The Ellison family of the Wolf Creek area of Monroe Co., West Virginia are an allied family of the Reiner/Riner, Broyles and Fleischman families of Peterstown, Rich Creek, Monroe Co., West Virginia. The intermarriages between these groups is amazing to say the least. My tree program is down right now so I don't have details at the moment, but they are all central to my research in Monroe and Fayette Co's West Virginia. and all intermarried with my Riner family branches. Later, Dan Cook Reiner/Broyles/Fleischman descendant -----Original Message----- From: Virginia Nuta <vrnuta@verizon.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 25, 2011 4:40 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] KY people and Rev. War I have Ellison ancestors who were very early settlers in what is now Monroe ounty, WV. According to some old internet information I have, the Ellison ather might have been married to Ann English or Ingles. I haven't nvestigated them very much. A daughter married Michael Swope/Schwab of olf Creek, Monroe County. By any chance could your James Ellison, Jr., be onnected? Virginia Nuta
I can verify that Martin Fishback is definitely buried in the cemetery at "Fleetwood," the John Fishback home in Jeffersonton. We've visited Fleetwood a couple of times during the First Colony Tour for the Germanna Foundation and the cemetery there. It is said that Martin was born and died in the same room in Fleetwood, but he did have his own home, it's located across the street from Fleetwood, in Jeffersonton. I was just speaking with the current owners of his home a few weeks ago! There are 4 Fishback homes in Jeffersonton and the Coontz home is also still standing, and occupied, in Jeffersonton. The Culpeper Minutemen Sons of the American Revolution held a dedication ceremony at Fleetwood in 2002 to honor the Rev War service of Martin Fishback, he was a Private and fought in the Battle of Yorktown. I don't know about service in the War of 1812, he was born in 1763 and he died in 1842, so it's possible, but I've seen no record for this service. The marriage of Lucy Amiss and Martin Fishback is noted in "Twentieth Century Biographical Dictionary of Notable Americans, John Rossiter in the biography of William Meade Fishback, Governor of Arkansas. It's noted that he was the son of Frederick and Sophie Yates Fishback, the grandson of Martin and Lucy Amiss Fishback. The marriage is also noted in "Virginia Soldiers of 1776, Vols. I, II and III, Virginia Soldiers, Pg. 1109: "Martin Fishback, Soldier Martin Fishback was a youthful Soldier of the Revolution. At the age of seventeen, he was at the siege of Yorktown, and was present at the surrender of Cornwallis. He was born at "Fleetwood", Culpeper Co., 12 Oct. 1763; died 24 Jan., 1842. He married 23 Mar., 1783, Lucy Amiss, daughter of Willie and Annie Amiss." There is another Martin Fishback listed as serving in the War of 1812, but he served in Kentucky under Capt. James Armstrong and commanded by Col. Wm. Mountjoy. I think that this Martin Fishback is the son of John and Martha Pickett Fishback, the grandson of John Philip Fishback and the great grandson of the immigrants, John and Agnes Haeger Fishback. Barb Price Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 00:01:57 -0400 From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> Subject: [GERMANNA] Martin Fishback and wife Lucy Amiss ? To: Germans-VA <germans-va@rootsweb.com>, Germanna List German Colonists List <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <681C4B84-D54D-4C5F-AAB5-CB31DFBA9C68@craigkilby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I am hoping someone can help me verify one of the entries in the War of 1812 Veterans' Burials in Virginia database. It is for Martin Fishback who is said by the U.S. Daughters of the War of 1812 to have married Lucy Amiss, daughter of William and Annie Amiss on 23 MAR 1793. He lived in Jeffersonton and according to the notes, this about about him: Born 1763, died 24 Jan 1842, buried at Fleetwood Cemetery in Jefferston. Service: 2nd Lieutenant, US Army Said to be born, married and died in the same room of his home, "Fleetwood" in Culpeper County. Can anyone verify this marriage or add/delete/comment on the other items? Many thanks, Craig Kilby
Document 79, 22 October - 23 November, 1782. Pay Roll of Lincoln Militia under Captain Samuel Kirkham on actual Service on an Expedition against the enemy Indians under General George R. Clark. Samuel Kirkham, Captain Henry Grider, Lieutenant William Crow, Ensign George Cambell, Sergeant Daniel Brown, Sergeant James Fisher, Sergeant John Crow, Adjutant James Thompson, T.H. Master Privates: Joseph Wilson, John Sellars, Josiah Boone, Jeremiah Boone, James Stephenson, Samuel Lawrence, Isaac Lawrence, Soloman Lawrence, Joseph Lawrence, William Gracey, Benjamin White, George Wilson, George Reading, Edward Dougherty, Samuel Brenton, William Brenton, Adam Brenton, Robert Brenton, James Brenton, John Brenton, Edward Taylor, William Stone, Nicholas Pix, Jesse Thomas, Abraham Thomas, Jacob Holsclaw, William Barba, John Barba, Joshua Barba, William Kenn, William Fields, George Yunt, John Harris, Peter Watts, Robert Foreman, Moses Cherry, Ash Emerson, Absalom Yagar, Cornelias Yagar, Stephen Archer, Jacob Crow, Levi Scott, Isaac Romaine, Elisha Scott. Just a blurb about the William Barbee/Barba -- he went to Ohio with Abraham Thomas - their wives were siblings -- William was married to Mary Smith, daughter of Adam Smith (of John Michael and Anna Magdalena Thomas Smith family) and Abraham was married to Susannah Smith, the sister of Mary> The marriage of Mary Smith is recorded in Lincoln Co., KY with notation -- daughter of Adam Smith MIAMI COUNTY HISTORY by Sesquicentennial Committee - 1953 p. 164 - In 1805, Abraham