On Dec 17, 2008, at 8:30 PM, John Blankenbaker at john.blankenbaker@comcast.net wrote: > I hope Craig will tell us more about the Kilby DNA project. John: I'll try to keep this as brief as possible. There are four known colonial Kilby families, but with no know connection to each other. One was in Boston, one in Maryland, and two in Virginia. The paper trails could not connect any of them. That these various Kilby tribes came from England was also a matter to be solved. Then of course are those Kilbys still in England, and those by that name who came to America much later (1800s). A Y-DNA is only as good as those who participate. In the case of the New England Kilbys, we have not yet been able to find a participant. In the case of the Maryland Kilbys and one of the Virginia Kilby lines, the male lines are extinct. This still left a lot of people who did participate in both England and the US. It was decided very early on by the coordinator of this project to have the 67 marker test. Anything less would be meaningless. From our initial group, including me, it was learned there were two very different "tribes" of Kilbys. This is where we learned the term "haplogroup." Group #1 was of Scandinavian origin. It was exciting because the man who started the project was a perfect match to a man in England. I, however, fell under haplogroup Group #2, of "Western European" origin--a pretty broad geographic area, to say the least, including the British Isles. Within my group came more subgroups. Those that didn't match me or my other Kilby cousins, but still in the same broad category. Now as to some surprising events. (And the tests are still out). By far, the most participants in this study descended from our good old John Kilby of Culpeper County (d. 1772). Three of his sons (William, Michael, Adam) moved to North Carolina in 1776 or thereabouts. Two of his sons (John, James) stayed in Culpeper. I descend from James. I was really expecting some mismatches on the William and Michael lines (Adam had no children)...but such was not the case. Our DNA matches near perfectly no matter from whom or where. The Alan Poe, esteemed genealogist and historian of the Wilkes County, North Carolina area once wrote to me, "The Kilbys were of at least AVERAGE morality." Well, I guess they were somewhat above average, as it turns out. Now, there was one big disappointment, and we have yet to receive results to prove or disprove one of the Culpeper lines. The disappointment is what is called a "non paternity event." That is an understatement. It had long been our view, based on the paper trail, that one Susannah Hawkins (daughter of Mathew Hawkins and Hannah Maxwell) had a child out of wedlock named Samuel Kilby Hawkins. This line went to Kentucky. The view was that she later married Henry Kilby (John2, John1). That much is true. But Henry Kilby, as it turns out, is NOT the father of her bastard son Samuel Hawkins. Unless, of course, the "non paternity event" happened further down the line. So, John and all, that is it in a nutshell. Craig Kilby

I had posted the information recently, as I had not seen George Lang/Long given as born in Bonfeld before until I look at the Settlers List that is newly revised. I think something must have become connected by mistake in the copying and pasting. So my confusion at least on that point has been clarified. Thanks John for your posting the information regarding George Lang. I recall this information being posted by you sometime ago or printed in something of yours. Do the records show his wife's maiden name? I have seen it as Motz, but not connected with any proof of where the Motz came from. Cary

I'm really thinking that when the Yager/Yeager line dies out, that the rest of the world died with it! Therefore, there will be no one around to record anything anyway... There are a lot of descendants of Adam Yager out here! Most of the Yager that I know are just satisfied to know they came from Virginia without seeing a need to prove that they are Yager to anyone that doesn't understand their name! <g> Even for me, (my mother was a Yager) it is only ~entertainment~! ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Corlee Morris Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:08 PM To: Germanna List Subject: [GERMANNA] No Yager/Yeager DNA Study in the works Sorry to disappoint, but I am looking for a Yeager male to capture the Y-Chromosome before the line dies out. There were no more Yeagers in my line to test. I have a double cousin who has a Yeager Uncle that is going to be tested (soon I hope). I am trying to capture all of my DNA lines while links still exist. Once the Genealogy DNA sample has been taken, future test can be performed as the need arises. All Germanna descendants do not need to be test to build a DNA tree. I have the Mitochondrial information for all female descendants from Anna Barbara Schone Blankenbaker Born: 29 Sep 1664 Neuenburg, Baden, Germany and all of the descendants from her 3 daughters. At one time I proposed a Germanna DNA Project but I was told that Germanna could not take on that type of task. So I dropped it. But it would be an interesting study. Since our genealogies are well documented it would be great to see what changes took place since 1717. Corlee Morris Germanna Yeagers

