained so all of their lives. Jacob, their father, was busy plying his trade. He was a manufacturer of fine cutlery and guns. He was said to be of commanding presence and was fluent in several languages. The next year both girls married in Columbus. Amanda married Julius Jackson Van Meter, a farmer and son of another of Bartholomew’s pioneers, and Sarah married John Snyder, a distiller, from Kentucky. They must have met through John's sister who lived in the neighborhood with her husband. Their first child, Robert, was born in Indiana in 1852, probably at Sarah’s parent’s home. The Snyders made Louisville, KY their home by 1860 where John operated a grocery business. The next two children were born in Louisville and by the time that the Civil War began another child was again born in Indiana. It is possible that Sarah felt safer there and also that her sister Amanda was there for moral support. Amanda was living there with her two youngsters in 1860. In January of 1863, Sarah’s mother died. Louisville was occupied and expecting to be attacked in the summer of 1863. According to a diary and autobiography by sister-in-law, Nancy Hart Pence, the recent widower, Jacob Pence was visiting in Louisville with his daughter, Sarah, and the two of them brought the children to Columbus to stay for a while that year to avoid any conflict. After the danger passed, Sarah returned to Louisville where another two children were born by 1866 before Sarah turned 40. After the war ended, John’s brother, George Wilhoit Snyder, who had gone to Columbus, Johnson County, MO with his wife, Emma Barclay, and their children and bought a mill, urged John and Sarah to come join him. The story of how the family was transported to Missouri was written down by my Great Aunt Ella Snyder Garrett in 1934. She was just a girl of eleven or twelve years at the time of the move. She stated that the trip was, "by train to St. Louis, by boat on the Missouri River to Waverly, Mo and then by wagon to Columbus." The move involved transporting many of their household belongings. It must have been very difficult with six children in tow. It was remembered by Ella, the oldest girl, as "coming to Missouri in a covered wagon". In 1868 they relocated to Freedom Township (near Concordia), Lafayette County, MO where John bought another mill. Another child was born in MO, Martha Katherine. The 1870 census shows the family with four employees and a worth of $10,000. In 1873 the family returned to Louisville where their last child was born and where John died just two years later, in 1875 at the age of 47, leaving Sarah with 7 children still in the home ranging in age from two to twenty. Only twenty-three-year-old Robert, who was later to become a millionaire industrialist, was married and out of the home. Sarah left Louisville and took her children to Iowa where her sister, Amanda, and brother-in-law, Julius Van Meter, had a large farm. It was the place where her widower father had gone to live and had died a few years earlier. Daughter Ella met her husband there and married in DeSoto, Dallas County. Iowa in 1882. Sarah stayed in Iowa until after 1880 when she moved to Independence, MO to be near her sons who were becoming successful businessmen in nearby Kansas City. She lived at 220 W. Moore near a current landmark, the Vaille Mansion. In the 1900 census all of her daughters are shown as located near her in Independence, three of her sons are in Kansas City and only one son, John Jacob, is out of the area. She was indeed the matriarch of this close-knit family and was a strong woman. She died in April of 1913 ans was buried in Woodlawn Cemetery after a funeral at her church, The First Christian of Independence.

