I have a line that goes in paternal order: Samuel Carpenter, Wilhelm Zimmerman, John Zimmerman, to Hans Christopher Zimmerman. I have this Hans Christopher Zimmerman as married to Elizabeth Albrecht. Does this look correct to you? Also, is this Elizabeth Albrecht part of the First Colony?
----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Walthall To: GERMANNA_COLONIES-@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Fw: Fishback genealogy ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Walthall To: germanna-_colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: wfredduncan@gmail.com ; Hdanw@aol.com ; rockcatt@aol.com ; holtzclawresearch@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: Fishback genealogy I am new at this so may not be answering correctly. Re: John Frederick Fishback b.1716 at Germanna. My grandmother's notes say he was married to Kathrina & their son, Jesse, is my ancestor. However her Fishback book shows him married to Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw. I am confused. Perhaps Kathrina was his 2nd wife. I would be grateful for any help on this. Judy Walthall judithwalthall@verizon.net
You do definitely have at least one Fischbach in your lineage, that would be Maria Catharina Fischbach, b. 1640, the wife of Philip Heimbach, the mother of Elizabeth Heimbach. Elizabeth Heimbach is the wife of Herman Otterbach and they are the parents of your "Ailsey" Elisabeth Cathrina Otterbach, the wife of John Kemper!!! Barb Price In a message dated 9/4/2008 14:00:39 Pacific Daylight Time, Hdanw@aol.com writes: To Fishback Researchers: Ask your local public librarian whether that library subscribes to HeritageQuest, an online genealogical database. Some State libraries, such as Texas SL and North Carolina SL I am told have subscriptions. A search of HeritageQuest - people - indicates there are 12 publications pertaining to this family. One is a Fishback genealogy compiled by Willis N. Kemper. Another is only 75 pages. I did not scan the others on the list. I am assuming that Kemper's compilation has an index. Of course, when researching for Germans, we are confronted with the two given names. The family used the second name, and the American county clerks frequently used the first name!!!! Possibly other genealogical databases, such as Footnote.com and Ancestry.com have incorporated one or more of these publications into their websites. I have not checked!!! Good luck!!! I am sure there are Fishbacks in my lineage, but I have not studied it enough to be certain!!! E.W.Wallace descendant of John Kemper, the 1714 immigrant and his wife Ailsey Utterback **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
To Fishback Researchers: Ask your local public librarian whether that library subscribes to HeritageQuest, an online genealogical database. Some State libraries, such as Texas SL and North Carolina SL I am told have subscriptions. A search of HeritageQuest - people - indicates there are 12 publications pertaining to this family. One is a Fishback genealogy compiled by Willis N. Kemper. Another is only 75 pages. I did not scan the others on the list. I am assuming that Kemper's compilation has an index. Of course, when researching for Germans, we are confronted with the two given names. The family used the second name, and the American county clerks frequently used the first name!!!! Possibly other genealogical databases, such as Footnote.com and Ancestry.com have incorporated one or more of these publications into their websites. I have not checked!!! Good luck!!! I am sure there are Fishbacks in my lineage, but I have not studied it enough to be certain!!! E.W.Wallace descendant of John Kemper, the 1714 immigrant and his wife Ailsey Utterback **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
My research notes indicate that Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw who married John Frederick Fishback was born during the timeframe 1715-1725 and apparently died before the making of her father's will 15 Jan 1759. I haven't researched John Frederick Fishback at all but BCH gives his date of death as 1782 in Culpeper County. Possibly John Frederick Fishback left a will or estate? I do have a notation in pencil with a question mark that Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw was a first wife of John Frederick Fishback. I have no idea if that is true or, if true, who the second wife was. The Elizabeth Holtzclaw who married John Duncan had two sons that I am aware of--John born 1782 and Thomas born 1785. Possibly there were other children but they are unknown to me. It would appear to me that John Frederick Fishback and John Duncan did not marry the same woman. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> The Elizabeth Holtzclaw, b. ca. 1735-40, that married John Duncan is the daughter of John Holtzclaw and Catherine Russell Thomas and the granddaughter of the immigrants Jacob and Anna Margrethe (Otterbach) Holtzclaw. The Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw, b. ca. 1715, that married John Frederick Fishback is the daughter of Jacob and Anna Margrethe (Otterbach) Holtzclaw, so you have 2 different Elizabeth Holtzclaws. Barb Price In a message dated 9/3/2008 19:51:49 Pacific Daylight Time, wfred.duncan@gmail.com writes: Question to all the Fishbach & Holtzclaw researchers : Did John Fishbach die or was he divorced from Eliz Holtzclaw, and John Duncan marry this Elizabeth Holtzclaw 2nd.