I hope Craig will tell us more about the Kilby DNA project. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net

Is there something in particular that you are looking for in this Y-Chromosome? I'm curious and don't understand what it is that you are seeking... I am descendant of Anna Barbara Schone as well as my line of Yager are. Descendants of Acrey Yager are descendant of Anna Barbara Schone through his wife Elizabeth "Betsy" Leathers... -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Corlee Morris Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:08 PM To: Germanna List Subject: [GERMANNA] No Yager/Yeager DNA Study in the works Sorry to disappoint, but I am looking for a Yeager male to capture the Y-Chromosome before the line dies out. There were no more Yeagers in my line to test. I have a double cousin who has a Yeager Uncle that is going to be tested (soon I hope). I am trying to capture all of my DNA lines while links still exist. Once the Genealogy DNA sample has been taken, future test can be performed as the need arises. All Germanna descendants do not need to be test to build a DNA tree. I have the Mitochondrial information for all female descendants from Anna Barbara Schone Blankenbaker Born: 29 Sep 1664 Neuenburg, Baden, Germany and all of the descendants from her 3 daughters. At one time I proposed a Germanna DNA Project but I was told that Germanna could not take on that type of task. So I dropped it. But it would be an interesting study. Since our genealogies are well documented it would be great to see what changes took place since 1717. Corlee Morris Germanna Yeagers

I lurk in this group not because I am a Germanna descendent but because I have [English] Smith, Thomas and Southard families who lived in close proximity in the 1700's and 1800's Anyway I am involved in several DNA Groups (Hogg, Southard) and they go slow but you have to keep plugging There is a Yeager group however. http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/yeager -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Corlee Morris Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:08 PM To: Germanna List Subject: [GERMANNA] No Yager/Yeager DNA Study in the works Sorry to disappoint, but I am looking for a Yeager male to capture the Y-Chromosome before the line dies out. There were no more Yeagers in my line to test. I have a double cousin who has a Yeager Uncle that is going to be tested (soon I hope). I am trying to capture all of my DNA lines while links still exist. Once the Genealogy DNA sample has been taken, future test can be performed as the need arises. All Germanna descendants do not need to be test to build a DNA tree. I have the Mitochondrial information for all female descendants from Anna Barbara Schone Blankenbaker Born: 29 Sep 1664 Neuenburg, Baden, Germany and all of the descendants from her 3 daughters. At one time I proposed a Germanna DNA Project but I was told that Germanna could not take on that type of task. So I dropped it. But it would be an interesting study. Since our genealogies are well documented it would be great to see what changes took place since 1717. Corlee Morris Germanna Yeagers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, the Thomas DNA project has a new match and his last name is MITCHELL. Apparently descends from one of the Hans/John line since he ended up in the same area of Georgia as William son of Hans and his second wife. There are some court cases involving his Mitchell female and three Thomas men (apparently connected to Jesse, son of Hans) so WHICH ONE was REALLY INVOLVED with her???. He did not expect to match a Mitchell but was SURPRIZED to match a THOMAS. More fun. Take care. Marilyn  -----Original Message----- From: john.blankenbaker@comcast.net To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:13 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Yager Y-DNA study (?) I hope Craig will tell us more about the Kilby DNA project. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to disappoint, but I am looking for a Yeager male to capture the Y-Chromosome before the line dies out. There were no more Yeagers in my line to test. I have a double cousin who has a Yeager Uncle that is going to be tested (soon I hope). I am trying to capture all of my DNA lines while links still exist. Once the Genealogy DNA sample has been taken, future test can be performed as the need arises. All Germanna descendants do not need to be test to build a DNA tree. I have the Mitochondrial information for all female descendants from Anna Barbara Schone Blankenbaker Born: 29 Sep 1664 Neuenburg, Baden, Germany and all of the descendants from her 3 daughters. At one time I proposed a Germanna DNA Project but I was told that Germanna could not take on that type of task. So I dropped it. But it would be an interesting study. Since our genealogies are well documented it would be great to see what changes took place since 1717. Corlee Morris Germanna Yeagers

