This marriage (someone named Mary and John Jacob Nay) would have been in America probably between 1836 and 1839. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Matson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:30 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency.  He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all.  His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions.  Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think  that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the  daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born?  It looks like  Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742.  Her  parents were born in 1712 and 1713.  Holtzclaw was very diligent about his  research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at  Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that  lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time,  snay2@verizon.net writes: Does  anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans  Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork?  My Nay ancestor was  married to a woman named Mary.  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency.  He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all.  His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions.  Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think  that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the  daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born?  It looks like  Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742.  Her  parents were born in 1712 and 1713.  Holtzclaw was very diligent about his  research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at  Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that  lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time,  snay2@verizon.net writes: Does  anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans  Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork?  My Nay ancestor was  married to a woman named Mary. 

I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born? It looks like Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742. Her parents were born in 1712 and 1713. Holtzclaw was very diligent about his research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time, snay2@verizon.net writes: Does anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork? My Nay ancestor was married to a woman named Mary. He evidently apprenticed with Henry Huffman at Little Fork and the Huffman Mary seems a good candidate, although I would think she would have been born early than what Holtzclaw speculates. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of HFTHusma@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:02 AM To: MsEagle246@aol.com Cc: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann; Germanna Families (1st & 2nd Colonies) In a message dated 7/18/2008 6:55:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mseagle246@aol.com writes: I've been reluctant to post my question for fear of not doing it quite right.? I'm pretty new at this.? But recently I came across the fact that I am possibly a Germanna descendant.? I've searched the Germanna tree that was recently posted on Rootsweb and cannot find Hans Henrich Hofmann _____________ Hans Heinrick Hofmann arrived in Philadelphia in 1734 with his bride, Anna Huettenhen thus he came after the 1st and 2nd Colonies. They joined the Little Fork Group in northern Culpeper Co., VA. The records show that his name was anglisized to Henry HUFFMAN. Tillman was their first child. Best regards, Hugh **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