"The Bach family lived in what is now Madison County. The Tapps lived in the NE section of (modern) Culpeper County." Both the Bach/Backs and the Tapps land was located in The Little Fork area even though the Bachs lived in present day Madison Co and the Tapps lived in modern Culpeper Co. The Bachs actually lived very close to the Tapps, depending on which map of The Little Fork you look at, the older ones show the location of Harman Back's land. Jacob Holtzclaws land was located next to the Tapps and Holtzclaw deeded 100 acres of it to Harman Back in 1748. Barb Price In a message dated 9/3/2008 19:32:33 Pacific Daylight Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Hello listers: I've been helping David McCarley on his Tapp family research. I think the salient points we are seeking are this: He has a 1902 letter from a descendant of Moses Tapp stating that the wife of Moses Tapp was "Mary Bach, a German girl." We can find no Mary (or Maria) Bach born in the right time frame to fit this family. The Mary wife of Moses was born ca 1755. Repeat: 1755. The Bach family lived in what is now Madison County. The Tapps lived in the NE section of (modern) Culpeper County. Adjacent land owners to the Tapps were Frederick FISHBACK. We are seeking any female FISHBACH from this area, born ca 1755 who is so-far unaccounted for. Moses Tapp moved to Spartanburg County, SC around 1807. His mother, Mary JETT Tapp (widow of Vincent Tapp) moved there no later than 1803. Again, we are looking for a FISHBACK possibility here. The 1902 letter cold well have "messed up" her family name. Moses Tapp and Mary -----, were married around 1784 in Culpeper County (no marriage bond survives). Thanks in advance, Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
Barb, You are correct ...Was looking at this document when looking at the William Morgan connection to the Duncan family and dt, who married John Fishbach. Pg.40: 29 Feb. 1760, Ordered that John Sinclair, John Wright, *Charles Morgan Jul.,* and *John Duncan* or any three of them, being first sworn, appraise the slaves and personal estate of *Jacob Holtzclaw* decd. and return the appraisement to court. This raises a question as to whether same John Duncan (couple in area) or maybe his father. I have John Duncan & Elizabeth Holtzclaw married in circa "1762" ..Is that what you have ? On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:20 AM, <RockCatt@aol.com> wrote: > The Elizabeth Holtzclaw, b. ca. 1735-40, that married John Duncan is the > daughter of John Holtzclaw and Catherine Russell Thomas and the > granddaughter > of the immigrants Jacob and Anna Margrethe (Otterbach) Holtzclaw. > > The Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw, b. ca. 1715, that married John Frederick > Fishback is the daughter of Jacob and Anna Margrethe (Otterbach) Holtzclaw, > so you > have 2 different Elizabeth Holtzclaws. > > Barb Price > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 19:51:49 Pacific Daylight Time, > wfred.duncan@gmail.com writes: > > Question to all the Fishbach & Holtzclaw researchers : Did John Fishbach > die > or was he divorced from Eliz Holtzclaw, and John Duncan marry this > Elizabeth > Holtzclaw 2nd. > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Fred Duncan 136 Kirk Adams Road Angier, North Carolina 27501
The Elizabeth Holtzclaw, b. ca. 1735-40, that married John Duncan is the daughter of John Holtzclaw and Catherine Russell Thomas and the granddaughter of the immigrants Jacob and Anna Margrethe (Otterbach) Holtzclaw. The Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw, b. ca. 1715, that married John Frederick Fishback is the daughter of Jacob and Anna Margrethe (Otterbach) Holtzclaw, so you have 2 different Elizabeth Holtzclaws. Barb Price In a message dated 9/3/2008 19:51:49 Pacific Daylight Time, wfred.duncan@gmail.com writes: Question to all the Fishbach & Holtzclaw researchers : Did John Fishbach die or was he divorced from Eliz Holtzclaw, and John Duncan marry this Elizabeth Holtzclaw 2nd. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
