Those subscribers who have access through their local Public Library (or a neighboring library--or a State library) to the online database called HeritageQuest will find some useful information if your Germanna ancestors (or their relatives) stayed in Virginia after the Revolution--or at least stayed in Culpeper Co. Here is a digitized book, with many slaves with names, also listed. Norris, Mary Boldridge Property tax list of Culpeper County, Virginia: and names of slaves, 1783 Raleigh, NC: unknown, 1936, 29 pgs. I was pleased to see at least one Kamper (without slaves). I wonder what generation he may have been considering this tax list was taken after the Revolution. Incidentally, you may find a widow or two, one with her taxable son. (I don't know what age that son would have been to be taxable AFTER the Revolution. The experts of Virginia genealogy say that prior to the Revolution, males of 16 years were eligible for the militia--and probably counted as tithables.) Perhaps some subscriber can enlighten us. Widows, I understand, were generally exempt, and an aged male may also be exempt from taxes. We need some enlightenment here also. E.W.Wallace If this book appears on google.books, please advise. Then it will have a larger audience.
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Added two surveys for land in PA and the events that I have sources for on Everhard Hupp -- to his page. Take care. Marilyn
I added a picture of the survey of Bomgardner which Jesse Bomgarden inherited (on Michael Thomas, son of Johannes, page)-- where Michael Thomas had his plantation on this survey and which joined the land of Everhart and Margaret Thomas Hupp, the daughter of Michael. I wish I knew why Michael lived there -- if there was any relationship at all-- or what the deal was. The photo description mentions the survey of Everhart Hupp but I have not uploaded that yet. Love working in these land patents. So thankful they are online. Take care. Marilyn
I hope to spend some time in PA records on my next trip to SLC. Would love to know of other Germanna families or those from Culpeper to the ten mile creek area of Pa. It takes alot of research because the land changed hands so many times. While I am looking for my Thomas, Hupp, Debolt, Christler, Smith families, I'll be glad to look for anyone else. Here is a look at the areas that were involved in the development of western PA. If you have already researched your family in this area, it would be so very helpful if you could share it with me in the hopes of connecting some of my dots. I learned yesterday that Jesse Baumgarden mentioned with Michael Thomas in that area -- was actually a Clore descendant. (Do I have that right, Cathi?) Take care. Marilyn Here is a little background on the area -- again not easy to research. Michael Thomas has events in almost every item in the history list. Does anyone else? Anyone else have any clarifying facts about this area of PA or ideas for research? IMPORTANT EVENTS IN WASHINGTON COUNTYBEFORE 1800 by Raymond Martin Bell 1769 Land office openedfor applications 1771 Bedford Countyformed 1773 Westmoreland Countyformed from Bedford 1774 Dunmore'sWar against the Indians 1775 West AugustaDistrict of Virginiaformed, including present Washington County 1776 Yohogania, Monongaliaand Ohio Countiesformed from West Augusta Pennsylvania land office closed. 1777 Militia organized Indian attacksbegin 1779 Virginia issues land certificates 1780 Virginia makes land surveys 1781 Washington Countyformed from Westmoreland, includes present Washington, Greene and southernAllegheny Virginia jurisdiction ends 1782 Registration ofslaves required 1784 Land officereopened 1788 Registration ofslave children required >From James Veach's The Monongahela of Old or HistoricalSketches of Southwestern Pennsylvania to the Year 1800 (Pittsburgh, 1910edition) In 1772, and until WestmorelandCounty was established in 1773, Bedford Countyencompassed all of southwestern Pennsylvania. All of present Fayette County - east of astraight line from the mouth of Redstone to the mouth of Jacob's Creek -consisted of two townships, Springhill and Tyrone. Here, the division line wasRedstone