And then there are the Pennsylvania bunch of Germans: (Julius Kaemper) WILL AND ESTATE OF PETER MEFFERT ABSTRACT OF WILLS BY ALFRED SMITH OF PHILADELPHIA BERKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA VOL. 1 .1752-1798 Page 239 WILL OF PETER MEFFERT To the Reformed German Congregation in reading.25 Lbs. All rem. Real and Personal to my ONLY SON ABRAHAM but in case he should die in his minority I dispose of my estate as follows: The child of my brother JULIUS my land in Northampton County - about 700 acres in 3 tracts. To John and Elizabeth, children of George Yeager in reading, a lot of ground in Sunbury, Northumberland County. Exrs. To sell house and lot in Reading and all rem. Of estate and pay to the above named congregation the further sum of 25 Lbs. And 50 Lbs. To the above named John and Elizabeth Yeager. 50 Lbs. To John and Elizabeth, children of Conrad Geist in Reading and 50 Lbs. To Elizabeth daughter of Julius Kaemper and 25 Lbs. To Kaniel Korper, son of Brother Valentin and 50 Lbs. To the child of my niece, Christina, wife of Henry Schreafler in Reading. 25 Lbs. To Paul, son of Henry Bingeman. Remainder to Brother Julius and Brother in law George Yeager. Exrs. Friend Daniel Rose to be Guardian of son Abraham. 13 January 1778 Douglas County Wit. Henry Christ, Jr. and Peter Groff Admn. To Ann Mary Meffert, the widow -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hdanw@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:56 PM To: GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Unknown Ancestors Cary, in response to Kathleen's post about the 1950 picnic for the Germanna group, wrote: Kathleen wrote: ---- > > The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: > > "Picnic at Germanna. > . > The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, 1717, 1719 and 1724. One might have to know the number estimated living in 1950. I think we have members of this list who know how to determined such estimates. If a room full of people all know all their ancestry back five generations, there will be at least one set of blood cousins present. I think the number has to be at least 20 persons. The problem is most people don't know all their ancestry back five generations. Even in a room of dedicated genealogists, there seems to always be one set of great-great grandparents that are unknown. I like to brag on being back to 1450 in the village of Hochdorf on my Katz and get all the nice mumbling of ooohss and ahs. But, then I quickly say, "Let me tell you about my great-grandfather, b 1841 in Tennessee as per the census." I've never found him and I started in 1956! Cary My response: I have to agree with Cary. There is my Baden-born ancestor [great-grandfather on my mother's side] who showed up in Texas about the end of the Civil War, and his name is Wilhelm Braun, anglicized to William Brown. His naturalization petition says *Prussia*! I doubt that I, the only known family historian, among the multitude of Brown cousins, will ever discover Braun's origins in Baden. At a recent genealogical conference, I glimpsed a book on localities in Baden, and there were so many localities listed, it made my head swim. Now, if I were ten years old and interested in research, I might dare to begin research!!! So, Cary probably hit the nail on the head!!! And my Dad's lineage is so full of common surnames, most of whom fled colonial Virginia!!! But not the Kempers--they stuck around for a while and began marrying outside the *Germanna colonists*! (But there are SO MANY John Kempers!!!) E.W.Wallace **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cary, in response to Kathleen's post about the 1950 picnic for the Germanna group, wrote: Kathleen wrote: ---- > > The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: > > "Picnic at Germanna. > . > The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, 1717, 1719 and 1724. One might have to know the number estimated living in 1950. I think we have members of this list who know how to determined such estimates. If a room full of people all know all their ancestry back five generations, there will be at least one set of blood cousins present. I think the number has to be at least 20 persons. The problem is most people don't know all their ancestry back five generations. Even in a room of dedicated genealogists, there seems to always be one set of great-great grandparents that are unknown. I like to brag on being back to 1450 in the village of Hochdorf on my Katz and get all the nice mumbling of ooohss and ahs. But, then I quickly say, "Let me tell you about my great-grandfather, b 1841 in Tennessee as per the census." I've never found him and I started in 1956! Cary My response: I have to agree with Cary. There is my Baden-born ancestor [great-grandfather on my mother's side] who showed up in Texas about the end of the Civil War, and his name is Wilhelm Braun, anglicized to William Brown. His naturalization petition says *Prussia*! I doubt that I, the only known family historian, among the multitude of Brown cousins, will ever discover Braun's origins in Baden. At a recent genealogical conference, I glimpsed a book on localities in Baden, and there were so many localities listed, it made my head swim. Now, if I were ten years old and interested in research, I might dare to begin research!!! So, Cary probably hit the nail on the head!!! And my Dad's lineage is so full of common surnames, most of whom fled colonial Virginia!!! But not the Kempers--they stuck around for a while and began marrying outside the *Germanna colonists*! (But there are SO MANY John Kempers!!!) E.W.Wallace **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I guess I have expired, because I have not received a recnt newsletter. We [my local genealogical society] use a post card system and it brings in over 50 per cent of our delinquents. That's $about $7.75 profit for our genealogical society. Or we sometimes just add a notice and send a freebie. Postal rates are crazy. If we mail 200 copies of our quarterly it is cheaper using our special price, than mailing 130 to just the members who have renewed. So in the long-run, trying to save pennies, organizations loose dollars. There are several societies which I have been lasped for several years. If I had received a renewal notice, I'd probably still belong. Remember we oldies have a lot stored in our built in computer with which we were born. Then if we are active, things slide under piles, etc, ad nauseum. :>) Cary ---- "Kathleen B. Simons" <kathleen.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: > The recent newsletter sent to all existing members has a reminder on the > mailing label - it shows your current membership expiration date on the > upper right. >