I have looked high and low for a Fishback that would fit your Mary Bach, but I can't find one! I also looked into Otterbach/Utterbach as a possibility and I did find one, Mary Utterbach, b. 1748, she married Alexander or Samuel Scott in 1770, but nothing else is known about her. She is the daughter of Henry Utterback and Gertrud Schneider, of Trupbach, they came to VA in 1734 and settled in The Little Fork. I also checked the Heimbach/Hanback families and can find no Mary that would fit your time frame. Does anyone have a copy of "The Fishback Genealogy?" You might be able to find a proper Mary in that publication, but I don't have it at hand. Barb Price In a message dated 9/3/2008 19:32:33 Pacific Daylight Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Hello listers: I've been helping David McCarley on his Tapp family research. I think the salient points we are seeking are this: He has a 1902 letter from a descendant of Moses Tapp stating that the wife of Moses Tapp was "Mary Bach, a German girl." We can find no Mary (or Maria) Bach born in the right time frame to fit this family. The Mary wife of Moses was born ca 1755. Repeat: 1755. The Bach family lived in what is now Madison County. The Tapps lived in the NE section of (modern) Culpeper County. Adjacent land owners to the Tapps were Frederick FISHBACK. We are seeking any female FISHBACH from this area, born ca 1755 who is so-far unaccounted for. Moses Tapp moved to Spartanburg County, SC around 1807. His mother, Mary JETT Tapp (widow of Vincent Tapp) moved there no later than 1803. Again, we are looking for a FISHBACK possibility here. The 1902 letter cold well have "messed up" her family name. Moses Tapp and Mary -----, were married around 1784 in Culpeper County (no marriage bond survives). Thanks in advance, Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
Hello listers: I've been helping David McCarley on his Tapp family research. I think the salient points we are seeking are this: He has a 1902 letter from a descendant of Moses Tapp stating that the wife of Moses Tapp was "Mary Bach, a German girl." We can find no Mary (or Maria) Bach born in the right time frame to fit this family. The Mary wife of Moses was born ca 1755. Repeat: 1755. The Bach family lived in what is now Madison County. The Tapps lived in the NE section of (modern) Culpeper County. Adjacent land owners to the Tapps were Frederick FISHBACK. We are seeking any female FISHBACH from this area, born ca 1755 who is so-far unaccounted for. Moses Tapp moved to Spartanburg County, SC around 1807. His mother, Mary JETT Tapp (widow of Vincent Tapp) moved there no later than 1803. Again, we are looking for a FISHBACK possibility here. The 1902 letter cold well have "messed up" her family name. Moses Tapp and Mary -----, were married around 1784 in Culpeper County (no marriage bond survives). Thanks in advance, Craig
The Germanna Record nos. 3 and 5 treat the Henry and John Back family, sons of the 1738 immigrant from Nassau-Siegen- Harman Back who lived in the Hebron Church Community. I don't know if this is any help. I don't have those books. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RockCatt@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:20 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Mary (----Bach) Tapp, wife of Moses Tapp I have looked high and low for a Fishback that would fit your Mary Bach, but I can't find one! I also looked into Otterbach/Utterbach as a possibility and I did find one, Mary Utterbach, b. 1748, she married Alexander or Samuel Scott in 1770, but nothing else is known about her. She is the daughter of Henry Utterback and Gertrud Schneider, of Trupbach, they came to VA in 1734 and settled in The Little Fork. I also checked the Heimbach/Hanback families and can find no Mary that would fit your time frame. Does anyone have a copy of "The Fishback Genealogy?" You might be able to find a proper Mary in that publication, but I don't have it at hand. Barb Price In a message dated 9/3/2008 19:32:33 Pacific Daylight Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Hello listers: I've been helping David McCarley on his Tapp family research. I think the salient points we are seeking are this: He has a 1902 letter from a descendant of Moses Tapp stating that the wife of Moses Tapp was "Mary Bach, a German girl." We can find no Mary (or Maria) Bach born in the right time frame to fit this family. The Mary wife of Moses was born ca 1755. Repeat: 1755. The Bach family lived in what is now Madison County. The Tapps lived in the NE section of (modern) Culpeper County. Adjacent land owners to the