Creek, from its mouth to where it was crossed by Burd's Road, and fromBurd's Road to Gist's, then Braddock's Road to the Great Crossing. The counties of Greene and Washington, west of Fayette, wereevidently included in Springhill. History of Bedford Co., PA Spring Hill Twp, Beginning at themouth of Red Stone Creek and running thence a Due west course to the WesternBoundary of the Province, thence south with the Province line to the SouthernBoundary of the Province, then East with that line to where it crosses theYoughiogeny, then with the Youghiogeny to Laurel Hill, then with the line ofTyrone to Gist's and thence with that line to the beginning. Virginia Land Grants in Pennsylvania by Raymond M. Bell Southwestern Pennsylvania was claimed by both Pennsylvania and Virginiaat the time of the Revolution. Pennsylvaniabegan giving land grants in 1769. This came to an end about 1774, when thedispute with Virginiaheightened. In 1779 and 1780, Virginiagranted land certificates to settlers in the disputed territory. Nearly 830 were granted in what is now Pennsylvania. The certificates (mostly for400 acres) listed the name of the applicant, date of certificate, date ofsettlement and location (generally by name of stream). After the boundarydispute was settled Pennsylvaniaresumed land grants about 1784. Two types of grants were made: those based onVirginia Certificates, which were honored by Pennsylvaniaif there was no prior claim, and those granted directly based on Pennsylvania claims. In 1776, Virginia had set up three counties: Yohogania,north of a line drawn from Follansbee to Washington to Brownsville toUniontown: Ohio, south of Yohogania and west of a fine drawn from Washingtonslightly southwest, and Monongalia, south of Yohogania and east of Ohio [thesethree counties made up the District of West Augusta]. In granting certificates to settlers in these counties in1779 and 1780, Virginiarequired the settlers to list the bona fide date of settlement on the land. Monongahela River, which flows through the eastern part of Washington County,rises in Randolph County, Virginia,at the foot of the Laurel Mountain, and flowing northwardly for about threehundred miles, empties into the Allegheny River at Pittsburghand forms the Ohio. It is nearly four hundred yards wide at itsmouth, and is navigable for light boats sixty miles, to West Brownsville, in this county, and for small boats nearly twohundred miles from its mouth. Its principal tributaries are the Youghioghenyand Cheat rivers, which enter into it on the east side, but on the west side,in Washington County, are TENMILE CREEK, Pigeon Creek, Baker and Fish Plotruns, Pike Run, South Fork and Maple Fork, Mingo Creek.
Yes Marilyn, that is correct. His mother was a Clore. :>) ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Germanna people in PA I learned yesterday that Jesse Baumgarden mentioned with Michael Thomas in that area -- was actually a Clore descendant. (Do I have that right, Cathi?) Take care. Marilyn >
Many thanks to Verna for helping me put Rosina Garr in the right family tree -- and to Cathi Clore Frost-- for having the info online to help me untangle my puzzle. I took Rosina (who married Christler) out as a child of John Adam Garr and added her back in as his sister. This is all in my files only. I don't touch these other families on the master page -- and for good reason. <smile> Thanks for double checking my tree. Take care. Marilyn
I have a James M Hiser born 1860 cass co, MO. could this be the same one. ________________________________ From: "barberrey@comcast.net" <barberrey@comcast.net> To: germanna-bounces <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Hiser (Under (GERMANNA0 War of 1812 with Germanna connections Alice: Resources given for my Heizer Family: 1)Heizer, James Marion, The Heizer Family - American Pioneers, privately published ca 1970 - Louisville, KY I got this from the "State Historical Society of Wisconsin" 816 State Street Madison WI 53706 You can order a copy of the Index, and of the Descendancy Chart by J. J. Heizer of Samuel Heizer p g 86-90 through Interlibrary Loan at your local library. There are some errors (as always). 