E.W., I am not sure E.W. but Zimmerman is synonomous with Carpenter, it's english meaning. I have Zimmerman's & Carpenters. Just a thought. Erin T. Crowe IBSSG Let my kisses fall, Upon your starry eyes, The windows of your soul, Where all true beauty lies. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Zimmerman aka Simberman, etc. > While trolling Vol. 3 of Nell Marion Nugent's Cavaliers & Pioneers, > 1695-1732, looking for patents for a certain Harris of the area around > Hanover Co. > in this time period, I am running into a Simberman, Christopher. > > Now, looking in the index under S, I find these listings [without page > numbers--that is for you other genealogists] > > Simberman, Christopher > > Simmerman, Christopher > > Simmorman, Christopher > > There is no listing under Z. > > Could this be the Germanna colonist Christopher Zimmerman? > > Research never stops, does it? Only when we are disabled or can no > longer > see. > > E.W.Wallace > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 7/21/2008 03:44 PM Monday, avis walker wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Just wondering how to post or add correctly to the Joel Blankenbaker family on >the Ancestry site - I have the backup information for daughter Louisa, all >info corroborated with Newton and Jasper Co IN records that I would list - I >don't put information into my computer unless I see it in print - and don't >'guess' the connection. SO, what do I do to further the tree? Send information >and fact finding to Germanna Foundation???? >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hello Avis, You have to send me the information and I'll add it to the database, then upload a new file to the Ancestry/Rootsweb websites. The Germanna Foundation isn't really involved in this project. It's just something I decided to do after being asked by Jim Albin (President of the Germanna "Association") if I would do it. Marc Wheat (President of the Germanna "Foundation") is aware of my very ambitions project (paraphrasing an email from him) and, so far, no one has "dissed" it. Just be aware that any data you send may take a while to show up in the databases. Seems like every time I start entering new data, I find familial links to other Germanna families (1st and 2nd Colonies) and always try to trace them down before completing the new data. That sometimes takes days. If you want to send the data for Joel BLANKENBAKER, please don't send a GEDCOM. (I detest those things!) Just prepare a Report of some kind from your genealogy program. Pedigree Charts, Family Group Sheets, Narrative Reports, etc., are OK. Descendant Lists are also OK. Some cousins send me files they have composed in MS Word even. As long as it's easily read. I really don't like "Ahnentafels" because it takes too long to sort out the different generations. Send your data, Sarge (Please don't send here to this Mailing List! Send to: GermannaResearch@comcast.net with a subject line that describes what you're sending.)

At 7/21/2008 11:06 AM Monday, Corlee Morris wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Help, > >somehow I have lost the link to the Germanna Family >Tree on the Rootweb side of Ancestery. > >Corlee Morris >San Diego **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hi Corlee, <http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna> Enjoy, Sarge

>From the Rockingham Co., NC genweb site. Any familiar names here other than Thomas? Frederick COBLER...from Culpepper Co. VA George Washington COURTS/COATS..from Culpepper Co. VA Edwin HICKMAN ...from Alebemarle, Culpepper and Halifax Co. VA Edwin HICKMAN Sr. ...from Culpepper Co. VA Thomas SIMS...from Culpepper Co. VA Lewis THOMAS...from Culpepper Co. VA Michael THOMAS...from Culpepper Co. VA William THOMAS ..from Culpepper Co. VA John VAWTER....from Essex, Madison, and Culpepper Co. VA John WARD....from Culpepper Co. VA Theodocia WELCH..from Culpepper Co. VA Leonard ZIGLAR....from Culpepper Co. VA  

