Wonder why Nathan names a daughter-in-law in his will?  Most of the time daughters-in-law are not mentioned.  Also in the Wilkes County Loose Papers is found the appointment of Royland Beasley as guardian of William B. Holtzclaw, orphan and minor of Nathan Holtzclaw, deceased.  No date is given but would have been after 1814. Suzanne ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:55:30 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham's children Yes, Jincy is the wife of Timothy and Rhoda's son, Nathan.  She is  Jincey Beasley, the daughter of Richard Beasley.  Nathan died in 1814 and I  do have this documentation about Jincey: From, "Early Records of Georgia, Vol. 1 and 2," Page 81: "REYNOLDS, GEORGE.......June 16, 1813.....Jincey Holtzclaw,  Test. Page 96: "LEVERETT, WILLIAM, decd.......Jincy Holtzclaw named permanent  Admx. Nathan Holtzclaw, decd.  Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw and Leroy Sales,  Security." Page 96--William Leverett, dec'd. Abraham Leverett appointed Admr.  Silas Catching and William Ashmore, Security. Ezekiel B. Parks, dec'd. Robert  Parks appointed Admr. Alsey Hartsfield, Security. Jincy Holtzclaw appointed  permanent Admx. Nathan Holtzclaw, dec'd. Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw and Leroy  Sales Security. Petition of Ludwell Fullilove, Admr. to sell the slaves of  Nathaniel J. Pope, dec'd., for division. Page 265: "BEASLEY, RICHARD, dec'd.  Inventory Nov. 15, 1810.  Nathan Holtzclaw, admr. Churchwell blakey, Benjamin Smith and Christopher  Binns, apprs. **Father of Jincey Holtzclaw Barb

I forgot the grand children, Lucinda and William, they are the children of Nathan and Jincey. It appears that most of Timothy's children were married after his death, except for Nathan, he had the 2 children and his daughter, Charlotte, she was married and had at least 4 children prior to Timothy's death, but he didn't leave anything to those grand children. Charlotte is my ancestress. Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 20:37:19 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: Barb, Thanks- This is how I see the children from different sources: Timothy's will: Charlotte Burnes, Henry Holtzclaw, Elijah Holtzclaw, Jincy Holtzclaw, Silas Holtzclaw, John Graham Holtzclaw, Sally Russell, Emily Holtzclaw John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. BCH in The Holtzclaw Genealogy: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Elijah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. Do you know which is Jincy? Since Nathan died before his father, he is not named in the will but it seems that the grandchildren named were Nathan's children, according to my notes. Does that match your information? Suzanne ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:06:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham's children Suzanne, I'm a descendant of Timothy and Rhoda (Graham) Holtzclaw and the documentation that I have that Elijah is Timothy's son is Timothy's will: Will of Timothy Holtzclaw, dated April 20, 1816 and Probated July 1, 1816 in Wilkes Co.., Georgia: "To grandchildren William and Lucinda Holtzclaw land, slaves, etc., in possession of their mother for widowhood. Confirms a slave to dau. Charlotte Burnes. To son Henry land etc. to son Elijah land etc. To Jincy Holtzclaw feather bed etc. To sons Silas and John Gresham(Graham) Holtzclaw remainder of land, at their mothers death. To dau. Sally Russell a slave. To dau. Emily Holtzclaw, slave, bed etc. To wife Rhoda land whereon I live, slaves, etc., final division to all my children, named above. Sons Henry and Elijah, Excrs. Signed April 20, 1816. Probated July 1, 1816. Test. David Kerr, Arnold Atkinson, Jacob Callaway." HOLTZCLAW, TIMOTHY, descd.., Returns of Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw, admrs shows paid Joel Abbott for two visits etc. I think that I have some more information about him, I'll try to find it. Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 19:52:16 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: While reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the list of his siblings. BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child of Timothy and Rhoda. Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir= htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Timothy's will doesn't have all of his children listed because several of them died prior to his will: This is how I see the children from different sources: Timothy's will: Charlotte Burnes, Henry Holtzclaw, Elijah Holtzclaw, Jincy Holtzclaw, Silas Holtzclaw, John Graham Holtzclaw, Sally Russell, Emily Holtzclaw Timothy's will is dated 1816, the year of his death, but his son, Nathan, had predeceased him in 1814. Oliver Holtzclaw died in 1803, Elice Holtzclaw died in 1805--they were both young children and Elizabeth Holtzclaw died in 1794, she was only 9 years old. That would leave the 7 children named in his will and Nathan's wife, Jincey. Barb In a message dated 11/18/2008 20:37:19 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: Barb, Thanks- This is how I see the children from different sources: Timothy's will: Charlotte Burnes, Henry Holtzclaw, Elijah Holtzclaw, Jincy Holtzclaw, Silas Holtzclaw, John Graham Holtzclaw, Sally Russell, Emily Holtzclaw John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. BCH in The Holtzclaw Genealogy: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Elijah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. Do you know which is Jincy? Since Nathan died before his father, he is not named in the will but it seems that the grandchildren named were Nathan's children, according to my notes. Does that match your information? Suzanne ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:06:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham's children Suzanne, I'm a descendant of Timothy and Rhoda (Graham) Holtzclaw and the documentation that I have that Elijah is Timothy's son is Timothy's will: Will of Timothy Holtzclaw, dated April 20, 1816 and Probated July 1, 1816 in Wilkes Co.., Georgia: "To grandchildren William and Lucinda Holtzclaw land, slaves, etc., in possession of their mother for widowhood. Confirms a slave to dau. Charlotte Burnes. To son Henry land etc. to son Elijah land etc. To Jincy Holtzclaw feather bed etc. To sons Silas and John Gresham(Graham) Holtzclaw remainder of land, at their mothers death. To dau. Sally Russell a slave. To dau. Emily Holtzclaw, slave, bed etc. To wife Rhoda land whereon I live, slaves, etc., final division to all my children, named above. Sons Henry and Elijah, Excrs. Signed April 20, 1816. Probated July 1, 1816. Test. David Kerr, Arnold Atkinson, Jacob Callaway." HOLTZCLAW, TIMOTHY, descd.., Returns of Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw, admrs shows paid Joel Abbott for two visits etc. I think that I have some more information about him, I'll try to find it. Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 19:52:16 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: While reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the list of his siblings. BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child of Timothy and Rhoda. Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir= htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Yes, Jincy is the wife of Timothy and Rhoda's son, Nathan. She is Jincey Beasley, the daughter of Richard Beasley. Nathan died in 1814 and I do have this documentation about Jincey: From, "Early Records of Georgia, Vol. 1 and 2," Page 81: "REYNOLDS, GEORGE.......June 16, 1813.....Jincey Holtzclaw, Test. Page 96: "LEVERETT, WILLIAM, decd.......Jincy Holtzclaw named permanent Admx. Nathan Holtzclaw, decd. Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw and Leroy Sales, Security." Page 96--William Leverett, dec'd. Abraham Leverett appointed Admr. Silas Catching and William Ashmore, Security. Ezekiel B. Parks, dec'd. Robert Parks appointed Admr. Alsey Hartsfield, Security. Jincy Holtzclaw appointed permanent Admx. Nathan Holtzclaw, dec'd. Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw and Leroy Sales Security. Petition of Ludwell Fullilove, Admr. to sell the slaves of Nathaniel J. Pope, dec'd., for division. Page 265: "BEASLEY, RICHARD, dec'd. Inventory Nov. 15, 1810. Nathan Holtzclaw, admr. Churchwell blakey, Benjamin Smith and Christopher Binns, apprs. **Father of Jincey Holtzclaw Barb In a message dated 11/18/2008 20:37:19 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: Barb, Thanks- This is how I see the children from different sources: Timothy's will: Charlotte Burnes, Henry Holtzclaw, Elijah Holtzclaw, Jincy Holtzclaw, Silas Holtzclaw, John Graham Holtzclaw, Sally Russell, Emily Holtzclaw John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. BCH in The Holtzclaw Genealogy: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Elijah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. Do you know which is Jincy? Since Nathan died before his father, he is not named in the will but it seems that the grandchildren named were Nathan's children, according to my notes. Does that match your information? Suzanne ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:06:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham's children Suzanne, I'm a descendant of Timothy and Rhoda (Graham) Holtzclaw and the documentation that I have that Elijah is Timothy's son is Timothy's will: Will of Timothy Holtzclaw, dated April 20, 1816 and Probated July 1, 1816 in Wilkes Co.., Georgia: "To grandchildren William and Lucinda Holtzclaw land, slaves, etc., in possession of their mother for widowhood. Confirms a slave to dau. Charlotte Burnes. To son Henry land etc. to son Elijah land etc. To Jincy Holtzclaw feather bed etc. To sons Silas and John Gresham(Graham) Holtzclaw remainder of land, at their mothers death. To dau. Sally Russell a slave. To dau. Emily Holtzclaw, slave, bed etc. To wife Rhoda land whereon I live, slaves, etc., final division to all my children, named above. Sons Henry and Elijah, Excrs. Signed April 20, 1816. Probated July 1, 1816. Test. David Kerr, Arnold Atkinson, Jacob Callaway." HOLTZCLAW, TIMOTHY, descd.., Returns of Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw, admrs shows paid Joel Abbott for two visits etc. I think that I have some more information about him, I'll try to find it. Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 19:52:16 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: While reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the list of his siblings. BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child of Timothy and Rhoda. Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir= htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

I think this is Elijah Holtzclaw as a witness to his brother, Nathan's will in 1814: From, "Early Records of Georgia, Vol. 1 and 2," Page 115: "HOLTZCLAW, NATHAN. "To be decently buried on the east side of a walnut tree back of my garden with my head against the tree." To wife Jincy a tract of land described in my father's will adj. [to] Patsy Foster and Elizabeth Holtzclaw, also land on Beaverdam Creek, Slaves, household goods, etc. and the distributive share of the estate of Richard Beasley now coming to me, for widowhood, final division to wife Jincy and my two children, Lucinda Jordan Holtzclaw and William Beasley Holtzclaw. Joseph Henderson Jr., and Peter B. Terrell, Excrs. Signed August 8, 1814. Probated Nov. 7, 1814. Elijah Holtzclaw, Charles Kerr, Billy Kerr, Henry Holtzclaw, Test." Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 19:52:16 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: While reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the list of his siblings. BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child of Timothy and Rhoda. Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Suzanne, I'm a descendant of Timothy and Rhoda (Graham) Holtzclaw and the documentation that I have that Elijah is Timothy's son is Timothy's will: Will of Timothy Holtzclaw, dated April 20, 1816 and Probated July 1, 1816 in Wilkes Co., Georgia: "To grandchildren William and Lucinda Holtzclaw land, slaves, etc., in possession of their mother for widowhood. Confirms a slave to dau. Charlotte Burnes. To son Henry land etc. to son Elijah land etc. To Jincy Holtzclaw feather bed etc. To sons Silas and John Gresham(Graham) Holtzclaw remainder of land, at their mothers death. To dau. Sally Russell a slave. To dau. Emily Holtzclaw, slave, bed etc. To wife Rhoda land whereon I live, slaves, etc., final division to all my children, named above. Sons Henry and Elijah, Excrs. Signed April 20, 1816. Probated July 1, 1816. Test. David Kerr, Arnold Atkinson, Jacob Callaway." HOLTZCLAW, TIMOTHY, descd., Returns of Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw, admrs shows paid Joel Abbott for two visits etc. I think that I have some more information about him, I'll try to find it. Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 19:52:16 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: While reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the list of his siblings. BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child of Timothy and Rhoda. Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Barb, Thanks- This is how I see the children from different sources: Timothy's will: Charlotte Burnes, Henry Holtzclaw, Elijah Holtzclaw, Jincy Holtzclaw, Silas Holtzclaw, John Graham Holtzclaw, Sally Russell, Emily Holtzclaw John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. BCH in The Holtzclaw Genealogy: Nathan, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Henry, Sarah, Elijah, Emily, Silas, Elice, Oliver, John G. Do you know which is Jincy?  Since Nathan died before his father, he is not named in the will but it seems that the grandchildren named were Nathan's children, according to my notes.  Does that match your information? Suzanne ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:06:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham's children Suzanne, I'm a descendant of Timothy and Rhoda (Graham) Holtzclaw and the  documentation that I have that Elijah is Timothy's son is Timothy's will: Will of Timothy Holtzclaw, dated April 20, 1816 and Probated July 1, 1816  in Wilkes Co.., Georgia: "To grandchildren William and Lucinda Holtzclaw land,  slaves, etc., in possession of their mother for widowhood.  Confirms a  slave to dau. Charlotte Burnes.  To son Henry land etc. to son Elijah land  etc.  To Jincy Holtzclaw feather bed etc. To sons Silas and John  Gresham(Graham) Holtzclaw remainder of land, at their mothers death.  To  dau. Sally Russell a slave.  To dau. Emily Holtzclaw, slave, bed etc.  To wife Rhoda land whereon I live, slaves, etc., final division to all my  children, named above.  Sons Henry and Elijah, Excrs.  Signed April  20, 1816. Probated July 1, 1816.  Test. David Kerr, Arnold Atkinson, Jacob  Callaway." HOLTZCLAW, TIMOTHY, descd.., Returns of Henry and Elijah Holtzclaw,  admrs shows paid Joel Abbott for two visits etc. I think that I have some more information about him, I'll try to find  it. Barb Price In a message dated 11/18/2008 19:52:16 Pacific Standard Time,  holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: While  reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw  (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the  list of his siblings.  BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and  Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child  of Timothy and Rhoda.  Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of  Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins  Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While reviewing some notes taken from the Bible record of John Graham Holtzclaw (1804-1879), I noticed that he omitted Elijah Holtzclaw (1793-1867) from the list of his siblings.  BCH has Elijah as a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham but he is not listed in John Graham Holtzclaw's Bible as a child of Timothy and Rhoda.  Has anyone located proof that Elijah was a son of Timothy Holtzclaw and Rhoda Graham? Thanks--- Suzanne Collins Matson

Thanks for posting this resource. It's awesome for clarifying some things. Jim -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Don Johnson" <voodoo@wdemail.com> > Kentucky <http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/ky_cf.html> Formation Maps >

