Cary, I was with you and took a photo of you with your new-found Walk cousin on that first trip. We shopped in his store and enjoyed the little village so much. You were so lucky to be able to return. I think you gave me one of the papers you refer to. I,too, have lost an ancestor or two from the settlers list when the Hebron group was removed. What is the problem I wonder? I guess if they weren't on those first two boats they no longer count. At least I have about 8 left but hated to lose Samuel Stigler and John Snyder. Suzee On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> wrote: > Virginia, > > Long ago, I put together from various sources the marriages of the > grandchildren of both men and there was quite a bit of such. By the time of > the great-grandchildren one couldn't tell if it was a Weber or a Hoffmann. > [I tend to exaggerate, but as I age and add more new lines, I just didn't > have time to finish that project.] Really lost interest as the focus > didn't > seem to include those families over of the other side of the highway. A > number of late comers. I even see the Hebron group is now longer listed in > the list of Germanna 2 colony settlers. There went my Walk connection to > Germanna! That was how I became interested in the first place. > > I did so enjoy the visits to Flinsbach where Walks still live today. Had > two opportunities and it was great. See a cow barn with milk cows in the > middle of the village even today is striking. > > Cary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Virginia, Long ago, I put together from various sources the marriages of the grandchildren of both men and there was quite a bit of such. By the time of the great-grandchildren one couldn't tell if it was a Weber or a Hoffmann. [I tend to exaggerate, but as I age and add more new lines, I just didn't have time to finish that project.] Really lost interest as the focus didn't seem to include those families over of the other side of the highway. A number of late comers. I even see the Hebron group is now longer listed in the list of Germanna 2 colony settlers. There went my Walk connection to Germanna! That was how I became interested in the first place. I did so enjoy the visits to Flinsbach where Walks still live today. Had two opportunities and it was great. See a cow barn with milk cows in the middle of the village even today is striking. Cary

Now Craig you're sharp enough to know it was an attempt to get the conversation on something else. The Subject just didn't get changed. Sorry about that. Cary -----

Hate to ask this, but......what does this have to with Walmart and the Civil War? On Oct 27, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Suzee Oberg wrote: > I'm a Weaver, too, and I want a DVD when they are available. > Suzee SoldanEls Oberg > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Virginia Nuta <vrnuta@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Well, Cary, you missed Suzanne Matson's great presentation on the First >> Colony Families (including the Hoffmans) who settled in present-day Madison >> County and who married into Second Colony families, at the Germanna >> Research >> Group's Inaugural Conference on Oct. 1 in Madison County! But we did hire >> a >> videographer and soon you will be able to order a DVD of the conference. >> >> Hey, I'm a Weaver! You're right, it's hard for any descendant of the >> Madison County families to not have Weaver blood. >> >> Ginnie Nuta >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> >> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:03 PM >> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War >> >>> I need to expand: >>> >>> I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weavers >>> descendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the united >>> force of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. There >>> has yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would >> be >>> a >>> great place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties. >>> Lots of cousin, but why the silence? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> >>> To: "Michael Oddenino" <oddlaw@pacbell.net>; >>> <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:03 AM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Michael for your astute insight. >>>> Let's get on with finding and honoring the Germanana folks who came. >>>> >>>> For example: I still see almost nothing about the two brother-in-laws, >>>> Hoffman and Weber/Weaver who married Volck ladies. Their properties >>>> adjoined. Hoffman's was much larger than Weaver's. >>>> >>>> Among their children there was little intermarriage, but by the >>>> grandchildren and especially great-grandchildren, Colony I Hoffman and >>>> Colony II Weber, had blended nicely in that part of Madison County. It >>>> is >>>> hard not to scratch a known Germanna descendant and not find Weber >> and/or >>>> Hoffman blood flowing. Just like north and south blood once one gets a >>>> bit >>>> west. >>>> >>>> Cary >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all my family and friends: Please change my address to:> feedstoreantiques@verizon.net < after almost 20 years with gemlink I am no longer jtanner@gemlink, I hate giving them up.. But I hate even more if I lose the germanna page..thank you..Joan Tanner, Madison, VA > > > > > >