Thanks for this information.  I don't believe this John Kemper ca 1822 is the same John Kemper [probably Sr.] of Dicks River area of Garrard Co., KY who is my ancestor.  His son, George Nimrod Kemper of Garrard Co., KY predeceased him, the father, and the father John had to finish raising G.N.'s children.  And, if I can believe other records, G. N.'s widow (Nancy Kelly) died a couple of years after that. No wonder the Kemper children scattered here and there--mine to Texas to fight the Texian Revolution ca 1835, and others to Missouri!!!! As I have learned from the several-decades' worth of lectures on German research, nearly all the children in a certain German family would have the same first name--saint's name, if I recall those lectures, and the second name was the *calling* name.  So--there are lots of John Kempers out there, because the English-speaking county clerks were used to the first name being the *calling* name. And, amazing to me, was that other German relatives of the same surname seemed to have come in at Philadelphia and joined their cousins in Virginia. So, those relatives of my original First Germanna Colony John Kemper are NOT all his kids, I think!!!!  He is alleged to have entered Virginia in 1714 as a bachelor, and yet, in some Virgina colony tax lists, lo and behold, here are some adult (?) male Kempers!!! I believe that was in Stafford Co., one of those famed *burned* counties of Virginia.  (Maybe they were not adults.  In the Northern Neck land grants, I noted that in 1741 John Kemper of Prince William Co. obtained a NN grant for his daughters and one son:  Heni [Henry?], Catherine and Maria.  The land was on Great Run of Rappahannock adj. John Kemper's other land.(Northern Neck Land Grant E-408, dated 22 Jan 1741.) Listed in some Stafford Co., VA Northern Neck residents & landowners are these Kemper males: Kemper, Jacob - 1728/9  Rappahannock River Kemper, John   - 1728/9  Rappahannock River Kemper, Peter -  1728/9   Rappahannock River (Source:  John Vogt & T. William Kethley, Jr:  Stafford County Virginia Tithables, 1723-1790:  Quit Rents, Personal Property Taxes & related lists and petiotions, Two volumes [Athens, GA:  Iberian Publishing co., 1990] p. 121-122) (I am assuming these are all adults.  Although, in a lecture long ago by an archivist at the Library of Virginia, we were told that minors could own property, but they could not sell it until of age.  Also, as minors, if deemed old enough to know what they were witnessing, they could also be witnesses--even females, as I have found.  Interesting!) Isn't this hobby a crazy-making one?  Always discovering some information which shatter your original hypothesis!!! Thanks for the entry. E.W. Wallace ________________________________ From: June Fikac <cpzb4@aol.com> To: twssls@flash.net; vafauqui@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Thornton Christie and Alexander Welch 14 pages, chancery CHRISTIE, Charles & Letitia Ball, Aug. 3, 1822 - bdsm: John Kemper CHRISTIE, Charles & Mrs. Elizabeth Richards, Jun. 24, 1826 - bdsm: d/o George Monroe; MR (OGI) (bride Elizabeth Richards) CHRISTIE, Thornton & Rebecca Smith, Jan. 10, 1825 - bdsm: Alex. Welch CHRISTY, Charles & Nancy Smith, Dec. 23, 1786 - bdsm: d/o John; MR (PIC) (date of MR Dec. 25, 1786) CHRISTY, Henry & Nelly Sinclair, Sep. 9, 1833 - bdsm: d/o Archibald Click on this site http://www.lva.virginia.gov/chancery/full_case_detail.asp?CFN=061-1830-122#img Index Number    1830-122 Locality: Fauquier County Plaintiff(s) Defendant(s) ALEXANDER WELCH THORNTON CHRISTIE June cpzb4@aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFAUQUI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are the persons mentioned in theses Kentucky documents descendants of Germanna colonists? Since there is no 1790 census for Kentucky, other sources must be searched. Possible resource:   Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love compiled and published some years ago a three volume set called The 1787 Census of Virginia.  They used the 1787 Personal Property Tax Lists of Virginia, which at that time included what was to become Kentucky (and whatever other territory Virginia claimed in 1787).  In many genealogical libraries, these volumes are shelved with the census index [how quaint!!] Because these personal property tax lists are more detailed than some of the early US censuses, these volumes should be sought for your own research for early settlers in those territories claimed by Virginia in that time period. (If not in your local library, try the online catalogs of surrounding libraries, including some University and college libraries--those which still have books!!!) The third volume of this so-called census is theindex for the preceding two volumes. However, I learned, by repeating some of my actions, that your ancestor MAY have tax lists in several locations.  