Thomas, Wm. Barbee and their families, with a small party of their neighbors, moved to Miami County from Fayette County, KY. They stopped for a short time at Staunton, then moved on and forded the river at what is to this day called Broadford. From there they had to cut their way through dense undergrowth to their farms, a short distance from the present site of Troy. They paid $1.25 per acre for their land, making the payment in two or three installments. MIAMI COUNTY, OHIO FAMILIES, Volume 4, p. 85 The Barbees were among the first settlers in the Troy area, coming from Kentucky in 1804. William Barbee was the third of six sons born to John and Elizabeth [Welch] Barbee. He was born in Culpeper Co., VA on Sept. 14, 1759. At the age of 17 he enlisted in the Revolutionary War with Col. Elias Burwell's Regiment and he was with Washington the night he crossed the Delaware and captured one thousand Hessians. On 23 Feb. 1781 he was married to Mary Smith, the daughter of Adam and Elizabeth Smith. They had eleven children: Elizabeth, Thomas, Lucy, William,Jr., Polly, Sarah, Nancy, Susannah, Melinda, Elisa and Melissa. In 1807 William Barbee sold land to the Town Directors of Troy for $421.50. He was one of the first Associate Judges of Miami County. He also took a conspicuous part in the War of 1812. He was Captain of a company of older men formed for the purpose of the defense of the Miami County area. After a brief illness, he died on Oct. 21, 1813. He is buried with his wife in the old Barbee Cemetery north of Troy. His wife later married Aaron Tullis, and her history becomes part of his. To make the family tree even more interesting -- a son of Aaron Tullis and his first wife, married a daughter of Abraham and Susanna Smith Thomas.
I need help finding some of my Greman Ancesters. I am trying to find the father of John Hiser born in Pennsylvania in 1759 or 1760. I am not sure when they came over I think early 1700. John married Sarah Fancher Feb 3 1792 in Knox Co. Tennessee. He migrated to virginia, Tennessee, and Kentuckey where he died March 5 1839. ________________________________ From: Brandon Tanner <theletterpi@gmail.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] War of 1812 with Germanna connections? Oh is it limited to Virginia? He is most likely buried in Barren County, KY. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, we have NO Tanners in database for veterans buried in Virginia. There surely must some! > > Craig > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Brandon Tanner wrote: > >> If anyone is interested, Frederick Tanner fought in the War of 1812. I >> have some rolls of this if anyone is interested. >> >> -Brandon Tanner >> >> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Marc Wheat <germanna1714@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> I personally did not know of any, but there is a good discussion of those Germanna people who fought in the "Second War of Independence" on the Germanna Foundation's Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/GermannaFoundation >>> >>> >>> >>> You're missing it! TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There is still room for anyone wishing to attend the Germanna Research Group's Inaugural Conference next Saturday (October 1) at the Graves Mountain Lodge in Madison County, Virginia. Learn about early VA transportation, early 18th century German history, Holtzclaw/Hoffman families in Madison County, what is under the rafters at the Hebron Lutheran Church, and slavery in colonial and pre-Civil War Virginia! http://www.germannacolonies.org/GRGConference2011 The agenda kicks off on Saturday morning with Ann Miller, who is an architectural historian with the Virginia Department of Transportation, and a Madison County resident. She will be talking about early transportation in Virginia -- just how did our ancestors get to the grocery store? It is fascinating to learn how early roads were made. I am especially interested in the Blue Ridge Turnpike, known as VA 231, which was built across our ancestors' land. There were a few court cases as well--some of our ancestors did not like having their land taken for roads and would try to block them. But Ann's most interesting story may be about the "turkey runs" where turkey farmers would herd their flocks of birds, wearing little booties, down the Blue Ridge Turnpike to the train station.... Following Ann, John Blankenbaker will speak on the conditions in early 17th century Germany that led our ancestors to travel to the New World. John is well-known to most of you as a historian of the Germanna Colonies and the publisher of "Beyond Germanna" as well as thousands of notes now available on George Durman's website and on the Germanna Research Group's website, www.germannacolonies.org. This is also a topic that continues to fascinate all of us because we hunger to know what happened that would cause our forebears to make such a dramatic and perilous change in their lives, the fateful change that made us Americans. Following a buffet lunch, Suzanne Matson speaks on a topic that you will not have heard anywhere else, about two of the First Colony families who moved to Madison County. Suzanne, from North Carolina, is a DAR officer and a First Colony descendant who has done extensive research in German and colonial records. (She recently co-authored an article with John Blankenbaker which shows that First Colony immigrant Peter Hitt most likely did NOT come from Siegen.) Continuing an apparent trend of First Colony "H" names, she has researched the Hoffman and the Holtzclaws who moved into Madison County with the Second Colonists, and her presentation is titled "Land, Love, or Money?" The final afternoon speakers should be very interesting to any of you whose ancestors