Fred, exactly where was Bute County, N.C.? Is it a current N.C. county? ptn

The two other Wilhites were Nickolas and Aaron in Fayette County.

The new Land Office databases are located in the Patent Series pages of the Kentucky Secretary of State'e website at http://sos.ky.gov/land Secretary of State Trey Grayson continues to expand the records for our state. In the last few days I have found a John Wilhite, Joshua Stapp, William Booth etc. There are numerous choices and you have to play around a little to find what you need. The site also links to the "Jackson Purchase Locator" , West of Tennessee River Non-Military Patents, Rev. War and Treasury Warrants. You get a copy of the real thing. Ex: On John Wilhite's it had how many acres, how much was paid, the No. of the Warrant, the front of a certificate, the person that recorded and when, page numbers, where the property is near, the County Fayette, signed by P. c Henry and mentions Patrick Henry Esquire was the Gov. of the Commonwealth of Virginia. There is a difference in the date of survey, the purchase and the date it was recorded. The surveyor drew a map. It was near another Wilhoite's land that begins with an A and I can not read. No pun intended I imagine the trees named are gone. All I have to do is find out which John Wilhite.

I am referring to this sentence in a recent post about the Wilhite family in Kentucky, probably then a part of Virginia. This statement was made: Recently Land Warrants have been added to our KY Site. Question: I am assuming this is a website. If so, may we have the URL? A lot of Virginians, including a fair number of Germanna descendants--and the families into which [whom?] they married--were in early Kentucky. Especially Holtzclaw. Again, may we have the URL for this website? Thanks. E.W.Wallace **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

In the early 1800's, the Yager family, own land, in almost all of Northren Virginia. Who own, that land now? Who was the Yager, that own it? What county, in Virginia, was it located in? When was it sold, and for how much, was it sold for? And last of all! Is there any land, in Virginia, that is still in the Yager family name? Ray Groves G,G,G,G,G,Great Grandson, of Adam Yager Jr. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Winifred Miller - Sending along Just in case a link for you.... Note to Barb - Guessing these Bute Co. NC Darnall folks connected to same Fauquier Co.Va Darnall Family. *Re: Darnal*l : Bute County, NC 1764-1779 time frame Following Darnall family in Bute Co. = John, William, Charles, Joseph, Morgan, Dwelle, Jane Darnall *DB-2, page 159. *19 January 1768. JOHN PARDUE(PERDUE) to FIELD(S) PARDUE (PREDUE), both of Bute Co. "Given & delivered" (Deed of Gift?) 100 A. in Bute Co. adj. JONATHAN JOHNSON & JOHN JACKSON. Wit: JAMES MOORE, *JOHN DARNALL*. Proved by JAMES MOORE, Bute February Court 1769, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: 20 June 1769, by WILLIAM JOHNSON, P.R. Marginal notation: De. to FIELD PARDUE 15 Feb. 1770** On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:21 PM, <RockCatt@aol.com> wrote: > Is your John Darnall related to Jeremiah Darnall and Catherine Holtzclaw, > the daughter of Jacob Holtzclaw and Anna Margreth Otterbach? > > Barb Price > > > In a message dated 10/12/2008 10:40:27 Pacific Daylight Time, > vmguy@md.metrocast.net writes: > > Winifred K. Miller: > > I am referring your Kentucky situation to officers of family-based group > involved with these VA/KY Documents. My John Darnall, a Rev. War Patriot, > MD/KY had a Virginia document of his Land Grant in Kentucky > > > Violet Moore Guy > > > -- Fred Duncan 136 Kirk Adams Road Angier, North Carolina 27501