2)Heizer, Glenwood Franklin, "My Branch of The Heizer Family from the German Palatinate to British North America Pa Va Tx 1726 - 1900 The author put the beginnings of what ended up as this book on Rootsweb ?2005. It may still be there. Otherwise, I have a copy of the book, but cannot find your Sarah Fancher listed in it.. There ae many spellings of ths name - even Pastor Muhlenburg< Old Trappe Shurch, in Skippack, PA spelled it at least 5 ways. Heyser, Hyser, Hiser, Heiser, Heizer, Haeuser are some of the more common ones. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Holt" <mholt45@yahoo.com> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:34:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] War of 1812 with Germanna connections? I need help finding some of my Greman Ancesters. I am trying to find the father of John Hiser born in Pennsylvania in 1759 or 1760. I am not sure when they came over I think early 1700. John married Sarah Fancher Feb 3 1792 in Knox Co. Tennessee. He migrated to virginia, Tennessee, and Kentuckey where he died March 5 1839. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This appeared on another rootsweb list to which I subscribe. It contains a surname for a second great-grandmother!!! This is part of the brief message: If you have been waiting for a sale from Familytreedna, they have announced a 36 hour special starting today. My own suggestion: If there is already a rootsweb list for your main surname to which you subscribe, I subscribe you contact the administrator. Then make up your mind whether you want to spend the money. I submitted a sample for what is called autosomal DNA. I don't understand ALL I should, but the webmistress is quite interested in the results which I also submitted with an *ahnentafel* [German for ancestor table]. With my Dad's lineage, I have many colonial Southern ancestors, many of whom, of course intermarried. She is busy analyzing and linking my DNA with others who are already subscribers. (Of course, it is a English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh common surname!) At my age, I thought, Why not? E.W.Wallace
Getting ready to add these notes to Wolff Michael Kaiffer -- does anyone have anything to add or subtract or correct before I do so? County records 1: September01, 1722, Spotsylvania Co., VA defendant against Alex. Spottswood- action ofdebt- pleaded nil debit- referred to next court Order Bk part 1 pg 9 County records 2: September1725, Spotsylvania Co., VA defendant against Alex. Spottswood for 11-15-4. Incustody of Thomas Chew, sheriff. Found for plaintiff 1-14-8. Order Bk part 2 pg135 County records 3: April 02,1742, Orange Co., VA witnessed deed from Michael Cook to Christopher Crigler inLittle Fork DB 5 pg 231 County records 4: October26, 1743, Orange Co., VA Took inventory along with George Utz of the estate ofJohn Nicholas Blankenbaker - Total value 39-6-0 WB 1 pge 509 County records 5: May 23,1744, Orange Co., VA Took inventory along with Michael Cook and Michael Smithof the estate of George Teator- Total value 32-10-0 WB 1 pg 236 County records 6: March 26,1747, Orange Co., VA Witnessed will of Henry Schneider along with Michael Smithand Andrew Garr WB 2 pg 106 Land Purchase 1: June 24,1726, Spotsylvania Co., VA patent for 400 acres in St. George Parish on firstfork of Rapiddan River Patent Bk 12 pg 429 Land Purchase 2: July 14,1735, Orange Co., VA from Timothy Johnson, 100 acres on S., Side of Island Run.Witness Wm. Phllips, Joseph Hawkins, John Bransford. DB 1 pg 67 Land Sale 1: February 06,1739/40, Orange Co., VA " of St. Mark's Parish" to Adam Garr, 100acres on S. side of Island Run Witnessed by Wm. Henderson, Thomas Wayland, Wm CrosthwaiteDB 3 pg 384 Land Sale 2: January 20,1762, Culpeper Co., VA for 5 shillings, for love and fatherly affection to sonin law and daughter, Nicholas and Margaret Crigler 100 acres on fork ofRobinson and Rappidan Rivers - part of originalpatent DB C pg 646-648 Land Sale 3: January 30,1762, Culpeper Co., VA for 5 shillings, for love and fatherly affection to sonin law and daughter, George and Mary Utz 100 acres in fork of Robinson and Rappidan Rivers -- part of original patent DB Cpg 644-646 Land