worshipped at the Hebron Lutheran Church. We are going to see a film that was made several years ago showing an exploration of the rafters of the 1740 Hebron Lutheran Church, accompanied with a talk by Steve Hoffman of Madison County, who is expert on colonial German woodworking and construction techniques. Steve is a lifelong resident of Madison County and is, of course, a descendant of the afore-mentioned Hoffman family which joined the Second Colony. Accompanying Steve will be Jane Volchansky (my personal 5th cousin) and Judy Ann Fray from the Hebron Lutheran Church, to talk about church renovation needs. Most fascinating and something you will all want to see, they are bringing a 16th century German Bible which was donated to the Hebron Lutheran Church. Also, should you care to join us for country cooking-- a fried chicken, ham or turkey buffet dinner -- we have a keynote speaker on slavery, none other than Bill Barker -- also known as Thomas Jefferson when he dons his acting clothes -- from Williamsburg. Hmm....TJ and slavery... I am looking forward to this, and hope to see those of you who have not signed up yet! Ginnie Nuta
I have Ellison ancestors who were very early settlers in what is now Monroe County, WV. According to some old internet information I have, the Ellison father might have been married to Ann English or Ingles. I haven't investigated them very much. A daughter married Michael Swope/Schwab of Wolf Creek, Monroe County. By any chance could your James Ellison, Jr., be connected? Virginia Nuta -------------------------------------------------- From: <SFD232@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:29 PM To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] KY people and Rev. War > My DAR Patriot is a James Ellison, Jr., who was an Indian scout, and > served > in the Battle of Point Pleasant. I have seen something written to the > effect that the Battle of Point Pleasant was the last battle of the Indian > wars and the first battle of the Revolutionary War. Sarah Yeager > Donaldson > > > In a message dated 9/24/2011 9:49:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > BillT502@aol.com writes: > > What is the source of that statement? > > Bill > Dr. William (Bill) Thomas > > COL (R) USA > Food and Agriculture Defense Specialist > UGA CAES > SAADRA Representative to FASGCC > Upward League Director - Beech Haven Baptist > > 205 Tara Way > Athens GA 30606 > (C) 706 714 5554 > > Have a Blessed Day > > > In a message dated 9/24/2011 6:13:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gneolog@aol.com writes: > > Jesse Thomas served in the Kentucky militia in 1782 with brother Abraham > in Captain Samuel Kirkman's Company. Also serving in this same company > were > William and John Crow, Isaac Lawrence, James Thompson, Jacob Holtzclaw, > William Barbee, Joshua Barbee, and William Fields. > > A payroll of Lincoln Militia under Capt. Samuel Kirkham shows many > Culpeper Co., Virginia names, one of these being Abraham Thomas. After > members of > the Thomas family went to "Pennsylvania", several of them went on to > Kentucky via the Ohio River. Another name in the militia is Jacob > Holtzclaw who > married Susanna Thomas, the cousin of Abraham. Abraham's brother Jesse > appears also on the list. Next to Jacob is William Barbee, born in > Culpeper > Co., who married Mary Smith, daughter of Adam Smith of the Germanna > community. Peter Watts is a fellow private and probably a fellow > Virginian. The > Lieutenant of the company was Henry Grider who married Elizabeth Smith, > daughter of Zachariah Smith and Ann Elizabeth Fishback. There were two > Yager > brothers, Abraham and Cornelius, sons of Nicholas Yager who married > Elisabeth Fisher, daughter of Stephen Fisher. Another possible Culpeper > name is > Crow. The entire company consisted of 52 men and a significant portion > of > it had Culpeper C! > o., VA origins. By John Blankenbaker > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
We're having some e-mail issues in VA, sorry. I'm also behind as I lost all my drives recently. I'm back online now. My own instruction regarding baptism in the Roman Catholic Rites and this is recall from the 50's: There are 3 baptismal occasions: Baptism by Fire - martyred as Christian prior to Baptism by Water -persons might be cathecumens for years before baptism in the early Church. Currently, it takes from 9-12 months. Adult-converting Christians or the unbaptized are only taken into the Church once a year at the Easter Vigil. Baptism by Desire - this is typically 1.) a life threatening circumstance where the proper vessels and water are not available The only example I was given of late was battlefield requests. 2.) the sudden death of an unbaptized person that was a cathecumen seeking baptism may be considered for baptism. Those in conversion stage that have been baptized in another denomination are called candidates. They are considered baptized, if the correct form was observed. The correct form in their case is any water baptism done in the name of the Trinity. 