Is your John Darnall related to Jeremiah Darnall and Catherine Holtzclaw, the daughter of Jacob Holtzclaw and Anna Margreth Otterbach? Barb Price In a message dated 10/12/2008 10:40:27 Pacific Daylight Time, vmguy@md.metrocast.net writes: Winifred K. Miller: I am referring your Kentucky situation to officers of family-based group involved with these VA/KY Documents. My John Darnall, a Rev. War Patriot, MD/KY had a Virginia document of his Land Grant in Kentucky Violet Moore Guy -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Winifred K Miller Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:09 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Land warrant for John Wilhite from Virginia Recently Land Warrants have been added to our KY Site. John Wilhite bought 920 acres of land from the Commonwealth of Virginia August 1785. It is signed by a John (Harvie?) No. 13858 Amount $1,425 Am trying to tie this warrant to my John Wilhite, b c 1745 and married Lucy Stapp c 1769 in VA. Know my John Wilhite was in Woodford County, KY before 1800. Does any one know of another John that would conflict with this warrant? I have Mary Ballenger his mother and Michael(Johann) Willhoite as his parents. On the warrant John is Wilhite, on one of his son's marriage certificate it is spelled Wilhite. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Recently Land Warrants have been added to our KY Site. John Wilhite bought 920 acres of land from the Commonwealth of Virginia August 1785. It is signed by a John (Harvie?) No. 13858 Amount $1,425 Am trying to tie this warrant to my John Wilhite, b c 1745 and married Lucy Stapp c 1769 in VA. Know my John Wilhite was in Woodford County, KY before 1800. Does any one know of another John that would conflict with this warrant? I have Mary Ballenger his mother and Michael(Johann) Willhoite as his parents. On the warrant John is Wilhite, on one of his son's marriage certificate it is spelled Wilhite.

Winifred K. Miller: I am referring your Kentucky situation to officers of family-based group involved with these VA/KY Documents. My John Darnall, a Rev. War Patriot, MD/KY had a Virginia document of his Land Grant in Kentucky Violet Moore Guy -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Winifred K Miller Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:09 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Land warrant for John Wilhite from Virginia Recently Land Warrants have been added to our KY Site. John Wilhite bought 920 acres of land from the Commonwealth of Virginia August 1785. It is signed by a John (Harvie?) No. 13858 Amount $1,425 Am trying to tie this warrant to my John Wilhite, b c 1745 and married Lucy Stapp c 1769 in VA. Know my John Wilhite was in Woodford County, KY before 1800. Does any one know of another John that would conflict with this warrant? I have Mary Ballenger his mother and Michael(Johann) Willhoite as his parents. On the warrant John is Wilhite, on one of his son's marriage certificate it is spelled Wilhite. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"ANITA SCHMIDT" <schmidt.a@verizon.net> October 11, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Thomas wrote: "A 'cousin' of the Winn family showed me the business card of a school friend named Thoma, who lives in Kansas." Is this Winn family connected to the Winn family found in Washington County, AR. Some of these migrated to California during the gold rush. Richard Nixon's grandfather[?] went out from here to the gold fields. The ancestor's brother remain back in Arkansas. Cary Anderson