Sale 4: January 30,1762, Culpeper Co., VA for 5 shillings, for love and fatherly affection to sonin law and daughter, John and Dorothy Clore- 100 acres in fork of Robinson andRappidan Rivers- part of original patent DB C pge 640-642 Land Sale 5: January 30,1762, Culpeper Co., VA for 5 shillings, for love and fatherly affection, to sonin law and daughter, John and Barbary Weaver- 100 acres in fork of Robinson andRappidan Rivers, part of original patent DB C pg642-644 Tax records: 1739, OrangeCo., VA Anthony Strother's Quarter Will Probate: November 17,1768, Culpeper Co., VA names daughters, Elizabeth (Adam Garr), Barbara, Mary,Margaret, Dorothy and 4 Thomas stepchildren WB A pg 467 Will Written: December 28,1762, Culpeper Co., VA -- "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas,Michael Thomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, and Margaret, wife of HanryColler” (Oyler)
Going back one more generations to connect the dots between Kaifer/Thomas/Blackenbaker families. Do I have this correct? Take care. M Only showing lines that connect back to Johannes and Anna Maria Blackenbaker Thomas. Am I missing any connections? Descendants of Wolfgang Käffer 1 Wolfgang Käffer ... 2 Wolff Michael Kaifer b: 1685 in Ansbach County, Mittelfranken ....... +Anna Maria Blankenbühler b: May 05, 1687 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany m: Aft. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia d: Bef. December 28, 1762 in Culpeper County, Virginia Father: Hans Thomas Blankenbühler Mother: Anna Barbara Schöne ........ 3 Elizabeth Kaifer b: Abt. 1722 ............ +John Adam Garr m: February 05, 1738/39 in Culpeper County, Virginia .............. 4 Mary Magdalena Garr d: Aft. October 1817 .................. +Stephen Fisher d: Abt. October 1817 Father: Lewis Fisher Mother: Anna Barbara Blankenbühler .............. 4 Rosanna Garr .................. +Johann Theobold Christler ................... 5 Michael Christler b: December 17, 1752 in Culpeper County, Virginia d: November 29, 1836 in Beaver County, Pennsylvania ....................... +Anna Maria Thomas b: Abt. 1752 in Culpeper County, Virginia m: August 10, 1779 in Probably Fayette County, Pennsylvania d: February 12, 1831 in Beaver County, Pennsylvania Father: Michael THOMAS Mother: Catherine/Possibly Wayland .................... 5 Henry Christler ....................... +Elizabeth Weaver ......................... 6 [2] Jemima Christler ............................. +[1] Thomas Blankenbaker b: January 02, 1762 in Culpeper County, Virginia Father: Jacob Blankenbühler/Blankenbaker Mother: Mary Barbara Thomas ................... 5 John George Christler b: Abt. 1738 in Orange County, Virginia d: April 13, 1818 in Madison County, Virginia ....................... +Anna Magdalena Smith b: Abt. 1751 in Culpeper County, Virginia m: Abt. 1767 in Culpeper County, Virginia d: January 10, 1824 in Madison County, Virginia Father: John Michael SMITH, Jr. Mother: Anna Magdalena THOMA/THOMAS ... 2 Appolonia Käffer ....... +Hans Nicholas Blankenbühler b: Abt. 1681 in Neuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany m: May 06, 1714 in Neuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany d: 1743 in Orange County, Virginia Father: Hans Thomas Blankenbühler Mother: Anna Barbara Schöne ........ 3 Jacob Blankenbühler/Blankenbaker b: January 18, 1724/25 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia d: January 02, 1801 in Jefferson County, Kentucky ............ +Mary Barbara Thomas b: 1733 in Orange County, Virginia d: Bef. 1785 in Culpeper County, Virginia Father: Hans (John) Wendel THOMA/Thomas Mother: Mary .............. 4 [1] Thomas Blankenbaker b: January 02, 1762 in Culpeper County, Virginia .................. +[2] Jemima Christler Father: Henry Christler Mother: Elizabeth Weaver ........ 3 Ursula Blankenbühler ............ +John Zimmerman .............. 4 Elizabeth Zimmerman .................. +Joseph Holtzclaw b: January 06, 1734/35 in Prince William County, Virginia m: Bef. November 12, 1770 d: January 24, 1835 in Madison County, Virginia Father: Jacob Holtzclaw Sr NOTE: His first marriage was to Mary THOMAS, daughter of Hans and Mary.