Do not ignore those lists -- I found my Harris ancestor was holding personal property in two locations--Albemarle Co., VA and in what was to become Madison Co., Kentucky. In the meantime, for Kentucky, some of the publications of Michael L. Cook and his widow Bettie A. Cummings Cook are quite useful--especially the early records of some of the counties plus the Kentucky Court of Appeals books.  Here is an excerpt from the Cooks' volume Fayette County Kentucky Records, Volume 2 [Evansville, IN:  Cook Publications, 1985], p. 135. I suspect (but cannot prove) that some of these persons are descendants of the Germanna colonies.  What do you think? p. 429 [probably of deed book] Indenture, July 18, 1799,Charles Yancy of Louisa County, Virginia, to Reubin Camper of Montgomery County, Kentucky, for 50 pounds, a tract of land in Montgomery County being a part of Yancy's 2,000 acre tract adjoining said Camper, beginning at the northeast corner to John Davis, and containing 50 acres, Martin Coons, Henry Kamper and Thomson Wrightsworth, witnesses.  Signed as Asa Thompson as attorney in fact for Yancy.  recorded July 18, 1799. p. 432 Jacob Myers, on July 23, 1799, certified that he located Thomas Perkins' entry of 12,953 acres on both sides of Main Licking above the upper blue licks, for which he was to have half of he land for locating the same, said Perkins to pay all expenses, which half is now claimed under the said contract.  Peter Panebaker, George Zimmerman and John Hunt, Jr., witnesses.  A summons to William Sudduth, Ralph Morgan and Peter Light, agent of Jacob Myers, who was to superintend the said survey, and for James Garrard and Harry, Jr. [?] to prove Myers as the locator.  Witnessed by the same.  Recorded July 23, 1799. On page 382 of this same volume compiled by the Cooks, there is reference to a small frame house built by George N. Camper, located in Lexington "on Upper Street".  (I have an ancestor named George Nimrod Kemper, later of Garrard Co., KY.  Wonder if this is the same person?  But like all colonials and their descendants, families used the same given names over and over!!!  And George Nimrod Kemper's father in Garrard Co. was -- what else?--John Kemper of Dicks River area.  There was a younger John Kemper in the southern part--with a wife believed to be Judith Burditt.) E.W.Wallace

I have added to 1828 John SNYDER, a story about his life and a photo of an algebra book used by him in 1847 at Western Military Institute in Georgetown, KY. The same book is also attached to James Wharton Jones, his b-in-law as it was his first and a hand-me-down. I also put in the mortuary record re:his death. More to follow.

Congratulations, George. Sounds like a good time. On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:02 PM, "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> wrote: The 2011 East TN Germanna Reunion was held 9, 10, and 11 September, at the Philadelphia Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Washington Co., TN. Including family members and speakers, there were 32 attendees from CA, GA, MD, MO, NC, OK, SC, TM. VA. The Germanna, and related families, represented at the Reunion were: BAILEY, BITNER, BRIGHT (BRECHT), BROYLES, BURGNER, FELLERS/FILLERS/G'FELLERS, HAMMER, GANN, GUIN/GUINN, LAYMAN, MARTIN (MERTEN), PAINTER (BENDER), PATTON, PRATHER, SEATON, SNAPP, WALTER/WALTERS, WEAVER (WEBER), WILHOIT/WILLHOIT/WILHITE, & YAGER/YEAGER. (And I've probably left out a bunch. We just didn't have time to get into a detailed, extended genealogy of those present.) Of course, other Germanna families were represented through their marriages to BROYLES and WILHITE/WILHOIT: CARPENTER (ZIMMERMAN), CRISLER, FLESHMAN (FLEISCHMANN), KLUG, & SCHÖNE, to name some. We had presentations by: Virginia Nuta, "Why the Germanna Colonists Left Germany, and Why They Left Virginia"; by Betty Jane Hylton, "Broylesville"; and by Jim Albin, "Photos from the Germanna Foundation Tours of Germany". Of course I also talked a lot about everything. (Gotta learn to shut up once in a while!) We toured the old Broylesville community and were allowed to tour the home of Adam Alexander BROYLES, Jr., built c.1840. Adam, Jr., was the son of the founder of Broylesville, who built the Broylesville Mercantile and Broylesville Inn where 3 Presidents stayed. There was a fascinating story told at the home by Jerry Honeycutt a local artist and historian. He has detailed knowledge of the Adam Alexander BROYLES home, and about the general history of Broylesville, for anyone descended from this line which started out in NC as BRILES. It is getting difficult anymore to hold the Reunion to just Germanna descendants. I think in the future we may follow the Germanna Research Group's lead and have the Reunion for descendants of ALL Germans, those from Madison and Culpeper, Counties, VA, and those latecomers who came from PA down through the Shenandoah Valley on the "Great Wagon Road". I know we honor mostly our Germanna ancestors, but those "other" Germans are ancestors too. (And let us not forget those British settlers who married into all those German families in Tennessee.) What does anyone think about making the East TN Reunion for ALL early Germans? Please let me know. Regards, Sarge (P.S. I'm going to update the Reunion page and the Broylesville page on my website, later.) My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html ******** How did the departure of so many Germans in 1709 effect later emigration? Hear John Blankenbaker speak on October 1, 2011 at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison, VA. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George, I asked and was accepted, however I haven't a pass word. winnie-miller@att.net

