Ok, I promise that this is my last note on this theme....Certainly I did not mean to open up a religious discussion! One can absolutely believe the Biblical creation without discounting DNA. The DNA mutations happened AFTER the creation! Let's not get into an argument about HOW men and women got their DNA....all we need to discuss is what the DNA mutations mean to our research. Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:51 AM, KiwisKeeper@aol.com wrote: > Craig, > I do not believe in evolution. Seems to me that they have made up > their own > religion and it is not according to the Word of God and the Holy > scripture. > Someone said to me.. believe in your God and evolution too. WOW!! > I bought all of those books that the evolutionist recommend like the > Seven > daughter's of Eve. I threw it in the garbage with the rest of the > junk they > recommended. > There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that the Bible is the true > word of > God and he is who he says he is and created this world and all that > is in it > like he said he did. > God healed me when cancer was all over my liver and body and I was > given 3-6 > mo. to live.. it is too late for me to believe HOGWASH like > evolution. If > they only knew him like I do.. they wouldn't be hunting and looking > under > stones.. I have a relationship with God .. he is as, real to me as, > you are. > Mythology.. man's mind is so minute compared to God. > >

To move on a bit, currently I have two DNA "hits" that provide a basis for further research on two of my ancestral lines. Basically, one of the matches was expected although we cannot fill in all the details in getting back to the original ancestor but did match with others who descend from the same ancestor. The second hit was straight out of the blue and involves the Jackson family that was apparently associated with some of the Germanna colonists including my Michael Holt line. Both of these hits require further research but, as a minimum, each has the potential of removing brick walls. Robert Nicholson

As we all know, non-parent events have gone on since the beginning of time. My Morris line seems to be such a non-parent event back in the time of the Vikings. When I had my Morris line tested I arranged to have my uncle, my brother and both of their sons tested to be sure I had the right Y-Chromosome. One should always be sensitive to the possible results and the possible effect it could have. Corlee --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Suzanne Matson <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Suzanne Matson <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> > Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > To: "Germanna Colonies" <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:13 AM > How have various family groups dealt with the following > scenario which happened in my husband's family? > > Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were > related.  One came back as completely unrelated.  The > parents of the person tested are living.  He had grown up > in his family thinking of course that he was a biological > child of both parents.  Needless to say, this person is > devastated and the family is in real turmoil. > > I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking > how you would deal with this. > > As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter > the above situation at some point. > > Suzanne Collins Matson > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Yes, Robert, that is exactly why the DNA study is so helpful in our research: I would have hated to have spent more time looking at ancestors for my husband that DNA has now shown to NOT be his ancestors. The initial shock is quickly replaced by relief that one has not spent an entire lifetime looking for the wrong people. And on top of that the DNA stuff is really fun! Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:46 AM, ROBERT NICHOLSON wrote: > You just file the information away and move on. There is no point in > getting upset about it at this late date. > > My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be > something else so the results were not a shock. It seems that one > of my > direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the > surname > of his actual father. > > In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a > tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought > was her > ancestral line. When her father finally took the DNA test, it came > back > that they did not connect with their own surname line. That did > come as a > shock to her. > > So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. > > Robert Nicholson >

Craig, I do not believe in evolution. Seems to me that they have made up their own religion and it is not according to the Word of God and the Holy scripture. Someone said to me.. believe in your God and evolution too. WOW!! I bought all of those books that the evolutionist recommend like the Seven daughter's of Eve. I threw it in the garbage with the rest of the junk they recommended. There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that the Bible is the true word of God and he is who he says he is and created this world and all that is in it like he said he did. God healed me when cancer was all over my liver and body and I was given 3-6 mo. to live.. it is too late for me to believe HOGWASH like evolution. If they only knew him like I do.. they wouldn't be hunting and looking under stones.. I have a relationship with God .. he is as, real to me as, you are. Mythology.. man's mind is so minute compared to God. In a message dated 12/18/2008 8:19:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Marsha: You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on the origins of man. Craig Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. Fun stuff! Marsha Moses ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