George Lang/Long Recently there was a brief discussion of George Lang/Long. I assume, and it is a big assumption since the name Lang (or Long in English) is a common name, that we are talking about the early Robinson River settler. His story has some complications but I think we can make it meaningful. He originated in Sulzfeld (see the Sulzfeld Ortssippenbuch). He, along with Christofle Uhl and Frederic Kabler (three consecutive names), petitioned the English government when he was in England for funds to return to Germany. This was in September of 1717. It would appear that he did not make to Virginia in 1717 but was delayed. In Virginia, the head application of George Long was made October 7, 1729, and he stated he came in 1717 on the ship Mulberry. His first and only land patent was in 1731. The head right application mentions only two people while the petition in London says that his party consisted of four people. So the evidence seems contradictory but I believe we can sort it into a meaningful pattern. First, I would note that no other German applied for head rights on the same day as he did. George Long may have misunderstood the question as to when he landed on English soil and he may have been thinking of setting foot in England, not Virginia. If this were the case, then the ship Mulberry would the ship that brought the Second Colony from Rotterdam to London. As to the difference between four people in his party in the petition and the two people for whom he claimed head rights, it may be the case the original party did include four. They returned to Germany and George Long and his wife came again without any others. Or the other two may have died. All of this shows that we must be careful in interpreting documents. Sometimes a missing piece of information may help to clarify the situation. In this case, the petition for funds to return to Germany is a help. And one could easily be confused about the question of when one stepped onto English soil. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net

It seems to me that Corlee is organizing a Y-DNA study for surname Yager. She doesn't say this, but I can think of no other reason why she would be seeking only males with surname Yager. For those who may not know, Y-DNA is passed from father to son and mutates very slowly. Hence, Y-DNA studies can prove common ancestry. While I am a Yager descendant, my surname is of course Kilby and my Y-DNA would not match to a Yager male. So, there is no point in answering this unless you are a male with surname Yager. There is an identical test for the female line, the mitochondria DNA test, which is passed from mother to daughter. This is not used for purposes of genealogy for the simple reason that the females married and changed names. The Kilbys have been conducting a Y-DNA study for over a year. Some very interesting finds have come about as a result. But beware-- there can be some surprises in terms of what is euphemistically termed "non paternal events." Craig > > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) > From: Corlee Morris <cmorris575@att.net> > Subject: [GERMANNA] Calling all Males with the last name of Yager or > Yeager > To: Germanna List <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <679191.89396.qm@web80013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have to believe that with the number of possible descendants of > Adam Yager (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one living > male descendant. If any one knows of a man alive today with the > last name Yager or Yeager even if his ancestry is unknown, please > let me know. > > Thanks, > > Corlee Ann Morris > >

My brother is Stephen S. Yager Our line is- Nicholas, Adam, Michael, Rachel, John M. Yager, George W. Yager, George Robert Yager, Paul Robert Yager, John Walter Yager, Kenneth P. Yager, Kenneth Stephen Yager, Stepen S. Yager 1969. Wendy Yager Hallenbeck On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:23 PM, GloriaY39@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/16/2008 11:19:39 AM Central Standard Time, > cmorris575@att.net writes: > > I have to believe that with the number of possible descendants of > Adam Yager > (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one living male > descendant. > If any one knows of a man alive today with the last name Yager or > Yeager even > if his ancestry is unknown, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Corlee Ann Morris > great great grand daughter of Adam Yager > > > > > > My sons are descendants of Adam Yager. > > Nicholas Yager was their 7th great grandfather; Adam Yager Sr.; Adam > Yager > Jr.; Elijah Yager; Elijah Mars Yager; John Thomas Yager; Robert > Walter Yager; > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