Minor Winn, Sr. born in Wales and died in Fauquier, VA. Minor Winn , Jr. was born and died in Fauquier. Minor Winn, III was born in Fauquier and died in Milton, Bedford, KY. Robert Minor Winn, Sr. was born Fauquier, married in Cane Hill, Washington Co., AR and died Coal Hill, Johnson Co., AR. Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thomas family down the line > > "ANITA SCHMIDT" <schmidt.a@verizon.net> > October 11, 2008 5:02 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Thomas > > wrote: > "A 'cousin' of the Winn family showed me the business card of a school > friend named Thoma, who lives in Kansas." > > Is this Winn family connected to the Winn family found in Washington > County, > AR. Some of these migrated to California during the gold rush. Richard > Nixon's grandfather[?] went out from here to the gold fields. The > ancestor's brother remain back in Arkansas. > > Cary Anderson > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Marilyn; So glad you found that a California family took care of Joseph Thomas. I live in California. In what area was he living? He was probably in CA during the 1920s and 1930s. Our gen. soc. has transcribed the 1930s census for Ventura County. I was talking to our genealogy group last Wednesday and mentioned that I am descended from the Thoma/Thomas family. A "cousin" of the Winn family showed me the business card of a school friend named Thoma, who lives in Kansas. What a small world. Anita Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Thomas family down the line > Just had a GREAT day and wanted to share it. My grandparents, Joseph > Granville Thomas (descendant of Johannes Thoma) and Bessie Callison > married in Clark County, Ohio in 1903. They moved on to the Dakotas and > ended up homesteading in Canada where Joseph joined the Canadian Army for > WWI. He was injured in France and then returned to Canada where he left > his family about 1922 being "shellshocked" from the war. This was all that > we knew for many years. The Canadian government paid for Bessie and the > kids to return to Springfield, Ohio where she lived the rest of her life. > > > > About 8 years ago, my sister and I lucked into finding his death in 1967 > on the SSDI and were able to get a death and burial certificate stating > that he was buried in California and the name of the man who owned the > farm that he worked on. > > > > > We actually talked our husbands into a trip to California (from > Mississippi) to find his grave and have some sense of peace about this > missing grandfather. > > > > > Today my chore was to try to find any relatives of the man on whose farm > he worked and I DID. The one son who had the same name was still listed by > that name in the phone book but his widow told me had died last year and > they had only been married 5 years. However, she was familiar with Joseph. > She is legally blind so not able to help much BUT she passed my phone > number along to her brother in law and he returned my call almost > immediately. He was as excited as I was because Joseph was like a > grandfather to him, helping raise him as his mother had died when he was > young. > > > > > "Not long after the depression, Joe (we called him Gardener Joe because he > was always working in the garden) showed up on our doorstep looking for > work. Since the family was a single dad and two small boys, he was > hired -- and never left. The family ended up building him a house on their > land, helped him apply for social security and took care of his burial. He > was remembered as well loved, kind, generous and a fun babysitter." > > > > > He has lots of pictures of Gardener Joe and the resemblance to my dad's > brother is uncanny. > > > > > I don't know where he was during the 20s and 30s but hope to learn that > someday also. > > > > > The most important thing is that he did not have his original family but > that he was loved and cared for. Wasn't this a nice day? Take care. > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just had a GREAT day and wanted to share it. My grandparents, Joseph Granville Thomas (descendant of Johannes Thoma) and Bessie Callison married in Clark County, Ohio in 1903. They moved on to the Dakotas and ended up homesteading in Canada where Joseph joined the Canadian Army for WWI. He was injured in France and then returned to Canada where he left his family about 1922 being "shellshocked" from the war. This was all that we knew for many years. The Canadian government paid for Bessie and the kids to return to Springfield, Ohio where she lived the rest of her life. About 8 years ago, my sister and I lucked into finding his death in 1967 on the SSDI and were able to get a death and burial certificate stating that he was buried in California and the name of the man who owned the farm that he worked on. We actually talked our husbands into a trip to California (from Mississippi) to find his grave and have some sense of peace about this missing grandfather. Today my chore was to try to find any relatives of the man on whose farm he worked and I DID. The one son who had the same name was still listed by that name in the phone book but his widow told me had died last year and they had only been married 5 years. However, she was familiar with Joseph. She is legally blind so not able to help much BUT she passed my phone number along to her brother in law and he returned my call almost immediately. He was as excited as I was because Joseph was like a grandfather to him, helping raise him as his mother had died when he was young. "Not long after the depression, Joe (we called him Gardener Joe because he was always working in the garden) showed up on our doorstep looking for work. Since the family was a single dad and two small boys, he was hired -- and never left. The family ended up building him a house on their land, helped him apply for social security and took care of his burial. He was remembered as well loved, kind, generous and a fun babysitter." He has lots of pictures of Gardener Joe and the resemblance to my dad's brother is uncanny. I don't know where he was during the 20s and 30s but hope to learn that someday also. The most important thing is that he did not have his original family but that he was loved and cared for. Wasn't this a nice day? Take care. Marilyn