Just wondering if anyone could flesh out any of these people OR if you knew of any other lines from Michael and Anna Maria Blankenbaker Thomas Kaiffer family who connected back to the Thomas line. Let me know of any errors, please. Take care, Marilyn Descendants of Wolff Michael Kaifer 1 Wolff Michael Kaifer b: 1685 in Ansbach County, Mittelfranken . +Anna Maria Blankenbühler b: May 05, 1687 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany m: Aft. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia d: Bef. December 28, 1762 in Culpeper County, Virginia Father: Hans Thomas Blankenbühler Mother: Anna Barbara Schöne ... 2 Elizabeth Kaifer b: Abt. 1722 ....... +John Adam Garr m: February 05, 1738/39 in Culpeper County, Virginia ........ 3 Rosanna Garr ............ +Johann Theobold Christler .............. 4 Michael Christler b: December 17, 1752 in Culpeper County, Virginia d: November 29, 1836 in Beaver County, Pennsylvania .................. +Anna Maria Thomas b: Abt. 1752 in Culpeper County, Virginia m: August 10, 1779 in Probably Fayette County, Pennsylvania d: February 12, 1831 in Beaver County, Pennsylvania Father: Michael THOMAS Mother: Catherine/Possibly Wayland .............. 4 Henry Christler .................. +Elizabeth Weaver ................... 5 Jemima Christler ....................... +Thomas Blankenbaker b: January 02, 1762 in Culpeper County, Virginia Father: Jacob Blankenbühler/Blankenbaker Mother: Mary Barbara THOMAS .............. 4 John George Christler b: Abt. 1738 in Orange County, Virginia d: April 13, 1818 in Madison County, Virginia .................. +Anna Magdalena Smith b: Abt. 1751 in Culpeper County, Virginia m: Abt. 1767 in Culpeper County, Virginia d: January 10, 1824 in Madison County, Virginia Father: John Michael SMITH, Jr. Mother: Anna Magdalena THOMA/THOMAS
I am excited to make this connection -- maybe we could move the discussion to Germans-VA at Rootsweb since the Swopes/Schwabs were German. Of course you are also saying there is a significant Germanna presence in Monroe County, as well. Maybe some of the other Ellison children married Germanna people? Anyway, according to the undocumented information I collected, your James Ellison, Jr., would be the brother to my ancestress Mary Eleanor Ellison, who married Michael Swope. According to family legend, Michael Swope was a spy with Francis Marion. But unlike me, you have some documented information! I have James Ellison m. Ann English (I had the Addis name but did not know why). The children I have listed were my ancestor Mary Eleanor, b. 1755, Burlington Co., NJ, James Isaac Ellison, who must be your ancestor, John L. Ellison m. Ann Frances Paul, Joseph Ellison, Asa Ellison, b. 1762 in Burlington Co., NJ, Anne Ellison, Ruth Ellison, and Marcey Ellison. Virginia -------------------------------------------------- From: <SFD232@aol.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:22 AM To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] KY people and Rev. War > James Ellison, Jr. is my DAR patriot. His father was James Ellison I > m.Ann English Addis (widow of Thomas Addis). James I and Ann English had > several children. They moved from N.J. to what is now West Virginia. I > don't > know if it is appropriate to get into much of a detailed discussion on > this > site, but there was at least one marriage to a Swope - in my information > there is a note that a descendant of John L, son of James I and Ann > English, > a Nancy b. 1827 m. David Swope - no date. I strongly suspect the > Ellisons > of New Jersy are connected to those in West Virginia. > > > In a message dated 9/25/2011 7:40:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > vrnuta@verizon.net writes: > > I have Ellison ancestors who were very early settlers . . . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Alice: Resources given for my Heizer Family: 1)Heizer, James Marion, The Heizer Family - American Pioneers, privately published ca 1970 - Louisville, KY I got this from the "State Historical Society of Wisconsin" 816 State Street Madison WI 53706 You can order a copy of the Index, and of the Descendancy Chart by J. J. Heizer of Samuel Heizer p g 86-90 through Interlibrary Loan at your local library. There are some errors (as always). 2)Heizer, Glenwood Franklin, "My Branch of The Heizer Family from the German Palatinate to British North America Pa Va Tx 1726 - 1900 The author put the beginnings of what ended up as this book on Rootsweb ?2005. It may still be there. Otherwise, I have a copy of the book, but cannot find your Sarah Fancher listed in it.. There ae many spellings of ths name - even Pastor Muhlenburg< Old Trappe Shurch, in Skippack, PA spelled it at least 5 ways. Heyser, Hyser, Hiser, Heiser, Heizer, Haeuser are some of the more common ones. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Holt" <mholt45@yahoo.com> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:34:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] War of 1812 with Germanna connections? I need help finding some of my Greman Ancesters. I am trying to find the father of John Hiser born in Pennsylvania in 1759 or 1760. I am not sure when they came over I think early 1700. John married Sarah Fancher Feb 3 1792 in Knox Co. Tennessee. He migrated to virginia, Tennessee, and Kentuckey where he died March 5 1839.
James Ellison, Jr. is my DAR patriot. His father was James Ellison I m.Ann English Addis (widow of Thomas Addis). James I and Ann English had several children. They moved from N.J. to what is now West Virginia. I don't know if it is appropriate to get into much of a detailed discussion on this site, but there was at least one marriage to a Swope - in my information there is a note that a descendant of John L, son of James I and Ann English, a Nancy b. 1827 m. David Swope - no date. I strongly suspect the Ellisons of New Jersy are connected to those in West Virginia. In a message dated 9/25/2011 7:40:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vrnuta@verizon.net writes: I have Ellison ancestors who were very early settlers . . .