In a message dated 12/16/2008 11:19:39 AM Central Standard Time, cmorris575@att.net writes: I have to believe that with the number of possible descendants of Adam Yager (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one living male descendant. If any one knows of a man alive today with the last name Yager or Yeager even if his ancestry is unknown, please let me know. Thanks, Corlee Ann Morris great great grand daughter of Adam Yager My sons are descendants of Adam Yager. Nicholas Yager was their 7th great grandfather; Adam Yager Sr.; Adam Yager Jr.; Elijah Yager; Elijah Mars Yager; John Thomas Yager; Robert Walter Yager; **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

Good Evening, Ms. Morris, My name is Ray Groves. I am not a Yager by name, but my grandmother was. Her name was BARBARA ELIZABETH YAGER GROVE, born in Rockingham County, Virginia, in 1881. Her father was, William L. Yager, his father was, Ander Jackson Hayes Yager. His father was, Philemon Yager, his father was, Adam Yager Jr., and his father was your, Adam Yager Sr.. Is this information, of any help to you. if so, please contact me. at e-mail address, after my my name, Thank you, Raymond J. Groves redscorsair@peoplepc.com -----Original Message----- >From: Corlee Morris <cmorris575@att.net> >Sent: Dec 16, 2008 12:18 PM >To: Germanna List <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [GERMANNA] Calling all Males with the last name of Yager or Yeager > >I have to believe that with the number of possible descendants of Adam Yager (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one living male descendant. If any one knows of a man alive today with the last name Yager or Yeager even if his ancestry is unknown, please let me know. > >Thanks, > >Corlee Ann Morris >great great grand daughter of Adam Yager > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

There is a Mark Yeager in the Elkton, Virginal telephone directory: (540) 298-2960. Also, Malcon E. Yager plus a half-dozen others in the Page County, Virginia directory: (540) 778-5388. In addition, have you considered General Chuck Yeager (Ret.), arguably one of West Virginia's most famous citizens??? Good luck, E. L. "Rock" Racer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corlee Morris" <cmorris575@att.net> To: "Germanna List" <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Calling all Males with the last name of Yager or Yeager >I have to believe that with the number of possible descendants of Adam >Yager (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one living male >descendant. If any one knows of a man alive today with the last name Yager >or Yeager even if his ancestry is unknown, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Corlee Ann Morris > great great grand daughter of Adam Yager > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have to believe that with the number of possible descendants of Adam Yager (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one living male descendant. If any one knows of a man alive today with the last name Yager or Yeager even if his ancestry is unknown, please let me know. Thanks, Corlee Ann Morris great great grand daughter of Adam Yager

Cary, you are definitely right, Miss Anna Magdalena was the daughter of Matthaeus Reiner from Rappenheim (today = Bad Rappenheim). Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cary Anderson Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:27 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Reiner family I made a big blooper in typing the record from Anna Magdalena Walck's baptismal record. The Godmother was recorded as: "Anna Magdalena Jungfrau Matthäus Reiner tochter Von Rappenheim." I knew it was there, but the readers like Don Cook had no idea. I thought I'd best look at it again as I couldn't imagine a realtionship not being shown. With tochter between Matthäus Reiner andVon Rappenheim, I think we are perhaps back to the Von Rappenheim just being the place where Reiner lived??? Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the help on finding the THOMA line in German telephone directory. Apparently I did not hold my mouth the right way, because the telephone directory did not like any thing that I did and REFUSED to divulge any info. <sigh> Not sure if y'all understand the holding the mouth the right way -- may just be a southern saying when you try something and it doesn't work. Anyway, you get the idea which is THANKS. Take care. Marilyn