George, Please "invite" me to join your tree. Thanks so much. George Rector recward@msn.com > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:58:31 -0400 > From: indianabowen@gmail.com > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com > > Me too please. George, you are again providing a great service by adding > your tree to the jungle of Ancestry trees and allowing rank amateurs to edit > it. > Tom Bowen, indianabowen@gmail.com > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, N Rector <nhrector@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > And me as well? nhrector@yahoo.com > > > > > > NHR > > > > From: "barberrey@comcast.net" <barberrey@comcast.net> > > To: Germanna Bounces <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com > > > > George, > > > > > > Please invite me to the Ancestry site. > > > > > > Barbara Berrey Stotler barberrey@comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you add a picture of a document (choose document rather than photo) when it is uploaded -- you get a block for adding transcription of the document. I am going to go back to the patents, wills, etc that I have posted to add a transcript of the will OR the land description on the patent -- date -- Township, Range, Section and acreage -- some of the posted items are really difficult to read -- Take care. Marilyn

I have added 6 websites for the Ha Ha Tonka Castle and 5 more photos of it to Robert McClure SNYDER's overview on the Germanna Tree at Ancestry. Sarge At 9/14/2011 10:29 PM Wednesday, Jane Wisdom wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >While vacationing in the Ozarks several years ago, two of our college-age >children somehow found this castle and persuaded me the next day to >accompany them to see it again. I have never forgotten this beautiful spot >and we imagined someone building it and living there. The waterfall at that >time was so powerful, we could not imagine just how and why it was there. >It is one of those experiences etched in our family memory that we still >reminisce when we are together. I recall at the time, my son stating that >the location had been a gathering spot for Indian tribes. Not certain if >that is true or someone in the local area had told him. We could not >imagine just how they were able to get all that stone to the top of the >bluff. It is amazing how much R. M. Snyder accomplished. >Thanks, Suzee for this information as I will pass this on to my family. >Until now, we never knew the history of the person owning the land or >building the castle. One of the first life insurance we ever bought was >from Kansas City Life Insurance Co. It may still be there. >Jane Wisdom >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Suzee Oberg" <suzeeoberg@gmail.com> >To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> >Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:35 PM >Subject: [GERMANNA] Added this story to Robert MClure SNYDER 1852-1906 > > >R. M. Snyder, the millionaire industrialist, as he was referred to in >business circles and in numerous newspaper articles was killed at age 54 in >1906 in one of the first motor car accidents in Kansas City, Missouri. The >chauffer driving his Royal Tourist automobile swerved to avoid a child and >lost control of the car in the newly oiled street and Robert�s head was >crushed against a trolley pole. When he died a press release stated that �he >did more for the residents of Kansas City than any man who ever lived >there�. There was good reason for that statement since among other of his >accomplishments was the piping of cheap natural gas for public consumption >into Kansas City and many surrounding towns. In his drilling efforts in >Kansas and Indian Territory (Oklahoma) he hit several wells among them the >largest well ever found at that time, the Schoenberg. He built a million >dollar gas works in Kansas City that was hailed as a boon to the city. He >began as a bookkeeper and grocer and with his business talents ended life as >a multi-millionaire. He was a founder of the Kansas City Life Insurance >Company, the Mechanics Bank and the City National Bank in Kansas City and >arranged real estate deals for the post office and bond issues for Kansas >City in the 1880�s and 1890�s. He was a devoted