Hi all, I am usually pretty wound up in Michael Thomas and his sons but wanted to introduce you to one of the sons of Hans(John) Wendel Thomas and his second wife -- William Madison Thomas.  I did not know of this connection until DNA testing proved the Rockingham Co. NC Thomas relationship.  Anyway, meet William Name: William Madison THOMAS  Sex: M  Birth: 20 JAN 1763 in Culpepper Co, VA  Marriage 1 Agnes Nancy CARUTHERS b: 1774 in North Carolina Married: 19 JAN 1792 in Elbert Co, GA Death: 27 NOV 1835 in Franklin Co, GA  Burial: Thomas Family Cemetery, Banks Co, GA  Military Service: Revolutionary War - North Carolina No. 6279, B.L. Wt. 26102-160-55  Note:  He was one of the first members of Hebron Presbyterian Church in Banks County, Georgia >From "Early Families of the North Carolina Counties of Rockingham and Stokes with Revolutionary Service" ... Compiled and Published by members of James Hunter Chapter National Society Daughters of American Revolution of Madison, North Carolina, 1977: As a resident of Guilford Co, NC, William Thomas stated in his application for pension on 3 Sept 1832, living at that time in Franklin Co, GA, that he served a tour of 3 months as a private in Aug 1777 under Capt. John Leak in the regiment of Col. James Martin; that in Aug 1778, he served 3 months as a private under the same officers. He was also entitled for a tour under Capt. Ralph Chapman and Col. Lytle but was taken sick and furloughed home. He served for 10 weeks under Capt. Richard Vernon in Oct 1781 and was engaged in routing out bands of Tories in the surrounding counties. William Thomas stated that he was born in Culpeper Co, VA . He moved to Elbert Co, GA in 1784 and to Franklin Co, GA in 1788. 1827 Georgia Land Lottery, Franklin County Residents Sec: 2 Dist: 5 Lot No.: 145 William Thomas -- R.S. (Revolutionary Soldier) Residence: Franklin County Capt. Dist.: Hudsons County of Draw: Muscogee County 18th Day's Drawing - 27th March 1830 Census, Franklin Co, GA, pg. 220 Males: 2 @ 15-20 1 @ 60-70 Females: 1 @ 15-20 2 @ 20-30 1 @ 40-50 Recorded 11 December 1835 Franklin County, Georgia I William Thomas of the County of Franklin and State of Georgia being of sound mind and memory, but knowing the certainty of death, that it is appointed once for all men to die, do make ordain and publish this my Last Will and Testament, revoking all former wills and making void the same - heretofore made by me; and first I direct my body to be decently buried, and my soul to them that gave it, and also all my just debts paid off. The 2nd item in my will is that my three youngest daughters be given a good horse or beast to be of the value of Eighty dollars, as soon after my decease as profitable. Also my will is that my three daughters, that is Sarah, Mary and Anny Thomas have two hundred dollars given to them to be equally divided after taking off twenty dollars from the two hundred and putting to the raising of the last horse; and also my will is that my three above named daughters be given two feather beds and furniture each. Thirdly, my will is that my son Madison H. Thomas have all that part of my land below the Creek that is Gun Creek on the South Side of the Grove (trees or River) joining Martin's land to his only proper use and benefit forever. Fourthly, my will is that my beloved wife Nancy Thomas have and keep in possession the balance of all my landed property, negroes, stock of every kind, household and kitchen furniture of every description, whatever, during her natural life and then and not till then my will is that everything of every description be sold and divided equally amongst all my children --- And I do hereby make and ordain my son Madison H. Thomas Executor and my beloved wife Nancy Thomas Executrix of this my last will and Testament -- In witness whereof, I William Thomas, the testor, have to this last will and Testament set my hand and seal this the thirty first day of July in the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred and thirty five. William Thomas (Seal) Signed Sealed and delivered in  the presence of us, who have subscribed in the presence  of each other: Gabriel Martin M.H. Thomas Sarah Thomas After his death, Agnes Thomas applied for a pension of the Revolutionary War service of her husband . She was living in Franklin Co, GA (Pension File #W-6279; B. L. Wt. 26102-160-55). In her application she submitted the family Bible records of their children -- birth dates and whom they married.  The Thomas Family Cemetery is located near Thomas' bridge Hwy 59, Banks County, Georgia. Note: William and his 3 brothers -- Joel, Jesse and Lewis along with his 1/2 brother Michael all served in the Rev. War for NC. Joel, Jesse, Lewis and William all served in Capt Vernon's company. 