3.) Rare- (known to me in the 50's) A deathbed or death of a non-Catholic spouse or parent when the priest affirms personal knowledge of the relative's expressed intent to join the Church. In this case, if refused by the priest, the family by right of internal forum* might consider the person baptized for burial. This issue no longer exists as the rule changed. Until Vatican II under Pope John, Vinginti Tres, around 1963, Catholics and Protestants we not allowed burial in the same cemetery. Thus, you see the problem for a mixed marriage. (Still frowned upon) Baptism by Water - Catholic rites today-use salt, blessed oils, blessed water by immersion, sprinkling or dipping and only in Triune tradition. Converting Christians from other denominations are re-baptized if they do not have a Triune baptism, which varies among them. Lutherans use a Triune baptism and would not be re-baptized if they have the certificate . All current Catholics should know how to perform a Triune baptism with water if confronted with an emergency. BABIES-The most common emergency would be a dying infant. I think someone discussed the baptism of a number of infants on the same day. Infants could have been ill or feared to fall ill due to pox or flu prompting immediate baptism. For years nurses and doctors, who are or are not Catholic, have performed Triune baptisms with water for dying infants given the mother or the father was Catholic. You would also need to check to see if it was Easter. Healthy babies born close enough to Easter may have been reserved by parents for this ancient honor. Hoping at the same time, the mother could be there. Another possibility is no Reverend was there. Upon arrival of one, all babies born in the interim would be pressing business.END OF BABIES Anyone believed to be dying and is requesting baptism may be baptized with water in Triune form. If one survives such a baptism, the baptism is irritis (imperfect). Then, it would performed by a priest later. * Internal Forum means that a person, having been properly informed about Catholic Dogma, reports to a priest that they do not accept the Church's teaching on a matter. This remains sealed with that priest. Neither are allowed to divulge to others. It is not permitted in the public forum . Members are not obliged to report unless a church practice demands. Members have recorded: Baptism, First Confession, First Communion, Confirmation, any Sacramental Marriage in any denomination and burial rites. Marriages validated by civil authorities have no standing. In Europe many couples choose civil marriage and decide when to make marriage sacramental. Updates stay with your baptismal folder as the official record. If you move, your new parish will want your home parish record and send future pertinent data to that parish. What you run across with priests varies. For instance, some may insist that you not teach, read from the lectern, serve the altar or in leadership. The conservative sees your choice as leaving the public forum. Others never say a word. Still others cherry pick. Members with these notes have double confidentiality. Catholics are obliged to Confess and receive Communion at Easter. A majority no longer confess nor refrain from birth control. A good number seek divorce w/remarriage. Some have abortions. Most receive communion frequently. Democracies have free citizens with more education. They are wired to use rights. Internal forum mirrors rights. You better be ready to meet your Maker. You are cruising against canonical advice. What this generation thinks- hierarchical and magisterial authority are both important. The clergy admit that history repeatedly shows the magisterium (lay people) has often led reform. They perceive this as the Spirit moving among the people. Part of the hierarchical role is to discern when the Spirit has spoken and act to revise. It's too bad this was not understood centuries ago. Martin Luther and his followers would have reformed the Church in a few generations. That's really a short stick in a 2000 years institution. The Papacy may have been different. Without absolute power corruption is less likely. I guess the Church history varies little from its times except, perhaps in its purest form early on. I'm probably being too idealistic. Keep in mind internal forum respects Scripture. You cannot opt out of belief in the Resurrection. Internal forum applies to parts of canonical law. The example of segregated burial illustrates what a Catholic might not accept. Now the Church does allow it. So that internal instinct was accurate. I'm trying to share to shed light on historical and current religious practices. Before Reformation, it is more likely than not some rule is in play. If you feel this is tedious in modern times, it gives you a sense of the absolute control of the Church over all Christians. I have a friend who is a priest. He has studied all over the world for almost 40 years. It's taken that long to master the first 400 hundred years of the Church's history. Many rules abound which I will not share any further. If you should meet a traditional Catholic, please don't challenge them. They have the right (duty in forum) to strictly adhere to Ch urch Dogma. Observe for yourself. Most Catholic Churches have websites, check out some rural ones. If the bulletin is posted, you are not likely to see a priest scheduled to sit in a confessional more than a hour weekly. That will be before Saturday vigil mass and only further by appointment. Ours is down to 30 minutes. We are a small parish that worships only 1000 a week. In large cities, a church might worship 20,000 -30,000 a week. They just schedule masses all day long to serve them all. You might not notice the ratio there. There is no Easter week that I have seen with lines around the blocks. Some of us find that sinful. Others don't. I'm not taking sides. I'm trying to talk about the complexity of delving deep into time, when the Church ruled the World. Performing coronations of kings, selling indulgences and waivers to nobility and so much more, these created a convoluted heritage for us all . We own it because we need to rely on Church records to learn about our families. Regardless of the major issues, most records were people like us. Practices at the local parish were somewhat unchanged. I suspect different priests recorded from minimal to broad details. Our Church has less than 70 years in its new era. We are like a time capsule with clues. Now that we are free to have a dialogue. We all can