Thanks Don, I hadn't seen this animated map. This will make a useful time line. No wonder KY records are so hard to locate. I have been looking at Lincoln, Mercer, Garrard, Boyle, Oldham, Trimble and Carroll counties. Thanks again. Julie ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Those of you trying to research through the development of > Kentucky, there are some decent year by year progression > maps at: > > Kentucky <http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/ky_cf.html> > Formation Maps > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message

You are most certainly welcome. ~Don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim E. Barlow Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:19 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Virginians in Kentucky Thanks for posting this resource. It's awesome for clarifying some things. Jim -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Don Johnson" <voodoo@wdemail.com> > Kentucky <http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/ky_cf.html> Formation Maps >

Those of you trying to research through the development of Kentucky, there are some decent year by year progression maps at: Kentucky <http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/ky_cf.html> Formation Maps

Craig - sure did enjoy your story - reminds me of the ones my grandmother, Jennie Berry-Ryder Jones used to tell us when we were kids. She lived to be 92 yrs of age. She was born in Syria and I recall her talking about Slate Mills. I would surely enjoy the photos. Thanks so much - Paulina Yager Campbell (Page County) pyc105@highspeedlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Kilby" <persisto@earthlink.net> To: <vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Cc: <kilby-l@rootsweb.com>; <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [VACULPEP] A day in Culpeper and Rappahannock > If anyone wants photos from today's event, Mike Lyman has already > sent the important one by email. I'm afraid I was the designated > photographer on most of them, but they are still very telling. > > Send me an email off list and I'll forward Mike's email to me with > the photos. > > Again, the "Culpeper Minutemen" Chapter of SAR really made this day > (along of course with Lucia Kilby, Dr. Walter Kilby, and others). > What an adventure. If nothing else, these photos give an idea of the > landscape of the Culpeper/Rappahannock/Madison County border and the > Piedmont. (Slate Mills is right where those 3 counties converve. We > crossed the Culpeper/Rappahannock County border at least twice on > this trip, and when asked where James Kilby, father of Leroy, was > buried, we just pointed across the hill.) > > Craig > > On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:36 PM, RockCatt@aol.com wrote: > >> What a great day, Craig! Thank you also for your kind words >> regarding Marc >> Wheat, the President of the Germanna Foundation. It's good to >> know that he >> also dances while discussing Germanna! >> >> Barb Price >> >> >> In a message dated 11/15/2008 15:56:08 Pacific Standard Time, >> persisto@earthlink.net writes: >> >> Dear Listers: >> >> In the many years I have been doing genealogical research, today must >> rank among one of the most memorable ever. Not all things have to do >> with court houses. They sometimes have to do with cemeteries, and on >> very special occasions, they have to do with ceremonies for soldiers >> past. Since getting there is half the fun, please allow me to share >> a most enjoyable day. >> >> It all started over a year ago, when Mike Lyman, a fellow SAR >> compatriot of the Richard Henry Lee Chapter in Lancaster County, >> Virginia, and past President of the Virginia Society War of 1812 >> Virginia, came into the Mary Ball Museum & Library to donate his >> latest work, "Location of War of 1812 Veteran Graves in Virginia" I >> told him I knew of a grave I bet he didn't. He was all ears. I told >> him about the Kilby family grave yard at Slate Mills in Rappahannock >> County, where lies Private Leroy Kilby (1785-1859). >> >> Fast forward to today. I drove up yesterday (Friday) to do some >> research for a client at the Culpeper Court House. (If anybody knows >> where the MISSING "Foushee vs. Foushee's Executor" chancery suit, >> settled in 1845, has gone to, please let me know. It contains the >> will of one Thornton Foushee whose will was recorded in MISSING Will >> Book "M".) >> >> I had not been to Culpeper for any length of time in at last ten >> years. I must say, the downtown is quite a hopping little place for >> night life. I had a wonderful mug of "Crab Swiss Fondue" soup at >> "The Pub" on East Davis, which is in a basement off of an alley, and >> is the site of the old Culpeper County jail, where my poor old great- >> great uncle Joseph Kilby died while there in 1845. He was >> incarcerated for bad debts relating to questionable horse dealing. I >> toasted him in front of the roaring wood burning fireplace. I'm sure >> it was all just a minor misunderstanding. (When I relayed this story >> to the staff, I was informed the place is very much haunted.) >> >> But the thrust of this trip was all about today. >> >> Today began with intermitment rains, and did not bode well for any >> outdoor activities. To start the day, however, was an in-door >> meeting of the Culpeper Minutemen Chapter of the SAR here at the Best >> Western Hotel where I am staying and from which I write this account. >> >> My local SAR chapter apparently does nothing by the rule book. We >> are simply a social organization that meets for cocktails at 11:30 >> a.m., have a nice lunch and a good speaker, and go home. Always a >> good crowd, and that is all I thought it was supposed to be. >> >> Let me tell, when I walked in I saw half of the people there in >> period costume, including Mike Lyman, who had told me in advance that >> I would learn what a "real" SAR meeting is all about, I knew I was in >> for something quite different. I'll skip all the formalities here. >> As people introduced themselves, I learned that our featured speaker >> today was none other than Marc Wheat, President of the Germanna >> Memorial Foundation. Now this came as quite a shock as just this >> very morning I had been exchanging emails with John Blankenbaker >> about the origins of the First Colony. >> >> A huge pang of guilt also hit me, as I had not renewed my membership >> to Germanna in some years. I rectified that immediately! I had >> never met Marc in person, and I knew nothing of his professional >> background (very impressive), and I was quite eager to hear his >> presentation. Unfortunately, most of it was drowned out by a live >> band at a birthday party in the next room, and an Evangelical choir >> group across the hall. Bad planning on the part of the Best >> Western. Marc did a good job of going with the flow, even dancing to >> the music at one point. >> >> These "real" SAR meetings really drag on. Everybody gets an award >> for something. >> >> But, dear reader, if you have stayed with me this far, we get to the >> really good part of the day. >> >> The Society for the War of 1812, under Mike Lyman diligent pursuit of >> making this happen, was scheduled for 3:00 at the Kilby Family >> Cemetery at Slate Mills. I must here mention my dear cousin Lucia >> Kilby of Sperryville who coordinated this with Mike Lyman. >> >> Now, as I said at the beginning, getting there is half the fun. >> Today, it was nearly all of the fun. Remember, it had been raining >> most of the day, and most of the previous two days before. >> >> The Kilby cemetery is not exactly anywhere anyone would ever find >> it. In fact, it is no where anyone would ever find it. Knowing >> this, Lucia Kilby had arranged for us all to meet at the Slate Mills >> Baptist Church. Finding even that is not an easy task, but we all >> had good directions. >> >> Driving from Culpeper to Slate Mills in a driving rain, not even >> knowing if Lucia would show up or not (the dear lady is in her 80s), >> I arrived ahead of most of the group (nearly all from the local SAR >> chapter, but some from as far away as Fairfax County), and there were >> a few already assembled. To