Tapps were Frederick FISHBACK. We are seeking any female FISHBACH from this area, born ca 1755 who is so-far unaccounted for. Moses Tapp moved to Spartanburg County, SC around 1807. His mother, Mary JETT Tapp (widow of Vincent Tapp) moved there no later than 1803. Again, we are looking for a FISHBACK possibility here. The 1902 letter cold well have "messed up" her family name. Moses Tapp and Mary -----, were married around 1784 in Culpeper County (no marriage bond survives). Thanks in advance, Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It's been really quiet... -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of redscorsair Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:51 AM To: GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] No Mail!! In the past two weeks, there has been, only three e-mails, from the GERMANNA COLONIES, web site. Is it up, and running, or is down, for some reasons. Or is this just, a time of the years, when there is nothing going on. Ray Groves
Sorry for the duplicate posts. I actually tried to submit the post nearly two weeks ago and it never seemed to go through. I don't know why it has taken so long but there may be one or two more show up. My apologizes. David
Bach, Fishbach, Holtzclaw, Jett, Tapp, Hoffman, Duncan >From a copy of KY land grant (# 4414) Treasury warrant # 13855 = surveyed on March 19th 1785 for Stephen Jett and Joseph Bach, Slate Creek, Fayette Co. Ky, corner of "Jacob Fishbach" entry. A "James Morgan" also appears on document....Will be glad to send copy if you will email me at: wfred.duncan@gmail.com Now, to Duncan side of family - John Duncan of Botha Va appears to have had a daughter, Mary, who married William Morgan. William Morgan's daughter, Phoebe Morgan, appears to have married "Jacob Fishback" ( my info: married 9/13/1751). His parents appear to be John Fishback and Ann Elizabeth Holtzclaw, daughter of Jacob Holtzclaw. Excerpts from JACOB HOLTZCLAW Will Item. I Give & Bequeathe unto *my Grandson, John **Fishback**, son to ** Frederick** **Fishback*, one hundred & seven acres of land lying in Loudon County on Gooss Creek being the Remaining Part of the Tract of land whereon a Part is Given to *my Daughter Eve Wiley above me*ntioned, to him & His Heirs forever. .........Now to Granville County NC in 1768 (Tax list) 1768: List of *Stephen Jett* Includes on his list: ** John Duncan Mary Duncan Widow, *Ambrose Harrison Duncan, *& William Duncan, 2 (My ancestor, Ambrose Harison Duncan is a Y-DNA cousins of John Duncan who married Eliz Holtzclaw around 1760) Question to all the Fishbach & Holtzclaw researchers : Did John Fishbach die or was he divorced from Eliz Holtzclaw, and John Duncan marry this Elizabeth Holtzclaw 2nd. Next question to my Hoffman side (from note previously posted by Barb Price, I think) There is a Mary Back that was born in 1777, the daughter of Henry Back and Elizabeth *Huffman*, the daughter of *John Hoffman*/Huffman (1714 Immigrant) and his second wife Maria Sabina Folg. She's the right age to be the wife of your Moses Tapp, but nothing further is known about her according to BC Holtzclaw in the Bach/Back section of Ancestry and Descendants. My Duncan ancestor married a dt of Jacob Schlotterer (who came from Germany in 1749) and is said to have married a "Mary Hoffman". He landed in PA in 1749, but didn't show up in Granville Co., NC until 1757 ...Is their a unplaced Mary Hoffman in this family. There is a record of aJacob Schlotterer & Mary Hoffman marriage in PA in 1761, but can't prove it's my Jacob at this time. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David McCarley <Opv@knology.net> wrote: > I am seeking direction concerning one of my German ancestors for whom I am > presently at a dead end. I am in possession of a copy of a letter dated > 1907 which suggests that my ancestor, Moses Tapp, married "Mary Bach, a > German girl." > > Here is my dilemma: The alleged Mary Bach (if that was indeed her name) > married said Tapp in Culpeper County circa 1784 based on the ages of their > oldest children in later census records. This would place Mary's birth > circa 1755/1765. I have contacted Dan Back, who is presently updating the > book, A Back Family History, and he advises that out of the more than > 40,000 > descendants of the immigrant BACK/BACH family that settled in northern > Virginia (the part which eventually became Culpeper County), there is not a > single Mary Back/Bach of the right age to have been my Mary. One or two of > Hermann Back's sons apparently had daughters named Mary, but they were not > born until circa 1777, much too early to have been my Mary. > > So, I have the research of Dan Back and his colleagues ostensibly precludes > a Back/Bach connection. To further complicate matters, the name Back/Bach > does not appear to be closely associated with the Tapp in Culpeper County > land records. In fact, those records appear to place the Back family quite > a distance away from the Tapp family. These dead ends leave me with no > alternative but to seek fresh ideas to possibly help identify my alleged > Mary Bach. > > Consider the following speculation: > > There are land records which connect Frederick FISHBACK to the Tapp family. > (In fact, he appears to have had a daughter named Mary of the right age to > have married Moses Tapp.) The UTTERBACK family is also found living on an > adjacent plat to my Tapp ancestors. There are no doubt other families of > German origin residing in Culpeper County at the time with last names > ending > in "back," "boch" or "bach." Were there any of these families known to > have > shortened their names to Back or Bach? I have read where some immigrants > intentionally changed their names for a variety of > reasons....>>>>>>clipped. > > -- Fred Duncan 136 Kirk Adams Road Angier, North Carolina 27501
I DO NOT KNOW, IF THIS WILL HELP. BUT MARY IS ENLISH, TRY MARIA, GERMAN! -----Original Message----- >From: David McCarley <Opv@knology.net> >Sent: Aug 31, 2008 4:53 PM >To: GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GERMANNA] Desperately Seeking Mary > >I am seeking direction concerning one of my German ancestors for whom I am >presently at a dead end. I am in possession of a copy of a letter dated >1907 which suggests that my ancestor, Moses Tapp, married "Mary Bach, a >German girl." > >Here is my dilemma: The alleged Mary Bach (if that was indeed her name) >married said Tapp in Culpeper County circa 1784 based on the ages of their >oldest children in later census records. This would place Mary's birth >circa 1755/1765. I have contacted Dan Back, who is presently updating the >book, A Back Family History, and he advises that out of the more than 40,000 >descendants of the immigrant BACK/BACH family that settled in northern >Virginia (the part which eventually became Culpeper County), there is not a >single Mary Back/Bach of the right age to have been my Mary. One or two of >Hermann Back's sons apparently had daughters named Mary, but they were not >born until circa 1777, much too early to have been my Mary. > >So, I have the research of Dan Back and his colleagues ostensibly precludes >a Back/Bach connection. To further complicate matters, the name Back/Bach >does not appear to be closely associated with the Tapp in Culpeper County >land records. In fact, those records appear to place the Back family quite >a distance away from the Tapp family. These dead ends leave me with no >alternative but to seek fresh ideas to possibly help identify my alleged >Mary Bach. > >Consider the following speculation: > >There are land records which connect Frederick FISHBACK to the Tapp family. >(In fact, he appears to have had a daughter named Mary of the right age to >have married Moses Tapp.) The UTTERBACK family is also found living on an >adjacent plat to my Tapp ancestors. There are no doubt other families of >German origin residing in Culpeper County at the time with last names ending >in "back," "boch" or "bach." Were there any of these families known to have >shortened their names to Back or Bach? I have read where some immigrants >intentionally changed their names for a variety of reasons. > >I have even considered the possibility that one or more of the Bach males >could have fathered an illegitimate daughter whose name does not appear in >the Back family register? > >One other possibility, I suppose, is that Mary Bach could have been the >young widow of a Bach male rather than a Bach by birth. However, I presume >Dan Back would have advised of that possibility in his response to my >inquiry if. > >I know I am grasping for straws here, but such is my plight at this point. >I would appreciate any ideas the list can provide that might help me refine, >add to or eliminate the above possibilities. At this point, anything is >possible. > >David > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