Yep; and we all relate to Charlemagne, etc. Someone recently wrote about a connection on a maternal line (not VA or Germanna) to tell me that he & I are 9th cousins of Barack Obama. Well, a gazillion people are his ninth cousin! :-) Kathleen On 7/25/08, drcary@cox.net <drcary@cox.net> wrote: > > Kathleen wrote: > ---- > > > > The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: > > > > "Picnic at Germanna. > > . > > The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the > landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, > 1717, 1719 and 1724. > > One might have to know the number estimated living in 1950. I think we > have members of this list who know how to determined such estimates. If a > room full of people all know all their ancestry back five generations, there > will be at least one set of blood cousins present. I think the number has > to be at least 20 persons. The problem is most people don't know all their > ancestry back five generations. Even in a room of dedicated genealogists, > there seems to always be one set of great-great grandparents that are > unknown. > > I like to brag on being back to 1450 in the village of Hochdorf on my Katz > and get all the nice mumbling of ooohss and ahs. But, then I quickly say, > "Let me tell you about my great-grandfather, b 1841 in Tennessee as per the > census." I've never found him and I started in 1956! > > Cary > > > -- > Kathleen Bowen Simons > Falls Church, Virginia > > IMAGE - a No. VA Christian church whose mission is simple: Worship. > Community. Service. > www.thisisimage.com (click on the Audio icon to hear Pastor Chris' > messages!) > > Listen to a beautiful song, "Feel the Ocean Calling," by Roderick C. > Simons: http://www.myspace.com/roderickcsimons

Kathleen wrote: ---- > > The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: > > "Picnic at Germanna. > . > The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, 1717, 1719 and 1724. One might have to know the number estimated living in 1950. I think we have members of this list who know how to determined such estimates. If a room full of people all know all their ancestry back five generations, there will be at least one set of blood cousins present. I think the number has to be at least 20 persons. The problem is most people don't know all their ancestry back five generations. Even in a room of dedicated genealogists, there seems to always be one set of great-great grandparents that are unknown. I like to brag on being back to 1450 in the village of Hochdorf on my Katz and get all the nice mumbling of ooohss and ahs. But, then I quickly say, "Let me tell you about my great-grandfather, b 1841 in Tennessee as per the census." I've never found him and I started in 1956! Cary

Craig, Your story is interesting, We enjoyed it. Thanks. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net

The recent newsletter sent to all existing members has a reminder on the mailing label - it shows your current membership expiration date on the upper right. Maybe the Foundation can establish a reminder via email for those members who provide email addresses? Individual reminder mailings are so costly. Kathleen On 7/25/08, drcary@cox.net <drcary@cox.net> wrote: > > Hi Barb, > > I received nothing reminding me to renew my membership to the Germanna > Foundation. I wonder how many others are in the same situation. Do > memberships expire the end of June or just when? > > I think it is $20, but could you just post the address to which it is to > mailed. I don't know if this type of thing is allowed by rootsweb, but I > did see the discussion of the price of a book and how to get it. > > What is the thing that Virginia Nuta is editing. > > What is the news regarding future Germanna Tours to Germany? > > Cary > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kathleen Bowen Simons Falls Church, Virginia IMAGE - a No. VA Christian church whose mission is simple: Worship. Community. Service. www.thisisimage.com (click on the Audio icon to hear Pastor Chris' messages!) Listen to a beautiful song, "Feel the Ocean Calling," by Roderick C. Simons: http://www.myspace.com/roderickcsimons