share things that may help sort out the circumstances of our ancestors. Mother's presence at baptism : I am speculating here based on personal knowledge. Our parish enrolled several immigrant Italian families. These families refrained from a mother at her child's baptism. At that time most infants were baptized within a week. It was rare for an infant to age pass two weeks without the sacrament. The reason the Italian mothers did not attend was the observance of ancient temple law. A woman that is bleeding is unclean. The same applied to their monthly friend. The child is baptized with a patron saint's name (the Latin root would suggest the father's choice). A male and a female stand in for the parents, known as godparents. A reception is held later. The mother is highly honored and pampered then. The Greek Orthodox and the Roman Rite are the Church. They are brethren that agreed to disagree in 1,000 AD. They still receive each other's members. Not for intercommunication, I mean they accept transfers. Under certain rules, they may transfer clergy. Now you can see why my friend had to travel the world to study the first 400 years. The two could be found on German/Austria borders. The differences might cause a puzzle HISTORY STOPS HERE-PERSONAL STORY AND QUESTIONS FOLLOW When I was a child, I was always addressed by my baptismal name at Church. (In my case, Johanna; French daughters, Joan, etc.) There were no nicknames in our school either. Our given saint's name was it. They weren't concerned with names again until Confirmation. You chose your own patron then and the Bishop called you by your new name. So my full name is Johanna Lore Rita Wilhite Allyn. (St. Rita, patron of the impossible) Two other siblings also chose Rita. My mother says Rita had the best picture. I think "impossible" is in the DNA. Until I joined the list, I didn't think much about these naming patterns. My parents stuck a deal. My father was committed to choosing both names for me. My mother would have the whole name for the next child. Well that didn't happen. He got half of the next child, and the next, and the next. Then a boy arrived and he persuaded both names again. But, this was a true compromise. When the next arrived, my mother's side played the King Solomon card. She finally got her dream. Her special, unique name was in place. How was she to know that a famous name was emerging in the USA, Jacqueline Kennedy. Her precious baby forever would be called Jackie. A new flock of Jackies filled school, camp, etc. rolls. The constant question sang. "Now, which Jackie did that?" Her mother said. Well, at least everyone knows that Jackie is Catholic. What saint is that anyway? Next time I may shed some light on why Cary's Germans appear in far flung places; and, a surprising family tale which, I opine, credits Germans with preservation of the Union. Southerners brace yourselves unless you already know of course. If anyone's on top of these two and has time, jump in. Don"t wait on me. Is this the site where I heard about pig wars? My maternal grandmother had pig rituals that might go back to that. Her grandfather was a humdinger. My mother says. You can tell a German. But, you can't tell them much. So if you're not in the mood to listen, I understand!!! jwa From: "johanna allyn" <johanna.allyn@comcast.net> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:24:47 PM Subject: Baptisms thread
Sorry, this subject made me chuckle. I wonder if it will show on Google. When I saw it, I mused, how many of us would like to remove unwanted family members. It should be so easy as that long page of notes. OK back to on topic threads!!!!
I think I'm getting the hang of this. I've cleaned up and correctly linked the existing people in the family of Jacob Aylor and Frances Sparks. I unlinked the erroneous "Frances Murray" wife and three of the children who were on the data base. The explanation of this given in Beyond Germanna and on the Germanna list years ago, but here is a summary from my notes: _________________ See Germanna Record #12, p. 8. States he was pensioned as a Revolutionary soldier 26 Aug 1833, age 85; and that on 26 FEB 1834 he testified on behalf of Capt. Mark Finks pension application, mentioned his brother-in-law Lt. James Murray (brother of his sister Susannah, though Aylor genealogy confuses this to mean his wife was Frances Murray instead of Frances Sparks) and again gave his age as 85. Six of the nine children ascribed to him in Aylor genealogy were summoned to court 18 OCT 1844: Martin Aylor, Thomas Aylor, Merry Aylor, Bluford Aylor and Polly Aylor Hitt and Rhoda Aylor Wilhoite. Elzey Aylor, a 7th child, died unmarried in 1836. Aaron Aylor, an 8th child, is not proved to have been a son of Jacob and Frances but is otherwise unplaced. A reputed 9th child, Ephraim, is incorrect. Reputed 10th child Nancy m. ----- Wilhoit is likewise incorrect. She was a daughter of Michael Aylor. ________________ Note: I did NOT remove any of these people, I just took them out of this family group. So they are still floating around there somewhere. Yes, it is a bit cumbersome but I thank of all you who have shared the "tricks" to this in learning how to do it properly. Source citations are for now under "description" of death of Jacob Aylor. Craig Kilby