At 6/7/2008 11:31 AM Saturday, Chocybrown@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Sarge, > I would appreciate the posting of the "Special Symbols >List"---------this time I will print it out and post it near my computer! >Thanks for all you do, >Chocy **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hi Chocy: (These may not show up plainly unless you highlight the entire chart and increase the character size. In fact you won't be able to discern the differences between some of the characters unless you increase to a very large size.) ANSI Special Characters { = ALT+0123 | = ALT+0124 } = ALT+0125 ~ = ALT+0126 = ALT+0128 = ALT+0130 = ALT+0131 = ALT+0132 = ALT+0133 = ALT+0134 = ALT+0135 = ALT+0136 = ALT+0137 = ALT+0138 = ALT+0139 = ALT+0140 = ALT+0145 = ALT+0146 = ALT+0147 = ALT+0148 = ALT+0149 = ALT+0150 = ALT+0151 = ALT+0152 = ALT+0153 = ALT+0154 = ALT+0155 = ALT+0156 = ALT+0159 ¡ = ALT+0161 ¢ = ALT+0162 £ = ALT+0163 ¤ = ALT+0164 ¥ = ALT+0165 ¦ = ALT+0166 § = ALT+0167 ¨ = ALT+0168 © = ALT+0169 ª = ALT+0170 « = ALT+0171 ¬ = ALT+0172 = ALT+0173 ® = ALT+0174 ¯ = ALT+0175 ° = ALT+0176 ± = ALT+0177 ² = ALT+0178 ³ = ALT+0179 ´ = ALT+0180 µ = ALT+0181 ¶ = ALT+0182 · = ALT+0183 ¸ = ALT+0184 ¹ = ALT+0185 º = ALT+0186 » = ALT+0187 ¼ = ALT+0188 ½ = ALT+0189 ¾ = ALT+0190 ¿ = ALT+0191 À = ALT+0192 Á = ALT+0193 Â = ALT+0194 Ã = ALT+0195 Ä = ALT+0196 Å = ALT+0197 Æ = ALT+0198 Ç = ALT+0199 È = ALT+0200 É = ALT+0201 Ê = ALT+0202 Ë = ALT+0203 Ì = ALT+0204 Í = ALT+0205 Î = ALT+0206 Ï = ALT+0207 Ð = ALT+0208 Ñ = ALT+0209 Ò = ALT+0210 Ó = ALT+0211 Ô = ALT+0212 Õ = ALT+0213 Ö = ALT+0214 × = ALT+0215 Ø = ALT+0216 Ù = ALT+0217 Ú = ALT+0218 Û = ALT+0219 Ü = ALT+0220 Ý = ALT+0221 Þ = ALT+0222 ß = ALT+0223 à = ALT+0224 á = ALT+0225 â = ALT+0226 ã = ALT+0227 ä = ALT+0228 å = ALT+0229 æ = ALT+0230 ç = ALT+0231 è = ALT+0232 é = ALT+0233 ê = ALT+0234 ë = ALT+0235 ì = ALT+0236 í = ALT+0237 î = ALT+0238 ï = ALT+0239 ð = ALT+0240 ñ = ALT+0241 ò = ALT+0242 ó = ALT+0243 ô = ALT+0244 õ = ALT+0245 ö = ALT+0246 ÷ = ALT+0247 ø = ALT+0248 ù = ALT+0249 ú = ALT+0250 û = ALT+0251 ü = ALT+0252 § = ALT+0253 þ = ALT+0254 ÿ = ALT+0255 ASCII Special Characters ¤ = ALT+ 15 ¶ = ALT+ 20 § = ALT+ 21 Ç = ALT+128 ü = ALT+129 é = ALT+130 â = ALT+131 ä = ALT+132 à = ALT+133 å = ALT+134 ç = ALT+135 ê= ALT+136 ë = ALT+137 è = ALT+138 ï = ALT+139 î = ALT+140 ì = ALT+141 Ä = ALT+142 Å = ALT+143 É = ALT+144 æ = ALT+145 Æ = ALT+146 ô = ALT+147 ö = ALT+148 ò = ALT+149 û = ALT+150 ù = ALT+151 ÿ = ALT+152 Ö = ALT+153 Ü = ALT+154 ¢ = ALT+155 £ = ALT+156 ¥ = ALT+157 P = ALT+158 = ALT+159 á = ALT+160 í = ALT+161 ó = ALT+162 ú = ALT+163 ñ = ALT+164 Ñ = ALT+165 ª = ALT+166 º = ALT+167 ¿ = ALT+168 ¬ = ALT+169 ¬ = ALT+170 ½ = ALT+171 ¼ = ALT+172 ¡ = ALT+173 « = ALT+174 » = ALT+175 ß = ALT+225 p = ALT+227 µ = ALT+230 ± = ALT+241 ÷ = ALT+246 ° = ALT+248 = ALT+249 · = ALT+250 ² = ALT+253
In the past two weeks, there has been, only three e-mails, from the GERMANNA COLONIES, web site. Is it up, and running, or is down, for some reasons. Or is this just, a time of the years, when there is nothing going on. Ray Groves ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
I am seeking direction concerning one of my German ancestors for whom I am presently at a dead end. I am in possession of a copy of a letter dated 1907 which suggests that my ancestor, Moses Tapp, married "Mary Bach, a German girl." Here is my dilemma: The alleged Mary Bach (if that was indeed her name) married said Tapp in Culpeper County circa 1784 based on the ages of their oldest children in later census records. This would place Mary's birth circa 1755/1765. I have contacted Dan Back, who is presently updating the book, A Back Family History, and he advises that out of the more than 40,000 descendants of the immigrant BACK/BACH family that settled in northern Virginia (the part which eventually became Culpeper County), there is not a single Mary Back/Bach of the right age to have been my Mary. One or two of Hermann Back's sons apparently had daughters named Mary, but they were not born until circa 1777, much too early to have been my Mary. So, I have the research of Dan Back and his colleagues ostensibly