I'm a Weaver, too, and I want a DVD when they are available. Suzee SoldanEls Oberg On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Virginia Nuta <vrnuta@verizon.net> wrote: > Well, Cary, you missed Suzanne Matson's great presentation on the First > Colony Families (including the Hoffmans) who settled in present-day Madison > County and who married into Second Colony families, at the Germanna > Research > Group's Inaugural Conference on Oct. 1 in Madison County! But we did hire > a > videographer and soon you will be able to order a DVD of the conference. > > Hey, I'm a Weaver! You're right, it's hard for any descendant of the > Madison County families to not have Weaver blood. > > Ginnie Nuta > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:03 PM > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > > > I need to expand: > > > > I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weavers > > descendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the united > > force of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. There > > has yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would > be > > a > > great place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties. > > Lots of cousin, but why the silence? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> > > To: "Michael Oddenino" <oddlaw@pacbell.net>; > > <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > > > > > >> > >> Thanks Michael for your astute insight. > >> Let's get on with finding and honoring the Germanana folks who came. > >> > >> For example: I still see almost nothing about the two brother-in-laws, > >> Hoffman and Weber/Weaver who married Volck ladies. Their properties > >> adjoined. Hoffman's was much larger than Weaver's. > >> > >> Among their children there was little intermarriage, but by the > >> grandchildren and especially great-grandchildren, Colony I Hoffman and > >> Colony II Weber, had blended nicely in that part of Madison County. It > >> is > >> hard not to scratch a known Germanna descendant and not find Weber > and/or > >> Hoffman blood flowing. Just like north and south blood once one gets a > >> bit > >> west. > >> > >> Cary > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's funny that you should bring this up, Cary, but the John Hoffman home is on our mind for the First Colony Tour in 2012. There aren't very many homes of First Colonists, John Hoffman's being one of 4 that I know of, and I think it would be very good to show that interaction. Not only with the Hoffman/Weavers, but the Holtzclaw/Thomas connection, too, and others. It just makes you wonder if the second wife of Jacob Holtzclaw, Sr., was a part of the Second Colony. So far, no research has identified her, very frustrating not to have a last name!!! Barb Price ------------------------------Message: 5Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:03:56 -0500From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net>Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil WarTo: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> " I need to expand:I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weaversdescendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the unitedforce of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. Therehas yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would be agreat place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties.Lots of cousin, but why the silence?

Well, Cary, you missed Suzanne Matson's great presentation on the First Colony Families (including the Hoffmans) who settled in present-day Madison County and who married into Second Colony families, at the Germanna Research Group's Inaugural Conference on Oct. 1 in Madison County! But we did hire a videographer and soon you will be able to order a DVD of the conference. Hey, I'm a Weaver! You're right, it's hard for any descendant of the Madison County families to not have Weaver blood. Ginnie Nuta -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:03 PM To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > I need to expand: > > I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weavers > descendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the united > force of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. There > has yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would be > a > great place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties. > Lots of cousin, but why the silence? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> > To: "Michael Oddenino" <oddlaw@pacbell.net>; > <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > > >> >> Thanks Michael for your astute insight. >> Let's get on with finding and honoring the Germanana folks who came. >> >> For example: I still see almost nothing about the two brother-in-laws, >> Hoffman and Weber/Weaver who married Volck ladies. Their properties >> adjoined. Hoffman's was much larger than Weaver's. >> >> Among their children there was little intermarriage, but by the >> grandchildren and especially great-grandchildren, Colony I Hoffman and >> Colony II Weber, had blended nicely in that part of Madison County. It >> is >> hard not to scratch a known Germanna descendant and not find Weber and/or >> Hoffman blood flowing. Just like north and south blood once one gets a >> bit >> west. >> >> Cary >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes, I also find this absurd & ridiculous....we have to balance the needs of the community and alsoapply some sort of scaling to the prioritization as to what land is sacred, less sacred but still worthy of conservancy, and so on.... I, too, was taken aback by the "free the Wal-Mart Four" announcement....we should be careful as to how we politicize something - it can come back to bite and it can turn off a lot of people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your organization. This one is short-sighted and does not reflect statesmanship nor proper stewardship of the organization - its resources nor its goodwill! I know nothing about IRS regs re maintaining a tax-exempt status, so cannot comment there...do see where other groups have vocally lobbied to prevent such building .... What is the actual mission statement for the Foundation? All actions (or choosing to act (or not to act in some situations) should directly related to supporting the stated mission and should also conform with all laws regarding such foundations - local, state, and federal. We all want to preserve our heritage. We all want freedom to shop and freedom for stores to make a reasonable profit and provide jobs for locals.... balance,reason, an even keel...all called for here. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michael Oddenino <oddlaw@pacbell.net>wrote: > The vilification of Wal Mart is patently absurd. For the > Germanna Foundation to be taking such a political stance akin to an “Occupy > Wal > Mart” position is far afield of what the mission of the Germanna Foundation > truly is. The Germanna Foundation may > very well be flirting with the loss of its non-profit status and it is > certainly creating political opponents when such a move is unnecessary and > unwise. > > While the site on which Wal Mart is planning to build a > store that is much needed and much wanted by local residents might have had > some Civil War activity, that is true of virtually the entire area. When > the Germanna Foundation gave the land > for the building of Germanna Community College it is certainly true that > Civil > War activities and evidence thereof was destroyed in the process. The fact > is that the land where the Wal Mart > is to be built is NOT a significant Civil War site. Period. > > To contrast the proposed Wal Mart site with the previous > proposed site next to the Wilderness Battlefield is like comparing night > and > day in so far as Civil War significance is concerned. The Wilderness > Battlefield marks one of the > most significant chapters in our Civil War history. The now proposed Wal > Mart > site does not even rate a footnote. > > > The fact that other preservationist organizations recognize > this most evident distinction is not a basis to attack the other > preservationist groups nor to attack Wal Mart. We should thank Wal Mart for > departing from the Wilderness Battlefield site and for building on a > location > that no serious historian of the Civil War would ever contend comes close > to > the significance of the Wilderness Battlefield. > > The Germanna Foundation appears to be more interested in > scoring political points with certain groups than it does in recognizing > the > actual history of the area. This is a > misguided campaign apparently designed to attract attention to the Germanna > Foundation and the attention is not particularly flattering upon any > serious > scrutiny. Also, what does this blatant > political action have to do with Germanna? Nothing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Kathleen Bowen Simons Falls Church, Virginia Imagine keeping it simple: Worship, Community & Service at Image Church ( http://www.imagechurch.com; listen to Pastor Chris Rhodenhizer's thought-provoking messages by clicking on the Audio link!) Listen to a beautiful song, "Feel the Ocean Calling," by Roderick C. Simons: http://www.myspace.com/roderickcsimons

I need to expand: I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weavers descendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the united force of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. There has yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would be a great place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties. Lots of cousin, but why the silence? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> To: "Michael Oddenino" <oddlaw@pacbell.net>; <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > > Thanks Michael for your astute insight. > Let's get on with finding and honoring the Germanana folks who came. > > For example: I still see almost nothing about the two brother-in-laws, > Hoffman and Weber/Weaver who married Volck ladies. Their properties > adjoined. Hoffman's was much larger than Weaver's. > > Among their children there was little intermarriage, but by the > grandchildren and especially great-grandchildren, Colony I Hoffman and > Colony II Weber, had blended nicely in that part of Madison County. It is > hard not to scratch a known Germanna descendant and not find Weber and/or > Hoffman blood flowing. Just like north and south blood once one gets a bit > west. > > Cary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, You took the words out of my mouth, especially the part about the donating the land for the Germanna Community College which didn't seem to bother anybody at the time. I think the Germanna Foundation is sounding like a little dog barking at the wind. Frankly, it's embarrassing. They have other things to worry about than fighting Wal-Mart on an inconsequential piece of vacant land that has little to no historic significance, and they do not own in the first place. I think our ancestors would have been strong advocates of private property rights, and as far as I can determine not one original Crown Patent or Northern Neck Grant ever prohibited future development. In fact, Spotswood would have encouraged it. That's why he put the Germans there in the first place. Craig On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Michael Oddenino wrote: > The vilification of Wal Mart is patently absurd. For the > Germanna Foundation to be taking such a political stance akin to an “Occupy Wal > Mart” position is far afield of what the mission of the Germanna Foundation > truly is. The Germanna Foundation may > very well be flirting with the loss of its non-profit status and it is > certainly creating political opponents when such a move is unnecessary and > unwise. > > While the site on which Wal Mart is planning to build a > store that is much needed and much wanted by local residents might have had > some Civil War activity, that is true of virtually the entire area. When the Germanna Foundation gave the land > for the building of Germanna Community College it is certainly true that Civil > War activities and evidence thereof was destroyed in the process. The fact is that the land where the Wal Mart > is to be built is NOT a significant Civil War site. Period. > > To contrast the proposed Wal Mart site with the previous > proposed site next to the Wilderness Battlefield is like comparing night and > day in so far as Civil War significance is concerned. The