Craig, see citation at http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/h/e/John-M-Wheat/GENE16-0006.html The Fishback genealogy cited is available on Google Books. On Sep 25, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> wrote: Hi all, I am hoping someone can help me verify one of the entries in the War of 1812 Veterans' Burials in Virginia database. It is for Martin Fishback who is said by the U.S. Daughters of the War of 1812 to have married Lucy Amiss, daughter of William and Annie Amiss on 23 MAR 1793. He lived in Jeffersonton and according to the notes, this about about him: Born 1763, died 24 Jan 1842, buried at Fleetwood Cemetery in Jefferston. Service: 2nd Lieutenant, US Army Said to be born, married and died in the same room of his home, "Fleetwood" in Culpeper County. Can anyone verify this marriage or add/delete/comment on the other items? Many thanks, Craig Kilby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hurrah! I followed our new lesson plan and successfully linked Juliana Huffman as the daughter of existing Solomon Huffman and Elizabeth Tanner. She married Simeon Wise in Culpeper County in 1836. Their daughter Caroline E. Wise was the 2nd wife of James F. Kilby. He is my ancestor but she is not. But, her Germanna roots are beyond dispute. By this 2nd marriage (much disapproved of by the Kilbys at the time. Her naming her first son Ulysses S. G. Grant right after the Civil War did not help matters), had 11 children. The older children did not like his uppity usurper who was barely older than they. Yes, I know that Solomon Huffman died in Boone Co., KY in 1830...so what is his daughter Juliana doing back in Culpeper getting married there in 1836? Guess I need more notes on Solomon Huffman and Elizabeth Tanner now. Craig Kilby
Hi all, I am hoping someone can help me verify one of the entries in the War of 1812 Veterans' Burials in Virginia database. It is for Martin Fishback who is said by the U.S. Daughters of the War of 1812 to have married Lucy Amiss, daughter of William and Annie Amiss on 23 MAR 1793. He lived in Jeffersonton and according to the notes, this about about him: Born 1763, died 24 Jan 1842, buried at Fleetwood Cemetery in Jefferston. Service: 2nd Lieutenant, US Army Said to be born, married and died in the same room of his home, "Fleetwood" in Culpeper County. Can anyone verify this marriage or add/delete/comment on the other items? Many thanks, Craig Kilby
Dear Germanna descendants, There was a question about which Kentuckians may have been participants in the American Revolution. DAR indicates the dates of the American Revolution dated from Lexington, MA (April 1775 the ride of Paul Revere, as I remember) to the Treaty of Paris, which took place in late 1783. I do not currently have the DAR booklet which specifies the proper dates. It may be on the DAR webpage (and is given below in my quote from Dr. George K. Schweitzer).. However, I found my Pennsylvania-born German, but living in Kentucky, patriot, in some of the papers of George Rogers Clark. There is a book published some years back by Marjorie Harding entitled George Rogers Clark and his men: Military records, 1778-1784. I recollect it was published by the Kentucky Historical Society. (Amazon has it listed for a price of $144.) My ancestor was not only a hunter (to supply meat for the men) but also a spie [sic]. Wiki has a list of battles fought in Kentucky, but I don't recall these listed battles were with Tories but with the native Americans. (Remember, wiki is put together by the likes of you and me and not ordinarily by a professional, who probably would want to copyright any of his/her works.) Although a hard copy of this book about George Rogers Clark military records will cost a good deal from Amazon, if you are near an LDS Family History Center, you can find that the catalog lists this book by Margery Harding and it has been microfiched. Each microfiche costs 15 cents apiece when ordered though your local FHC, and most FHCs retain the fiche in their files. Although I have heard that some small rural FH centers allow the patron to take the fiche home (but not the fiche reader) because they have no storage space for the fiche. There are three microfiche and the number is 6050443. While prowling the shelves of my FHC some years go, I found a book entitled Illinois Papers [of George Rogers Clark], published by the Illinois Historical Society I believe.] When I told a skilled reseacher of this book, she told me it was a rare book. Dr. George K. Schweitzer, in his paperback book entitled Kentucky Genealogical Research [Knoxville, TN: Published by author, 1983] under the heading Military Records: Revolutionary War, writes: *The Revolutionary War was fought before KY became a state--that is, in the years 1775-83. During this time what is now KY was a part of VA. Since the area which is now KY was quite sparsely populated during these years, very few *Kentuckians* actually fought in the Revolution.* He goes on to say how quickly Kentucky filled with veterans of the Revolution, however, in later years, and he gives a rather extensive bibliography, but does not include Ms. Harding's book, which may have been published at about the time Dr. Schweitzer's book was published. Anyway, your Revolutionary War veteran may be hiding in some obscure record, and you may have to consult with a professional librarian to help you find an adequate source. More and more military information of all kinds is being digitized, and you may have to sharpen your hunting skills. (I personally find google is a great help. I may type in a place or a surname with the words *family* and *+ genealogy* and frequently find SOMETHING--maybe not detailed enough, but something ...) You may find an old paperback by Allen Eckert entitled something like The Frontiersmen, which used the Draper Manuscripts (Kentucky Papers) as much of his source material. He tells of many battles--but again, not with the Tories. Eckert's work is fictionalized, but I used his citations of Draper MSS to track down some of my early Kentucky ancestors and found some gold mines of info, but I did have to squint a lot, as much/most of Draper's collections are in faded handwriting, which the old film does not enhance. Many Universities have the multiple films of the Draper Manuscripts. Ask around your State--or search their online catalogs. The Family History Library in Salt Lake City also has the films of this collection--which are like multiple scrap books with recorded interviews with descendants of the pioneers. E.W.Wallace