I made a big blooper in typing the record from Anna Magdalena Walck's baptismal record. The Godmother was recorded as: "Anna Magdalena Jungfrau Matthäus Reiner tochter Von Rappenheim." I knew it was there, but the readers like Don Cook had no idea. I thought I'd best look at it again as I couldn't imagine a realtionship not being shown. With tochter between Matthäus Reiner andVon Rappenheim, I think we are perhaps back to the Von Rappenheim just being the place where Reiner lived??? Cary

I'm posting a deed between Jacob Holtzclaw and Harman and Catherine (Cuntze) Kemper in 1746 for the land that was left to Catherine by her father, Joseph Cuntze. In the deed you'll see the Kemper name spelled "Kemper" and "Kamper", sometimes in the same sentence: Prince William County Deed Book 1745-1746, Pg. 27-28: pp. On margin. "31st July 1746. Dd. JACOB HOLTZCLAW" 122- THIS INDENTURE made the twentieth and twenty first day of June in the Twenti- 126 th year of the reign of our sovereign Lord GEORGE the second and in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and forty six Between HARMON KAMPER and CATHERINE his Wife of the Parish of Hamilton and County of Prince William of one part and JACOB HOLTZCLAW of the Parish and County aforesaid of other part Witnesseth that said HARMON KAMPER and CATHERINE his Wife for the sum of Tenn pounds Current money to them paid hath granted unto the said JACOB HOLTZCLAW and to his heirs and assigns a parcel of land containing Forty acres being in the Parish and County aforesaid and on the East side of LICKING RUN being part of a Grand PATENT taken up by JOHN FISHBACK, JOHN HUFFMAN and the aforesaid JACOB HOLTZCLAW and by them conveyed by Deeds to JOSEPH COUNTS deced and by him given and bequeathed in his Last Will and Testament to CATHERINE KEMPER the wife of the aforesaid HARMON KAMPER first part to these presents the said land lying between the land of ELIZABETH RICTER now ELIZABETH MARR and the land of the aforesaid JACOB HOLTZCLAW belonging (all which premises are now in the actual possession of him the said JACOB HOLTZCLAW by virtue of Indenture for one whole year and by virtue of the statue for the transferring of uses into possession) To Have and To Hold the said parcel of land unto the said JACOB HOLTZCLAW his heirs and assigns forever. In Witness whereof the said HARMON KAMPER and CATHERINE his Wife have set their hand and Seals in presence of JAMES GENN, HARMON + KEMPER JACOB SPILMAN, JOHN HOLTZCLAW CATHERINE KEMPER At a Court held for the County of Prince William the 23d day of June 1746, HARMON KEMPER and CATHERINE his Wife (she being privately examined and thereunto consenting) acknowledged this Lease Release & Receipt to JACOB HOLTZCLAW to be their acts and deed which are admitted to record. In Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1714-1750 by BC Holtzclaw, sometimes the name is spelled Kemper, sometimes Camper. Some of the descendants of John and Elisabeth (Otterbach) kept their name as Kemper, but some spelled it Camper. Harman Kemper, the son of the Immigrants from above, had a son Peter Camper. Either way it's spelled, it's the same name, but interesting how the names change over time. Barb Price In a message dated 12/14/2008 16:52:12 Pacific Standard Time, jrcamper@earthlink.net writes: I apologize for the delay, I was working on something else and let your email slide. As to the use of the name John Camper I refer you to sites about Germanna, particularly the one below http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html Pages 1, 9, 13, 18, 45, 63, 67, 87, 100 all mention John Camper several concerning the use of headrights filed by the Germanna colonists. Hope this helps. Bob J. R. Camper > [Original Message] > From: <Hdanw@aol.com> > To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/26/2008 8:20:15 PM > Subject: [!! SPAM] [GERMANNA] John Kemper aka Camper > > This message appeared on this list. I do not respond to gatewayed > messages--there are too many hoops through which one must jump. But, here is a > partial reply. The sources mentioned may be of help. > > See below for my response. > > E.W.Wallace > > : > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:33:14 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] fellow descendantsof John Kemper and Alice > Katrina Utterback > To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1227666796.482610@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: misha412 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.germannaco lo > nies/185.1.