Wilderness Battlefield marks one of the > most significant chapters in our Civil War history. The now proposed Wal Mart > site does not even rate a footnote. > > > The fact that other preservationist organizations recognize > this most evident distinction is not a basis to attack the other > preservationist groups nor to attack Wal Mart. We should thank Wal Mart for > departing from the Wilderness Battlefield site and for building on a location > that no serious historian of the Civil War would ever contend comes close to > the significance of the Wilderness Battlefield. > > The Germanna Foundation appears to be more interested in > scoring political points with certain groups than it does in recognizing the > actual history of the area. This is a > misguided campaign apparently designed to attract attention to the Germanna > Foundation and the attention is not particularly flattering upon any serious > scrutiny. Also, what does this blatant > political action have to do with Germanna? Nothing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Michael for your astute insight. Let's get on with finding and honoring the Germanana folks who came. For example: I still see almost nothing about the two brother-in-laws, Hoffman and Weber/Weaver who married Volck ladies. Their properties adjoined. Hoffman's was much larger than Weaver's. Among their children there was little intermarriage, but by the grandchildren and especially great-grandchildren, Colony I Hoffman and Colony II Weber, had blended nicely in that part of Madison County. It is hard not to scratch a known Germanna descendant and not find Weber and/or Hoffman blood flowing. Just like north and south blood once one gets a bit west. Cary

When Walmart first sought to build a store on the Wilderness Battlefield several miles east of the site of Fort Germanna, I had suggested to the Trustees that they might support the Civil War and preservation groups in a lobbying effort against building at that site through a letter-writing campaign and testimony before the Orange County decision-makers. I suggested that joining this lobbying effort would also make friends for the Foundation among those organizations. The Trustees chose not to assist the Civil War preservation groups. (Had they done so, you surely would have received a news blast about it.) Now, those organizations that fought long, hard, and ultimately successfully, are not assisting the Foundation. It appears that you don't get what you don't give. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Wheat" <germanna1714@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:37 AM To: <germanna_colonies-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GERMANNA] Germanna Foundation seeks to free the Wal-Mart Four > [Wal-Mart denies secret agreement; three of Wal-Mart Four confirm it. > > Arf! Arf! Arf! Watch dogs have become lap dogs. Three of Wal-Mart Four > sit up and beg for the Wilderness site in exchange for statement > supporting elimination of Civil War earthworks at Germanna Wal-Mart Site] > > > http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/pastisprologue/2011/10/27/germanna-foundation-preservation-groups-differ-over-orange-walmart-plan/ > > Germanna Foundation, preservation groups differ over Orange Walmart plan > Nonprofit alleges ‘gag agreement’ between retailer and its former > Wilderness-battlefield foes; Walmart says not so - Clint Schemmer, > Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star > > The Germanna Foundation, steward of the sites of Virginia Colonial Gov. > Alexander Spotswood’s “Enchanted Castle” and Fort Germanna, claims that > four preservation groups have had a commitment with Wal-Mart Stores Inc. > to steer clear of the latest controversy over the retailer’s proposed > megastore in Orange County. > > The Memorial Foundation of the Germanna Colonies in Virginia Inc. has > asked Walmart to proffer changes to its proposal to build a discount store > at State Route 3 and Somerset Ridge Road, about a mile east of Gov. > Spotswood’s early 18th-century home site and the 1714 fort site where his > German settlers established an outpost on the Virginia frontier. > > Tonight, the Orange Board of Supervisors will hold a public hearing on > Walmart’s request for a special-use permit needed under the county’s > zoning ordinance to build a “big box” store. > > Walmart said Germanna’s claim is baseless. > > “The news release from the Germanna Foundation alleging some kind of ‘gag > agreement’ between Walmart and several prominent preservation > organizations is completely without foundation,” William C. Wertz, > director of community and media relations for the company’s Eastern > region, said last night. > > Three preservation groups disputed the foundation’s statement. > > The National Trust for Historic Preservation, Friends of Wilderness > Battlefield and the Civil War Trust said they had pledged to Walmart not > to disclose its confidential business information. But that understanding > doesn’t bar them from criticizing Walmart, the groups said. > > Germanna said the store’s construction would destroy Civil War earthworks > on the Somerset Ridge Road property. > > “Why has opposition been so muted?” the foundation’s press release states. > (download it here). “Multiple sources have informed the Germanna > Foundation that the very preservation groups that had opposed Wal-Mart’s > construction at the ‘Wilderness Battlefield site’ in 2010 are signatories > to a Wal-Mart confidentiality agreement. > > Earlier, Walmart had sought to build a similar store farther east on Route > 3 near the Wilderness-battlefield portion of Fredericksburg and > Spotsylvania National Military Park. Its plan brought opposition by the > National Park Service, local residents and a coalition of local, state and > national preservation groups. > > Early this year, on the first day of an Orange Circuit Court trial > contesting Orange supervisors’ approval of its plan, Walmart scrapped that > effort and pledged to find another, less controversial store site > elsewhere in eastern Orange’s Route 3 corridor. The new, 14-acre location, > near Germanan Community College’s Locust Grove campus, is about four miles > west of the Wilderness store site. > > Germanna said an understanding between Walmart and its > Wilderness-battlefield opponents bars them from “participating, by action > or comment, in the current controversy” over the new store site. > > “According to employees within these organizations,” the foundation said, > “the Wal-Mart gag agreement binds four of the most storied names in > historic preservation: The National Trust for Historic Preservation, the > Civil War Trust, the Piedmont Environmental Council and the Friends of > Wilderness Battlefield.” > > Germanna said it is “alarmed that these nonprofit organizations, with > missions of preserving our nation’s history and environment, have > abandoned their stewardship responsibilities to their members in response > to Wal-Mart’s pressure.” > > Asked for comment, the National Trust, Friends of Wilderness Battlefield > and the Civil War Trust said last night that the foundation’s claim is > erroneous. > > The three groups issued a statement on Walmart’s current store proposal, > found here in its entirety. They supported the company’s selection of the > Somerset Ridge site, and urged Orange County to approve its proposal. > > The property’s “historic integrity was compromised several years ago by > construction of a roadway, a utility right of way, and a large stormwater > pond,” the groups stated. “Under the circumstances–-and within the broader > context of Walmart’s decision to relocate its development–-our > organizations believe that this is a more suitable location for Walmart’s > proposed Superstore.” > > In addition, in an email to The Free Lance-Star last night, the groups > said: > > “– The Germanna Foundation’s attack is misdirected and inaccurate. > > “– We have no gag agreement with Walmart, as should be obvious from the > vociferous advocacy of our organizations to date. > > “– While we understand the Germanna Foundation’s concerns, we stand by the > views expressed in the joint statement. > > “– We did make a commitment to Walmart that we would we would not release > any confidential business information they chose to provide to us, but > that didn’t prohibit us in any way from criticizing Walmart. > > “– Instead, the non-disclosure agreement allowed the open dialogue between > the preservation organizations and Walmart which helped to save the > battlefield and National Park from incompatible over-development.” > > The Piedmont Environmental Council did not respond last night to the > newspaper’s request for comment. > > The Germanna Foundation asked Wal-Mart and the groups to release the > wording of the claimed “confidentiality agreement and any side > agreements.” > > “Public disclosure of these agreements will go far in explaining acts of > omission and commission in allowing Virginia’s heritage to fall to the > bulldozer. We call upon Wal-Mart to free these groups to return to their > core mission,” said Karen Quanbeck, the foundation’s executive director. > > Germanna said Wal-Mart’s site Somerset Ridge plan would demolish more than > 400 feet of Civil War trenches and the site of a Union army encampment. > > Germanna said Orange County historian Frank Walker has described Wal-Mart’s > shift from the Wilderness site to the Germanna site as moving from > “hallowed ground” to “sacred soil” because the latter tract is not far > from the locations of Fort Germanna and Spotswood’s estate as well as > Germanna Ford, where the Union army under Gen. Ulysses S. Grant crossed > the Rapidan River before the May 1864 Battle of the Wilderness. > > Walker said the area was occupied three times, by both Union and > Confederate forces, within a year, the foundation said. > > If its plan is approved by Orange County supervisors, Walmart’s store > would occupy part of Orange builder Mansour Azmipour’s Germanna Heights > development, a 100-acre project that includes apartments, townhouses and a > medical office building. > > Walmart bought the old, 51-acre Wilderness store site from its former > development partner, and has promised to preserve the property. It has not > detailed its plans for the acreage. > > The Germanna Foundation owns 279 acres on the south side of Route 3, > west of the proposed Walmart site, from the Rapidan River to Flat Run > Road. It is part of the area settled by German immigrants who were lured > across the Atlantic Ocean by Gov. Spotswood. Orange County historian Ann > Miller has called the foundation property “one of the most significant > historic sites” in the nation. > > In 1969, the foundation donated 100 acres to the state for Germanna > Community College’s original Locust Grove campus. Next to the college, the > foundation operates a visitor center for travelers interested in the > Germanna settlement and Spotswood. > > > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cary, I agree with you. We need good solid documented research to add to our knowledge and to correct errors perpetuated over time for unknown reasons. Suzanne Collins Matson --- On Thu, 10/27/11, Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> wrote: > From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > To: "Michael Oddenino" <oddlaw@pacbell.net>, germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 3:03 PM > > Thanks Michael for your astute insight. > Let's get on with finding and honoring the Germanana folks > who came. > > For example:  I still see almost nothing about the two > brother-in-laws, > Hoffman and Weber/Weaver who married Volck ladies.  > Their properties > adjoined. Hoffman's was much larger than Weaver's. > > Among their children there was little intermarriage, but by > the > grandchildren and especially great-grandchildren, Colony I > Hoffman and > Colony II Weber, had blended nicely in that part of Madison > County.  It is > hard not to scratch a known Germanna descendant and not > find Weber and/or > Hoffman blood flowing. Just like north and south blood once > one gets a bit > west. > > Cary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

