If you can find when the land was sold, it may/should name a wife. If he was married at the time, his wife should have to sign off on the sale. Take care. Marilyn Any help would be appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Winifred K Miller <winnie.miller@att.net> To: GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:57 am Subject: [GERMANNA] John Wilhite buying land 1782 Does any person know if this John Wilhite purchasing land in Fayette County by warrant 19 Aug. 1782 could be any other John Wilhite except the John married to Lucy Stapp 1769 in Orange County, VA and son of Michael Willhoite(sic) and Mary Ballenger? Mary Ballenger must be Michael's second wife if their marriage date of c 1756 in Culpeper County is correct. Problem: I have John born 1745. I have a copy of John buying land in Fayette County, VA-KY and a deed signed Jan. 20, 1783 and more land in 1784. Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any person know if this John Wilhite purchasing land in Fayette County by warrant 19 Aug. 1782 could be any other John Wilhite except the John married to Lucy Stapp 1769 in Orange County, VA and son of Michael Willhoite(sic) and Mary Ballenger? Mary Ballenger must be Michael's second wife if their marriage date of c 1756 in Culpeper County is correct. Problem: I have John born 1745. I have a copy of John buying land in Fayette County, VA-KY and a deed signed Jan. 20, 1783 and more land in 1784. Any help would be appreciated.

Found this article in the KY Explorer printed from the old Louisville Herald Post 1930 and as this is one of my lines worth investigating. " The will of Simon Miller of Stafford County, Virginia, dated July 30, 1798, is recorded at Fredericksburg, in Book A3, page 142. We have been told, through this column, of the original Capt. Simon Miller, born in England in 1642, who came to this country in 1673, and patented land in Old Rappahannock County, and reference made to some of his children, who lived in Essex County. It is through his son, John Miller, named in his will, whose son, John, had a son, Thomas, who was Thomas, John, Richard, Nancy, Jane, and Mary Miller, about whom we have been solicitous through the weeks, and thankful to those who have contributed information There must be many descendants of these children living in Jefferson County and other counties of the state". Mary (Mollie) Miller is mine. She married James Hord. The Jane mentioned may be the wife of Thomas Hord and the mother of James Hord that married my Mary Susan Mollie Miller. Remember a story that old Simon was a father and father in law to the same person.... This also opens up checking the KY Kinfolk Column published in 1930 for any past columns. Does any person have access to the will of Simon listed July 30, 1798? I have him deceased Nov 1799 in Spotsylvania, VA. They must have been " characters" from some of my papers I had copies from the Court House.

May I recommend that you subscribe to these websites and post your queries there. You did well--you posted DATES, which is wonderful. _valouisa-l-request@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:valouisa-l-request@rootsweb.com) also to _VA-SOUTHSIDE-request@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:VA-SOUTHSIDE-request@rootsweb.com) Rootsweb has been taken over by Ancestry.com and the subscription process is different these days, but it is still FREE, thank goodness. (I subscribe to a few in United Kingdom, and the people are very helpful there, because a lot of records are centralized, and the censuses have not been destroyed!) Now, a few deeds and other Louisa Co. documents have been put on a webpage, and, fortunately for all of us, some kind person composed an index. This is far from complete, so don't give up hope. These are notes taken when a professional genealogist, Janice L. Abercrombie, was doing research for a client. Notes are not the same as transcribing a whole book of deeds or church records or court records. This is NOT a rootsweb or genforum or any particular organized genealogical website. Good luck in your searches. This is a surname index, which will link you with deeds of persons with that surname. It is a hit or miss proposition. If you are interested in some inexpensive books--abstracts of deeds, church records, tithable lists of early Louisa Co., write me privately. _http://trevilians.com/deeds/deedmain.htm_ (http://trevilians.com/deeds/deedmain.htm) (The Germanna Colonies rootsweb is mostly for those of us who are descended from several groups of Germans brought over [through England in some cases] ca 1714 and 1717 and perhaps later to work in the so-called iron mines of Virginia. Governor Spotswood was involved in this scheme.) (It is better to post to a county rootsweb--or a State rootsweb--when you have some details about your ancestry. One person was right about photography--a newish invention!!! Oh, yes, and always give some dates in your queries!!! Many people don't give dates, hence no responses.) E.W.Wallace who has made all the mistakes one can make in genealogy wrong place--wrong time, etc. **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

