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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DebbyCavalcante Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.germannacolonies/591.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think you have the wrong Alfred HUFFMAN. The Alfred who married Jane F Stringfellow is from the Little Fork Huffmans of Germanna as follows: Hans Henrich HOFMANN b.1712 Germany d. 1783 Culpeper Co. VA m. Anna Margarette HUETTENHEN b. 15 Sep 1713 Ger d.1792 VA Tillman HUFFMAN b. 1735 VA d. 1826 VA (wife unknown) John HUFFMAN b. 1764 m. Elizabeth HUFFMAN d/o his Uncle Alfred N HUFFMAN b. Apr 8, 1797 m. Jane F STRINGFELLOW This information is in the book "Ancestry and desendants of the Nassau-Siegen immigrants to Virginia 1712-1750" by B. C. Holtsclaw Debby Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I would assume so, although that is not where I got it. Can one still access it through Rootsweb? If so, how? -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mseagle246@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:35 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Little Fork article I saw the article that was posted on the Germann Colonies Family History at Rootsweb called The Little Fork Colony by Dr B. C. Holtzclaw.? Is that the same one? -----Original Message----- From: Sherry Nay <snay2@verizon.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:10 am Subject: [GERMANNA] Little Fork article Have all of you who have voiced interest in the Little Fork seen the article on the Little Fork Colony published in the 1960 annual report? This is separate from his book on the Nassau-Seigen Immigrants. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mseagle246@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:57 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay You have to remember that for me and other newbies, this is MORE.? A lot of us have just realized that we have a connection to Germanna.? Two years ago, I had never heard of Germanna.? So you who have been doing this a long time, please tell us where all the info is.? I have the book by Holtsclaw and I have the SETTLE book that mentions Germanna here and there.? I've also discovered John's notes.? Is there more than this? Debby -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 8:44 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:27:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! That desire will drive you for years to come. But at some point the avenues will narrow to a trickle and you or they will be gone. The idea that there must be more than we know now is consuming. The truth my be that there is nothing more and what you have is what you get' I am of the school that believes that there is more some where--an attic or basement of a courthouse or a library, or an old bible or a fallen tomb stone. There is always hope of a new find. I call it the rainbow effect. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- -------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I saw the article that was posted on the Germann Colonies Family History at Rootsweb called The Little Fork Colony by Dr B. C. Holtzclaw.? Is that the same one? -----Original Message----- From: Sherry Nay <snay2@verizon.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:10 am Subject: [GERMANNA] Little Fork article Have all of you who have voiced interest in the Little Fork seen the article on the Little Fork Colony published in the 1960 annual report? This is separate from his book on the Nassau-Seigen Immigrants. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mseagle246@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:57 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay You have to remember that for me and other newbies, this is MORE.? A lot of us have just realized that we have a connection to Germanna.? Two years ago, I had never heard of Germanna.? So you who have been doing this a long time, please tell us where all the info is.? I have the book by Holtsclaw and I have the SETTLE book that mentions Germanna here and there.? I've also discovered John's notes.? Is there more than this? Debby -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 8:44 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:27:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! That desire will drive you for years to come. But at some point the avenues will narrow to a trickle and you or they will be gone. The idea that there must be more than we know now is consuming. The truth my be that there is nothing more and what you have is what you get' I am of the school that believes that there is more some where--an attic or basement of a courthouse or a library, or an old bible or a fallen tomb stone. There is always hope of a new find. I call it the rainbow effect. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- -------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sherry, Can you guide us to the article on Little Fork Colony that is publshed in the 1960 annual report, please?? My Joseph Coons was of Little Fork, Ellenor Coons Flnt -----Original Message----- From: Sherry Nay <snay2@verizon.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:10 am Subject: [GERMANNA] Little Fork article Have all of you who have voiced interest in the Little Fork seen the article on the Little Fork Colony published in the 1960 annual report? This is separate from his book on the Nassau-Seigen Immigrants. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mseagle246@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:57 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay You have to remember that for me and other newbies, this is MORE.? A lot of us have just realized that we have a connection to Germanna.? Two years ago, I had never heard of Germanna.? So you who have been doing this a long time, please tell us where all the info is.? I have the book by Holtsclaw and I have the SETTLE book that mentions Germanna here and there.? I've also discovered John's notes.? Is there more than this? Debby -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 8:44 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:27:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! That desire will drive you for years to come. But at some point the avenues will narrow to a trickle and you or they will be gone. The idea that there must be more than we know now is consuming. The truth my be that there is nothing more and what you have is what you get' I am of the school that believes that there is more some where--an attic or basement of a courthouse or a library, or an old bible or a fallen tomb stone. There is always hope of a new find. I call it the rainbow effect. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- -------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have all of you who have voiced interest in the Little Fork seen the article on the Little Fork Colony published in the 1960 annual report? This is separate from his book on the Nassau-Seigen Immigrants. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mseagle246@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:57 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay You have to remember that for me and other newbies, this is MORE.? A lot of us have just realized that we have a connection to Germanna.? Two years ago, I had never heard of Germanna.? So you who have been doing this a long time, please tell us where all the info is.? I have the book by Holtsclaw and I have the SETTLE book that mentions Germanna here and there.? I've also discovered John's notes.? Is there more than this? Debby -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 8:44 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:27:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! That desire will drive you for years to come. But at some point the avenues will narrow to a trickle and you or they will be gone. The idea that there must be more than we know now is consuming. The truth my be that there is nothing more and what you have is what you get' I am of the school that believes that there is more some where--an attic or basement of a courthouse or a library, or an old bible or a fallen tomb stone. There is always hope of a new find. I call it the rainbow effect. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning! I know I don't respond much, but I do read all posts and this message caught my attention. I recently found one of my favorite new sites (not sure if I am allowed to tell it on the list so I won't for now) and on it a book that I was not aware of before. I have CD copies of "The Genealogy of the Fishback Family in America 1714-1914" by Willis Miller Kemper and "Genealogy of the Fishback Family - The Descendants of Harman Fishback 1926" by Reuben Dewitt Fishback, but I didn't know that there was a third book. Did y'all? Anyway, the third book is also by Reuben D. Fishback and titled "Supplement to the Genealogy of the Fishback Family of 1914 Containing the Historical of the Edition of 1926..." published in 1929. It is a short book but it has lots of interesting items. He includes letters to and from Germany in 1925, info relating to Harman Fishback the emigrate, story of soldier Jesse Fishback, and extracts from the records of Siegen Germany (very interesting and does list baptisms, marriages and a few deaths going back into the 1600s, my Fishbacks are included in these lists. I am a direct descendant to John Fishback). He also tells how his efforts to have Germanna marked by a suitable memorial have met with success (1927). If anyone is interested in a PDF file of this book (its over 1MB in size), please email ME at _JensTwigs@aol.com_ (mailto:JensTwigs@aol.com) or if you'd prefer a CD which includes all 3 books let me know (shipping charges only). Jennie In a message dated 7/27/2008 3:19:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com writes: [ Mr Huffman had sent a Greeting Message that was read at the reconsecration of the Saint Nicolai Church in Siegen on 16 Dec.,1954 . Saint Nicolai where many of the 1714 Germanna immigrants were baptized , had been destroyed during World War II .Huffman told of the granite marker errected at Germanna and dedicated to the memory of the 1714 colony from Germany ] **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Alfred N. Huffman was the 7th child of Elisha Huffman and Elizabeth Scales born 1818. He married Jane Stringfellow 18 Nov 1845. (See page 356 of B. B. Holtsclaw's Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau-Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1714-1750) Alfred Huffman, born 8 May 1798 in Culpeper and died 12 May 1869 in Rolla, MO - Elk Prairie cemetery. He married Sarah Jane (Jones) Jones 1835 in Phelps Co. (previously Crawford). He was the son of John and Elizabeth Hoffman. Sarah was the widown of Thomas Calhoun Jones, a first cousin. My son-in-law, Toby Huffman is descended from their son, Thornton Stringfellow Huffman. Thornton Stringfellow was a minister in Culpeper. Anita Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] New to this Board: Looking for Culpeper, VA Hoffmans.. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: DebbyCavalcante > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.germannacolonies/591.