My DAR Patriot is a James Ellison, Jr., who was an Indian scout, and served in the Battle of Point Pleasant. I have seen something written to the effect that the Battle of Point Pleasant was the last battle of the Indian wars and the first battle of the Revolutionary War. Sarah Yeager Donaldson In a message dated 9/24/2011 9:49:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, BillT502@aol.com writes: What is the source of that statement? Bill Dr. William (Bill) Thomas COL (R) USA Food and Agriculture Defense Specialist UGA CAES SAADRA Representative to FASGCC Upward League Director - Beech Haven Baptist 205 Tara Way Athens GA 30606 (C) 706 714 5554 Have a Blessed Day In a message dated 9/24/2011 6:13:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gneolog@aol.com writes: Jesse Thomas served in the Kentucky militia in 1782 with brother Abraham in Captain Samuel Kirkman's Company. Also serving in this same company were William and John Crow, Isaac Lawrence, James Thompson, Jacob Holtzclaw, William Barbee, Joshua Barbee, and William Fields. A payroll of Lincoln Militia under Capt. Samuel Kirkham shows many Culpeper Co., Virginia names, one of these being Abraham Thomas. After members of the Thomas family went to "Pennsylvania", several of them went on to Kentucky via the Ohio River. Another name in the militia is Jacob Holtzclaw who married Susanna Thomas, the cousin of Abraham. Abraham's brother Jesse appears also on the list. Next to Jacob is William Barbee, born in Culpeper Co., who married Mary Smith, daughter of Adam Smith of the Germanna community. Peter Watts is a fellow private and probably a fellow Virginian. The Lieutenant of the company was Henry Grider who married Elizabeth Smith, daughter of Zachariah Smith and Ann Elizabeth Fishback. There were two Yager brothers, Abraham and Cornelius, sons of Nicholas Yager who married Elisabeth Fisher, daughter of Stephen Fisher. Another possible Culpeper name is Crow. The entire company consisted of 52 men and a significant portion of it had Culpeper C! o., VA origins. By John Blankenbaker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
George Rogers Clark and his Men, Military Records, 1778 - 1784. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Document 75, 17 August - 25 August 1782 A Pay Role for Captain Samual Kirkham's Company of Lincoln County Militia under the command of Colonel Benjamin Logan. A burying of the dead at the Blue Lick and in the battle, August 19th 1782. Samuel Kirkham*, Captain - discharged Aug 25. William Givens, Lieutenant - killed August 19, 1782 William Crow*, Ensign - discharged Aug 25. Privates killed in action Aug. 19: Henry Miller, John Fry, Ezekial Field, John Jolly. Privates discharged Aug. 22: Jacob Coplin, Henry Grider, John Sellers, Jonathan Drake, Absolom Yagar, William Barbey, George Scott, James McConnell, Charles Spillman, Edward Dougherty, George Wilson, Isaac Romain, Samuel Brenton, William Brenton, Robert Brenton, James Brenton, John Brenton, Patrick Sheilds, Jacob Spears, Joseph Wilson, John Harris, James Thompson, George Yant, James Fisher, Samuel Jack, Abraham Thomas, Elisha Scott, William Steel, Stephen Archer, Ash Emerson. Privates discharged Aug 25: William Fields*, Samuel Lawrence*, Soloman Lawrence*, John Reed*. Journel of Western Commissioners, November 1, 1782 - July 1, 1783 March 26, 1783 - Capt Samuel Kirkham's Pay Roll from the 17th of August untill the 25th 1782 entered and bundled as above - It appears that Capt. Kirkham in his Pay Roll ought to receive pay as a Captain for six days and the Pay of an Ensign for three days. The men in his Pay Roll returned for three days were killed at the Battle of the Blue Licks, but their families & friends are in Kentucky. *Note - Capt. Kirkham, with five of his company, returned to the battle ground to bury the dead on the August 24, 1782 where they burried 43 of the killed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Document 79, 22 October - 23 November, 1782. Pay Roll of Lincoln Militia under Captain Samuel Kirkham on actual Service on an Expedition against the enemy Indians under General George R. Clark. Samuel Kirkham, Captain Henry Grider, Lieutenant William Crow, Ensign George Cambell, Sergeant Daniel Brown, Sergeant James Fisher, Sergeant John Crow, Adjutant James Thompson, T.H. Master Privates: Joseph Wilson, John Sellars, Josiah Boone, Jeremiah Boone, James Stephenson, Samuel Lawrence, Isaac Lawrence, Soloman Lawrence, Joseph Lawrence, William Gracey, Benjamin White, George Wilson, George Reading, Edward Dougherty, Samuel Brenton, William Brenton, Adam Brenton, Robert Brenton, James Brenton, John Brenton, Edward Taylor, William Stone, Nicholas Pix, Jesse Thomas, Abraham Thomas, Jacob Holsclaw, William Barba, John Barba, Joshua Barba, William Kenn, William Fields, George Yunt, John Harris, Peter Watts, Robert Foreman, Moses Cherry, Ash Emerson, Absalom Yagar, Cornelias Yagar, Stephen Archer, Jacob Crow, Levi Scott, Isaac Romaine, Elisha Scott. Note: Abraham Thomas and Peter Watts were such good friends that Abraham named one of his sons, Peter Watts Thomas -----Original Message----- From: BillT502 <BillT502@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 24, 2011 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] KY people and Rev. War What is the source of that statement? Bill Dr. William (Bill) Thomas
