George Durman can probably explain better than I can, but Germanna_ Bounces is site where Germanna people go to ask for specific info, and to post family items  for discussion before posting on Germanna Research 1st and 2nd Colonies.  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzee Oberg" <suzeeoberg@gmail.com> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:39:18 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Where Oh Where Did Germanna_bounces go??? I feel really dumb but what is Germanna-bounces? Am I missing a website or mail list? On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM, <barberrey@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Miss comments on Germanna_Bounces.  Hope that means people are working on > their own family lines. > > > > There appear to me to be many errors and duplications on the John and > Jemima Berry page.  I know we are only "parallel" family, but people do > respect the Germanna Research info and therefore will copy it.. > > > > Several Berry/Berrey researchers have discovered there are conflicting > dates on the John Berry will.  Is anyone close to Richmond who can copy > their Microfilm version and send it to us ???. FHL's goes off the page and > we are far away from Virginia.  Interlibrary loan has not been able to get > it from State Library of VA either..    I will reimburse any expenses. > Thanks > > > >  Barbara Berrey Stotler or just Barb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb, Marilyn, Barb's transcript has a typo. "house" should be "horse" in what he leaves his widow if she remarries. Craig On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:03 PM, barberrey@comcast.net wrote: > > > Marilyn - I have sent my copy of John Berry's Will with my response to Craig Kilby..My copy of the Will is from Lynn Berry Hamilton's book.(Full source info is included in response to Craig. > > > > There are some differences between your copy below and mine: > > 1) Date will made. You have "written May 10, 1771, probated July 5, 1779." The Will above this last line has "put my hand and seal to the 14th day of May 1779........proved 19th day of July 1779" > > 2) Last paragraph You have "At Court held for Culpeper County the 14th day of July 1779: My copy has: "At Court held for Culpeper County the 19th Day of July 1779"... > > 3)You have "published in presence of Elizabeth Fowles"; I have "published in the presence of Elisabeth Towles" > > 4) You have Ann Whilon as a daughter; I have Ann Whitten (this was the name as written by John Jameson, County Clerk of Culpeper County, in "An Inventory of the Sale of Mr. John Berrys Dec. Estate........June 19 1780" The actual Will may look like Whilon > > 5) I will send copy of the Inventory of the Sale etc. in another E Mail, as it has all the names of the people who purchased the goods, some of whom are Germanna people. > > > > Barb. . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: gneolog@aol.com > To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 3:32:33 AM > Subject: [GERMANNA] John Berry > > This is what I have in my family file -- obviously copied from someone, somewhere-- but no notation from whom or what site. <sigh> Take care. Marilyn > > Will of John Berry (wife: Jemima) & Inventory of Estate (note: called W. John Berry in estate inventory) Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book B (p. 317 - 319) WILL OF JOHN BERRY P. 317 In the name of God Amen I John Berry of the county of Culpeper and Parish of Bromfield in Perfect health and sound mind and memory do make and ordain this my Last will and Testament in manner following - My soul I recommend to Almighty God who gave it me trusting in the merits of a Crucified Saviour to raise me from the Death sin to the life of Rightoufnefs My Body I recommend to be Buried in a Decent manner at the discretion of my Executives hereafter named. And the worldly goods with which it has pleased God to give me I give and bestow in the manner following viz Inprimises I lend my loving wife Jemima the land whereon I now live and three of such negroes as should belong to me at the time of my decease she taking her first choice, also three cows and p. 318 One Hourse all my house and Kit! ch! > in Furniture & one third part of the working tools as well as the carpenters and other tool during her widowhood but in case she should marry I only lend my said wife Two of the choice of my negroes one House Two Cows and one Bed and furniture to be held and Enjoyed by her during her natural life and after her decease to be distributed amongst my children as I shall hereafter Direct Item the 1st The Residue of my Estate both real and personal I desire and hereby require my Executors hereafter named to sell to the Highest Bidder on Twelve months Credit and the money thence insuing after my Just Debts and Funeral charges are Paid I give and bestow to my well beloved children and their Heirs legal Representatives Lawfully begotten forever (namely Malchiah, Ann Whilon, JOHN, Juriah Yeager, Anthony, Jerusha Stunnell, Acrey, Elijah, Elisha, and Aaron Berry and to the living children of Betty Sutton my Deceased daughter so as that her children may have and enjoy so much of my Es! ta! > te as one of my living children may (?) That the said Betty Suttons Ch > ildren may have and Receive an Eleventh part of my Estate both real & Personal and if any of my other children before mentioned should die before this my will takes place I do desire that their children my have the same benefit of Betty Suttons children Item the 2d The Estate that my loving wife Jemima may Keep during her natural life I direct my Executors hereafter named as soon as may be conveniently be after my wifes p. 319 Death to sell and distribute as the other