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Please provide proof of your claim. > > We know of both Campers and Kempers in the descendency from the Germanna > colonists. However, the histories that I have read indicate he was known as John > Kemper after he settled. > > Are there primary source records that show he that he called himself John > Camper? > > [above unsigned] > > Response from and confession of E.W.Wallace > > I really do not do a great deal of research on the Kempers in Virginia > because I mostly work my way from *what I know* to the earliest days, rather than > from the earliest days to the linkage which I have with the Kemper family--my > paternal great-grandmother Amanda Jane Kemper, born in Texas ca 1845 but > whose father was born most probably in Garrard Co., KY. > > About spelling--always regard the fact that the person making the records > was generally the county clerk or the court clerk and not the principals > themselves!!! Kemper, like many a German name, was spelled at least three ways: > Kemper [modern spelling generally], Kamper and Camper. > > The difficulty I find is that the records list too MANY John Kempers!!! In > Garrard Co., KY, where I do a good deal of my searching, there were two known > John Kempers. No doubt they were related, but to what degree I know not. > One was the grandfather of my great-grandmother. He lived near the Dicks > River and his wife was Sarah Rosser. > > Another was probably a younger John Kemper who lived south of the elder John > Kemper, and his wife was Judith Burdett [also spelled Burditt]. {I have > written this from memory, and this may be in error) > > I suspect your best bet to study the early Kempers are 1) read the Kemper > family genealogy on HeritageQuest, which database is available through many > public libraries and some State libraries and 2) read the books of John K. Gott > and others who have compiled books of Fauquier Co., VA. Fauquier Co. was > formed 1759 from Prince William Co. Prince William Co. was formed in 1730 from > Stafford and King George Cos. King George Co. was formed from Richmond > County, and part of Westmoreland County was added later. My experience is that > the records of Prince William Co. and of Stafford Co. are missing. > > The name of the book on HeritageQuest and also a film at the Family History > Library in Salt Lake City is > > Kemper, Willis Miller > Genealogy of the Kemper family in the United States: descendants of John > Kemper of Virginia; with a short historical sketch of his family and of the > German Reformed colony at Germanna and Germantown, VA. > > If you live near an LDS family history center, you probably can order--for a > fee- the film of the Kemper genealogy from Salt Lake City. It is a hefty > book. Not all Kempers seem to be included, but it will give you a start. The > book is over 100 years old, so try to double check each family presented. > This may not be easy to do, as I am certain that the later generations > corresponded with Mr. Kemper--as I am certain my great-grandmother did. Even she, > who had never been out of the State of Texas, made an error in the birthplace > of her deceased husband!!! > > This book should be supplemented by some of the appropriate publications of > the Germanna Memorial Foundation. > > Genealogy is NOT easy!!! > > E.W.Wallace > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. 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Don Cook responded in regards to a posting by Cary Anderson; Dan Cook asked: In the baptismal record of Anna Magdalena WALCK, daughter of Peter WALCK and his wife Anna Magdalena, 8 January 1703 in Flinsbach, the godmother is "Anna Magdalena Jungfrau Matthäus Reiner Von Rappenheim" Is Anna Magdalena the wife or daughter of Matthäus Reiner? Cary's remarks: I first translated it as "Anna Magdalena the unmarried daughter of Matthäus Reiner of Rappenheim." This Matthäus is named for Matthew the evangelist. There is another Matthew. In German is Matthias who was one of the twelve apostles. I don't know if I was ever taught the difference. Dan, you said you have Matthaus Reiner's wife as Anna Barbara. In what church record [village] is this found? Cary When I looked at it yesterday, I note that it was Jung Frau. I also noticed that it was clearly "Von" not "von". "Jung Frau" and "Von" indicated in the records of Wagenbacher Hoff in the Huffenhardt church books, that it was an unmarried Lady, daughter of the "Von" nobleman of the village. I plan to review the records at Bad Rappenheim to see what I can find. The record at Flinsbach is difficult to read, but I think I got it right.