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I think you have the wrong Alfred HUFFMAN. The Alfred who married Jane F > Stringfellow is from the Little Fork Huffmans of Germanna as follows: > > Hans Henrich HOFMANN b.1712 Germany d. 1783 Culpeper Co. VA > m. Anna Margarette HUETTENHEN b. 15 Sep 1713 Ger d.1792 VA > Tillman HUFFMAN b. 1735 VA d. 1826 VA (wife unknown) > John HUFFMAN b. 1764 m. Elizabeth HUFFMAN d/o his Uncle > Alfred N HUFFMAN b. Apr 8, 1797 m. Jane F STRINGFELLOW > > This information is in the book "Ancestry and desendants of the > Nassau-Siegen immigrants to Virginia 1712-1750" by B. C. Holtsclaw > > Debby > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have to remember that for me and other newbies, this is MORE.? A lot of us have just realized that we have a connection to Germanna.? Two years ago, I had never heard of Germanna.? So you who have been doing this a long time, please tell us where all the info is.? I have the book by Holtsclaw and I have the SETTLE book that mentions Germanna here and there.? I've also discovered John's notes.? Is there more than this? Debby -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 8:44 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:27:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! That desire will drive you for years to come. But at some point the avenues will narrow to a trickle and you or they will be gone. The idea that there must be more than we know now is consuming. The truth my be that there is nothing more and what you have is what you get' I am of the school that believes that there is more some where--an attic or basement of a courthouse or a library, or an old bible or a fallen tomb stone. There is always hope of a new find. I call it the rainbow effect. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:27:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! That desire will drive you for years to come. But at some point the avenues will narrow to a trickle and you or they will be gone. The idea that there must be more than we know now is consuming. The truth my be that there is nothing more and what you have is what you get' I am of the school that believes that there is more some where--an attic or basement of a courthouse or a library, or an old bible or a fallen tomb stone. There is always hope of a new find. I call it the rainbow effect. Hugh

Gail, If you thought your question was stupid then mine should top it.? What did you mean when you said "it would be really neat to join First Families"?? I've been doing research for about 10 years now and happened to stumble onto the HUFFMAN of Little Fork through my SETTLE connection.? Now I find that I have quite a few of the Germanna folks in my tree because they all married each other.? I have SPIELMAN, HUFFMAN, BUTTON, FISHBACK, CRIM, HOLTZCLAW, KEMPER, and probably ones I haven't found yet.? It's very exciting. Debby -----Original Message----- From: Gailsline@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 1:11 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Fauquier County 250th Anniversary, First Families of Fauquier Thanks Barb. It was probably a stupid question. Most of the folks on this list seem to know tons of info about their Germanna ancestors. I feel like such a novice. I have five on the Mayflower and tell you just about everything about all things pilgrim, Plymouth etc. but, well, my Germanna knowledge is really sad. I live in Loudoun Co. which borders Fauquier and I hang around that county now and then so it would be really neat to join First Families. Unfortunately mine are second colony and I have never seen a reference for that area. Gail Wilhoite, Broyles, etc. In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:50:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: Yes, the First Colony: Holtzclaw, Fishback, Coons, Hitt, Rector, Martin, Haeger, Bromback, Spilman, Hoffman, Kemper, Weaver. And, remember, that Herman Otterbach along with his wife, Elizabeth Heimbach, emigrated to VA with the rest of the group, but died prior to the move to Fauquier Co. BUT, their daughters married many of the First Colony men, so they were there, too! Barb Price **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw in the Dedication of Germanna Record No. 5 mentions both Mr. Ernst Flender and Mr. Emil Flender.  It was Mr. Emil Flender's "scholarly research and untiring efforts" that led to the completion of this volume.  I quote Dr. Holtzclaw--he gave credit where credit was due.  I really wish I had had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Holtzclaw. Germanna Record No. 5 does not correct all the errors in The Holtzclaw Genealogy (Germanna Record No. 14).  It does correct some--at least partially.  I still wish he had documented his research better--in both volumes. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com>Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:18:22 AM BC Holtzclaw may not have been able to speak, read or write German, but  Germanna Record #5 has very few errors, especially in regards to those German  records.  This was said to me by Herr Gerhard Moisel, the present Church  Archivist for the state of Siegen.  He uses this book everyday in his own  personal research as well as research for others.  He is a descendant of  the Busch family, as are the Holtzclaws.  And, yes, his first publication was written in 1936 and thank goodness he  wrote Germanna Record #5, Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau Siegen  Immigrants to Virginia 1715-1750, in 1964 with corrections to his earlier  publications.