part of my Estate Item the 3d I Constitute and appoint my well beloved sons Malchiah and Aaron and my Trusty friend Geo. Witherall Executors of this my last Will and Testament and do hereby revoke all former Wills by me made and do declare this to be my Last Will and Testament In Witnefs whereof I have put my hand and seal the 14th day of May 1779 Signed sealed declared & ) John Berry, L.S. Published in presence of ) Elizabeth Fowles Ann Witherall Mary Witherall John Witherall > > > > At a Court held for Culpeper County the 14th day of July 1779 This Last Will and Testament of John Berry deceased was exhibited to the Court by Malechiah Berry and Aaron Berry two of the Executors therein named and was proved by the oath of John Witherall one of the witnefses thereto, and George Witherall > The above is the will of John Berry Sr naming John as his son. Written May 10, 1771 Probated July 5, 1779 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My transcription of John's will and estate.  Am having the hardest time pasting in the estate sale.  Is it possible to post a PDF on the message board?  Culpeper County Virginia, Will Book B, pp 317-9.In the name of God Amen I John Berry of the County of Culpeper and Parish of Bromfield in Perfect health and sound mind and Memory do make and ordain this my Last will and Testament in manner following – My soul I recommend to Almighty God who gave it me trusting in the merits of a Crucified Saviour to raise me from the Death sin to the life of Righteousness My Body I recommend to be Buried in a Decent manner at the discretion of my Executives hereafter named. And the worldly goods with which it has pleased God to give me I give and bestow in the manner following viz Inprimises I lend my loving wife Jemima the Land whereon I now live and three of such negroes as should belong me at the time of my decease she taking her first choice, also three Cows and One Horse all my house and Kitchen Furniture & one third part of the working tools as well as the Carpenters and other tools during her widowhood but in case she should Marry I only lend my said wife Two of the choice of my negroes one House Two Cows and one Bed and furniture to be held and Enjoyed by her during her natural life and after her decease to be distributed amongst my children as I shall hereafter Direct Item the 1st The Residue of my Estate both real and personal I desire and hereby require my Executors hereafter named to sell to the Highest Bidder on Twelve months Credit and the money thence arising after my Just Debts and Funeral charges are Paid I give and bestow to my well beloved children and their Heirs legal Representatives Lawfully begotten forever (namely) Malchia, Ann Whiton, John, Jeriah Yeager, Anthony, Jerusha Stinnett, Acary, Elijah, Elisha and Aaron Berry and to the living children of Betty Sutton my Deceased daughter so as that her children may have and enjoy so much of my Estate as one of my living children may (JE) that the said Betty Suttons Children may have and Receive an Eleventh part of my Estate both real & Personal and if any of my other children before mentioned should die before this my will takes place I do desire that their children my have the same benefit of Betty Suttons children. Item the 2d The Estate that my loving wife Jemima may Keep during her natural life I direct my Executors hereafter named as soon as may be conveniently be after my wifes Death to sell and distribute as the other part of my Estate Item the 3d I Constitute and appoint my well beloved sons Malchiah and Aaron and my Trusty friend Geo. Witherall Executors of this my Last Will and Testament and do hereby revoke all former Wills by me made and do declare this to be my Last Will and Testament In Witness whereof I have put my hand and seal the 14th day of May 1779 Signed sealed declared & } John Berry, L.S. Published in presence of } Elizabeth Fowles Ann Witherall Mary Witherall John Witherall 　 At a Court held for Culpeper County the 19th day of July 1779 This Last Will and Testament of John Berry deceased was exhibited to the Court by Malechiah Berry and Aaron Berry two of the Executors therein named and was proved by the oath of John Witherall one of the witnesses thereto, and George Witherall Gent being sworn declared he drew the said Will and that the decedent in his presence acknowledged the same and it is thereupon ordered to be recorded, And on the Motion of the said Executors Certificate is granted them for obtaining a Probat thereof in due form they having made oath and given bond and Security according to Law. Teste John Jameson, C. Cur. 　 　 　 Inventory: Estate of John Berry Culpeper County Virginia Will Book B, pp 329-332 　 In obedience to an Order of Culpeper Court we the Subscribers being first sworn do value and appraise the slaves and personal Estate of W. John Berry deceased as follows viz: One Negro fellow £700 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Negro Wench and child 1300 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Negro Wench 1200 ~ 0 ~ 0 One negro Wench 300 ~ 0 ~ 0 One negro Girl 1200 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do (Ditto) 800 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 800 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 800 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 500 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Negro Boy 1200 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 700 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 600 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 400 ~ 0 ~ 0 Fifteen head of hoggs 150 ~ 0 ~ 0 Four Cows and Calves 215 ~ 0 ~ 0 Twelve other Cattle 340 ~ 0 ~ 0 Eleven head of Sheep 66 ~ 0 ~ 0 Two Feather Beds and Furniture 900 