OK I will give you the direct, for myself. I will do it when I come in from class this evening. It used to be neat and clean LOL.. Germanna Society contacted me more than ten years ago saying they thought our line was the one that they could not find. At the time I was tied up with Grandchildren and mother in law and could not spend time on it. Susi ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Banner Blue was the group who printed my data with out my permission but was passed off as someone elses to them. Grrr O well Sorry I confused you takes time for brain to work sometimes. Susi ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

The best that I can determine at the moment is that Mary Frances Beasley was born in SC and John L. Holtzclaw (also shown as John H. in one census) was born in GA.  I haven't narrowed down the research area to a particular county yet in either state.  They did live in the Belton area of Anderson Co SC for some years. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "rockcatt@aol.com" <rockcatt@aol.com> I'm interested in this Holtzclaw/Beasley connection as there is also one a generation earlier in the family of Timothy and Rhoda (Graham) Holtzclaw through their son, Nathan. Nathan Holtzclaw b. 1780 Pr Wm Co., VA d. 1814 Wilkes Co., GA ? m. Jincey Beasley b. ? d. 1857 GA She is the daughter of Richard Beasley and I found the following records:

I would like to order one of John B.'s books. How could I do that?

Just wondering how to post or add correctly to the Joel Blankenbaker family on the Ancestry site - I have the backup information for daughter Louisa, all info corroborated with Newton and Jasper Co IN records that I would list - I don't put information into my computer unless I see it in print - and don't 'guess' the connection. SO, what do I do to further the tree? Send information and fact finding to Germanna Foundation???? ----- Original Message ---- From: Marilyn Schwartz <familyismytreasure@comcast.net> To: Rose Williams <vortex3@suddenlink.net>; germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:14:06 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Come see our family tree "Germanna Families (1st&2ndColonies)" on Ancestry.com Rose and Bonnie, You must have missed the update from George Durman.  You can see his family tree at the link below on Rootsweb: -----Original Message----- From: George W. Durman [mailto:GermannaResearch@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:18 AM To: Marilyn Schwartz; germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GERMANNA] Come see our family tree "Germanna Families (1st & 2ndColonies)" on Ancestry.com <I tried something at Ancestry and it didn't work, it seems.  I've uploaded the database to both Rootsweb and to Ancestry: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna I can't even access the database at Ancestry myself! Just ignore the post that came from Ancestry and go to the Rootsweb site. Sorry about the problem, Sarge> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, they don't. I was once told by a clerk there that mice had eaten them in the attic. But, they DO have marriage licenses and returns from 1852 forward. LVA doesn't have those on microfilm, alas. What does survive of the few older marriage BONDS are in the Marriage Register. Craig On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:13 AM, germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:42:04 -0400 > From: "Jan Hensley" <janhensley@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] LVA site, Culpeper holdings on microfilm > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > > I've been to the Culpeper Courthouse looking for the old marriage > bonds and > they don't have any . . .

Barb: There a thread about this just yesterday on another list. This problem plagues AOL users, and the cure is to change your format to PLAIN TEXT instead of HTML. Craig On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:13 AM, germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:51:23 -0400 > From: rockcatt@aol.com > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] John L. Holtzclaw/Mary Frances Beasley in SC > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CAB8F3CBD5924B-B68-415D@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sorry about all of the question marks in the note that I just sent > to the List, I'm not sure why they are on the note, they don't > belong there!? I'm not able to connect very well as I'm still in my > hotel from attending the Germanna Reunion.? It will be better > tomorrow from home. > > Barb