Does anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork? My Nay ancestor was married to a woman named Mary. He evidently apprenticed with Henry Huffman at Little Fork and the Huffman Mary seems a good candidate, although I would think she would have been born early than what Holtzclaw speculates. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of HFTHusma@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:02 AM To: MsEagle246@aol.com Cc: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann; Germanna Families (1st & 2nd Colonies) In a message dated 7/18/2008 6:55:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mseagle246@aol.com writes: I've been reluctant to post my question for fear of not doing it quite right.? I'm pretty new at this.? But recently I came across the fact that I am possibly a Germanna descendant.? I've searched the Germanna tree that was recently posted on Rootsweb and cannot find Hans Henrich Hofmann _____________ Hans Heinrick Hofmann arrived in Philadelphia in 1734 with his bride, Anna Huettenhen thus he came after the 1st and 2nd Colonies. They joined the Little Fork Group in northern Culpeper Co., VA. The records show that his name was anglisized to Henry HUFFMAN. Tillman was their first child. Best regards, Hugh **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to share something I found via ProQuest newspapers (through my local library): The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: "Picnic at Germanna. If all the descendants of the original Germanna, Va. colonies turn out for the Society of Germanna Colonists second annual picnic on June 18, it will be difficult finding elbow room for maneuvering the watermelon. The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, 1717, 1719 and 1724. The group will sponsor a basket picnic starting at 11 a.m. at Germanna, located halfway between Culpeper and Fredericksburg." ====== Based on the knowledge we have gained since then and using some extrapolation based on what we have, can we estimate today the approximate number of descendants that ay be living today in the U.S.? Kathleen On 7/25/08, drcary@cox.net <drcary@cox.net> wrote: > > Barb, > > I don't know if John Hoffman was the first person of the "First Colony" to > marry a member of the "Second Colony." However, I can see from reading this > list that his children certainly merged the two colonies to an extent that > many, many are desecendents of both the "First Colonists" and the "Second > Colonists". One of the contributors to this list has shown that she has > multiple ancestors in both colonies. Several others have written about > it. With the number of children that both Hoffman and Weber had--about two > dozen in all--then there should be lots more that just may not have yet > discovered they are related to the 1714ers and 1717ers. > > <snipped for brevity> > -- > Kathleen Bowen Simons > Falls Church, Virginia > > IMAGE - a No. VA Christian church whose mission is simple: Worship. > Community. Service. > www.thisisimage.com (click on the Audio icon to hear Pastor Chris' > messages!) > > Listen to a beautiful song, "Feel the Ocean Calling," by Roderick C. > Simons: http://www.myspace.com/roderickcsimons

Does anyone have any information that would have put any of the Germanna Huffman/Hoffman group moving to Gasconade County in MO?? I can go back as far as my ggrandfather, John L. Huffman, and though I'm told John L.'s father came from VA (or TN, you know how that goes) I can't, for the life of me, find John L.'s father's name.? We have several Henry's I can find.? In fact, my grandfather's father was Henry T.? Thanks for any response.? Mona -----Original Message----- From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann; Germanna Families (1st & 2nd Colonies) At 7/18/2008 09:02 AM Friday, HFTHusma@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >In a message dated 7/18/2008 6:55:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >mseagle246@aol.com writes: > >I've been reluctant to post my question for fear of not doing it quite >right.? I'm pretty new at this.? But recently I came across the fact that I >am >possibly a Germanna descendant.? I've searched the Germanna tree that was >recently posted on Rootsweb and cannot find Hans Henrich Hofmann >_____________ > >Hans Heinrick Hofmann arrived in Philadelphia in 1734 with his bride, Anna >Huettenhen thus he came after the 1st and 2nd Colonies. They joined the >Little Fork Group in northern Culpeper Co., VA. The records show that his >name >was anglisized to Henry HUFFMAN. Tillman was their first child. > >Best regards, Hugh **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hugh, thanks for the info. I've now found the HOFMANN/HUFFMAN family involved and will be able to add them to the database. After all, they did marry into a couple of families I already have in the database, SETTLE/SETTLES and BUTTON. Thanks again, Sarge ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hugh, There are least four Huffman-Button connection that I have found: John Morgan BUTTON (1786 Fauquier Co VA - 24 Mar 1861 Barren Co KY) md (1st wife) Lucy HUFFMAN (2 Mar 1787 - 13 Jul 1844). Their marriage is listed in the Monroe Co KY marriages. John Morgan was s/o Jacob BUTTON b.ca 1750 Germantown, VA and Sarah MORGAN. Jacob BUTTON was s/o Harmon BUTTON b.ca 1715 Germantown,VA and Catharine KEMPER b. 15 Jul 1720 Germanna, Orange Co., VA Lucy HUFFMAN was d/o Ambrose HUFFMAN, Sr (22 Nov 1753 Orange Co VA - 24 Jun 1849 Barren Co KY) and Mary RAILSBACK (11 Nov 1761 Culpeper Co VA - 20 Oct 1824 Barren Co KY) Ambrose was s/o Johannes Henrich HUFFMAN/HOFMANN b. 1708 Siegen and Elizabetha Catherina SCHUSTER b.1717. Second connection is Nancy BUTTON b.1788, another d/o Jacob BUTTON & Sarah MORGAN who md Armstead HUFFMAN, also another s/o Ambrose Sr & Mary RAILSBACK. A third connection is Sarah Elizabeth BUTTON b. 1816, d/o Elias BUTTON (1783 Fauquier Co VA - 29 Aug 1823 Barren Co KY) and Nancy SETTLE (1791-1852) who md Gavin HUFFMAN (1802-1863). Elias was s/o Harmon BUTTON (1753-1822) and Sarah FISHBACK (1755-1821). Gavin HUFFMAN was s/o Charles HUFFMAN (Culpeper Co VA - Barren Co KY) and Mary READ. Charles was s/o Tillman HUFFMAN (ca 1735-ca 1826 Culpeper Co VA) and unknown. Fourth connection is Zacheus BUTTON (1783 Fauquier Co VA - Mar 1853 Barren Co KY) and Elizabeth HUFFMAN (1797 Madison Co VA - 1843 Barren Co KY). Zacheus was yet another s/o Jacob BUTTON & Sarah MORGAN. And Elizabeth was yet another d/o Ambrose HUFFMAN Sr & Mary RAILSBACK. Any corrections are appreciated. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <HFTHusma@aol.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann; SETTLE, BUTTON connection > > mseagle246@aol.com writes: > > Elias BUTTON married Nancy SETTLE, daughter of William.? William married > Elizabeth HUFFMAN, daughter of Tillman.? William and Elizabeth are my 4th > great > grandparents.? I have a lot of info on the SETTLE family. > > > > Debby, > > Sarge left me with the impression that there was a HUFFMAN-BUTTON > connection. I now see that is not the case. Thanks for the data. > > Hugh