As a businesswoman who is well acquainted with nondisclosure agreements (NDA), I find it appalling, embarrassing and insulting that the Germanna Foundation has chosen to use the term "gag" agreement to describe a nondisclosure agreement. Businesses often require an NDA to be signed before revealing business proprietary information to protect themselves and it is done so with the advice and counsel of their attorneys. An NDA does not prevent one who has signed it from speaking out on public stances taken by the entity with whom the NDA was signed. This political and misleading stance reflects poorly on the leadership of the Germanna Foundation. A point of fact--the Germanna Foundation owns 178.6 acres of land, not 279 acres as stated in the Germanna Foundation post. The details of the acreage owned by the Germanna Foundation is readily available online from the Orange County, VA public works site. Anyone desiring a more in depth explanation of NDAs, please contact me off list at holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com I will be delighted to explain more fully. Suzanne Collins Matson --- On Thu, 10/27/11, Michael Oddenino <oddlaw@pacbell.net> wrote: > From: Michael Oddenino <oddlaw@pacbell.net> > Subject: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > To: "Germanna Colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>, "GERMANS-VA" <GERMANS-VA@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 2:33 PM > The vilification of Wal Mart is > patently absurd. For the > Germanna Foundation to be taking such a political stance > akin to an “Occupy Wal > Mart” position is far afield of what the mission of the > Germanna Foundation > truly is.  The Germanna Foundation may > very well be flirting with the loss of its non-profit > status and it is > certainly creating political opponents when such a move is > unnecessary and > unwise. > > While the site on which Wal Mart is planning to build a > store that is much needed and much wanted by local > residents might have had > some Civil War activity, that is true of virtually the > entire area.  When the Germanna Foundation gave the land > for the building of Germanna Community College it is > certainly true that Civil > War activities and evidence thereof was destroyed in the > process.  The fact is that the land where the Wal Mart > is to be built is NOT a significant Civil War site.  > Period. > > To contrast the proposed Wal Mart site with the previous > proposed site next to the Wilderness Battlefield is like > comparing night and > day in so far as Civil War significance is concerned.  The > Wilderness Battlefield marks one of the > most significant chapters in our Civil War history. The now > proposed Wal Mart > site does not even rate a footnote. > > > The fact that other preservationist organizations > recognize > this most evident distinction is not a basis to attack the > other > preservationist groups nor to attack Wal Mart. We should > thank Wal Mart for > departing from the Wilderness Battlefield site and for > building on a location > that no serious historian of the Civil War would ever > contend comes close to > the significance of the Wilderness Battlefield. > > The Germanna Foundation appears to be more interested in > scoring political points with certain groups than it does > in recognizing the > actual history of the area.   This is a > misguided campaign apparently designed to attract attention > to the Germanna > Foundation and the attention is not particularly flattering > upon any serious > scrutiny.  Also, what does this blatant > political action have to do with Germanna? Nothing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

The vilification of Wal Mart is patently absurd. For the Germanna Foundation to be taking such a political stance akin to an “Occupy Wal Mart” position is far afield of what the mission of the Germanna Foundation truly is.  The Germanna Foundation may very well be flirting with the loss of its non-profit status and it is certainly creating political opponents when such a move is unnecessary and unwise. While the site on which Wal Mart is planning to build a store that is much needed and much wanted by local residents might have had some Civil War activity, that is true of virtually the entire area.  When the Germanna Foundation gave the land for the building of Germanna Community College it is certainly true that Civil War activities and evidence thereof was destroyed in the process.  The fact is that the land where the Wal Mart is to be built is NOT a significant Civil War site.  Period. To contrast the proposed Wal Mart site with the previous proposed site next to the Wilderness Battlefield is like comparing night and day in so far as Civil War significance is concerned.  The Wilderness Battlefield marks one of the most significant chapters in our Civil War history. The now proposed Wal Mart site does not even rate a footnote. The fact that other preservationist organizations recognize this most evident distinction is not a basis to attack the other preservationist groups nor to attack Wal Mart. We should thank Wal Mart for departing from the Wilderness Battlefield site and for building on a location that no serious historian of the Civil War would ever contend comes close to the significance of the Wilderness Battlefield. The Germanna Foundation appears to be more interested in scoring political points with certain groups than it does in recognizing the actual history of the area.   This is a misguided campaign apparently designed to attract attention to the Germanna Foundation and the attention is not particularly flattering upon any serious scrutiny.  Also, what does this blatant political action have to do with Germanna? Nothing.