Thanks--that makes sense.  I found it on my map although it is listed as just Mine Run on the map.   My gg-grandfather was on picket duty in early 1864 at Germanna Ford and also at Gold Mine Run according to his CSR at the National Archives.  I thought that Gold Mine Run had to be somewhere in the vicinity of Germanna Ford--at least a reasonable traveling distance on a horse since he served in the cavalry.  His daughter later married Jefferson Davis Holtzclaw, Germanna descendant.   Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: james <jpez0510@sbcglobal.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 10:13:59 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] location of gold mine creek (run) between rt 692 and rt 611. runs parallel to 692 and west of 611 A wet spot thru the woods. NW of Locust Grove, Va. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for a link, between Philemon Yager's family, and the family of Isaac A. Yager. Philemon Yager, was the son of Adam Yager Jr.. And at the time the 1820 U.S. Census! He was liven, in Rockingham County, Virginia. Isaac A. Yager, was born about, 1820. in Shenandoah County, Virginia. Even in the 1800's, these two counties, of Northern Virginia, were not that far apart. So there is, a very good possibly, these two men, are father and son. And this would make, Isaac A. Yager, a grandson, of Adam Yager Jr.! There is some evidence, to this fact, but no birth records, have been found. If anyone, has any information, that my show, a family link, between these two, Yager men. Could you please contact me. Thank you, for any help, that you may give. Yours truly, Ray Groves ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

between rt 692 and rt 611. runs parallel to 692 and west of 611 A wet spot thru the woods. NW of Locust Grove, Va.

I am trying to locate Gold Mine Run in the Culpeper/Fauquier/Orange Counties area.  So far all the maps that I have searched do not have it.  If anyone is familiar with the location, please let me know. Thanks-- Suzanne Collins Matson