I have gotten in on the end of this discussion of the new book so do not have the facts etc. "The Second Germanna Colony and Other Pioneers" by John Blankenbaker. Would appreciate knowing how I may purchase this volume. Do you have to attend the "Reunion" to purchase? I would certainly like to have a copy. My German ancestors are the Snyders who apparently are of the 2nd Germana Colony. John Snyder with sons, Michael, John and Adam. Also have Stiglers but Samuel came from King George Co. before purchasing 400 ac near Piney Mt. in Culpeper Co. Then there is Thomas Brown (d 1786) but.. another story,. However the title has in it "and other Pioneers". That sounds most interesting. Appreciate any info. Thanks Mary Ann Shoemaker germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > There are two ways to receive the DIGEST Mode for this Mailing List: > > 1) PLAIN TEXT-Plain Text Digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. This is the default when a user subscribes to the Digest Mode. > > 2) MIME-For most users MIME Digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments. If you are receiving in Plain Text and want your Digest in MIME, please write me directly at GERMANNA_COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ############### > > When replying to a Digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the Digest from your reply. > > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. That is, if you change the subject, CHANGE the subject line! > > George > List Administrator > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: "The Second Germanna Colony and Other Pioneers" by > JohnBlankenbaker (George W. Durman) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMANNA_COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMANNA_COLONIES mailing list, send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. >

Help, somehow I have lost the link to the Germanna Family Tree on the Rootweb side of Ancestery. Corlee Morris San Diego

Sarge: At present, all the information is in my computer (lumps, bumps, warts, and all). I haven't posted it to an internet site, since I look at it as a "work in progress". If you would like information on a particular person, or line, just email me with your request. I would appreciate it if anybody, making a request, would please include the name, approximate birth date, etc., as there are many people with the same names. Since there are over 30,000 entries, it would be a BIG file, if I were to send it all. I just came across information that was sent to me, re: Sarah FLESHMAN, daughter of Robert FLESHMAN and Dorothea BAUMGARDNER. Sarah was b. 1778 in Greenbrier County, VA (now WV) and married James STEWART b. 2/27/1772 in Greenbrier County. They married 11/06/1795 in Greenbrier County. James died 3/01/1835 in Greene County, IN. Sarah died between 1832 and 1834 in Greene County, IN. I found this information to be fascinating, since Sarah seems to have been left out of every document, with one exception, regarding any relationship to her family. In fact, a family monument, which was built in the early 1980s, by FLESHMAN descendants, to encase the one fieldstone marker (Robert's) found at the family burial site (with an old maple tree growing around it) on Muddy Creek Mountain, does not list Sarah and her spouse on the bronze marker, which was made and affixed to the monument. All other children and their spouses are on the marker. The file I received, includes the descendants of James and Sarah. I am currently entering them in my database. Of course, finding the "missing person" leads one to ask questions. Was Sarah "disowned" because she married a man of the LDS faith? Their daughter wrote a very interesting story about how these people were persecuted. I love finding the stories about the ancestors. Of course, I've got a lot of researching to do on this group, too. That is only one file, of a HUGE stack, which I received from connections I had made, before my life came to a sudden WHOA. I can hardly wait to see what awaits me, as I work my way through this pile. Of course, I'd rather do research than eat. I have worked on lookups, from time to time, as I have a large library of books, including a complete set of Greenbrier County Cemetery books. Let me know what you need and I'll see if I have it. Linda Johnston > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:54:45 -0400 > From: "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] - John Blankenbaker's New Book and CD > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200807210709.m6L79PwL018883@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; x-AttchRem=yes; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > At 7/17/2008 08:46 AM Thursday, Linda Johnston wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >>Suzee: >> >>You have expressed my thoughts on this matter, too. >>(snip) >>For those, who may not know, I have typed all the entries in Larry Shuck's >>book, "Our Families". >>(snip) >>Linda Johnston >>(snip) > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > Linda, I agree with you and Suzee. > > As to the Larry Shuck book, where can we find what you have done? > Have you posted it anywhere on the Internet? > > Sarge