[Wal-Mart denies secret agreement; three of Wal-Mart Four confirm it. Arf! Arf! Arf! Watch dogs have become lap dogs. Three of Wal-Mart Four sit up and beg for the Wilderness site in exchange for statement supporting elimination of Civil War earthworks at Germanna Wal-Mart Site] http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/pastisprologue/2011/10/27/germanna-foundation-preservation-groups-differ-over-orange-walmart-plan/ Germanna Foundation, preservation groups differ over Orange Walmart plan Nonprofit alleges ‘gag agreement’ between retailer and its former Wilderness-battlefield foes; Walmart says not so - Clint Schemmer, Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star The Germanna Foundation, steward of the sites of Virginia Colonial Gov. Alexander Spotswood’s “Enchanted Castle” and Fort Germanna, claims that four preservation groups have had a commitment with Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to steer clear of the latest controversy over the retailer’s proposed megastore in Orange County. The Memorial Foundation of the Germanna Colonies in Virginia Inc. has asked Walmart to proffer changes to its proposal to build a discount store at State Route 3 and Somerset Ridge Road, about a mile east of Gov. Spotswood’s early 18th-century home site and the 1714 fort site where his German settlers established an outpost on the Virginia frontier. Tonight, the Orange Board of Supervisors will hold a public hearing on Walmart’s request for a special-use permit needed under the county’s zoning ordinance to build a “big box” store. Walmart said Germanna’s claim is baseless. “The news release from the Germanna Foundation alleging some kind of ‘gag agreement’ between Walmart and several prominent preservation organizations is completely without foundation,” William C. Wertz, director of community and media relations for the company’s Eastern region, said last night. Three preservation groups disputed the foundation’s statement. The National Trust for Historic Preservation, Friends of Wilderness Battlefield and the Civil War Trust said they had pledged to Walmart not to disclose its confidential business information. But that understanding doesn’t bar them from criticizing Walmart, the groups said. Germanna said the store’s construction would destroy Civil War earthworks on the Somerset Ridge Road property. “Why has opposition been so muted?” the foundation’s press release states. (download it here). “Multiple sources have informed the Germanna Foundation that the very preservation groups that had opposed Wal-Mart’s construction at the ‘Wilderness Battlefield site’ in 2010 are signatories to a Wal-Mart confidentiality agreement. Earlier, Walmart had sought to build a similar store farther east on Route 3 near the Wilderness-battlefield portion of Fredericksburg and Spotsylvania National Military Park. Its plan brought opposition by the National Park Service, local residents and a coalition of local, state and national preservation groups. Early this year, on the first day of an Orange Circuit Court trial contesting Orange supervisors’ approval of its plan, Walmart scrapped that effort and pledged to find another, less controversial store site elsewhere in eastern Orange’s Route 3 corridor. The new, 14-acre location, near Germanan Community College’s Locust Grove campus, is about four miles west of the Wilderness store site. Germanna said an understanding between Walmart and its Wilderness-battlefield opponents bars them from “participating, by action or comment, in the current controversy” over the new store site. “According to employees within these organizations,” the foundation said, “the Wal-Mart gag agreement binds four of the most storied names in historic preservation: The National Trust for Historic Preservation, the Civil War Trust, the Piedmont Environmental Council and the Friends of Wilderness Battlefield.” Germanna said it is “alarmed that these nonprofit organizations, with missions of preserving our nation’s history and environment, have abandoned their stewardship responsibilities to their members in response to Wal-Mart’s pressure.” Asked for comment, the National Trust, Friends of Wilderness Battlefield and the Civil War Trust said last night that the foundation’s claim is erroneous. The three groups issued a statement on Walmart’s current store proposal, found here in its entirety. They supported the company’s selection of the Somerset Ridge site, and urged Orange County to approve its proposal. The property’s “historic integrity was compromised several years ago by construction of a roadway, a utility right of way, and a large stormwater pond,” the groups stated. “Under the circumstances–-and within the broader context of Walmart’s decision to relocate its development–-our organizations believe that this is a more suitable location for Walmart’s proposed Superstore.” In addition, in an email to The Free Lance-Star last night, the groups said: “– The Germanna Foundation’s attack is misdirected and inaccurate. “– We have no gag agreement with Walmart, as should be obvious from the vociferous advocacy of our organizations to date. “– While we understand the Germanna Foundation’s concerns, we stand by the views expressed in the joint statement. “– We did make a commitment to Walmart that we would we would not release any confidential business information they chose to provide to us, but that didn’t prohibit us in any way