This is great, Craig, and I'm glad that I could help! Yes, Martin Fishback donated the land for the Academy, it's on his property, behind his house in Jeffersonton. The house is huge, 4000 sq ft on 3 acres. It's located across the street from Fleetwood, then there's another Fishback house across the street from Martin's house, but I can't remember who's it is right now. And, the Harman Fishback house is located on the 229, it's called "Hebron." I will have to get Martin's War of 1812 information, too, we are compiling a database of Germanna descendants that served in that war for the Germanna Foundation. Barb Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:46:24 -0400 From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Martin Fishbach and Lucy Amiss To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <876DDF65-827E-4C10-9012-A94AA74579E0@craigkilby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Barbara, Thank you. We are showing his service as a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army, source being _US Army Registrar of Enlistments 1789-1903_. He served from July 1813 to June 1815--nearly the entire duration of the conflict. We also note that he donated land and buildings to the Jefferston academy. We did not have the RW service in his notes, which is surprising because the man leading this whole project is very conscientious about this, and his home chapter is the Minutemen chapter in Culpeper, and he was undoubtedly at the ceremony in 2002. In fact, our next project is already underway, and that is a similar book on burials of RW veterans in Virginia. This greatly expands the information done in 2001 known as the JLARC report (Joint Legislative Audit and Review Committee). That report is on line at: http://jlarc.virginia.gov/revwar.htm ______________________________ I will leave the marriage information as it is. Again, many thanks, Craig
I have exact dates of birth and death for these two (among lots of other people <sigh>) with no sources. Not sure if the reference is Holtzclaws book but if so, does anyone know where his info might be recorded as a document anywhere? Take care. Marilyn
Another reference to Peter Watts, friend of Abraham Thomas, and served in military with Holtzclaw and Thomas brothers I don't know why Peter Watts made the claim for Jacob. You could get 400 acres if you raised a crop of corn and then you also were entitled to another 1000 acres. So looks like Jacob raised his corn, claimed his 400 acres and his additional 1000 acres which he sold to Jacob Fishback -- what happened to the other 300 acres after he sold some to Jr.? Take care. Marilyn Deed Book G Microfilm FHL 7811 December 20, 1778 Jacob Holtzclaw 400 acres on the East side of Dicks River joining James and Edward Archer on the west BACK OF THE CANE, Early VA Surveys in Today's Garrard Co KY, Fred. L. Simpson p.167 Court at Harrodsburg 28 Jan 1780: Jacob Holtzclaw by Peter Watts claimed preemption to a tract of land on account of raising a crop of corn in the year 1776 lying on the N side Dick's River adjoining the land of James & Edmund Archer on the west side to include Holtsclaw's improvement. NOTE: In 1776, this land was in Kentucky Co., VA which in 1780 was divided into Lincoln, Jefferson and Fayette Co. Land Entry 8 Feb 1780 Jacob Holtzclaw enters 400 acres. Survey 27 July 1781. Granted 1 Dec 1782 to Jacob Holzclaw by Benjamin Harrison, Gov of VA. Grant Book G page 299 100 acres of this land was sold to Jacob Holzclaw, Jr. on 22 Apr 1794. Preemption Warrant #: 146 Name: Holtsclaw, Jacob County: Kentucky Type #1: Settlement Acreage #1: 400 Type #2: Preemption Acreage #2: 1000 Location/Watercourse: north side of Dicks River Assignee #1: Fishback, Jacob paid 400 pounds on 3-15-1780 for the 1000 acres preemptive claim of Jacob Holtsclaw Issue Date: 1/28/1780 Authorized: VA 0030.0; VA 0031.0; VA 0042.0; VA 0139.0; VA 0306.0 Preemption Warrant #146 included on Library of Virginia microfilm
Marilyn, I've asked that question more than once on this list and on other lists, but have never received an answer. The only place I've seen it written is in Holtzclaw's book and no sources are provided. I am not aware of any documents associated with his statements regarding the dates of birth and death for Jacob Holtzclaw and Susannah Thomas. I, too, would like to know the source(s) for these dates. Suzanne Collins Matson --- On Mon, 9/26/11, gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > From: gneolog@aol.com <gneolog@aol.com> > Subject: [GERMANNA] Jacob Holtzclaw and Susannah Thomas > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 12:37 AM > I have exact dates of birth and death > for these two (among lots of other people <sigh>) with > no sources. Not sure if the reference is Holtzclaws book but > if so, does anyone know where his info might be recorded as > a document anywhere? Take care. Marilyn > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >
Barbara, Thank you. We are showing his service as a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army, source being _US Army Registrar of Enlistments 1789-1903_. He served from July 1813 to June 1815--nearly the entire duration of the conflict. We also note that he donated land and buildings to the Jefferston academy. We did not have the RW service in his notes, which is surprising because the man leading this whole project is very conscientious about this, and his home chapter is the Minutemen chapter in Culpeper, and he was undoubtedly at the ceremony in 2002. In fact, our next project is already underway, and that is a similar book on burials of RW veterans in Virginia. This greatly expands the information done in 2001 known as the JLARC report (Joint Legislative Audit and Review Committee). That report is on line at: http://jlarc.virginia.gov/revwar.htm ______________________________ I will leave the marriage information as it is. Again, many thanks, Craig On Sep 25, 2011, at 1:04 PM, rockcatt@aol.com wrote: > > I can verify that Martin Fishback is definitely buried in the cemetery at "Fleetwood," the John Fishback home in Jeffersonton. We've visited Fleetwood a couple of times during the First Colony Tour for the Germanna Foundation and the cemetery there. It is said that Martin was born and died in the same room in Fleetwood, but he did have his own home, it's located across the street from Fleetwood, in Jeffersonton. I was just speaking with the current owners of his home a few weeks ago! There are 4 Fishback homes in Jeffersonton and the Coontz home is also still standing, and occupied, in Jeffersonton. > > The Culpeper Minutemen Sons of the American Revolution held a dedication ceremony at Fleetwood in 2002 to honor the Rev War service of Martin Fishback, he was a Private and fought in the Battle of Yorktown. I don't know about service in the War of 1812, he was born in 1763 and he died in 1842, so it's possible, but I've seen no record for this service. > > The marriage of Lucy Amiss and Martin Fishback is noted in "Twentieth Century Biographical Dictionary of Notable Americans, John Roster in the biography of William Meade Fishback, Governor of Arkansas. It's noted that he was the son of Frederick and Sophie Yates Fishback, the grandson of Martin and Lucy Amiss Fishback. > > The marriage is also noted in "Virginia Soldiers of 1776, Vols. I, II and III, Virginia Soldiers, Pg. 1109: > > "Martin Fishback, Soldier > > Martin Fishback was a youthful Soldier of the Revolution. At the age of seventeen, he was at the siege of Yorktown, and was present at the surrender of Cornwallis. He was born at "Fleetwood", Culpeper Co., 12 Oct. 1763; died 24 Jan., 1842. He married 23 Mar., 1783, Lucy Amiss, daughter of Willie and Annie Amiss." > > There is another Martin Fishback listed as serving in the War of 1812, but he served in Kentucky under Capt. James Armstrong and commanded by Col. Wm. Mountjoy. I think that this Martin Fishback is the son of John and Martha Pickett Fishback, the grandson of John Philip Fishback and the great grandson of the immigrants, John and Agnes Haeger Fishback. > > Barb Price > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 00:01:57 -0400 > From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> > Subject: [GERMANNA] Martin Fishback and wife Lucy Amiss ? > To: Germans-VA <germans-va@rootsweb.com>, Germanna List German > Colonists List <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <681C4B84-D54D-4C5F-AAB5-CB31DFBA9C68@craigkilby.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > > I am hoping someone can help me verify one of the entries in the War of 1812 > Veterans' Burials in Virginia database. > > It is for Martin Fishback who is said by the U.S. Daughters of the War of 1812 > to have married Lucy Amiss, daughter of William and Annie Amiss on 23 MAR 1793. > > He lived in Jeffersonton and according to the notes, this about about him: > > Born 1763, died 24 Jan 1842, buried at Fleetwood Cemetery in Jefferston. > > Service: 2nd Lieutenant, US Army > > Said to be born, married and died in the same room of his home, "Fleetwood" in > Culpeper County. > > Can anyone verify this marriage or add/delete/comment on the other items? > > Many thanks, > > Craig Kilby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message