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Julia, Photography was not developed until the 1800s, around 1850 for print on paper.  You can find information on the web. If you are lucky and your people were prosperous, you might find paintings. J. Watkins --- On Thu, 10/23/08, julia wright <wrightjulia@att.net> wrote: From: julia wright <wrightjulia@att.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Gooden, Thomas and wife Gooden, Susannah Hoffman To: GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Cc: wrightjulia@att.net Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:20 PM I am interested in receiving any information or photos of Thomas Gooden born 1785 in Louisa, Virginia or his wife Susannah Hoffman Gooden born 1796 in Page County, VA. I would in particular like to know who the parents of Thomas Gooden were and would like to have pictures of he and Susannah.  Thank you for anything you can help me with. Julia M. Wright ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nancy and all: The President of the 1812 Society whom you should contact for grave markers is: Myron (Mike) Lyman email at: melyman@cablefirst.net Hope to meet a few of you on November 15th at 3:00 p.m. for the Leroy Kilby grave marker ceremony in Slate Mills (details to follow) Craig Kilby On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Sunshine49 wrote: > I would love to have a marker put up for my gr-gr-gr grandfather > Richard Lee Cardwell; he's buried in Shockoe Cem, Richmond, and was a > veteran of that war.

I am interested in receiving any information or photos of Thomas Gooden born 1785 in Louisa, Virginia or his wife Susannah Hoffman Gooden born 1796 in Page County, VA. I would in particular like to know who the parents of Thomas Gooden were and would like to have pictures of he and Susannah.  Thank you for anything you can help me with. Julia M. Wright

-------------- Original message -------------- From: SusiCP@aol.com > OK so how do I get to belong to this orgainization and get the newsletter? > Susi > > Hi Susi, Did you mean the Germanna Foundation or Palatines to America? For the Germanna Foundation visit www.germanna.org. The newsletter is mailed to members about four times each year. For the Palatines to America I recommend asking John Blankenbaker directly as he is a member. Cathi

Thanks for your help. If I can get a copy of the real document wouldn't I be in better source records? Haven't seen one of their books and will check at the library or Filson Club. I have a few books that just give an index and do not feel that is one of the best ways to document.

These are some of my notes made while reading Family History Library [FHL] film 0030210, entitled Ablemarle Co., VA General Index to Wills. This person is not my ancestor, and I have no further information. The name, which I recognized from Germanna Colonies e-mails and lists, was of interest. I have done no further research. Pass this info on to interested parties. Note the late dates. Also note that there is a time gap of 50 years between the will of one Ezekial Wilhoit and the later one. The last column is the will book number and the page. I shall not repeat the name every time. 1839 Wilhoit, Ezekial - will - 12-462 1839 " " inventory 12-9 1839 " " ad a/c 13-346 1841 " " Excr 14-170 1842 " " a/c sales 14-368 1843 " " Excr a/c 15-69 1845 " " " " 16-29 50 years later 1889 Wilhoit, Ezekial will 29-624 1839 - Wilhoit, Ezekial - Will Since typing the above, I dipped into the census indexes on Ancestry.com and found listings for Ezekial Wilhoit and Wilhard in Albemarle Co. in these census years: 1850 1870 1880 - the last image is quite faded. I did not do the actual reading. I hope this is of interest to some curious genealogist/family historian. E.W.Wallace interested in colonial Harrises and McCords of Albemarle Co. oh, yes, and Dabneys, too **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Winifred: The correct reference is "Orange County, Virginia Abstracts 1778-1821" by Ruth and Sam Sparacio and published by The Antient Press (copyright 1985). This is found on p. 142 of their book and is noted to be found on p. 200 of Orange County Will Book 5. The date of the inventory of the estate of Robert Lancaster was "24th day of last month .. given 20th June 1817 by Geo. Grasty, George Quisenberry, John Deadman . . value $1858.121 1/2. Returned into court 28th July 1817." Kirk Sheap in VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Winifred K Miller Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:30 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Quotes from Sparacio I have a reference 1817 Orange CO, VA Will Book 3, pg 200(1734-1838) by Sparacio. The reference is to an Estate Inventory of Robert Lancaster made June 20, 1817 and recorded July 28, 1817. I am not sure of Sparacio's reports. It this a true source?