my surprise and delight, this group >> included Dr. Walter B. Kilby, a direct descendant of Leroy Kilby, and >> Lucia's nephew. (Lucia's own children could care less about these >> things, it being deer season.) >> >> The only person who knew how to get to the grave site was Lucia >> Kilby. It's a good thing I have a jeep. >> >> She explained that this grave yard was on private property, and that >> we had to go through several gates and up a hill which has no road to >> get to it. That was an understatement. >> >> Thankfully, it had quit raining. >> >> Since we were still waiting for others, It was decided to take an >> advance convoy of three vehicles, including Mike Lyman's van with all >> of the appurtenances for the ceremoney, and come back for the others >> later. >> >> With Craig and Lucia in the lead, in my jeep, we wound our way >> through some back roads, arrived at the farm in question, and >> proceeded along. At this point, Lucia's memory got a little foggy on >> just where the grave yard was. Not where it was, but how to get to >> it. She hadn't been there in years. (She, in fact, is the one who >> discovered it umpteen years ago.) >> >> So, not seeing any viable way to get up that hill, she said we should >> just drive through the ladies' yard and go around it, and then up the >> hill. Which, after another gate, we did. >> >> Definitely time to put the jeep in 4-wheel drive mode. >> >> To my surprise, Mike Lyman's van actually made it up that mud, >> slippery hill. But there was one more hill to go, and poor Mike's >> van just didn't make it that far. Lucia and I proceeded and finally >> spotted the serene, hill top, iron fenced graveyard. >> >> There, we were first greet by two donkeys, followed very shortly >> afterwards by about 20 wet and very curious horses, ponies and >> colts. Did we bring food? >> >> The third vehicle in the caravan, also a jeep, came up a bit later, >> informing us that the old ladies who lived there did NOT appreciate >> our driving through their yard. Didn't we see the gate we had passed >> to be used for that purpose? (Obviously, we did not.) >> >> Alright, after much shuttling back and forth, about 20 people and 20 >> equines gathered around the grave of Leroy Kilby for a very elaborate >> ceremony to mark the grave of Private Leroy Kilby, who spent all of >> six weeks at Camp Selden. (We are not sure where that was, but it >> was probably on the Potomac River to guard against British man-o-wars >> coming upstream to burn down Washington and Baltimore. As we all >> know, that was not a success.) >> >> And, I must add, just as the ceremony began, the sun came out in >> brilliant display. Dr. Kilby unveiled the marker, taps was played, >> prayers were said, and, well, it was just a most remarkable day for >> one and all. >> >> So, here ends my brief story of one day in the Piedmont of Virginia. >> >> Who says genealogy is dull? >> >> Yours in History, >> Craig Kilby >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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Craig: I thoroughly enjoyed your story. It's very similar to one of my own experiences, trying to find the family burial site of Robert and Dorothea (BAUMGARDNER) FLESHMAN's family burial site in Rich Hollow on Muddy Creek Mountain, just outside of Lewisburg, Greenbrier County, WV. The first time my husband and I tried to locate that site, we managed to get "lost" on the mountain for an entire afternoon. The weather was beautiful, so we really didn't mind, as we "explored". We did manage to find two cemeteries. They just weren't the right ones. We later found out that we had driven right by the site that we were looking for. At the family reunion, there was one person, who lives in Lewisburg and maintains the site, who gave us the rules for going there. First, one must obtain the permission of five property owners, who each have gates that must be opened and closed. Second: It's four-wheel drive vehicles ONLY, necessary to climb up the last stretch. Third: If it has rained during the week prior to a visit, you're not going to get up there, unless it's on foot. (It's not called MUDDY Creek Mountain for no reason.) We formed a caravan of vehicles, with bales of straw (covered by blankets) and ropes (for holding onto) in the backs of pickups, and became "The Adventurers". John Blankenbaker and his wife and our former Germanna president, Thom Faircloth, were in the group, too. Once we reached the site, I still cannot express the feelings that I had. The wonder of walking on land that my fourth greatgrandfather had farmed until his death in 1798, gave me such a sense of reverence. A fieldstone marker, with the initials "R. F." on it, was the only remnant to survive the years. A maple tree had grown around it, leaving only the letter "F" visible. In the 1980s, the family discovered the stone (thanks to an old hunter), carefully removed it from the tree, and encased it in a monument, built of the foundation stones of Robert's old log cabin. A bronze plaque is mounted on the back of the monument, listing Robert & Dorothea, their children, and their children's spouses. It is unknown if there were young children buried there, too. It is my hope that, by telling my story, and reading yours, it will inspire those, who have the ability, to seek out those remote sites and visit them. Such an experience will help to fuel the flames that burn in our souls, and make us want to learn more about our ancestors and the courage it took to uproot and relocate. Linda Johnston

Craig, I'd appreciate receiving Mike's pictures.  Thanks. Dorothy Texas --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [VACULPEP] A day in Culpeper and Rappahannock To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Cc: kilby-l@rootsweb.com, germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:42 PM If anyone wants photos from today's event, Mike Lyman has already sent the important one by email. I'm afraid I was the designated photographer on most of them, but they are still very telling. Send me an email off list and I'll forward Mike's email to me with the photos. Again, the "Culpeper Minutemen" Chapter of SAR really made this day (along of course with Lucia Kilby, Dr. Walter Kilby, and others). What an adventure. If nothing else, these photos give an idea of the landscape of the Culpeper/Rappahannock/Madison County border and the Piedmont. (Slate Mills is right where those 3 counties converve. We crossed the Culpeper/Rappahannock County border at least twice on this trip, and when asked where James Kilby, father of Leroy, was buried, we just pointed across the hill.) Craig On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:36 PM, RockCatt@aol.com wrote: > What a great day, Craig! Thank you also for your kind words > regarding Marc > Wheat, the President of the Germanna Foundation. It's good to > know that he > also dances while discussing Germanna! > > Barb Price > > > In a message dated 11/15/2008 15:56:08 Pacific Standard Time, > persisto@earthlink.net writes: > > Dear Listers: > > In the many years I have been doing genealogical research, today must > rank among one of the most memorable ever. Not all things have to do > with court houses. They sometimes have to do with cemeteries, and on > very special occasions, they have to do with ceremonies for soldiers > past. Since getting there is half the fun, please allow me to share > a most enjoyable day. > > It all started over a year ago, when Mike Lyman, a fellow SAR > compatriot of the Richard Henry Lee Chapter in Lancaster County, > Virginia, and past President of the Virginia Society War of 1812 > Virginia, came into the Mary Ball Museum & Library to donate his > latest work, "Location of War of 1812 Veteran Graves in Virginia" I > told him I knew of a grave I bet he didn't. He was all ears. I told > him about the Kilby family grave yard at Slate Mills in Rappahannock > County, where lies Private Leroy Kilby (1785-1859). > > Fast forward to today. I drove up yesterday (Friday) to do some > research for a client at the Culpeper Court House. (If anybody knows > where the MISSING "Foushee vs. Foushee's Executor" chancery suit, > settled in 1845, has gone to, please let me know. It contains the > will of one Thornton Foushee whose will was recorded in MISSING Will > Book "M".) > > I had not been to Culpeper for any length of time in at last ten > years. I must say, the downtown is quite a hopping little place for > night life. I had a wonderful mug of "Crab Swiss Fondue" soup at > "The Pub" on East Davis, which is in a basement off of an alley, and > is the site of the old Culpeper County jail, where my poor old great- > great uncle Joseph Kilby died while there in 1845. He was > incarcerated for bad debts relating to questionable horse dealing. I > toasted him in front of the roaring wood burning fireplace. I'm sure > it was all just a minor misunderstanding. (When I relayed this story > to the staff, I was informed the place is very much haunted.) > > But the thrust of this trip was all about today. > > Today began with intermitment rains, and did not bode well for any > outdoor activities. To start the day, however, was an in-door > meeting of the Culpeper Minutemen Chapter of the SAR here at the Best > Western Hotel where I am staying and from which I write this account. > > My local SAR chapter apparently does nothing by the rule book. We > are simply a social organization that meets for cocktails at 11:30 > a.m., have a nice lunch and a good speaker, and go home. Always a > good crowd, and that is all I thought it was supposed to be. > > Let me tell, when I walked in I saw half of the people there in > period costume, including Mike Lyman, who had told me in advance that > I would learn what a "real" SAR meeting is all about, I knew I was in > for something quite different. I'll skip all the formalities here. > As people introduced themselves, I learned that our featured speaker > today was none other than Marc Wheat, President of the Germanna > Memorial Foundation. Now this came as quite a shock as just this > very morning I had been exchanging emails with John Blankenbaker > about the origins of the First Colony. > > A huge pang of guilt also hit me, as I had not renewed my membership > to Germanna in some years. I rectified that immediately! I had > never met Marc in person, and I knew nothing of his professional > background (very impressive), and I was quite eager to hear his > presentation. Unfortunately, most of it was drowned out by a live > band at a birthday party in the next room, and an Evangelical choir > group across the hall. Bad planning on the part of the Best > Western. Marc did a good job of going with the flow, even dancing to > the music at one point. > > These "real" SAR meetings really drag on. Everybody gets an award > for something. > > But, dear reader, if you have stayed with me this far, we get to the > really good part of the day. > > The Society for the War of 1812, under Mike Lyman diligent pursuit of > making this happen, was scheduled for 3:00 at the Kilby Family > Cemetery at Slate Mills. I must here mention my dear cousin Lucia > Kilby of Sperryville who coordinated this with Mike Lyman. > > Now, as I said at the beginning, getting there is half the fun. > Today, it was nearly all of the fun. Remember, it had been raining > most of the day, and most of the previous two days before. > > The Kilby cemetery is not exactly anywhere anyone would ever find > it. In fact, it is no where anyone would ever find it. Knowing > this, Lucia Kilby had arranged for us all to meet at the Slate Mills > Baptist Church. Finding even that is not an easy task, but we all > had good directions. > > Driving from Culpeper to Slate Mills in a driving rain, not even > knowing if Lucia would show up or not (the dear lady is in her 80s), > I arrived ahead of most of the group (nearly all from the local SAR > chapter, but some from as far away as Fairfax County), and there were > a few already assembled. To my surprise and delight, this group > included Dr. Walter B. Kilby, a direct descendant of Leroy Kilby, and > Lucia's nephew. (Lucia's own children could care less about these > things, it being deer season.) > > The only person who knew how to get to the grave site was Lucia > Kilby. It's a good thing I have a jeep. > > She explained that this grave yard was on private property, and that > we had to go through several gates and up a hill which has no road to > get to it. That was an understatement. > > Thankfully, it had quit raining. > > Since we were still waiting for others, It was decided to take an > advance convoy of three vehicles, including Mike Lyman's van with all > of the appurtenances for the ceremoney, and come back for the others > later. > > With Craig and Lucia in the lead, in my jeep, we wound our way > through some back roads, arrived at the farm in question, and > proceeded along. At this point, Lucia's memory got a little foggy on > just where the grave yard was. Not where it was, but how to get to > it. She hadn't been there in years. (She, in fact, is the one who > discovered it umpteen years ago.) > > So, not seeing any viable way to get up that hill, she said we should > just drive through the ladies' yard and go around it, and then up the > hill. Which, after another gate, we did. > > Definitely time to put the jeep in 4-wheel drive mode. > > To my surprise, Mike Lyman's van actually made it up that mud, > slippery hill. But there was one more hill to go, and poor Mike's > van just didn't make it that far. Lucia and I proceeded and finally > spotted the serene, hill top, iron fenced graveyard. > > There, we were first greet by two donkeys, followed very shortly > afterwards by about 20 wet and very curious horses, ponies and > colts. Did we bring food? > > The third vehicle in the caravan, also a jeep, came up a bit later, > informing us that the old ladies who lived there did NOT appreciate > our driving through their yard. Didn't we see the gate we had passed > to be used for that purpose? (Obviously, we did not.) > > Alright, after much shuttling back and forth, about 20 people and 20 > equines gathered around the grave of Leroy Kilby for a very elaborate > ceremony to mark the grave of Private Leroy Kilby, who spent all of > six weeks at Camp Selden. (We are not sure where that was, but it > was probably on the Potomac River to guard against British man-o-wars > coming upstream to burn down Washington and Baltimore. As we all > know, that was not a success.) > > And, I must add, just as the ceremony began, the sun came out in > brilliant display. Dr. Kilby unveiled the marker, taps was played, > prayers were said, and, well, it was just a most remarkable day for > one and all. > > So, here ends my brief story of one day in the Piedmont of Virginia. > > Who says genealogy is dull? > > Yours in History, > Craig Kilby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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If anyone wants photos from today's event, Mike Lyman has already sent the important one by email. I'm afraid I was the designated photographer on most of them, but they are still very telling. Send me an email off list and I'll forward Mike's email to me with the photos. Again, the "Culpeper Minutemen" Chapter of SAR really made this day (along of course with Lucia Kilby, Dr. Walter Kilby, and others). What an adventure. If nothing else, these photos give an idea of the landscape of the Culpeper/Rappahannock/Madison County border and the Piedmont. (Slate Mills is right where those 3 counties converve. We crossed the Culpeper/Rappahannock County border at least twice on this trip, and when asked where James Kilby, father of Leroy, was buried, we just pointed across the hill.) Craig On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:36 PM, RockCatt@aol.com wrote: > What a great day, Craig! Thank you also for your kind words > regarding Marc > Wheat, the President of the Germanna Foundation. It's good to > know that he > also dances while discussing Germanna! > > Barb Price > > > In a message dated 11/15/2008 15:56:08 Pacific Standard Time, > persisto@earthlink.net writes: > > Dear Listers: > > In the many years I have been doing genealogical research, today must > rank among one of the most memorable ever. Not all things have to do > with court houses. They sometimes have to do with cemeteries, and on > very special occasions, they have to do with ceremonies for soldiers > past. Since getting there is half the fun, please allow me to share > a most enjoyable day. > > It all started over a year ago, when Mike Lyman, a fellow SAR > compatriot of the Richard Henry Lee Chapter in Lancaster County, > Virginia, and past President of the Virginia Society War of 1812 > Virginia, came into the Mary Ball Museum & Library to donate his > latest work, "Location of War of 1812 Veteran Graves in Virginia" I > told him I knew of a grave I bet he didn't. He was all ears. I told > him about the Kilby family grave yard at Slate Mills in Rappahannock > County, where lies Private Leroy Kilby (1785-1859). > > Fast forward to today. I drove up yesterday (Friday) to do some > research for a client at the Culpeper Court House. (If anybody knows > where the MISSING "Foushee vs. Foushee's Executor" chancery suit, > settled in 1845, has gone to, please let me know. It contains the > will of one Thornton Foushee whose will was recorded in MISSING Will > Book "M".) > > I had not been to Culpeper for any length of time in at last ten > years. I must say, the downtown is quite a hopping little place for > night life. I had a wonderful mug of "Crab Swiss Fondue" soup at > "The Pub" on East Davis, which is in a basement off of an alley, and > is the site of the old Culpeper County jail, where my poor old great- > great uncle Joseph Kilby died while there in 1845. He was > incarcerated for bad debts relating to questionable horse dealing. I > toasted him in front of the roaring wood burning fireplace. I'm sure > it was all just a minor misunderstanding. (When I relayed this story > to the staff, I was informed the place is very much haunted.) > > But the thrust of this trip was all about today. > > Today began with intermitment rains, and did not bode well for any > outdoor activities. To start the day, however, was an in-door > meeting of the Culpeper Minutemen Chapter of the SAR here at the Best > Western Hotel where I am staying and from which I write this account. > > My local SAR chapter apparently does nothing by the rule book. We > are simply a social organization that meets for cocktails at 11:30 > a.m., have a nice lunch and a good speaker, and go home. Always a > good crowd, and that is all I thought it was supposed to be. > > Let me tell, when I walked in I saw half of the people there in > period costume, including Mike Lyman, who had told me in advance that > I would learn what a "real" SAR meeting is all about, I knew I was in > for something quite different. I'll skip all the formalities here. > As people introduced themselves, I learned that our featured speaker > today was none other than Marc Wheat, President of the Germanna > Memorial Foundation. Now this came as quite a shock as just this > very morning I had been exchanging emails with John Blankenbaker > about the origins of the First Colony. > > A huge pang of guilt also hit me, as I had not renewed my membership > to Germanna in some years. I rectified that immediately! I had > never met Marc in person, and I knew nothing of his professional > background (very impressive), and I was quite eager to hear his > presentation. Unfortunately, most of it was drowned out by a live > band at a birthday party in the next room, and an Evangelical choir > group across the hall. Bad planning on the part of the Best > Western. Marc did a good job of going with the flow, even dancing to > the music at one point. > > These "real" SAR meetings really drag on. Everybody gets an award > for something. > > But, dear reader, if you have stayed with me this far, we get to the > really good part of the day. > > The Society for the War of 1812, under Mike Lyman diligent pursuit of > making this happen, was scheduled for 3:00 at the Kilby Family > Cemetery at Slate Mills. I must here mention my dear cousin Lucia > Kilby of Sperryville who coordinated this with Mike Lyman. > > Now, as I said at the beginning, getting there is half the fun. > Today, it was nearly all of the fun. Remember, it had been raining > most of the day, and most of the previous two days before. > > The Kilby cemetery is not exactly anywhere anyone would ever find > it. In fact, it is no where anyone would ever find it. Knowing > this, Lucia Kilby had arranged for us all to meet at the Slate Mills > Baptist Church. Finding even that is not an easy task, but we all > had good directions. > > Driving from Culpeper to Slate Mills in a driving rain, not even > knowing if Lucia would show up or not (the dear lady is in her 80s), > I arrived ahead of most of the group (nearly all from the local SAR > chapter, but some from as far away as Fairfax County), and there were > a few already assembled. To my surprise and delight, this group > included Dr. Walter B. Kilby, a direct descendant of Leroy Kilby, and > Lucia's nephew. (Lucia's own children could care less about these > things, it being deer season.) > > The only person who knew how to get to the grave site was Lucia > Kilby. It's a good thing I have a jeep. > > She explained that this grave yard was on private property, and that > we had to go through several gates and up a hill which has no road to > get to it. That was an understatement. > > Thankfully, it had quit raining. > > Since we were still waiting for others, It was decided to take an > advance convoy of three vehicles, including Mike Lyman's van with all > of the appurtenances for the ceremoney, and come back for the others > later. > > With Craig and Lucia in the lead, in my jeep, we wound our way > through some back roads, arrived at the farm in question, and > proceeded along. At this point, Lucia's memory got a little foggy on > just where the grave yard was. Not where it was, but how to get to > it. She hadn't been there in years. (She, in fact, is the one who > discovered it umpteen years ago.) > > So, not seeing any viable way to get up that hill, she said we should > just drive through the ladies' yard and go around it, and then up the > hill. Which, after another gate, we did. > > Definitely time to put the jeep in 4-wheel drive mode. > > To my surprise, Mike Lyman's van actually made it up that mud, > slippery hill. But there was one more hill to go, and poor Mike's > van just didn't make it that far. Lucia and I proceeded and finally > spotted the serene, hill top, iron fenced graveyard. > > There, we were first greet by two donkeys, followed very shortly > afterwards by about 20 wet and very curious horses, ponies and > colts. Did we bring food? > > The third vehicle in the caravan, also a jeep, came up a bit later, > informing us that the old ladies who lived there did NOT appreciate > our driving through their yard. Didn't we see the gate we had passed > to be used for that purpose? (Obviously, we did not.) > > Alright, after much shuttling back and forth, about 20 people and 20 > equines gathered around the grave of Leroy Kilby for a very elaborate > ceremony to mark the grave of Private Leroy Kilby, who spent all of > six weeks at Camp Selden. (We are not sure where that was, but it > was probably on the Potomac River to guard against British man-o-wars > coming upstream to burn down Washington and Baltimore. As we all > know, that was not a success.) > > And, I must add, just as the ceremony began, the sun came out in > brilliant display. Dr. Kilby unveiled the marker, taps was played, > prayers were said, and, well, it was just a most remarkable day for > one and all. > > So, here ends my brief story of one day in the Piedmont of Virginia. > > Who says genealogy is dull? > > Yours in History, > Craig Kilby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie > news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/ > aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

