Carolyn, I am not sure just how much you know about your Germanna people. You could extend your ancestry backwards for several generations. For example, about 45 ancestors of Andreas and Eva Garr are known in Germany. Also, all Käfer descendants are also Blankenbaker descendants. If you have not seen it, you ought to buy the Beyond Germanna CD which has one disk the entire 917 pages of Beyond Germanna. It is only $30.00 postpaid from me at PO Box 120, Chadds Ford, PA 19317. Also, the Germanna Foundation has two books that would be of interest to you: The Clore ancestry and The Second Colony. John Blankenbaker

CLORE, CORN, CRISLER, GAAR, KAIFER, SPEILMANN    Here is my line. Would love to know about them.   AND Eva Katherina Maria SEIDELMANN Andreas GARR  AND Theobald Fawatt CRISLERRosina GARR Leonard CRISLER AND Margaret CLORE parents are John Michael CLORE and Dorothea KAIFER  AND Elizabeth CORN Michael CRISLER Leonard CRISLER  AND Caroline REESER   Georgiana CRISLER....my great grandparents AND Henry BERTRAN

All, I want to publicly thank Marc Wheat for calling me this evening and spending time with me explaining the "why" of several issues that were brought up on this list and to which I also chimed in. There are indeed two sides to every story and a lot of what he said made sense once explained in detail. It was very kind of him to spend so much time with a member. While we don't necessarily agree on the very public stance the Foundation has taken on recent real estate development projects, he did explain the reasons why and the background to them all. My phone battery cut off before we could discuss the land conservation easement, which is irreversible but he did acknowledge that was the case and perhaps may have changed his mind on it. Underline may because we did cut off. To conclude, I again want to thank Marc for calling me and having such a productive conversation on issues I really was confused about. I asked him to explain, and he did. And kudos to him for doing so. Marc, get well soon. (He has the flu). Craig Kilby

***************************************** Cathi asked: #1. Where is it located? It's the Weber/Weaver big tract of land that joins the much larger Hoffman tract. [Original land owners.] I have never been there, but had hoped the tour of Second Colony might have included it when I took it several years ago. Naturally, Hebron Church tends to be the focal point. I think the Bumgradner, Clore, Walk, Wilhoit land is all out in that area. I just think that it is strange that the joining of the two families--one from the first colony--Hoffmann and one from the second colony--Weber--is not on the calendar at the reunions some way or another. I know when I was researching the two Volchk sisters there were a number of things put out for discussion. There are two working charts, a Hoffman and a Weber/Weaver, somewhere that show the grandchildren and their spouses. I seem to have misplaced mine. I guess that happens when BIG Breakthroughs come in other lines in other regions. What tour are you talking about? I am talking about the tours that take place at the reunion. Silence from? I've just never seen anything really mentioned about that part of the settlements on the left had side of the road as one drives down to Madison. I know I have a bee under my bonnet and/or a stone in my sock or at least sound like it. But, not really. Wish I could be active like I used to be. But... > Anyone is welcome to organize such a picnic if they wish to have it. Go for > it! And remember to invite me. :>) Cathi > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any one working on the Weavers who settled in Wytheville Va. and Sullivan Co. TN? Doloros B. Horne -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Ellis Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:17 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Weavers Thanks for the reply Cathi Mary On 10/28/2011 9:01 PM, Cathi Clore Frost wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellis"<mwellis@triad.rr.com> > To:<germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:59 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Weavers >> Do any of you know if the Weaver family migrated to Guilford Co., NC. >> My half siblings mother is a Weaver. They were a fairly big family in >> the mill village here. >> I have tried to find something on these Weavers but don't seem to get far. >> Mary > ****************************** > Mary, > I am no Weaver expert, but do not know of any Germanna Weavers that ended up > in NC. Weaver is a very common surname in both German and English. In fact > there were two separate Germanna Weaver families, one in the First Colony > and one in the Second Colony. > Cathi > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mary W. Ellis http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncacgs/ http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncalaman/ (Brick Church site) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the reply Cathi Mary On 10/28/2011 9:01 PM, Cathi Clore Frost wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellis"<mwellis@triad.rr.com> > To:<germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:59 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Weavers >> Do any of you know if the Weaver family migrated to Guilford Co., NC. >> My half siblings mother is a Weaver. They were a fairly big family in >> the mill village here. >> I have tried to find something on these Weavers but don't seem to get far. >> Mary > ****************************** > Mary, > I am no Weaver expert, but do not know of any Germanna Weavers that ended up > in NC. Weaver is a very common surname in both German and English. In fact > there were two separate Germanna Weaver families, one in the First Colony > and one in the Second Colony. > Cathi > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mary W. Ellis http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncacgs/ http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncalaman/ (Brick Church site)