precludes a Back/Bach connection. To further complicate matters, the name Back/Bach does not appear to be closely associated with the Tapp in Culpeper County land records. In fact, those records appear to place the Back family quite a distance away from the Tapp family. These dead ends leave me with no alternative but to seek fresh ideas to possibly help identify my alleged Mary Bach. Consider the following speculation: There are land records which connect Frederick FISHBACK to the Tapp family. (In fact, he appears to have had a daughter named Mary of the right age to have married Moses Tapp.) The UTTERBACK family is also found living on an adjacent plat to my Tapp ancestors. There are no doubt other families of German origin residing in Culpeper County at the time with last names ending in "back," "boch" or "bach." Were there any of these families known to have shortened their names to Back or Bach? I have read where some immigrants intentionally changed their names for a variety of reasons. I have even considered the possibility that one or more of the Bach males could have fathered an illegitimate daughter whose name does not appear in the Back family register? One other possibility, I suppose, is that Mary Bach could have been the young widow of a Bach male rather than a Bach by birth. However, I presume Dan Back would have advised of that possibility in his response to my inquiry if. I know I am grasping for straws here, but such is my plight at this point. I would appreciate any ideas the list can provide that might help me refine, add to or eliminate the above possibilities. At this point, anything is possible. David
That Last Yager William Yager Grove aka William Yager Groves William Yager Grove, was born on August 5th, 1905, in Clifton Forge,Virginia. He was the oldish son of, Barbara Elizabeth Yager, of Rockingham County, Va. And David Isaac Marksvillus Grove, of Marksville, in Page County, in Virginia. He was the great, great, great, grandson of, Philemon Yager, of his mother's, Rockingham County, family. Also at the time, of his birth, he was the grandson of, Martha Gertrude "Strickler" Grove, Deavers, of Marksville, Va.. She did not live, to see his birth, she die in 1901, at the age of 45, of unknown causes. He was the last, to have the, Yager name, as any part of his own family name, in any form. On May 14th, 1919, he enlisteded in the, U.S. Navy, at Hamptom Roads, in Virginia. At the time of his enlistment, he was just 16 years old. At this young age, his father, had to sign for, his enlistment, into the service. He serve with the, U.S. Navy, on peace duty, in Europe, at the end of, World War 1. He also serve, in both Asia, and South America, on various, U.S. Naval ships. At the end of his naval service, he left, his Virginia home. And moved up north, to the city of, Philadelphia, Pa.! It was at this time, that for reasons known, only to him. He added the "s", to his last name, change it, from Grove, his father name, to Groves, his new name. It was also at this time, that he met, and later marry, Ellen "Helen" Walsh. She was born on, August 4th, 1904, in Castlebar, County Mayo Ireland. They were married on, June 19th 1928, in Philadelphia. There marriage lasted 40 years, through more bad times, and bad years, then good ones. But in all of those, 40 years! To my knowledge, he never once, return to his Virginia home, or Family. At the time of his death, on September 27th, 1969, he was 64, years old. The cause of his death, was due to, "Pulmonary Emphysema". He was survived by his three older sisters, who at the time, still live in Clifton Forge, Va.. There names were, Miss. Rena Gertrude Grove, born October 19th, 1904, Mrs. Nell Grove Baugher, born October 15th, 1906, and Virginia Grove Janney, born May 6th, 1909. He was also survived by his wife, Helen "Ellen" Walsh Groves, his wife of 40 years. And by his, four children, two sons, two daughters! There names were, Dorothy Groves Ford, William James Groves, Eleanor Groves Thompson, and Raymond John Groves. He was also survived by, 10 grand children, and later, great grand children. William "Yager" Groves, rest in final peace at, Fernwood Cemetery, in Lansdowne Pa., just outside of, Philadelphia. Raymond John Groves ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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