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I have a reference 1817 Orange CO, VA Will Book 3, pg 200(1734-1838) by Sparacio. The reference is to an Estate Inventory of Robert Lancaster made June 20, 1817 and recorded July 28, 1817. I am not sure of Sparacio's reports. It this a true source? Robert Lancaster and Mary Mallory are my line through William Lancaster married to Mary Polly Webb. Children of Robert L and Mary Mallory: Richard L married Johanna Singleton My William L to Mary Polly Webb Thomas L to Frances Haley, Peggy Humes, Micha Owens NN mentioned as dec. Rev. War Robert Jr. to Lucy Dear John A to Susannah Singleton Reuben to Betsy Conner Mary Polly to John Conner Jr Elizabeth to Stephen Adams Ann to James Nelson (This information sent to me by Nancy Matthews so I want to give her credit for her work)

I received my Germanna Newsletter this past week. First, it is the best newsletter that the Foundation has issued in quite a while. Congratulations to all, especially to the editor, Virginia Nuta. There is an error in the letter. The date of the Pennsylvania Chapter of the Palatines to America meeting has been changed. Dr. Paul, the featured speaker, could not make the original date of November 1 and the meeting date was changed to October 18 which is tomorrow. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net

Since a good many of the descendants, at least of the First Germanna Colony, migrated to Kentucky, one needs to be aware of several shortcomings in doing research in that state [commonwealth]: 1. The counties multiplied--and divided. Woodford Co. is mentioned in one recent query/answer to a query. One has to be aware of the parent county in whatever State you are researching. This is what the Family History Library Catalog [Place search] says about Woodford Co., KY Formed 1788, created from Fayette County. A disaster in 1965 destroyed most of the records. 2. The 1790 census for Virginia, which included Kentucky and whatever other land Virginia claimed, is among the missing censuses. In order to make up for this missing census, two diligent genealogists compiled three volumes called The 1787 Census of Virginia. This so-called census includes all the the-then counties in Kentucky. If you live in Virginia or Kentucky or near a large genealogical library, try to find these three volumes. The third volume is an index of the surnames and given names in the preceding two volumes. They will be shelved with Census records, for the most part. Netti Schreiner Yantis and Florine S. Love, The 1787 Census of Virginia This is the full title as found in the FHL catalog _The 1787 census of Virginia : an accounting of the name of every white male tithable over 21 years, the number of white males between 16 & 21 years, the number of slaves over 16 & those under 16 years, together with a listing of their horses, cattle & carriages, and also the names of all persons to whom ordinary licenses and physician's licenses were issued_ (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titlen o=622815&disp=The+1787+census+of+Virginia) This is a compilation of all the existing 1787 personal property tax lists for every county in Virginia for that year. A few counties are missing. Be sure to check all references in the Index to your ancestor--or collateral. Why? Because -- I discovered that my ancestor from Albemarle Co., VA was already making his move to Madison Co., KY. He is listed in both localities. The personal property was livestock and slaves [see description above], so be quite careful when copying this material. Copy the key which is in the first volume and probably the second volume also. A good many widows are listed--good for finding your *missing* ladies! Interestingly enough, the wealthiest man in Albemarle Co. VA seemed to be Thomas Jefferson, according to the tax list for his district.. In the past, I have found the lady in charge of the Kentucky land records in Frankfort--The Secretary of State is her boss, but he changes all the time--has been most cooperative in the past when I have written to her inquiring about land grants for various relatives and collaterals. One time she sent me a map of the land holdings of the person from whom my ancestor bought his land--Island No. 2 in the Mississippi, which Island no longer exists!! Another time, she sent me information about an North Carolina ancestor's widowed daughter to whom he had bequeathed some land in Kentucky. I am not sure this kind lady is still there. But--be thoughtful and explain as much as you can--and give dates, for goodness' sake. (So many queries are missing dates. When did this event occur--yesterday? A century ago?) Of course, when you are searching for any name, be aware of misspellings. Hultzclaw and so forth are common misspellings. My ancestor's surname is Kemper, spelled Kamper and Camper. At least two John Kempers are in early Garrard Co., KY but at least one of them bought his land from Holtzclaw, who I believe was in Mercer Co. But be sure to find the parent county of whatever county you are researching in Kentucky--and especially in Virginia!!! If you are beginning your research in a new jurisdiction, such as a new State, you may find Guidance on the Familysearch.org website. Research Outlines are thoroughly researched and edited before publication. The nice thing about Research Outlines is that if the document/book has been filmed, frequently the film number will be given--saving you a good deal of time. Best of luck!! E.W.Wallace whose Kentucky ancestors poured in from Virginia, North Carolina, and even Pennsylvania [German as well as Scots-Irish] **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