from criticizing Walmart. “– Instead, the non-disclosure agreement allowed the open dialogue between the preservation organizations and Walmart which helped to save the battlefield and National Park from incompatible over-development.” The Piedmont Environmental Council did not respond last night to the newspaper’s request for comment. The Germanna Foundation asked Wal-Mart and the groups to release the wording of the claimed “confidentiality agreement and any side agreements.” “Public disclosure of these agreements will go far in explaining acts of omission and commission in allowing Virginia’s heritage to fall to the bulldozer. We call upon Wal-Mart to free these groups to return to their core mission,” said Karen Quanbeck, the foundation’s executive director. Germanna said Wal-Mart’s site Somerset Ridge plan would demolish more than 400 feet of Civil War trenches and the site of a Union army encampment. Germanna said Orange County historian Frank Walker has described Wal-Mart’s shift from the Wilderness site to the Germanna site as moving from “hallowed ground” to “sacred soil” because the latter tract is not far from the locations of Fort Germanna and Spotswood’s estate as well as Germanna Ford, where the Union army under Gen. Ulysses S. Grant crossed the Rapidan River before the May 1864 Battle of the Wilderness. Walker said the area was occupied three times, by both Union and Confederate forces, within a year, the foundation said. If its plan is approved by Orange County supervisors, Walmart’s store would occupy part of Orange builder Mansour Azmipour’s Germanna Heights development, a 100-acre project that includes apartments, townhouses and a medical office building. Walmart bought the old, 51-acre Wilderness store site from its former development partner, and has promised to preserve the property. It has not detailed its plans for the acreage. The Germanna Foundation owns 279 acres on the south side of Route 3, west of the proposed Walmart site, from the Rapidan River to Flat Run Road. It is part of the area settled by German immigrants who were lured across the Atlantic Ocean by Gov. Spotswood. Orange County historian Ann Miller has called the foundation property “one of the most significant historic sites” in the nation. In 1969, the foundation donated 100 acres to the state for Germanna Community College’s original Locust Grove campus. Next to the college, the foundation operates a visitor center for travelers interested in the Germanna settlement and Spotswood. .

Help! The German American Heritage Museum and the U.S. Capitol Historical Society have put on an exhibition of German-Americans in Congress - their display is in the U.S. Senate this week, and we hope to have it come to the Germanna Foundation later this year. We have been successful to get a nice write-up on Congressman Russ Carnahan, who is the immediate past Chairman of the Congressional Study Group on Germany and is a Germanna Carpenter descendant. The next project we are working on with the GAHM and the Historical Society is to identify members of Congress from the 19th and 20th Centuries who have Germanna roots. In addition to U.S. Senator Jeane Carnahan (Russ's mother - they both came to the Germanna Conference and Reunion this past July), we have a couple more: House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Robert Roberts Hitt at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=marcwheat&id=I19309 and House Appropriations Committee Chairman Clarence Cannon at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=marcwheat&id=I28217 Can you help on this fun scholarship challenge? Maybe see your discoveries on display in the House and Senate and the Bundestag? See a close-up of the panel on Rep Carnahan at http://www.germanna.org/node/505 Marc Wheat President, The Germanna Foundation www.germanna.org

Hi, I am just wondering what this email is about please. Helen, from downunder. From: <johanna.allyn@comcast.net> To: "Marc Wheat" <Germanna1714 ...snip... germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com (nelliemay@westnet.com.au) I have a Wilhite in our DNA report there. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Wheat" <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> > To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:16:28 PM ...snip... > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen, I was just sharing that my father's DNA test showed a distant relative in that area. I just checked for updated results for there. Relative in common generations ago Name Place 27 M ichael John Winterton W. AU 28 George Thomas Bennett Hawaii 29 Bruce Hunter Dolman W AU 29 Jodi Phillips W AU ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Gunnell" <nelliemay@westnet.com.au> > To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:57:10 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com (nelliemay@westnet.com.au) > Hi, I am just wondering what this email is about please. > Helen, from downunder. > From: <johanna.allyn@comcast.net> > To: "Marc Wheat" <Germanna1714 ...snip... > germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Ancestry.com (nelliemay@westnet.com.au) > I have a Wilhite in our DNA report there. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Wheat" <Germanna1714@yahoo.com> > > To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:16:28 PM > ...snip... > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message