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do Do 150 ~ 0 ~ 0 Twenty six pounds of Wool 26 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Sorrell Mare 80 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Bay mare and Colt 260 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Sorrell Horse 200 ~0 ~ 0 One Bay horse 240 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Sorrell Mare 240 ~ 0 ~ 0 6 Pewter Basons and 4 Pewter Dishes 44 ~ 0 ~ 0 10 Pewter plates and Ten Do Spoons 14 - 15 - 0 1 Pewter Quart pott 1 Tin Lanthern 4 ~ 0 ~ 0 4 knives and Two forks 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Razor hone and strop 2 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Spice mortar and Pestle 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Tin Sugar Box and Lock 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 About half pound of Coffee 0 ~ 15 ~ 0 One Box Iron and heaters 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 One pair Wool Cards 1 ~ 10 ~ 0 One Large Black Jarr 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 Three Juggs and one Bottle 3 ~ 10 ~ 0 One pair Tow Combs and pair Shears 2 ~ 17 ~ 6 One seal skin Trunk & Small Do 8 ~ 10 ~ 0 One Candlestick & Snuffers 1 ~ 0 ~ 0 One set of Thelms (?) One marking Iron 1~ 7 ~ 6 One Tea Kettle one Pepper Box 10 ~ 6 ~ 0 One Large Bible and Prayer Book 20 ~ 0 ~ 0 3 old Books & 2 pounds of Spun Yard 6 ~ 6 ~ 0 2 Tea Pots 7 Cups & 6 Saucers 5 ~ 0 ~ 0 One mugg one glass salt seller 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 Ten Pewter Tea Spoons 0 ~ 15 ~ 0 One Box & Wafers 1 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Brass Tobacco Box 1 ~ 5 ~ 0 Two Iron Tumblers 1 ~ 0 ~ 0 1 Pair Temple Specticles 0 ~ 12 ~ 0 To Bedsted and Cord 4 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Square Table 40 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Mares Saddle and Cloth 45 ~ 0 ~ 0 Some Sole Leather 2 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Table Cloth and Towell 2 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Chest and Lock 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 5 ~ 0 ~ 0 Five Chairs 5 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Do 1 ~ 10 ~ 0 One Washing Tub & four pails 3 ~ 10 ~ 0 one Large and Five Small wheels 15 ~ 0 ~ 0 Two Scythes and Cradles 15 ~ 0 ~ 0 108 Hackle Teeth 5 ~ 8 ~ 0 about 500 Eight penny Nails 7 ~ 10 ~ 0 One Steel handsaw 7 ~ 10 ~ 0 Five Axes and adds 20 ~ 0 ~ 0 Six old Reap hooks 2 ~ 10 ~ 0 One Broken Bottle of Snuff 0 ~ 12 ~ 0 one Iron Pestle 3 ~ 3 ~ 0 1 Hammer 1 Drawing Knife & ___ Forks 2 ~ 10 ~ 0 A parcel of old Iron 7 ~ 10 ~ 0 one Branding Iron 2 ~ 0 ~ 0 one Bedstead and Cord 5 ~ 0 ~ 0 Two Trowell plow hoes 8 ~ 2 ~ 0 four hilling Hoes 8 ~ 0 ~ 0 Two grubbing hoes 4 ~ 10 ~ 0 Seven weading hoes 8 ~ 0 ~ 0 Two Iron potts 25 ~ 0 ~ 0 One Kettle Cover and hooks 7 ~ 10 ~ 0 1 Frying pan 3 ~ 0 ~ 0 1 Safe 1 Padlock 3 ~ 5 ~ 0 50000 Tobacco 60 ~ 0 ~ 0 8 Sides of Leather 40 ~ 0 ~ 0 Current Money 1380 ~ 0 ~ 0   A Loan/Land ? Office Certificate £186 ~ 12 ~ 0                                                         ____________________                                                £14900 ~ 0 ~ September the 20th 1779 Returned } Joseph James ___ unto Court and ordered to be } Ambrose Barbour Remanded Etc. } Michael Klugge 　 　 John Berry Inventory, June 19, 1780 Culpeper County Virginia Will Book B, pp 381-7. An Inventory of the State of Mr John Berry’s Decd Estate   [PDF] 

This is all I know about my grandmother Jones, she was born at the foot of old Rag in Syria as she used to tell you. Her couisins were Hattie DyerBroyles of Etlan and Cliffie Smith of Orange. know her mother was a Ryder. Hope this information is of value, plus I would like to know more about the Berry's. JONES, VIRGINIA LEE age 90 yrs. was found dead about noon on Tuesday. The coroner estimated she had been dead about 24 hrs. when found in her rocking chair. She was a native of Madison Co., but had lived in Page Co. for over a half century. d/o the late William Berry & Elizabeth Rider Berry & was born 17 Aug 1863. w/o Charles L. Jones who died 18 Mar 1940. Children, Bessie McNenar & Ethel Woodard of Shepherdstown, WV., Lester & Frank Jones of Frederick, Md., Kanard Jones of Luray & Mattie Yager of Stanley. Burial was in the Taylor Family Cemetery. (Page News & Courier - issue 23 Oct 1952 This is the mother of Virginia: Madison Exponent March 3, 1911 Mrs. Berrey Laid to Rest Near Skyland Mrs. Elizabeth Berrey, relict of Mr. William Berrey, died at her home in this county near Skyland, last Sunday night and was buried in the family cemetery on Tuesday. Mrs. Berrey was a consistent member of the German Brethren (Dunkard) church, and had reached an advanced age. Leaves five daughters as follows: Mrs. W.A. Brown, Mrs. Charles Jones and Mrs. Albert Jenkins, of Page county, and Mrs. M.T. Smith and Mrs. Tine Nicholson, of Madison county. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] John Berry > This is what I have in my family file -- obviously copied from someone, > somewhere-- but no notation from whom or what site. <sigh> Take care. > Marilyn > > Will of John Berry (wife: Jemima) & Inventory of Estate (note: called W. > John Berry in estate inventory) Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book B (p. > 317 - 319) WILL OF JOHN BERRY P. 317 In the name of God Amen I John Berry > of the county of Culpeper and Parish of Bromfield in Perfect health and > sound mind and memory do make and ordain this my Last will and Testament > in manner following - My soul I recommend to Almighty God who gave it me > trusting in the merits of a Crucified Saviour to raise me from the Death > sin to the life of Rightoufnefs My Body I recommend to be Buried in a > Decent manner at the discretion of my Executives hereafter named. And the > worldly goods with which it has pleased God to give me I give and bestow > in the manner following viz Inprimises I lend my loving wife Jemima the > land whereon I now live and three of such negroes as should belong to me > at the time of my decease she taking her first choice, also three cows and > p. 318 One Hourse all my house and Kitch! > in Furniture & one third part of the working tools as well as the > carpenters and other tool during her widowhood but in case she should > marry I only lend my said wife Two of the choice of my negroes one House > Two Cows and one Bed and furniture to be held and Enjoyed by her during > her natural life and after her decease to be distributed amongst my > children as I shall hereafter Direct Item the 1st The Residue of my Estate > both real and personal I desire and hereby require my Executors hereafter > named to sell to the Highest Bidder on Twelve months Credit and the money > thence insuing after my Just Debts and Funeral charges are Paid I give and > bestow to my well beloved children and their Heirs legal Representatives > Lawfully begotten forever (namely Malchiah, Ann Whilon, JOHN, Juriah > Yeager, Anthony, Jerusha Stunnell, Acrey, Elijah, Elisha, and Aaron Berry > and to the living children of Betty Sutton my Deceased daughter so as that > her children may have and enjoy so much of my Esta! > te as one of my living children may (?) That the said Betty Suttons Ch > ildren may have and Receive an Eleventh part of my Estate both real & > Personal and if any of my other children before mentioned should die > before this my will takes place I do desire that their children my have > the same benefit of Betty Suttons children Item the 2d The Estate that my > loving wife Jemima may Keep during her natural life I direct my Executors > hereafter named as soon as may be conveniently be after my wifes p. 319 > Death to sell and distribute as the other part of my Estate Item the 3d I > Constitute and appoint my well beloved sons Malchiah and Aaron and my > Trusty friend Geo. Witherall Executors of this my last Will and Testament > and do hereby revoke all former Wills by me made and do declare this to be > my Last Will and Testament In Witnefs whereof I have put my hand and seal > the 14th day of May 1779 Signed sealed declared & ) John Berry, L.S. > Published in presence of ) Elizabeth Fowles Ann Witherall Mary Witherall > John Witherall At a Court held for Culpeper Count! > y the 14th day of July 1779 This Last Will and Testament of John Berry > deceased was exhibited to the Court by Malechiah Berry and Aaron Berry two > of the Executors therein named and was proved by the oath of John > Witherall one of the witnefses thereto, and George Witherall > The above is the will of John Berry Sr naming John as his son. Written May > 10, 1771 Probated July 5, 1779 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have in their Barry info a female who would have married James Stigler, of King Geo Co. VA, died She d @ 1757. Was her husband Joseph Berry? James Stigler appears in a number of court rec. pertaining to the Berrys in the mid 1700s in King Geo Co. VA Thanks Mary Ann Shoemaker Craig Kilby wrote: > Hi Barbara, > > I have a copy of the recorded will with these dates and citations: > > Will dated 10 MAY 1771, Bromfield Parish, Culpeper County, recorded 5 JULY 1779, Culpeper County (WB B, p. 318-319). The will was witnessed by Elizabeth Towles, Ann Wetherall, Mary Wetherall and John Wetherall. Some in the past have jumped to the conclusion that the wife of John Berry was Jemima Wetherall, but I believe any number of us have been around that block and found that such is not the case. > > My copy of the will is pretty faded but next time I am at LVA I will get a digital copy and upload it to the ancestry site. That is, of course, unless someone else does it sooner. There are lots of us descended from John & Jemima Berry through their daughter Juriah who married Adam Yager, Jr. so while it is indeed a "parallell" family, it is an important one. > > I don't remember if it was on this list or the Northern Neck list that someone forwarded this tidbit that is interesting (John Berry with wife Jemima, sister of Joseph Mann/Marr) of Craven Co., NC, 1765): > > > <<From: "Florence F. Moore" <fffmoore@aol.com> > Subject: [VAAMHERS-L] John BERRY > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:09:29 -0700 > > Posted on: Amherst County Queries > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Va/Amherst/545 > > Surname: Berry > ------------------------- > > In the Craven County NC Deed Abstracts, Vol. 1, 1707-1775, Book 1, "23 > March 1765, John BERRY, Amhurst Co. VA appoints friend Jacob Blount in > Craven Co. his attorney to prosecute a suite...for the recovery of the > following negroes...I claim in right of Jemima my wife who was the sister > of Joseph MAN (?) (MARR ?) of Craven Co. Wit. Richard Caswell; Test., Chris'r. > Neal, Clerk of Court." It appears that John Berry was in Craven County > NC with wife Jemima - does anyone in Amhurst Co. range know anything about > this John Berry, his wife, his children? The Berrys are my genealogical > Brick Wall, and this is the first real clue to who I think may just be > a grandfather! The timeframe is correct; Craven County is definitely "in > the ballpark." Can you, will you - please - if you know anything, touch > base with me? > Florence Fulford Moore>> > > > Happy Hunting, > Craig Kilby > Lancaster, VA > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, barberrey@comcast.net wrote: > > >> There appear to me to be many errors and duplications on the John and Jemima Berry page. I know we are only "parallel" family, but people do respect the Germanna Research info and therefore will copy it.. >> >> >> >> Several Berry/Berrey researchers have discovered there are conflicting dates on the John Berry will. Is anyone close to Richmond who can copy their Microfilm version and send it to us ???. FHL's goes off the page and we are far away from Virginia. Interlibrary loan has not been able to get it from State Library of VA either.. I will reimburse any expenses. Thanks >> >> >> >> Barbara Berrey Stotler or just Barb >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >

This is what I have in my family file -- obviously copied from someone, somewhere-- but no notation from whom or what site. <sigh> Take care. Marilyn Will of John Berry (wife: Jemima) & Inventory of Estate (note: called W. John Berry in estate inventory) Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book B (p. 317 - 319) WILL OF JOHN BERRY P. 317 In the name of God Amen I John Berry of the county of Culpeper and Parish of Bromfield in Perfect health and sound mind and memory do make and ordain this my Last will and Testament in manner following - My soul I recommend to Almighty God who gave it me trusting in the merits of a Crucified Saviour to raise me from the Death sin to the life of Rightoufnefs My Body I recommend to be Buried in a Decent manner at the discretion of my Executives hereafter named. And the worldly goods with which it has pleased God to give me I give and bestow in the manner following viz Inprimises I lend my loving wife Jemima the land whereon I now live and three of such negroes as should belong to me at the time of my decease she taking her first choice, also three cows and p. 318 One Hourse all my house and Kitchin Furniture & one third part of the working tools as well as the carpenters and other tool during her widowhood but in case she should marry I only lend my said wife Two of the choice of my negroes one House Two Cows and one Bed and furniture to be held and Enjoyed by her during her natural life and after her decease to be distributed amongst my children as I shall hereafter Direct Item the 1st The Residue of my Estate both real and personal I desire and hereby require my Executors hereafter named to sell to the Highest Bidder on Twelve months Credit and the money thence insuing after my Just Debts and Funeral charges are Paid I give and bestow to my well beloved children and their Heirs legal Representatives Lawfully begotten forever (namely Malchiah, Ann Whilon, JOHN, Juriah Yeager, Anthony, Jerusha Stunnell, Acrey, Elijah, Elisha, and Aaron Berry and to the living children of Betty Sutton my Deceased daughter so as that her children may have and enjoy so much of my Estate as one of my living children may (?) That the said Betty Suttons Children may have and Receive an Eleventh part of my Estate both real & Personal and if any of my other children before mentioned should die before this my will takes place I do desire that their children my have the same benefit of Betty Suttons children Item the 2d The Estate that my loving wife Jemima may Keep during her natural life I direct my Executors hereafter named as soon as may be conveniently be after my wifes p. 319 Death to sell and distribute as the other part of my Estate Item the 3d I Constitute and appoint my well beloved sons Malchiah and Aaron and my Trusty friend Geo. Witherall Executors of this my last Will and Testament and do hereby revoke all former Wills by me made and do declare this to be my Last Will and Testament In Witnefs whereof I have put my hand and seal the 14th day of May 1779 Signed sealed declared & ) John Berry, L.S. Published in presence of ) Elizabeth Fowles Ann Witherall Mary Witherall John Witherall At a Court held for Culpeper County the 14th day of July 1779 This Last Will and Testament of John Berry deceased was exhibited to the Court by Malechiah Berry and Aaron Berry two of the Executors therein named and was proved by the oath of John Witherall one of the witnefses thereto, and George Witherall The above is the will of John Berry Sr naming John as his son. Written May 10, 1771 Probated July 5, 1779

Hi Barbara, I have a copy of the recorded will with these dates and citations: Will dated 10 MAY 1771, Bromfield Parish, Culpeper County, recorded 5 JULY 1779, Culpeper County (WB B, p. 318-319). The will was witnessed by Elizabeth Towles, Ann Wetherall, Mary Wetherall and John Wetherall. Some in the past have jumped to the conclusion that the wife of John Berry was Jemima Wetherall, but I believe any number of us have been around that block and found that such is not the case. My copy of the will is pretty faded but next time I am at LVA I will get a digital copy and upload it to the ancestry site. That is, of course, unless someone else does it sooner. There are lots of us descended from John & Jemima Berry through their daughter Juriah who married Adam Yager, Jr. so while it is indeed a "parallell" family, it is an important one. I don't remember if it was on this list or the Northern Neck list that someone forwarded this tidbit that is interesting (John Berry with wife Jemima, sister of Joseph Mann/Marr) of Craven Co., NC, 1765): <<From: "Florence F. Moore" <fffmoore@aol.com> Subject: [VAAMHERS-L] John BERRY Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:09:29 -0700 Posted on: Amherst County Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Va/Amherst/545 Surname: Berry ------------------------- In the Craven County NC Deed Abstracts, Vol. 1, 1707-1775, Book 1, "23 March 1765, John BERRY, Amhurst Co. VA appoints friend Jacob Blount in Craven Co. his attorney to prosecute a suite...for the recovery of the following negroes...I claim in right of Jemima my wife who was the sister of Joseph MAN (?) (MARR ?) of