I have Germanna Record #5, but I still would like more info about The Little Fork group, as you point out, not a lot is known about many of the descendants. Last week, I met with a Button descendant, she still lives on her ancestor's land in The Little Fork, and she had a letter from Woodford Hackley, a Spilman descendant, and he stated what a lot of work it was to figure out the various land records and that he just couldn't do anymore, he was pretty old at the time. Hackley and BC Holtzclaw spent a lot of time exploring the area of the Little Fork and the families, but I want more!!! Barb Price In a message dated 7/26/2008 18:07:10 Pacific Daylight Time, HFTHusma@aol.com writes: In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:43:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. All, Germanna Record #5 carries Holtzclaw's work on this family. This discussion of the Hans Henrick HOFMANN family is most welcome. As a direct descendant of Hans (aka Henry HUFFMAN) I find that there are significant lapses of data which define these early HUFFMANs of the Little fork Group. Looking at the first two generations in America 1. Henry Hoffman and wife, Anna Margaret HUETTENHEN, immigrants in 1734 2 .i, Tilmann HUFFMAN m. wife unknown ii. John HUFFMAN m. wife unknown iii Mary HUFFMAN m husband unknown iv. Elizabeth HUFFMAN m. J. Young v. Joseph HUFFMAN m. wife unknown vi. Alice HUFFMAN m. John Spilman vii. James HUFFMAN m 1) wife unknown. m. 2) Letitia Arnold viii. Susannah HUFFMAN m husband unknown ix. Elizbeth HUFFMAN m husband unknown x. Catherine HUFFMAN m husband unknown xi. Eve HUFFMAN m husband unknown xii. Harman HUFFMAN m. wife unknown xiii. Henry HUFFMAN m. wife unknown While several of the families without spouses have known children, the fact remains that the family as a whole is not well documented. Best regards, Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I can't even begin to say how very thankful the Germanna Foundation is for the donation by Mr. Flender. In fact, we've been trying to connect with his descendants for quite some time to invite them to the Reunion. His interest in his family, and what became of them in America, is one reason that we're here today as an organization. Of course, there would be no organization without the efforts of Drs. Huffman and Wayland, too. BC Holtzclaw may not have been able to speak, read or write German, but Germanna Record #5 has very few errors, especially in regards to those German records. This was said to me by Herr Gerhard Moisel, the present Church Archivist for the state of Siegen. He uses this book everyday in his own personal research as well as research for others. He is a descendant of the Busch family, as are the Holtzclaws. I, along with several other travelers, were lucky enough to research with Herr Moisel in 2004. Imagine our surprise when we entered the research room and there, at his place, was Germanna Record #5! He told us that if we are a descendant of the First Colony that we are to read that book before asking him any question, and he was serious! He told us that there are very few errors in the book and that when BC notes the church records, or guild records, etc., that they are there and they are accurate. And, yes, his first publication was written in 1936 and thank goodness he wrote Germanna Record #5, Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1715-1750, in 1964 with corrections to his earlier publications. Thank goodness, too, for the interest that was sparked in 1927 from Musen, Germany in letters to President Coolidge. I think the founders would be proud of the organization today and they would be completely blown away by this List and all of the descendants here, wouldn't they? Barb Price In a message dated 7/26/2008 10:30:55 Pacific Daylight Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency. He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all. His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions. Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born? It looks like Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742. Her parents were born in 1712 and 1713. Holtzclaw was very diligent about his research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time, snay2@verizon.net writes: Does anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork? My Nay ancestor was married to a woman named Mary. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