son and generous brother to >his seven siblings and to his in-laws and cousins. He employed many of his >relatives in his numerous business ventures. He belonged to various civic >and social clubs both in Kansas City and on the east coast and was a >charitable man who was popular with his business colleagues and a wide >circle of friends. On the occasion of his remarriage in Boston in 1901, the >President of the United States sent a congratulatory telegram. He owned >ranches and had investments nationwide and traveled in his own railroad car. >His life was not without its low points. He was a widower twice and his only >daughter died in infancy. He was accused and convicted of bribing an >official in St Louis (a common requirement of doing business there at that >time) and one of his four sons, Cary, was convicted of criminal activity and >murdered in 1905 and his skeletal remains were found only a few weeks before >Robert was killed. > >He was an avid sportsman and enjoyed hunting and fishing and, as a result, >in 1903 he purchased 5,400 acres of an unspoiled wilderness with caves, a >waterfall and a lake in the Missouri Ozarks that he intended to be for his >retirement and the enjoyment of his family and friends. The natives called >the area Ha Ha Tonka. He imported 40 stonemasons from Scotland and employed >hundreds of local subsistence farmers as workers to build on a bluff on his >Ozark property a splendid castle like those he had admired on his European >travels. When he was killed, his family completed the unfinished castle and >estate although in a less magnificent fashion than Robert had planned. Part >of the property was later the object of a very expensive and long lasting >lawsuit when it was condemned for Bagnell Dam and flooded by the resulting >Lake of the Ozarks. Ha Ha Tonka castle burned in 1942 and the imposing shell >of it remains in Ha Ha Tonka Missouri State Park. There are several >references to it on the internet. It is said to be haunted. If so, I hope it >is my father�s Uncle Robert enjoying his castle. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

The 2011 East TN Germanna Reunion was held 9, 10, and 11 September, at the Philadelphia Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Washington Co., TN. Including family members and speakers, there were 32 attendees from CA, GA, MD, MO, NC, OK, SC, TM. VA. The Germanna, and related families, represented at the Reunion were: BAILEY, BITNER, BRIGHT (BRECHT), BROYLES, BURGNER, FELLERS/FILLERS/G'FELLERS, HAMMER, GANN, GUIN/GUINN, LAYMAN, MARTIN (MERTEN), PAINTER (BENDER), PATTON, PRATHER, SEATON, SNAPP, WALTER/WALTERS, WEAVER (WEBER), WILHOIT/WILLHOIT/WILHITE, & YAGER/YEAGER. (And I've probably left out a bunch. We just didn't have time to get into a detailed, extended genealogy of those present.) Of course, other Germanna families were represented through their marriages to BROYLES and WILHITE/WILHOIT: CARPENTER (ZIMMERMAN), CRISLER, FLESHMAN (FLEISCHMANN), KLUG, & SCHÖNE, to name some. We had presentations by: Virginia Nuta, "Why the Germanna Colonists Left Germany, and Why They Left Virginia"; by Betty Jane Hylton, "Broylesville"; and by Jim Albin, "Photos from the Germanna Foundation Tours of Germany". Of course I also talked a lot about everything. (Gotta learn to shut up once in a while!) We toured the old Broylesville community and were allowed to tour the home of Adam Alexander BROYLES, Jr., built c.1840. Adam, Jr., was the son of the founder of Broylesville, who built the Broylesville Mercantile and Broylesville Inn where 3 Presidents stayed. There was a fascinating story told at the home by Jerry Honeycutt a local artist and historian. He has detailed knowledge of the Adam Alexander BROYLES home, and about the general history of Broylesville, for anyone descended from this line which started out in NC as BRILES. It is getting difficult anymore to hold the Reunion to just Germanna descendants. I think in the future we may follow the Germanna Research Group's lead and have the Reunion for descendants of ALL Germans, those from Madison and Culpeper, Counties, VA, and those latecomers who came from PA down through the Shenandoah Valley on the "Great Wagon Road". I know we honor mostly our Germanna ancestors, but those "other" Germans are ancestors too. (And let us not forget those British settlers who married into all those German families in Tennessee.) What does anyone think about making the East TN Reunion for ALL early Germans? Please let me know. Regards, Sarge (P.S. I'm going to update the Reunion page and the Broylesville page on my website, later.) My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Thanks, Jane, for the note. I posted a picture of the castle on the Germanna database by Robert's name. I wrote a manuscript about him in 2005 and the Jackson County(MO) Historical Society printed a 3 page "Reader's Digest" version from it in their Spring Journal 2005. I think that if you want to know more about him(and there is lots more) they will sell you a copy from their website. I am in the process of writing about the son, Cary, who was the opposite of his father. The wole manuscript is in the Johnson County, KS Central Resource Library in the genealogy section as well if you live anywhere near. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Jane Wisdom <jdwisdom@cox.net> wrote: > While vacationing in the Ozarks several years ago, two of our college-age > children somehow found this castle and persuaded me the next day to > accompany them to see it again. I have never forgotten this beautiful spot > and we imagined someone building it and living there. The waterfall at > that > time was so powerful, we could not imagine just how and why it was there. > It is one of those experiences etched in our family memory that we still > reminisce when we are together. I recall at the time, my son stating that > the location had been a gathering spot for Indian tribes. Not certain if > that is true or someone in the local area had told him. We could not > imagine just how they were able to get all that stone to the top of the > bluff. It is amazing how much R. M. Snyder accomplished. > Thanks, Suzee for this information as I will pass this on to my family. > Until now, we never knew the history of the person owning the land or > building the castle. One of the first life insurance we ever bought was > from Kansas City Life Insurance Co. It may still be there. > Jane Wisdom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzee Oberg" <suzeeoberg@gmail.com> > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:35 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Added this story to Robert MClure SNYDER 1852-1906 > > > R. M. Snyder, the millionaire industrialist, as he was referred to in > business circles and in numerous newspaper articles was killed at age 54 in > 1906 in one of the first motor car accidents in Kansas City, Missouri. The > chauffer driving his Royal Tourist automobile swerved to avoid a child and > lost control of the car in the newly oiled street and Robert’s head was > crushed against a trolley pole. When he died a press release stated that > “he > did more for the residents of Kansas City than any man who ever lived > there”. There was good reason for that statement since among other of his > accomplishments was the piping of cheap natural gas for public consumption > into Kansas City and many surrounding towns. In his drilling efforts in > Kansas and Indian Territory (Oklahoma) he hit several wells among them the > largest well ever found at that time, the Schoenberg. He built a million > dollar gas works in Kansas City that was hailed as a boon to the city. He > began as a bookkeeper and grocer and with his business talents ended life > as > a multi-millionaire. He was a founder of the Kansas City Life Insurance > Company, the Mechanics Bank and the City National Bank in Kansas City and > arranged real estate deals for the post office and bond issues for Kansas > City in the 1880’s and 1890’s. He was a devoted son and generous brother to > his seven siblings and to his in-laws and cousins. He employed many of his > relatives in his numerous business ventures. He belonged to various civic > and social clubs both in Kansas City and on the east coast and was a > charitable man who was popular with his business colleagues and a wide > circle of friends. On the occasion of his remarriage in Boston in 1901, the > President of the United States sent a congratulatory telegram. He owned > ranches and had investments nationwide and traveled in his own railroad > car. > His life was not without its low points. He was a widower twice and his > only > daughter died in infancy. He was accused and convicted of bribing an > official in St Louis (a common requirement of doing business there at that > time) and one of his four sons, Cary, was convicted of criminal activity > and > murdered in 1905 and his skeletal remains were found only a few weeks > before > Robert was killed. > > He was an avid sportsman and enjoyed hunting and fishing and, as a result, > in 1903 he purchased 5,400 acres of an unspoiled wilderness with caves, a > waterfall and a lake in the Missouri Ozarks that he intended to be for his > retirement and the enjoyment of his family and friends. The natives called > the area Ha Ha Tonka. He imported 40 stonemasons from Scotland and employed > hundreds of local subsistence farmers as workers to build on a bluff on his > Ozark property a splendid castle like those he had admired on his European > travels. When he was killed, his family completed the unfinished castle and > estate although in a less magnificent fashion than Robert had planned. Part > of the property was later the object of a very expensive and long lasting > lawsuit when it was condemned for Bagnell Dam and flooded by the resulting > Lake of the Ozarks. Ha Ha Tonka castle burned in 1942 and the imposing > shell > of it remains in Ha Ha Tonka Missouri State Park. There are several > references to it on the internet. It is said to be haunted. If so, I hope > it > is my father’s Uncle Robert enjoying his castle. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While vacationing in the Ozarks several years ago, two of our college-age children somehow found this castle and persuaded me the next day to accompany them to see it again. I have never forgotten this beautiful spot and we imagined someone building it and living there. The waterfall at that time was so powerful, we could not imagine just how and why it was there. It is one of those experiences etched in our family memory that we still reminisce when we are together. I recall at the time, my son stating that the location had been a gathering spot for Indian tribes. Not certain if that is true or someone in the local area had told him. We could not imagine just how they were able to get all that stone to the top of the bluff. It is amazing how much R. M. Snyder accomplished. Thanks, Suzee for this information as I will pass this on to my family. Until now, we never knew the history of the person owning the land or building the castle. One of the first life insurance we ever bought was from Kansas City Life Insurance Co. It may still be there. Jane Wisdom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzee Oberg" <suzeeoberg@gmail.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:35 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Added this story to Robert MClure SNYDER 1852-1906 R. M. Snyder, the millionaire industrialist, as he was referred to in business circles and in numerous newspaper articles was killed at age 54 in 1906 in one of the first motor car accidents in Kansas City, Missouri. The chauffer driving his Royal Tourist automobile swerved to avoid a child and lost control of the car in the newly oiled street and Robert’s head was crushed against a trolley pole. When he died a press release stated that “he did more for the residents of Kansas City than any man who ever lived there”. There was good reason for that statement since among other of his accomplishments was the piping of cheap natural gas for public consumption into Kansas City and many surrounding towns. In his drilling efforts in Kansas and Indian Territory (Oklahoma) he hit several wells among them the largest well ever found at that time, the Schoenberg. He built a million dollar gas works in Kansas City that was hailed as a boon to the city. He began as a bookkeeper and grocer and with his business talents ended life as a multi-millionaire. He was a founder of the Kansas City Life Insurance Company, the Mechanics Bank and the City National Bank in Kansas City and arranged real estate deals for the post office and bond issues for Kansas City in the 1880’s and 1890’s. He was a devoted son and generous brother to his seven siblings and to his in-laws and cousins. He employed many of his relatives in his numerous business ventures. He belonged to various civic and social clubs both in Kansas City and on the east coast and was a charitable man who was popular with his business colleagues and a wide circle of friends. On the occasion of his remarriage in Boston in 1901, the President of the United States sent a congratulatory telegram. He owned ranches and had investments nationwide and traveled in his own railroad car. His life was not without its low points. He was a widower twice and his only daughter died in infancy. He was accused and convicted of bribing an official in St Louis (a common requirement of doing business there at that time) and one of his four sons, Cary, was convicted of criminal activity and murdered in 1905 and his skeletal remains were found only a few weeks before Robert was killed. He was an avid sportsman and enjoyed hunting and fishing and, as a result, in 1903 he purchased 5,400 acres of an unspoiled wilderness with caves, a waterfall and a lake in the Missouri Ozarks that he intended to be for his retirement and the enjoyment of his family and friends. The natives called the area Ha Ha Tonka. He imported 40 stonemasons from Scotland and employed hundreds of local subsistence farmers as workers to build on a bluff on his Ozark property a splendid castle like those he had admired on his European travels. When he was killed, his family completed the unfinished castle and estate although in a less magnificent fashion than Robert had planned. Part of the property was later the object of a very expensive and long lasting lawsuit when it was condemned for Bagnell Dam and flooded by the resulting Lake of the Ozarks. Ha Ha Tonka castle burned in 1942 and the imposing shell of it remains in Ha Ha Tonka Missouri State Park. There are several references to it on the internet. It is said to be haunted. If so, I hope it is my father’s Uncle Robert enjoying his castle. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message