James, No, he's not doing his job. He has not explained why he canned the staff and a good part of the volunteer committees. He has not explained why he is at war with Wal mart over property the Foundation does not own. He has not explained why he was at war with VDOT last year over a Rte 3 Highway enhancement. He has not explained anything except that he is at war with the entire state of Virgina and--apparently--all of our fellow non profit organizatins which more or less called him a liar. So no, I am not going to "get off his back." He has a LOT of explaining to do. He can't even explain if anyone bid on my donation at the last auction. I just want to know what is going on. I am sure Marc is capable of speaking for himself if he so chooses. So far it is nothing but deafening silence from him. Hello Marc? Craig On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:14 PM, James Driskell wrote: > I for one think it is important that the Germanna Foundation do everything in its power to protect the land and history around its location. What the world doesn't need in another Walmart, especially in or near this sensitive area. Get off Mark's back. He's only doing his job.

Cary - Be sure to check John Blankenbaker's "Germanna Notes" (2500 of them) for a review of your Hoffman and Weaver people.  The following is the page that has the addresses http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/address.html Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:50:11 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hoffman and Weber AND WALK Ginnie, Thanks for specifically guiding me to the online Germanna second colony.  It is vaguely coming back right now about it, but I was too involved in other things at the time I heard about it.  I am trying to finish a BIG project for a patron right now.  Hopefully, I can get back to Germanna work soon. I missed out on all the goings on re the Germanna second colony organization.  The lists of folks look good.  Just one surname I see that is missing--Volck.   These were two female step-daughters of UTZ. I do not descend from any Wagenbachers, but have a very strong fondness for the Volck ladies who came to Germanna and are the mothers of the Weber and Hoffman children and thousands upon thousands of descendants. If the full truth be known, I doubt if one could scratch a Germanna descendant of either colony, and not find Volck blood flowing. I still don't grasp why these two ladies aren't really bragged about by at least the distaff side of Germanna. Smiling and everyone smile with me. It is good to make some contact again. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> Virginia Nuta wrote: > Cary-- > > See the "Family Name" page on my website, www.secondcolony.org.  Here is the > specific link: > http://www.secondcolony.org/familynames.html > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, but have been there and done that. One of the problems is the Folg surname that appears as the second wife of Hoffman. A lot of the descendants refuse to consider Volck as the spelling the second wife's family used. Then others think Volck and Walck are the same. They are not. Two distinct names with different meanings. Barb wrote > Cary - Be sure to check John Blankenbaker's "Germanna Notes" (2500 of them) for a review of your Hoffman and Weaver people. The following is the page that has the addresses http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/address.html > > > > Barb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> > To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:50:11 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hoffman and Weber AND WALK > > Ginnie, > > Thanks for specifically guiding me to the online Germanna second colony. It > is vaguely coming back right now about it, but I was too involved in other > things at the time I heard about it. I am trying to finish a BIG project > for a patron right now. Hopefully, I can get back to Germanna work soon. > > I missed out on all the goings on re the Germanna second colony > organization. The lists of folks look good. Just one surname I see that is > missing--Volck. These were two female step-daughters of UTZ. > I do not descend from any Wagenbachers, but have a very strong fondness for > the Volck ladies who came to Germanna and are the mothers of the Weber and > Hoffman children and thousands upon thousands of descendants. > > If the full truth be known, I doubt if one could scratch a Germanna > descendant of either colony, and not find Volck blood flowing. > > I still don't grasp why these two ladies aren't really bragged about by at > least the distaff side of Germanna. > > Smiling and everyone smile with me. > > It is good to make some contact again. > > Cary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> > > Virginia Nuta wrote: > > > Cary-- > > > > See the "Family Name" page on my website, www.secondcolony.org. Here is > the > > specific link: > > http://www.secondcolony.org/familynames.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Wal Mart and the Civil War > I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weavers > descendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the united > force of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. There > has yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would be > a > great place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties. > Lots of cousin, but why the silence? ***************************************** Where is it located? What tour are you talking about? Silence from? Anyone is welcome to organize such a picnic if they wish to have it. Go for it! And remember to invite me. :>) Cathi