1955 Letter from Ernest Flender of New York City to Charles H. Huffman , President of the Memorial Foundation of the Germanna Colonies in Virginia. " My sister Hanna Flender of Siegen sent me a clipping from Siegener Zeitung quoting your letter of Dec. 4th to the evangelische Kirchengemeinde Siegen.....The information given in your letter about the 13 families who arrived in Virginia in 1714 was new to me." [ Mr Huffman had sent a Greeting Message that was read at the reconsecration of the Saint Nicolai Church in Siegen on 16 Dec.,1954 . Saint Nicolai where many of the 1714 Germanna immigrants were baptized , had been destroyed during World War II .Huffman told of the granite marker errected at Germanna and dedicated to the memory of the 1714 colony from Germany ] " .......Would you please tell me where the monument in honor of the first settlers from Nassau- Siegen is located ? Sometime in the spring I expect to be in Virginia...... and I would like to take a picture of it for the magazine issued by the Siegerlaender Heimatsverin"....... In 1955, Mr. Flender came to Virginia , met with Mr. Huffman and other members of the Germanna Foundation to discuss " future prospects for Germanna development".He gave the Foundation $1000.00 to be used to purchase real estate. >From minutes of a Special Meeting of the Germanna Foundation 12 June 1956..... Mr E.W. Flender ( now a Foundation member) moved that a certain tract of land in Orange Co. known as the Myers Tract be purchased...at the price.. namely $10,000.00....Seconded .by T . W. Fishbach Dr. J. W. Wayland moved that the Trustees of the Germanna Foundation accept the very generous gift offer of Mr. E. Flender to give the Foundation a certificate of one hundred shares of oil stock , each share having a market value of #160.00.... Source:" The First Decade 1956- 1966.." Charles Herbert Huffman, President " Germanna Record # 9" 1966 Nancy M. Dodge **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:43:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. All, Germanna Record #5 carries Holtzclaw's work on this family. This discussion of the Hans Henrick HOFMANN family is most welcome. As a direct descendant of Hans (aka Henry HUFFMAN) I find that there are significant lapses of data which define these early HUFFMANs of the Little fork Group. Looking at the first two generations in America 1. Henry Hoffman and wife, Anna Margaret HUETTENHEN, immigrants in 1734 2 .i, Tilmann HUFFMAN m. wife unknown ii. John HUFFMAN m. wife unknown iii Mary HUFFMAN m husband unknown iv. Elizabeth HUFFMAN m. J. Young v. Joseph HUFFMAN m. wife unknown vi. Alice HUFFMAN m. John Spilman vii. James HUFFMAN m 1) wife unknown. m. 2) Letitia Arnold viii. Susannah HUFFMAN m husband unknown ix. Elizbeth HUFFMAN m husband unknown x. Catherine HUFFMAN m husband unknown xi. Eve HUFFMAN m husband unknown xii. Harman HUFFMAN m. wife unknown xiii. Henry HUFFMAN m. wife unknown While several of the families without spouses have known children, the fact remains that the family as a whole is not well documented. Best regards, Hugh

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Cary, I would recommend to you Germanna Record No. 17 written by Dr. Katharine L. Brown entitled The First Fifty Years.  It is a very brief and concise book but does include some detail about the beginnings of Germanna and (bless her heart) includes endnotes for the chapters citing sources.  You will recognize many Germanna names among the early members and leadership.  In the early years, I don't think Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw was involved but he was already interested in genealogy having published the Holtzclaw Genealogy in 1936.  I have found a number of his letters written to various archives asking for information about his ancestors.  These letters are dated well before the beginning of the Germanna Foundation. I agree that the original source is best--if it is possible to see it.  Microfilm can be good or bad depending on the filming.  I have been working through the Siegen church records as well as some of the surrounding villages, both Catholic and Protestant, for some years now.  And it does help to have others help with the more difficult areas, especially German friends who are adept at reading the old script. I have also found the archivists at Muenster and Hamburg to be helpful-even with my bad German which is slowly improving.  I truly wish Dr. Holtzclaw had properly cited sources in his books.  The Holtzclaw Genealogy has virtually no sources listed and there are a number of rather large errors in the book.  My entire family line from my gg-grandfather on is incorrect.  I would love to know where he got that information. Suzanne ----- Original Message ---- From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To Suzanne, You wrote:  Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:30 PM <"Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency. He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all. His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions. Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today."> The Fender deserve special recognition someway for their contributions to Holtzclaws compilation of the various genealogies.  I am not aware of much of the beginnings, in fact, much of anything about Germanna, and wish I were younger instead fastly approach my dotage. I do have one thing to offer.  No matter what the skills of the researchers were for any source of a person's ancestry, one should always try to see the original records used or at least a microfilm.  That old script is not easily read, and recognized experts in Germany readily admit that they do make respects.

Suzanne, You wrote: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:30 PM <"Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency. He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all. His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions. Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today."> I intentionally included your entire posting as it contains several things that is new to me about the early days of the Germanna Foundation. That Dr. Holtzclaw stated his weakness in the German language and old the script. The Fender deserve special recognition someway for their contributions to Holtzclaws compilation of the various genealogies. I am not aware of much of the beginnings, in fact, much of anything about Germanna, and wish I were younger instead fastly approach my dotage. I do have one thing to offer. No matter what the skills of the researchers were for any source of a person's ancestry, one should always try to see the original records used or at least a microfilm. That old script is not easily read, and recognized experts in Germany readily admit that they do make respects. Microfilm is not the best, but if it is all you have, one must make do. I can not believe how easily the actual church books are to read; however, the microfilm results are sometimes so bad, it takes time and effort to grasp what it means. My German brother and our great friend never were able to determine the meaning of what looked like 'hus' in a church records of the early 1600s. It was in the column for baptismal sponsors, and we all figured it had to be a word for' Godparent. Eventually, I started over with that microfilm and a bolt of lightening hit. It was 'sus'. The Lutheran pastor was showing off his high level of education and using the Latin for baptismal sponsors and abrreviating it as "sus"! In the beginning, he had better handwriting, but I had no relatives there! If you are looking for your relative, it the record, when found, is more easily decipherable than a lot of the others. Something mystical happens, but it also helps to have three or four like-minded folks at the Family History Center to help with ones suffering and it does get worked out eventually. Cary ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born? It looks like Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742. Her parents were born in 1712 and 1713. Holtzclaw was very diligent about his research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time, snay2@verizon.net writes: Does anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork? My Nay ancestor was married to a woman named Mary. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoops, I meant between 1846 and 1849 for a marriage between John Jacob Nay and a Mary. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Matson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:30 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency.  He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all.  His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions.  Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think  that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the  daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born?  It looks like  Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742.  Her  parents were born in 1712 and 1713.  Holtzclaw was very diligent about his  research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at  Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that  lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time,  snay2@verizon.net writes: Does  anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans  Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork?  My Nay ancestor was  married to a woman named Mary.  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message