What is the source of that statement? Bill Dr. William (Bill) Thomas COL (R) USA Food and Agriculture Defense Specialist UGA CAES SAADRA Representative to FASGCC Upward League Director - Beech Haven Baptist 205 Tara Way Athens GA 30606 (C) 706 714 5554 Have a Blessed Day In a message dated 9/24/2011 6:13:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gneolog@aol.com writes: Jesse Thomas served in the Kentucky militia in 1782 with brother Abraham in Captain Samuel Kirkman's Company. Also serving in this same company were William and John Crow, Isaac Lawrence, James Thompson, Jacob Holtzclaw, William Barbee, Joshua Barbee, and William Fields. A payroll of Lincoln Militia under Capt. Samuel Kirkham shows many Culpeper Co., Virginia names, one of these being Abraham Thomas. After members of the Thomas family went to "Pennsylvania", several of them went on to Kentucky via the Ohio River. Another name in the militia is Jacob Holtzclaw who married Susanna Thomas, the cousin of Abraham. Abraham's brother Jesse appears also on the list. Next to Jacob is William Barbee, born in Culpeper Co., who married Mary Smith, daughter of Adam Smith of the Germanna community. Peter Watts is a fellow private and probably a fellow Virginian. The Lieutenant of the company was Henry Grider who married Elizabeth Smith, daughter of Zachariah Smith and Ann Elizabeth Fishback. There were two Yager brothers, Abraham and Cornelius, sons of Nicholas Yager who married Elisabeth Fisher, daughter of Stephen Fisher. Another possible Culpeper name is Crow. The entire company consisted of 52 men and a significant portion of it had Culpeper C! o., VA origins. By John Blankenbaker
This one should cover him -- <smile> Take care. Marilyn Jesse Thomas served in the Kentucky militia in 1782 with brother Abraham in Captain Samuel Kirkman's Company. Also serving in this same company were William and John Crow, Isaac Lawrence, James Thompson, Jacob Holtzclaw, William Barbee, Joshua Barbee, and William Fields. A payroll of Lincoln Militia under Capt. Samuel Kirkham shows many Culpeper Co., Virginia names, one of these being Abraham Thomas. After members of the Thomas family went to "Pennsylvania", several of them went on to Kentucky via the Ohio River. Another name in the militia is Jacob Holtzclaw who married Susanna Thomas, the cousin of Abraham. Abraham's brother Jesse appears also on the list. Next to Jacob is William Barbee, born in Culpeper Co., who married Mary Smith, daughter of Adam Smith of the Germanna community. Peter Watts is a fellow private and probably a fellow Virginian. The Lieutenant of the company was Henry Grider who married Elizabeth Smith, daughter of Zachariah Smith and Ann Elizabeth Fishback. There were two Yager brothers, Abraham and Cornelius, sons of Nicholas Yager who married Elisabeth Fisher, daughter of Stephen Fisher. Another possible Culpeper name is Crow. The entire company consisted of 52 men and a significant portion of it had Culpeper Co., VA origins. By John Blankenbaker
Suzanne, Indeed! Just ask George Washington! I really like the book that Marilyn cites, however. On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Suzanne Matson wrote: > Lord Dunmore's War is not considered part of the Revolutionary War and service in that war does not qualify for RW Service. > > Service in Lord Dunmore's War does not preclude later service in the Revolutionary War. > > Suzanne Collins Matson > > --- On Sat, 9/24/11, gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > >> From: gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> >> Subject: [GERMANNA] Rev. War >> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com >> Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 8:48 PM >> I am collecting War of 1812 notes to >> send and came across this one from the Rev. War. >> >> We know that we have Michael Thomas, son of Johannes and >> his son Abraham who served. This is another son of >> Michael's. >> >> In November, 1775, Jesse Thomas was paid for his services >> in the Lord Dunmore War, serving under Colonel John >> Fields. Included in this company were Christopher >> Barlow, George Hupp, Lewis Garr, Mathias Broyle, Bernard >> Fisher, Samuel Blankenbaker, and John Broyle. (Source: >> Lord Dunmore’s Little War of 1774, by Skidmore and >> Kaminsky p.87) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Col. John Field from Culpeper was KBI (sources say on Oct. 10 1774)--under Cornstalk at Point Pleasant in Dunmore's War. Will dated 21 Aug. 1774, proved 15 May 1775, Culpeper Co. He qualified as a DAR ancestor when I was doing supplementals. J. Watkins ________________________________ From: "gneolog@aol.com" <gneolog@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, September 24, 2011 3:48:15 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Rev. War I am collecting War of 1812 notes to send and came across this one from the Rev. War. We know that we have Michael Thomas, son of Johannes and his son Abraham who served. This is another son of Michael's. In November, 1775, Jesse Thomas was paid for his services in the Lord Dunmore War, serving under Colonel John Fields. Included in this company were Christopher Barlow, George Hupp, Lewis Garr, Mathias Broyle, Bernard Fisher, Samuel Blankenbaker, and John Broyle. (Source: Lord Dunmore’s Little War of 1774, by Skidmore and Kaminsky p.87) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am collecting War of 1812 notes to send and came across this one from the Rev. War. We know that we have Michael Thomas, son of Johannes and his son Abraham who served. This is another son of Michael's. In November, 1775, Jesse Thomas was paid for his services in the Lord Dunmore War, serving under Colonel John Fields. Included in this company were Christopher Barlow, George Hupp, Lewis Garr, Mathias Broyle, Bernard Fisher, Samuel Blankenbaker, and John Broyle. (Source: Lord Dunmore’s Little War of 1774, by Skidmore and Kaminsky p.87)