What a great day, Craig! Thank you also for your kind words regarding Marc Wheat, the President of the Germanna Foundation. It's good to know that he also dances while discussing Germanna! Barb Price In a message dated 11/15/2008 15:56:08 Pacific Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Dear Listers: In the many years I have been doing genealogical research, today must rank among one of the most memorable ever. Not all things have to do with court houses. They sometimes have to do with cemeteries, and on very special occasions, they have to do with ceremonies for soldiers past. Since getting there is half the fun, please allow me to share a most enjoyable day. It all started over a year ago, when Mike Lyman, a fellow SAR compatriot of the Richard Henry Lee Chapter in Lancaster County, Virginia, and past President of the Virginia Society War of 1812 Virginia, came into the Mary Ball Museum & Library to donate his latest work, "Location of War of 1812 Veteran Graves in Virginia" I told him I knew of a grave I bet he didn't. He was all ears. I told him about the Kilby family grave yard at Slate Mills in Rappahannock County, where lies Private Leroy Kilby (1785-1859). Fast forward to today. I drove up yesterday (Friday) to do some research for a client at the Culpeper Court House. (If anybody knows where the MISSING "Foushee vs. Foushee's Executor" chancery suit, settled in 1845, has gone to, please let me know. It contains the will of one Thornton Foushee whose will was recorded in MISSING Will Book "M".) I had not been to Culpeper for any length of time in at last ten years. I must say, the downtown is quite a hopping little place for night life. I had a wonderful mug of "Crab Swiss Fondue" soup at "The Pub" on East Davis, which is in a basement off of an alley, and is the site of the old Culpeper County jail, where my poor old great- great uncle Joseph Kilby died while there in 1845. He was incarcerated for bad debts relating to questionable horse dealing. I toasted him in front of the roaring wood burning fireplace. I'm sure it was all just a minor misunderstanding. (When I relayed this story to the staff, I was informed the place is very much haunted.) But the thrust of this trip was all about today. Today began with intermitment rains, and did not bode well for any outdoor activities. To start the day, however, was an in-door meeting of the Culpeper Minutemen Chapter of the SAR here at the Best Western Hotel where I am staying and from which I write this account. My local SAR chapter apparently does nothing by the rule book. We are simply a social organization that meets for cocktails at 11:30 a.m., have a nice lunch and a good speaker, and go home. Always a good crowd, and that is all I thought it was supposed to be. Let me tell, when I walked in I saw half of the people there in period costume, including Mike Lyman, who had told me in advance that I would learn what a "real" SAR meeting is all about, I knew I was in for something quite different. I'll skip all the formalities here. As people introduced themselves, I learned that our featured speaker today was none other than Marc Wheat, President of the Germanna Memorial Foundation. Now this came as quite a shock as just this very morning I had been exchanging emails with John Blankenbaker about the origins of the First Colony. A huge pang of guilt also hit me, as I had not renewed my membership to Germanna in some years. I rectified that immediately! I had never met Marc in person, and I knew nothing of his professional background (very impressive), and I was quite eager to hear his presentation. Unfortunately, most of it was drowned out by a live band at a birthday party in the next room, and an Evangelical choir group across the hall. Bad planning on the part of the Best Western. Marc did a good job of going with the flow, even dancing to the music at one point. These "real" SAR meetings really drag on. Everybody gets an award for something. But, dear reader, if you have stayed with me this far, we get to the really good part of the day. The Society for the War of 1812, under Mike Lyman diligent pursuit of making this happen, was scheduled for 3:00 at the Kilby Family Cemetery at Slate Mills. I must here mention my dear cousin Lucia Kilby of Sperryville who coordinated this with Mike Lyman. Now, as I said at the beginning, getting there is half the fun. Today, it was nearly all of the fun. Remember, it had been raining most of the day, and most of the previous two days before. The Kilby cemetery is not exactly anywhere anyone would ever find it. In fact, it is no where anyone would ever find it. Knowing this, Lucia Kilby had arranged for us all to meet at the Slate Mills Baptist Church. Finding even that is not an easy task, but we all had good directions. Driving from Culpeper to Slate Mills in a driving rain, not even knowing if Lucia would show up or not (the dear lady is in her 80s), I arrived ahead of most of the group (nearly all from the local SAR chapter, but some from as far away as Fairfax County), and there were a few already assembled. To my surprise and delight, this group included Dr. Walter B. Kilby, a direct descendant of Leroy Kilby, and Lucia's nephew. (Lucia's own children could care less about these things, it being deer season.) The only person who knew how to get to the grave site was Lucia Kilby. It's a good thing I have a jeep. She explained that this grave yard was on private property, and that we had to go through several gates and up a hill which has no road to get to it. That was an understatement. Thankfully, it had quit raining. Since we were still waiting for others, It was decided to take an advance convoy of three vehicles, including Mike Lyman's van with all of the appurtenances for the ceremoney, and come back for the others later. With Craig and Lucia in the lead, in my jeep, we wound our way through some back roads, arrived at the farm in question, and proceeded along. At this point, Lucia's memory got a little foggy on just where the grave yard was. Not where it was, but how to get to it. She hadn't been there in years. (She, in fact, is the one who discovered it umpteen years ago.) So, not seeing any viable way to get up that hill, she said we should just drive through the ladies' yard and go around it, and then up the hill. Which, after another gate, we did. Definitely time to put the jeep in 4-wheel drive mode. To my surprise, Mike Lyman's van actually made it up that mud, slippery hill. But there was one more hill to go, and poor Mike's van just didn't make it that far. Lucia and I proceeded and finally spotted the serene, hill top, iron fenced graveyard. There, we were first greet by two donkeys, followed very shortly afterwards by about 20 wet and very curious horses, ponies and colts. Did we bring food? The third vehicle in the caravan, also a jeep, came up a bit later, informing us that the old ladies who lived there did NOT appreciate our driving through their yard. Didn't we see the gate we had passed to be used for that purpose? (Obviously, we did not.) Alright, after much shuttling back and forth, about 20 people and 20 equines gathered around the grave of Leroy Kilby for a very elaborate ceremony to mark the grave of Private Leroy Kilby, who spent all of six weeks at Camp Selden. (We are not sure where that was, but it was probably on the Potomac River to guard against British man-o-wars coming upstream to burn down Washington and Baltimore. As we all know, that was not a success.) And, I must add, just as the ceremony began, the sun came out in brilliant display. Dr. Kilby unveiled the marker, taps was played, prayers were said, and, well, it was just a most remarkable day for one and all. So, here ends my brief story of one day in the Piedmont of Virginia. Who says genealogy is dull? Yours in History, Craig Kilby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Dear Listers: In the many years I have been doing genealogical research, today must rank among one of the most memorable ever. Not all things have to do with court houses. They sometimes have to do with cemeteries, and on very special occasions, they have to do with ceremonies for soldiers past. Since getting there is half the fun, please allow me to share a most enjoyable day. It all started over a year ago, when Mike Lyman, a fellow SAR compatriot of the Richard Henry Lee Chapter in Lancaster County, Virginia, and past President of the Virginia Society War of 1812 Virginia, came into the Mary Ball Museum & Library to donate his latest work, "Location of War of 1812 Veteran Graves in Virginia" I told him I knew of a grave I bet he didn't. He was all ears. I told him about the Kilby family grave yard at Slate Mills in Rappahannock County, where lies Private Leroy Kilby (1785-1859). Fast forward to today. I drove up yesterday (Friday) to do some research for a client at the Culpeper Court House. (If anybody knows where the MISSING "Foushee vs. Foushee's Executor" chancery suit, settled in 1845, has gone to, please let me know. It contains the will of one Thornton Foushee whose will was recorded in MISSING Will Book "M".) I had not been to Culpeper for any length of time in at last ten years. I must say, the downtown is quite a hopping little place for night life. I had a wonderful mug of "Crab Swiss Fondue" soup at "The Pub" on East Davis, which is in a basement off of an alley, and is the site of the old Culpeper County jail, where my poor old great- great uncle Joseph Kilby died while there in 1845. He was incarcerated for bad debts relating to questionable horse dealing. I toasted him in front of the roaring wood burning fireplace. I'm sure it was all just a minor misunderstanding. (When I relayed this story to the staff, I was informed the place is very much haunted.) But the thrust of this trip was all about today. Today began with intermitment rains, and did not bode well for any outdoor activities. To start the day, however, was an in-door meeting of the Culpeper Minutemen Chapter of the SAR here at the Best Western Hotel where I am staying and from which I write this account. My local SAR chapter apparently does nothing by the rule book. We are simply a social organization that meets for cocktails at 11:30 a.m., have a nice lunch and a good speaker, and go home. Always a good crowd, and that is all I thought it was supposed to be. Let me tell, when I walked in I saw half of the people there in period costume, including Mike Lyman, who had told me in advance that I would learn what a "real" SAR meeting is all about, I knew I was in for something quite different. I'll skip all the formalities here. As people introduced themselves, I learned that our featured speaker today was none other than Marc Wheat, President of the Germanna Memorial Foundation. Now this came as quite a shock as just this very morning I had been exchanging emails with John Blankenbaker about the origins of the First Colony. A huge pang of guilt also hit me, as I had not renewed my membership to Germanna in some years. I rectified that immediately! I had never met Marc in person, and I knew nothing of his professional background (very impressive), and I was quite eager to hear his presentation. Unfortunately, most of it was drowned out by a live band at a birthday party in the next room, and an Evangelical choir group across the hall. Bad planning on the part of the Best Western. Marc did a good job of going with the flow, even dancing to the music at one point. These "real" SAR meetings really drag on. Everybody gets an award for something. But, dear reader, if you have stayed with me this far, we get to the really good part of the day. The Society for the War of 1812, under Mike Lyman diligent pursuit of making this happen, was scheduled for 3:00 at the Kilby Family Cemetery at Slate Mills. I must here mention my dear cousin Lucia Kilby of Sperryville who coordinated this with Mike Lyman. Now, as I said at the beginning, getting there is half the fun. Today, it was nearly all of the fun. Remember, it had been raining most of the day, and most of the previous two days before. The Kilby cemetery is not exactly anywhere anyone would ever find it. In fact, it is no where anyone would ever find it. Knowing this, Lucia Kilby had arranged for us all to meet at the Slate Mills Baptist Church. Finding even that is not an easy task, but we all had good directions. Driving from Culpeper to Slate Mills in a driving rain, not even knowing if Lucia would show up or not (the dear lady is in her 80s), I arrived ahead of most of the group (nearly all from the local SAR chapter, but some from as far away as Fairfax County), and there were a few already assembled. To my surprise and delight, this group included Dr. Walter B. Kilby, a direct descendant of Leroy Kilby, and Lucia's nephew. (Lucia's own children could care less about these things, it being deer season.) The only person who knew how to get to the grave site was Lucia Kilby. It's a good thing I have a jeep. She explained that this grave yard was on private property, and that we had to go through several gates and up a hill which has no road to get to it. That was an understatement. Thankfully, it had quit raining. Since we were still waiting for others, It was decided to take an advance convoy of three vehicles, including Mike Lyman's van with all of the appurtenances for the ceremoney, and come back for the others later. With Craig and Lucia in the lead, in my jeep, we wound our way through some back roads, arrived at the farm in question, and proceeded along. At this point, Lucia's memory got a little foggy on just where the grave yard was. Not where it was, but how to get to it. She hadn't been there in years. (She, in fact, is the one who discovered it umpteen years ago.) So, not seeing any viable way to get up that hill, she said we should just drive through the ladies' yard and go around it, and then up the hill. Which, after another gate, we did. Definitely time to put the jeep in 4-wheel drive mode. To my surprise, Mike Lyman's van actually made it up that mud, slippery hill. But there was one more hill to go, and poor Mike's van just didn't make it that far. Lucia and I proceeded and finally spotted the serene, hill top, iron fenced graveyard. There, we were first greet by two donkeys, followed very shortly afterwards by about 20 wet and very curious horses, ponies and colts. Did we bring food? The third vehicle in the caravan, also a jeep, came up a bit later, informing us that the old ladies who lived there did NOT appreciate our driving through their yard. Didn't we see the gate we had passed to be used for that purpose? (Obviously, we did not.) Alright, after much shuttling back and forth, about 20 people and 20 equines gathered around the grave of Leroy Kilby for a very elaborate ceremony to mark the grave of Private Leroy Kilby, who spent all of six weeks at Camp Selden. (We are not sure where that was, but it was probably on the Potomac River to guard against British man-o-wars coming upstream to burn down Washington and Baltimore. As we all know, that was not a success.) And, I must add, just as the ceremony began, the sun came out in brilliant display. Dr. Kilby unveiled the marker, taps was played, prayers were said, and, well, it was just a most remarkable day for one and all. So, here ends my brief story of one day in the Piedmont of Virginia. Who says genealogy is dull? Yours in History, Craig Kilby

Although most of my Germanna people (Kempers mainly) were in Fauquier Co, once in a while I will find one "suspect" in Culpeper Co. records. You may want to take a look at this URL for a taxable list of 1782 for Culpeper Co. I have spotted a Fishback, but there are many other pages [images] to go. These are images of old handwritten lists, and some pages for other counties I have examined seem to have missing pages, and some of the ink has faded. Good luck in your search. _http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000443/1782/_ (http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000443/1782/) remove any punctuation fore and aft--which AOL seems to add. The CDs of this list are available for sale. Might be a good investment for a genealogical or historical society. E.W.Wallace **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Since Col. Blakiston in London was instrumental in sending the First Colony members to Col. Spotswood, it would not be logical for him to send them to North Carolina. There were lots of ships going to Virginia and he would have arranged with one of these captains to take them to Virginia. I have read the referenced documents (referred to by Fred Duncan) in an English translation. I do not find the quotation Fred ascribed to Spotswood. Quite clearly, Spotswood did not have iron until about 1722/1723 which was long after the Germans had left for Germantown. I have made a detailed study of Spotswood's iron venture and it was much later than many people ascribe to it. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net