Craven Co. Wit. Richard Caswell; Test., Chris'r. Neal, Clerk of Court." It appears that John Berry was in Craven County NC with wife Jemima - does anyone in Amhurst Co. range know anything about this John Berry, his wife, his children? The Berrys are my genealogical Brick Wall, and this is the first real clue to who I think may just be a grandfather! The timeframe is correct; Craven County is definitely "in the ballpark." Can you, will you - please - if you know anything, touch base with me? Florence Fulford Moore>> Happy Hunting, Craig Kilby Lancaster, VA On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, barberrey@comcast.net wrote: > > > There appear to me to be many errors and duplications on the John and Jemima Berry page. I know we are only "parallel" family, but people do respect the Germanna Research info and therefore will copy it.. > > > > Several Berry/Berrey researchers have discovered there are conflicting dates on the John Berry will. Is anyone close to Richmond who can copy their Microfilm version and send it to us ???. FHL's goes off the page and we are far away from Virginia. Interlibrary loan has not been able to get it from State Library of VA either.. I will reimburse any expenses. Thanks > > > > Barbara Berrey Stotler or just Barb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miss comments on Germanna_Bounces.  Hope that means people are working on their own family lines. There appear to me to be many errors and duplications on the John and Jemima Berry page.  I know we are only "parallel" family, but people do respect the Germanna Research info and therefore will copy it.. Several Berry/Berrey researchers have discovered there are conflicting dates on the John Berry will.  Is anyone close to Richmond who can copy their Microfilm version and send it to us ???. FHL's goes off the page and we are far away from Virginia.  Interlibrary loan has not been able to get it from State Library of VA either..    I will reimburse any expenses. Thanks   Barbara Berrey Stotler or just Barb

I feel really dumb but what is Germanna-bounces? Am I missing a website or mail list? On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM, <barberrey@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Miss comments on Germanna_Bounces. Hope that means people are working on > their own family lines. > > > > There appear to me to be many errors and duplications on the John and > Jemima Berry page. I know we are only "parallel" family, but people do > respect the Germanna Research info and therefore will copy it.. > > > > Several Berry/Berrey researchers have discovered there are conflicting > dates on the John Berry will. Is anyone close to Richmond who can copy > their Microfilm version and send it to us ???. FHL's goes off the page and > we are far away from Virginia. Interlibrary loan has not been able to get > it from State Library of VA either.. I will reimburse any expenses. > Thanks > > > > Barbara Berrey Stotler or just Barb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have the name of a local historian/professional researcher/genealogist in the Schwaigern area whom I could hire to do some research for me? You can contact me privately if you prefer. Jill Farinelli

It has been a while since I posted this information; but maybe someone has more to contribute to our family mystery. Back in the 1980s, Awilda KACKLEY presented to me some old family records that had been handed down to her concerning her family lineage. She left them with me for several months before I returned them to her. (Before computer family research) Since then, they have gone missing, so I have no record of proof as it concerned them; however, I have since done my own research. My step-daughter, only grand child of above Awilda KACKLEY, has a direct line to Jacob KACKLEY, born about 1702 in Steinhelm, Wurenberg, Germany. Jacob KACKELY died in 1788, Shenandoah County, Virginia. As far as Jacob goes, I have all my ducks in a row as to documents and so forth. Now the hard part, no proof. He was married to Alice SPIELMANN (1717-1805) said to be a daughter of Johannes "John" SPIELMANN and his wife Mary Catharine FISHBACH. I believe the last time I posted on this was sometime in 2009; perhaps someone else has found some references to Alice SPIELMANN. Chocy -----Original Message----- From: rockcatt <rockcatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Clore, Corn, Crisler, Gaar, Kaifer, Speilmann Carolyn, What is your Speilmann connection? There is a Speilmann/Spilman family in the irst Colony, and relatives of the Speilmanns were in the Little Fork Colony, long with Henry Huffman, the 1734 immigrant, his wife was Anna Margaret uettenhen and her mother was a Speilmann. The Speilmanns are from the villages f Seelbach, Oberfischbach and Oberschelden in Nassau-Siegen. Barb Price olzklau/Otterbach/Heimbach/Fischbach LORE, CORN, CRISLER, GAAR, KAIFER, SPEILMANN? ere is my line. Would love to know about them. ?AND Eva Katherina Maria SEIDELMANN ndreas GARR ?AND Theobald Fawatt CRISLERRosina GARR eonard CRISLER AND Margaret CLORE parents are John Michael CLORE and Dorothea AIFER ?AND Elizabeth CORN Michael CRISLER eonard CRISLER ?AND Caroline REESER eorgiana CRISLER....my great grandparents AND Henry BERTRAN ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Often times when we change our minds it is due to learning new information. That is what I appreciate as I eaves drop on this site. I learn new data. My husband was a Martin, etc. descendant. I am still looking for a connection from the Bender in N.C. to the Germanna group. Someday, hopefully! At 10:10 AM 11/1/2011, you wrote: >Cary, > >As you suggest, spin off groups are easy to do, and this not a big >surprise. There are some hard