While researching my SETTLE line, I came across some information in the SETTLE/SUTTLE book by William Emmett Reese.? It mentions SETTLE, MORGAN, KEMPER, MARTIN, FISHBACK, and BUTTON. Also mentions "Fishback, the emigrant from the old principality of Nassau-Siegen, Germany." I'll send the entire passage if anyone is interested. Debby

Barb, I don't know if John Hoffman was the first person of the "First Colony" to marry a member of the "Second Colony." However, I can see from reading this list that his children certainly merged the two colonies to an extent that many, many are desecendents of both the "First Colonists" and the "Second Colonists". One of the contributors to this list has shown that she has multiple ancestors in both colonies. Several others have written about it. With the number of children that both Hoffman and Weber had--about two dozen in all--then there should be lots more that just may not have yet discovered they are related to the 1714ers and 1717ers. <You gave his second wife as Maria Sabina Charlotta Barbara Folg, whom he married July 1729, with whom had 12 children.> This Folg spelling does appear in the Johannes Hoffmann Family Bible. However, I have only seen the Folg spelling once in any of the Church records around Wagenbacher Hof. The usual spelling of the name is Volckh in the begining of their records in the Huffenhardt Church books; then, it becomes Volck, and today it is Volk. Volk sounds like Folg to the English ear, but the German speakers have no probably with the spelling as Volk. The Volks did not come into Wagenbacher Hof until about 1630. I have not seen them in the surrounding villages records. A number of the Volck/Volk family are found in the Obergimpern Church records after about 1700. They are in both the Catholic and Protestant records of Obergimpern. At that time the same church edifice was used. Around 1900, the Catholics built a church building much larger than the old village church. Johannes Hoffman's property adjoined his brother-in-law's property. This was Hans Dietrich Weber of Gemmingen who married Louisa Elisabeth Volck. I have not been up to finishing my study of Hans Dietrich Weber, aka John Peter Weaver and his wife Elisabeth Volck. However, I have found what looks just like our handwritten "b" used for the beginning 'U" in Ulrich. I also have a multiple number of forms of the "u" in German scrift. Comparing all this and things I have written about before, about a dozen in all, it is clear that Lobis Elisabeth Weber in the Communion Lists at Hebron Church is Lousia Elisabeth (Volck) Weber. It looks as it the ending character inthe original church book could be a "se" which would make the name at Hebron Lousie. This female name was more of an importation from Franch and England to Germanic lands. Cary ---- RockCatt@aol.com wrote: > This John Hoffman would actually be from the First Colony, he arrived in > 1714, but he moved to the Robinson River. His first wife was Anna Catherina > Haeger, the daughter of Rev. Henry Haeger and Anna Friesenhagen, with whom he > had 5 children. His second wife was Maria Sabina Charlotta Barbara Folg, he > married her in July 1729 and they had 12 children. > >> Barb Price > >