At 7/16/2008 11:23 PM Wednesday, Suzee Oberg wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I have attended reunions in the past, donated to the foundation both >financially and with genealogy papers and would certainly attend if >possible and I find it to be very frustrating to be told that because I >cannot attend the reunion, I cannot order this book on CD as well as get a >hard copy. CD's are so much easier to search. I will order the book but am >MOST UNHAPPY to be unable to get both. There are likely others like me who >would pay for both. CD's cost little to make and are simple to copy so I do >not understand this. >Suzee Oberg >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Suzee, I agree! Although I haven't attended the Reunions, I have donated to the "Foundation", and I have done my share of advancing genealogy research for the Germanna families. I'm kind of "miffed" too that I can't get the CD and the book, as a "favored" person. Sarge

At 7/17/2008 11:41 AM Thursday, you wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Dear Sarge, > >I know that this may be off topic, but I thought that >others might benefit from your knowledge. > > I am a member of the "Computer Genealogy Society of >San Diego". We are celebrating our 20th anniversary >this coming Saturday. This Society started as a >Special Interest Users Group for the computer based >genealogy programs 20 years ago. We have a member >that is a Beta tester for LDS Family Search and the IT >guy for the UCSD School of International Studies ( A >very tech savvy guy), > > Last month he gave use a presentation on the future >of Computer Genealogy which will be Web 2.0 >Technology. After taking a good look at the Germanna >Family Tree on Rootsweb, it looks like you have >already implemented this technology for our Germanna >Families. > >I would like to set up a similar database for "My >Morris Surname DNA Project" Can you point me in the >right direction to start one? > >Sincerely your, > >Your Cousin Corlee Morris **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hey Cuz, Well, once again, thanks for the kudos, but I really don't know what you mean. (GRIN) How have I "...implemented this technology..."? I don't even know what I've done! Let me know exactly what you are referring to and I'll help in any way I can. All I have done is use a very, very good genealogy program and put into it what I thought was necessary. Answer soonest, Yer Cuz, Sarge

At 7/17/2008 10:44 AM Thursday, Corlee Morris wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I just took a real look at the "Germanna Family Tree" >on Rootsweb. W O W ... > >K U D O S to the creator(s) > >Sincerely your, > >Corlee Morris **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Thank you Corlee. You gonna be at the East Tennessee Germanna Reunion this year? Sarge

At 7/17/2008 08:46 AM Thursday, Linda Johnston wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Suzee: > >You have expressed my thoughts on this matter, too. >(snip) >For those, who may not know, I have typed all the entries in Larry Shuck's >book, "Our Families". >(snip) >Linda Johnston >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Linda, I agree with you and Suzee. As to the Larry Shuck book, where can we find what you have done? Have you posted it anywhere on the Internet? Sarge

At 7/15/2008 07:56 PM Tuesday, davidkentcoy@peoplepc.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Sarge (and Anyone Else) >I was going to post the data I have found on Nicholas Blankenbaker to the >Germanna List. However, when I looked at what I had typed into my computer >database, I decided it wasn't adequate, so I am going to hold off until I >can put more of it together in the computer. I started researching 40 years >ago (this month) when I was 15, but have not always entered everything into >the computer like I should. Much of what I have found was way before I ever >got a computer. So - hang in there and I will try to post it soon. Thanks >for this opportunity. >David Kent Coy >A direct descendant of Nicholas Blankenbaker **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hello Cousin David, We're waiting with bated breath for your data. Any Germanna data is welcome -- we're always eager to learn of other branches of these families. I'm 15 years older than you, but haven't been doing genealogy research nearly as long as you. I started just about 25 years ago! Don't forget -- when you get it all straightened out, be sure to send me the data so I can enter it into the database. Yer Cuz, Sarge