Jim . . . . just found this note saying you received them. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:37 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hebron Parsonage Deed Requests I RECEIVED MY COPY, THANKS. JIM PEZZARO SAN ANTONIO, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "N Rector" <nhrector@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hebron Parsonage Deed Requests >I would very much like a copy. > > NHR > > --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Jan Hensley <janhensley@cox.net> wrote: > > From: Jan Hensley <janhensley@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hebron Parsonage Deed Requests > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 9:34 AM > > I received a request for the deed last evening that somehow found its way > into my junk mail folder and has now disappeared. (I can't remember who > it > was from.) If you have requested a copy & have not yet received it, > please > let me know & I'll send it out ASAP. > > Thanks, Jan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Hensley > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:31 AM > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GERMANNA] Hebron Parsonage > > While searching at the Madison County Courthouse for the property of one > of > my ancestors, I discovered that his property abutted that of the Hebron > Parsonage. One of the old plats referenced a chancery suit, Fray vs. > Lutheran Church 1869.05. That chancery suit contains the original 1733 > deed > of William Carpenter of St. Marks Parish of Spotsylvania to Michael Cook & > Michael Smith "Wardons" & trustees of the German Church with, of > course, > original signatures. The law suit was filed as a partition suit to allow > the church to sell a portion of the parsonage land and was filed by > Ephriam > D. Fray, a "member of the religious congregation known as the Hebron > Evangelical Lutheran Church." > > > > Thought the list would enjoy reading two extracts from the bill of > complaint: > > > > ". . . . that all the original deeds of the church were at one time in the > hands of Moses Weaver, a trustee, who died at a great age a few years > ago." > > > > ". . . Your orator further shews that the said Parsonage Tract has been > used > by the Church, for time whereof the memory of man runs not to the > contrary, > as a residence for their minister who has usually combined the business of > farming with his clerical duties and taken such products as he could raise > on the farm as part of his compensation as minister; that whether the > clergy > as a class are unfitted by their sacred calling for tilling the soil, > whether the worthy ministers of this church have happened to be inferior > farmers, or whatever may have been the cause, the land has been steadily > damaged under their tillage, although of good original quality it is now > disfigured with galls and gullies also with old field pines, briars and > other noxious growth; the fencing is in bad condition; the building and > improvements are old and sadly in want of repairs; and the whole place is > in > such a condition that nothing short of the constant personal care of a > practical farmer - interested as proprietor in its permanent improvement > can > suffice to restore it to its original state or to render its cultivation > at > all remunerative. Your orator further shews that it is incompatible with > the spiritual interest of the Church that their pastor should be thus > subjected to the drudgery of cultivating a farm in order to maintain > himself > and family, for in this way most of his time is appropriated to secular > pursuits, he has no time for pastoral visitation and no fit opportunity > for > study or for the proper religious instruction of his flock; that such is > the > practical working of the system that although he congregation is large and > the location in other respects very desirable it is now found impossible > to > secure the services of a minister of an effective and acceptable character > unless the old plan of putting the minister to work on the farm be broken > up; that they are now deprived of the services of any minister by these > very > difficulties, but ministers of high order of merit express their > willingness > to take charge of the Church, if provided with a mere Parsonage elsewhere, > and thus allowed to devote all their time and attention to their clerical > functions . . . . " > > > > Those who would like a copy of the 1733 deed, let me know. FYI: I shot > it > with a 12.1 megapixel camera so the images are quite large. > > > > Best, Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I would very much like a copy. NHR --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Jan Hensley <janhensley@cox.net> wrote: From: Jan Hensley <janhensley@cox.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hebron Parsonage Deed Requests To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 9:34 AM I received a request for the deed last evening that somehow found its way into my junk mail folder and has now disappeared. (I can't remember who it was from.) If you have requested a copy & have not yet received it, please let me know & I'll send it out ASAP. Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Hensley Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:31 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hebron Parsonage While searching at the Madison County Courthouse for the property of one of my ancestors, I discovered that his property abutted that of the Hebron Parsonage. One of the old plats referenced a chancery suit, Fray vs. Lutheran Church 1869.05. That chancery suit contains the original 1733 deed of William Carpenter of St. Marks Parish of Spotsylvania to Michael Cook & Michael Smith "Wardons" & trustees of the German Church with, of course, original signatures. The law suit was filed as a partition suit to allow the church to sell a portion of the parsonage land and was filed by Ephriam D. Fray, a "member of the religious congregation known as the Hebron Evangelical Lutheran Church." Thought the list would enjoy reading two extracts from the bill of complaint: ". . . . that all the original deeds of the church were at one time in the hands of Moses Weaver, a trustee, who died at a great age a few years ago." ". . . Your orator further shews that the said Parsonage Tract has been used by the Church, for time whereof the memory of man runs not to the contrary, as a residence for their minister who has usually combined the business of farming with his clerical duties and taken such products as he could raise on the farm as part of his compensation as minister; that whether the clergy as a class are unfitted by their sacred calling for tilling the soil, whether the worthy ministers of this church have happened to be inferior farmers, or whatever may have been the cause, the land has been steadily damaged under their tillage, although of good original quality it is now disfigured with galls and gullies also with old field pines, briars and other noxious growth; the fencing is in bad condition; the building and improvements are old and sadly in want of repairs; and the whole place is in such a condition that nothing short of the constant personal care of a practical farmer - interested as proprietor in its permanent improvement can suffice to restore it to its original state or to render its cultivation at all remunerative. Your orator further shews that it is incompatible with the spiritual interest of the Church that their pastor should be thus subjected to the drudgery of cultivating a farm in order to maintain himself and family, for in this way most of his time is appropriated to secular pursuits, he has no time for pastoral visitation and no fit opportunity for study or for the proper religious instruction of his flock; that such is the practical working of the system that although he congregation is large and the location in other respects very desirable it is now found impossible to secure the services of a minister of an effective and acceptable character unless the old plan of putting the minister to work on the farm be broken up; that they are now deprived of the services of any minister by these very difficulties, but ministers of high order of merit express their willingness to take charge of the Church, if provided with a mere Parsonage elsewhere, and thus allowed to devote all their time and attention to their clerical functions . . . . " Those who would like a copy of the 1733 deed, let me know. FYI: I shot it with a 12.1 megapixel camera so the images are quite large. Best, Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message