I for one think it is important that the Germanna Foundation do everything in its power to protect the land and history around its location. What the world doesn't need in another Walmart, especially in or near this sensitive area. Get off Mark's back. He's only doing his job. James M Driskell > From: craig@craigkilby.com > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:51:37 -0400 > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] My apologies. THe subject is changed. neutral > > Cary you are sharp enough to now that the way to change the subject is to change the subject line. Glad for the effort. I'm tired of Marc Wheat carrying water in the name of Germanna for the Civil War re-enactors and the Paint-Gun clubbers, and that is all this is really about. It's fine for him to do that by himself, but not to drag the entire Germanna Foundation into the mud. > > Craig > > On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Cary Anderson wrote: > > > Now Craig you're sharp enough to know it was an attempt to get the > > conversation on something else. The Subject just didn't get changed. Sorry > > about that. > > > > Cary > > ----- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellis" <mwellis@triad.rr.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:59 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Weavers > Do any of you know if the Weaver family migrated to Guilford Co., NC. > My half siblings mother is a Weaver. They were a fairly big family in > the mill village here. > I have tried to find something on these Weavers but don't seem to get far. > Mary ****************************** Mary, I am no Weaver expert, but do not know of any Germanna Weavers that ended up in NC. Weaver is a very common surname in both German and English. In fact there were two separate Germanna Weaver families, one in the First Colony and one in the Second Colony. Cathi

----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzee Oberg" <suzeeoberg@gmail.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hoffman and Weber > I,too, have lost an ancestor or two from the settlers list when the Hebron > group was removed. What is the problem I wonder? I guess if they weren't > on > those first two boats they no longer count. At least I have about 8 left > but hated to lose Samuel Stigler and John Snyder. ********************************* When the lists were re-written for the Germanna website it was decided to set an arbitrary cut-off date for those arriving as 1725 to keep things manageable for those of us working on the lists of settlers. Notice that most commenting are concerned with only their own ancestors, "Why isn't my ___ family listed any more???" It's just impossible for me to track every single family that ever lived in the area. Some of my own families were lost (Hirsch/Deer, Rasor) in that decision as well but, as I said, keeping it manageable was necessary. If someone would like to volunteer to take on that project and present a COMPLETE list of later arriving families (not just your own ancestors but ALL of them), from whence they came, etc., please contact me. I am sure the Germanna Foundation would be delighted to have someone do this work. Cathi

I descend from John Hoffman and Maria Sabina Volck. I think it's fascinating that they came to Germanna and that Maria married the widow John. Dana Stephens Smith Arlington, VA In a message dated 10/28/2011 12:58:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drcary@cox.net writes: Ginnie, Thanks for specifically guiding me to the online Germanna second colony. It is vaguely coming back right now about it, but I was too involved in other things at the time I heard about it. I am trying to finish a BIG project for a patron right now. Hopefully, I can get back to Germanna work soon. I missed out on all the goings on re the Germanna second colony organization. The lists of folks look good. Just one surname I see that is missing--Volck. These were two female step-daughters of UTZ. I do not descend from any Wagenbachers, but have a very strong fondness for the Volck ladies who came to Germanna and are the mothers of the Weber and Hoffman children and thousands upon thousands of descendants. If the full truth be known, I doubt if one could scratch a Germanna descendant of either colony, and not find Volck blood flowing. I still don't grasp why these two ladies aren't really bragged about by at least the distaff side of Germanna. Smiling and everyone smile with me. It is good to make some contact again. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> Virginia Nuta wrote: > Cary-- > > See the "Family Name" page on my website, www.secondcolony.org. Here is the > specific link: > http://www.secondcolony.org/familynames.html > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hoffman and Weber AND WALK Just one surname I see that is > missing--Volck. These were two female step-daughters of UTZ. > I do not descend from any Wagenbachers, but have a very strong fondness > for > the Volck ladies who came to Germanna and are the mothers of the Weber and > Hoffman children and thousands upon thousands of descendants. > > If the full truth be known, I doubt if one could scratch a Germanna > descendant of either colony, and not find Volck blood flowing. > > I still don't grasp why these two ladies aren't really bragged about by at > least the distaff side of Germanna. ****************************************************** Cary -- Louisa Elisabetha Volck and her husband Hans Dieterich Weber (aka Peter Weaver) are my ancestors. I love all my ancestors but tend to be more "into" researching the Clore descendants because that's my maiden name. Cathi