It would be the John Wilhite b c 1745 that I would be interested. He married 1769. I know he was in Woodford County, KY before his son Tobias married Nancy Margaret Ellis in 1801. Thanks

Winifred Does any one know who the James Holesclaw is on this site? http://sos.ky.gov/land Warrant 2485? Patent VA 6797.0 Date 1780 I can't place him in my files. How do I locate the land? Is it in Va or Ky. Is there away to determine the county? Julie ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > The new Land Office databases are located in the Patent > Series pages of the Kentucky Secretary of State'e website > at http://sos.ky.gov/land Secretary of State Trey > Grayson continues to expand the records for our state. > Commonwealth of Virginia. ............................... > ------------------------------- > bill and julie wallace

This marriage is listed in a book I have of early Madison Co., KY marriages. Source is given below. Interestingly, contrasted with most other marriages in this book, the Wilhoite-Crigler marriage does not list a bondsman nor a consent, nor is there a bond date. The return was 28 Dec 1815. No marriages are recorded in Madison Co. for a male Crigler nor Krigler for this period through 1822. Madison Co. divided into other counties. Searches may need to be made in adjoining counties. Wilhoite, John - Crigler, Catharine, return 28 Dec 1815 Source: Bill & Kathy Vockery, Madison County Kentucky Marriage Records, Vol. I, 1786-1822 [Richmond, KY: Published by authors, 1993], p. 89. Submitted by E.W.Wallace **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Bute County, NC was cut out of Old Granville County, NC. It only existed from 1764-79 and then was absorbed back into Warren, Halifax, Vance, Granville Counties after 1779. What's so interesting about this county is that it's like a time capsule. Also, this county was home base of the Transylvania Land Company ( Richard Henderson & others involved with TN/KY lands, Daniel Boone, etc.). Second thing, is the wagon road, out of Va, ran through this county, so, appears it was a staging point for moves West. I'm guessing many people elected this route from VA, through NC, and then on to TN/KY ... Just an opinion, from looking at migratory paths. Anyone who has Fauquier/Staford/Westmoreland area family connections, might want to search this site ...Seems to be many of the same surnames here. Bute Coutny Location: On today's maps, if you locate Roanoke River in NC, then old Bute County ran along south side of NC/VA line and included lands on the southwest side of Roanoke River in the area of current Vance,Warren & Halifax counties. Hope this helps http://www.ncgenweb.us/bute/ On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM, PATRICIA <patcha@carolina.rr.com> wrote: > > Fred, exactly where was Bute County, N.C.? Is it a current N.C. county? > ptn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Fred Duncan 136 Kirk Adams Road Angier, North Carolina 27501