Hi Barb, I received nothing reminding me to renew my membership to the Germanna Foundation. I wonder how many others are in the same situation. Do memberships expire the end of June or just when? I think it is $20, but could you just post the address to which it is to mailed. I don't know if this type of thing is allowed by rootsweb, but I did see the discussion of the price of a book and how to get it. What is the thing that Virginia Nuta is editing. What is the news regarding future Germanna Tours to Germany? Cary

On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:19 AM John Blankenbaker wrote: > She was Maria Sabina > Charlotta Barbara Volck. John Huffman called her Folg in his family > Bible > (Folg sounds much like Volck, her true name). John, as you know, the German "F" is pronounced as "V" in English. And the "V" is pronounced as an "F" in English. This reminds of an exchange trip I went on to Melle, Germany in 1989 with a group of constituents from New Melle, Missouri to Melle, Germany. The teenager daughter of my host parents and I were to give a small talk to the gathered citizens of the town and the many Americans in the group one evening. She had to give her talk in English, and mine was in German. Neither of us were what anyone would call fluent in the other's language. We both did pretty well except for the continual mix up between of "Vs" and "Fs". But we did practice, practice, practice beforehand. Still, those pesky "Vs" and "Fs" tripped us both up more than once. The one term I learned very well was, in English, "He was hung for stealing a horse." In German it was "Ferde Deifstahl gehangt worden war!" Sounds much better in German and I still laugh at it (and remember it) all these years later. At the end of the evening when we returned home to the host family (the young lady was the daughter of my host family), "Herman the German", the host, who spoke no English, said to me "DU VAR FANTISCH!" He was the like the proud father that night, as he had coached me over and over an over on the correct pronunciation, emphasis and wording. His poor wife had to re-write my script so many times because of him, but I tell you by the end of that trip I didn't even need her to translate his stories for me anymore. I understood every word he said. (Not that I could accurately answer, of course, without her help.) This man had been an enthusiastic young German in the pre-war years. Member of the Hitler youth, totally brainwashed as he was. He also gave this memorable quote: "Ich var nie ein hunert percent Nazi! Ich var ein tousandt percent Nazi!" He wasn't quite so thrilled with Der Fuhrer after he walked, under cover of night, from the Russian front back to his home in 1945.

Hugh, If you're interested..? here's my file on Henry Huffman.? I might have more info on the BUTTON connection in my book.? I'll check it out. Debby -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 9:16 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann; SETTLE, BUTTON connection In a message dated 7/25/2008 7:53:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mseagle246@aol.com writes: Elias BUTTON married Nancy SETTLE, daughter of William.? William married Elizabeth HUFFMAN, daughter of Tillman.? William and Elizabeth are my 4th great grandparents.? I have a lot of info on the SETTLE family. Debby, Sarge left me with the impression that there was a HUFFMAN-BUTTON connection. I now see that is not the case. Thanks for the data. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/25/2008 7:53:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mseagle246@aol.com writes: Elias BUTTON married Nancy SETTLE, daughter of William.? William married Elizabeth HUFFMAN, daughter of Tillman.? William and Elizabeth are my 4th great grandparents.? I have a lot of info on the SETTLE family. Debby, Sarge left me with the impression that there was a HUFFMAN-BUTTON connection. I now see that is not the case. Thanks for the data. Hugh