Ginnie, Thanks for specifically guiding me to the online Germanna second colony. It is vaguely coming back right now about it, but I was too involved in other things at the time I heard about it. I am trying to finish a BIG project for a patron right now. Hopefully, I can get back to Germanna work soon. I missed out on all the goings on re the Germanna second colony organization. The lists of folks look good. Just one surname I see that is missing--Volck. These were two female step-daughters of UTZ. I do not descend from any Wagenbachers, but have a very strong fondness for the Volck ladies who came to Germanna and are the mothers of the Weber and Hoffman children and thousands upon thousands of descendants. If the full truth be known, I doubt if one could scratch a Germanna descendant of either colony, and not find Volck blood flowing. I still don't grasp why these two ladies aren't really bragged about by at least the distaff side of Germanna. Smiling and everyone smile with me. It is good to make some contact again. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> Virginia Nuta wrote: > Cary-- > > See the "Family Name" page on my website, www.secondcolony.org. Here is the > specific link: > http://www.secondcolony.org/familynames.html >

Suzee, My fellow Hebron group descendant, do you feel like a step-child? If it hadn't been for the Hebron list, I would never have become involved in the Germanna aspect of my ancestry. My what I would have missed!! Oh how I recall that trip when we visited Flinsbach and Wagenbach. I had spent about six month's preparing for the trip, but still had so many wonderful surprises. Meeting blood cousins, seeing and touching the chalice from which my Walk ancestors took communion. Yes, you took some pictures as did others for me and they are still a joy. I finally had a "private" visit to the church at Gemmingen, home of the Clores/Klaars at the time of their leaving for America. What an experience! The sextoness came in to clean up after a wedding and opened the grill where the 1500 Hans Sifer Cucifix is now place in a niche for protection. I was allowed to touch it. The Germans seem to find it strange that we are in awe of something that is just everyday for them. None of those who were with me at the church, including the pastor's wife, had any idea as to the sculptor. Hans Sifer is only the most notable sculptor of that period in Germany. Heilbron altar pieces, about life size, is Sifer's work. They survived in a salt mine. The huge monument outside the church where we stopped on Sunday for lunch, did not survive, the French, but the molds were still around. So, basically, it is Sifer's work also. There are four "head" pieces as you go down the stairs to the crypts of that Cathedral. It really pays to surf the web before going. One of the things that is not on the tour, but which I finally was able to visit was the Jewish cemetery in Gemmingen. Acutally, outside the actually Gemmingen lands. It was saved by the mayor in the 1940s, but he lost his life at Stalingrad. I think I spent about 15 minutes in total still silence thinking about many things. The size of the stones and the number indicate a rather significant Jewish community existed there for a number of centuries. It was good to reflect for a brief period. I still do so from time to time. Makes things we read about become real. Cary

Do any of you know if the Weaver family migrated to Guilford Co., NC. My half siblings mother is a Weaver. They were a fairly big family in the mill village here. I have tried to find something on these Weavers but don't seem to get far. Mary On 10/27/2011 12:03 PM, Cary Anderson wrote: > I need to expand: > > I meant to infer that for some reason the Hoffmans and Weber/Weavers > descendents who all basically go back to Volck of Wagenbach is the united > force of first and second colonies. However, little is discussed. There > has yet to be tours to that place where the property adjoins. It would be a > great place for a picnic during the reunion. A picnic for both parties. > Lots of cousin, but why the silence? > >> -- Mary W. Ellis http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncacgs/ http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncalaman/ (Brick Church site)

Cary-- See the "Family Name" page on my website, www.secondcolony.org. Here is the specific link: http://www.secondcolony.org/familynames.html I have the Walk family listed as a Second Colony family. Ginnie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:38 PM To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hoffman and Weber > Virginia, > > Long ago, I put together from various sources the marriages of the > grandchildren of both men and there was quite a bit of such. By the time > of > the great-grandchildren one couldn't tell if it was a Weber or a Hoffmann. > [I tend to exaggerate, but as I age and add more new lines, I just didn't > have time to finish that project.] Really lost interest as the focus > didn't > seem to include those families over of the other side of the highway. A > number of late comers. I even see the Hebron group is now longer listed > in > the list of Germanna 2 colony settlers. There went my Walk connection to > Germanna! That was how I became interested in the first place. > > I did so enjoy the visits to Flinsbach where Walks still live today. Had > two opportunities and it was great. See a cow barn with milk cows in the > middle of the village even today is striking. > > Cary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cary you are sharp enough to now that the way to change the subject is to change the subject line. Glad for the effort. I'm tired of Marc Wheat carrying water in the name of Germanna for the Civil War re-enactors and the Paint-Gun clubbers, and that is all this is really about. It's fine for him to do that by himself, but not to drag the entire Germanna Foundation into the mud. Craig On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Cary Anderson wrote: > Now Craig you're sharp enough to know it was an attempt to get the > conversation on something else. The Subject just didn't get changed. Sorry > about that. > > Cary > ----- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message