feelings. I wish it wasn't so. There >are many misunderstandings . That Marc called me and explained his >side of things meant a lot to me. I served six years in the Missouri >Legislature. I bring this up to only say I learned how to say "I was >wrong" many times. I am the first to say I am sorry. Too often, >people get stuck in the "I am right!" mode of thinking. The best >thing I ever learned was to say "I've changed my mind." > >To put this in perspective, I'll never forget a remark by a >political operative in St. Louis who, when confronted with a >contradiction of her own making, said "Since when did I lose the >right to change my mind?" > >And that is what we often do in genealogy. > >Always good to hear from you, Cary > > >Craig Kilby > >On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Cary Anderson wrote: > > > Thanks Craig for posting your interaction with Marc. A phone conversation > > is still the best to face to face for communication. I feel much better > > about the situation. > > > > The little spin off groups are easy to form in this day of instance > > communication. > > > > I still prefer face-to-face, and if not possible, phone conversation, the > > old fashion way. > > > > Now onward re our historical & genealogical research putting history > > together the way each of us see it. > > > > Anyhow, > > Thanks again Craig. > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cary, As you suggest, spin off groups are easy to do, and this not a big surprise. There are some hard feelings. I wish it wasn't so. There are many misunderstandings . That Marc called me and explained his side of things meant a lot to me. I served six years in the Missouri Legislature. I bring this up to only say I learned how to say "I was wrong" many times. I am the first to say I am sorry. Too often, people get stuck in the "I am right!" mode of thinking. The best thing I ever learned was to say "I've changed my mind." To put this in perspective, I'll never forget a remark by a political operative in St. Louis who, when confronted with a contradiction of her own making, said "Since when did I lose the right to change my mind?" And that is what we often do in genealogy. Always good to hear from you, Cary Craig Kilby On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Cary Anderson wrote: > Thanks Craig for posting your interaction with Marc. A phone conversation > is still the best to face to face for communication. I feel much better > about the situation. > > The little spin off groups are easy to form in this day of instance > communication. > > I still prefer face-to-face, and if not possible, phone conversation, the > old fashion way. > > Now onward re our historical & genealogical research putting history > together the way each of us see it. > > Anyhow, > Thanks again Craig. > > Cary > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara and all, Like with some other families (i.e. Ballenger, Thomas) we have to be careful not to confuse these surnames like Spillman from the English people and the Germanna people. Spillman (various spellings) are a good example Last week I was at the Library of Virginia looking at loose (unrecorded) wills. One was for Hannah (Ball) Fox, widow of David-2 Fox dated 31 OCT 1708. Long before any Germanna people arrived on these shores. She names her daughter Hannah Spelman (widow of Clement Spelman, first husband was Rodham Kenner...it gets confusing) I often wonder who knew whom in this period of time. Craig Kilby On Oct 31, 2011, at 10:54 PM, RockCatt@aol.com wrote: > > Carolyn, > > What is your Speilmann connection? There is a Speilmann/Spilman family in the First Colony, and relatives of the Speilmanns were in the Little Fork Colony, along with Henry Huffman, the 1734 immigrant, his wife was Anna Margaret Huettenhen and her mother was a Speilmann. The Speilmanns are from the villages of Seelbach, Oberfischbach and Oberschelden in Nassau-Siegen. > > Barb Price > Holzklau/Otterbach/Heimbach/Fischbach > > > CLORE, CORN, CRISLER, GAAR, KAIFER, SPEILMANN? > ? > Here is my line. Would love to know about them. > ??AND Eva Katherina Maria SEIDELMANN > Andreas GARR > ?AND Theobald Fawatt CRISLERRosina GARR > Leonard CRISLER AND Margaret CLORE parents are John Michael CLORE and Dorothea > KAIFER > > ?AND Elizabeth CORN Michael CRISLER > Leonard CRISLER ?AND Caroline REESER > ? > Georgiana CRISLER....my great grandparents > > AND Henry BERTRAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn, What is your Speilmann connection? There is a Speilmann/Spilman family in the First Colony, and relatives of the Speilmanns were in the Little Fork Colony, along with Henry Huffman, the 1734 immigrant, his wife was Anna Margaret Huettenhen and her mother was a Speilmann. The Speilmanns are from the villages of Seelbach, Oberfischbach and Oberschelden in Nassau-Siegen. Barb Price Holzklau/Otterbach/Heimbach/Fischbach CLORE, CORN, CRISLER, GAAR, KAIFER, SPEILMANN? ? Here is my line. Would love to know about them. ??AND Eva Katherina Maria SEIDELMANN Andreas GARR ?AND Theobald Fawatt CRISLERRosina GARR Leonard CRISLER AND Margaret CLORE parents are John Michael CLORE and Dorothea KAIFER ?AND Elizabeth CORN Michael CRISLER Leonard CRISLER ?AND Caroline REESER ? Georgiana CRISLER....my great grandparents AND Henry BERTRAN

In the U.S and International Marriage Records 1560-1900 Joel is married to Mary Wilhoit. His birth year is listed 1756, I have him born around 1743. In Tobias married to Catherine(maybe Walk) I have Michael, Conrad, Catherine, Mary, Jesse, William without mention of Joel, 1743 John 1745 and Lewis 1747. I have mixed up the children of Tobias and Mathias married to Mary Ballenger. Mathias just disappears when he and some family go to the Carolina's.

In the U.S and International Marriage Records 1560-1900 Joel is married to Mary Wilhoit. His birth year is listed 1756, I have him born around 1743. In Tobias married to Catherine(maybe Walk) I have Michael, Conrad, Catherine, Mary, Jesse, William without mention of Joel, 1743 John 1745 and Lewis 1747. I have mixed up the children of Tobias and Mathias married to Mary Ballenger. Mathias just disappears when he and some family go to the Carolina's.

Thanks Craig for posting your interaction with Marc. A phone conversation is still the best to face to face for communication. I feel much better about the situation. The little spin off groups are easy to form in this day of instance communication. I still prefer face-to-face, and if not possible, phone conversation, the old fashion way. Now onward re our historical & genealogical research putting history together the way each of us see it. Anyhow, Thanks again Craig. Cary

Dear Germanna descendants, No doubt, many subscribers subscribe to Dick Eastman's almost-daily newsletter, who keeps up up-to-date on genealogical happenings. He frequently notifies us of new occurrences on the Familysearch.org website and associated websites--such as the FHL wiki. Anyway, I just returned recently from a week's research trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, and when I began to use the online FHL Library catalog (I prefer the Classic version to the new dumbed-down newer catalog) I was astounded to find many records have been digitized--even some of the previously suppressed pre-1837 English parish records where I found a few *usual suspects* related to my English maternal grandmother. As I was seeking some early probate records of Henderson Co., KY (paternal great-grandfather, whose second wife was a Kemper, I was astounded to learn that many of these records (alas, not early ones) have been digitized, and you can sit at your computer and read these records.  There is a whole new printing system since my visit last year.  Highly computerized--but not infallible, we learned!!!  I suggest you jot down some of your *imponderables*, think up some search terms, and see what you can find on the Family History Library Catalog besides lists of books and films.  What kinds of records do you wish would fall in your lap--at home?  Maybe not this week, however. For example, just as I typed the above, I wondered whether there might be at least a familysearch.wiki on the First and the Second Germanna colonies in Virginia.  Hmm--something for you and me to explore!!!  And notify the rest of us!!! There has been a bit of back-and-forthing on this rootsweb.com about Weaver aka Wever family members. Relying on one of  my several books of Fauquier Co., VA I find this in a court record: [Fauquier Col, VA] May court 1780 [22 May] O. [ordered] that Tilman Wever, John Wever, John Herndon and John Ashby,or any 3 of them, first being sworn, appraise the estate of Augustine Smith, dec'd. (John K. Gott, Fauquier County Virginia Court Records 1776-1782 [Bowie, MD:  Heritage Books, 1993] p. 104.) Heritage Books is now in Westminster, MD.  There is a website, and also a free catalog with a multitude of books. I see I need to order some more books regarding colonial Fauquier Co. (before my remaining Kempers moved to Kentucky, where they bought land from their cousins, the Holtzclaws!!!!) Oh, yes, Iberian Publishing Co.--now New Papyrus Publishing--of Athens GA --has other other books concerning Fauquier Families such as a supplement by John P. Alcock. Hmm!  In the Fauquier Co. quotation above, I wonder if the John Ashby listed in 1780 COB, Fauquier Co. might be the same person who was commander of the 2nd Virginia Rangers in 1755 (French and Indian War). This information about enlists in the 2nd Virginia Rangers comes from Lloyd D. Bockstruck's Virginia's Colonial Soldiers [Baltimore:  Genealogical Publ. Co., 1988], p. 53]      One of Ashby's soldiers/enlistees was one Jesse Oldham, , 7 Sept, 5' '8'", dark [complection, 21 [age], Virginia, carpenter. (Jesse was not a Germanna descendant, but he next appears in the literature (as I know it) some years later was in colonial Orange Co. NC where he married a bride whose parents were from Fairfax Co., VA (Richard Simpson and Mary Kincheloe, were his in-laws).  He stayed in North Carolina until after the Revolution when he relocated to Kentucky--near Boonesborough in Madison Co., KY.  Any information about Jesse Oldham accepted.  A whole bunch of Oldhams show up on the early tax lists of Caswell Co. NC. E.W.Wallace "

There is also the book by John Wesley Garr and John Calhoun Garr, " Genealogy of the Descendants of John Gar, or more Particularly his son Andreas Gaar who emigrated from Bavaria to America in 1732". It brings the generations down, and is pretty reliable on most things, I've heard. I have the CD John mentioned, it is helpful not just for the genealogy information, but it has a lot of general info about a lot of things that is very interesting. Karen On 10/30/2011 3:10 AM, Carolyn Hughes wrote: > CLORE, CORN, CRISLER, GAAR, KAIFER, SPEILMANN > > Here is my line. Would love to know about them. > AND Eva Katherina Maria SEIDELMANN > Andreas GARR >