The correct name of Brian Sykes' book on the mtDNA is The Seven Daughters of Eve....and while the author takes the liberty of using Historical Fiction methods to describe the seven women who are said to be the clan mothers of most of the European or American of European descent people, most of his book tells about his own very scientific studies on DNA. It is extremely readable and fun. Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:30 AM, John Hogg wrote: > Uh Oh > > .... > Marsha: > > You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all > of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No > small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into > comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And > yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a > shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at > Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of > Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous > acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of > "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler > did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. > > I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on > the origins of man. > > Craig > > > > And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my > mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of > my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the > mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up > through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if > you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of > the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. > > Fun stuff! Marsha Moses > > > -

Marsha: You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on the origins of man. Craig Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. Fun stuff! Marsha Moses

Maybe we need to leave religion, politics and the civil war out of this discussion group and all just agree to have their own personal [unpublished] opinion. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KiwisKeeper@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:51 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] The Seven Mothers of Man Craig, I do not believe in evolution. Seems to me that they have made up their own religion and it is not according to the Word of God and the Holy scripture. Someone said to me.. believe in your God and evolution too. WOW!! I bought all of those books that the evolutionist recommend like the Seven daughter's of Eve. I threw it in the garbage with the rest of the junk they recommended. There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that the Bible is the true word of God and he is who he says he is and created this world and all that is in it like he said he did. God healed me when cancer was all over my liver and body and I was given 3-6 mo. to live.. it is too late for me to believe HOGWASH like evolution. If they only knew him like I do.. they wouldn't be hunting and looking under stones.. I have a relationship with God .. he is as, real to me as, you are. Mythology.. man's mind is so minute compared to God. In a message dated 12/18/2008 8:19:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Marsha: You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on the origins of man. Craig Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. Fun stuff! Marsha Moses ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 025) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzanne, Obviously, if the individual was adopted, his adoptive parents should have told him when he was a small child. But they apparently didn't. While a brief period of being upset is understandable, then is no point in making a family shattering issue out of it. I have never had the experience of knowing perfect parents or perfect children. It is basically a live and let live world and the ability to accept some things as you find them is generally regarded as a sign of emotional maturity. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question If it were me or my husband, that is exactly what I would do. But it isn't about us and I feel that it is rather rude and insensitive to tell someone to just get over it. I do know he talked to his parents about the result. I don't know what they said. Since his brothers did match and he did not, this leaves some questions that he may want answered but the parents may not be willing to answer. I think this would be a huge shock if there were no hint or "family lore" out there lurking. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: ROBERT NICHOLSON <robertnicholson1@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:46:29 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question You just file the information away and move on. There is no point in getting upset about it at this late date. My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be something else so the results were not a shock. It seems that one of my direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the surname of his actual father. In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought was her ancestral line. When her father finally took the DNA test, it came back that they did not connect with their own surname line. That did come as a shock to her. So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which happened in my husband's family? Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family is in real turmoil. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Uh Oh -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:20 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] The Seven Mothers of Man Marsha: You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on the origins of man. Craig Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. Fun stuff! Marsha Moses ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is no problem with the maternal line.  He was not adopted.  He has a different father and the parents were married before he was born.  He happens to be the middle child.  I was merely pointing out there can be consequences that people are not expecting or even aware of when they agree to a DNA test.  Perhaps telling them up front that they may discover that their parents are not their parents would be good. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: ROBERT NICHOLSON <robertnicholson1@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:58:38 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question Suzanne, Obviously, if the individual was adopted, his adoptive parents should have told him when he was a small child.  But they apparently didn't.  While a brief period of being upset is understandable, then is no point in making a family shattering issue out of it..  I have never had the experience of knowing perfect parents or perfect children.  It is basically a live and let live world and the ability to accept some things as you find them is generally regarded as a sign of emotional maturity. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question If it were me or my husband, that is exactly what I would do. But it isn't about us and I feel that it is rather rude and insensitive to tell someone to just get over it. I do know he talked to his parents about the result. I don't know what they said. Since his brothers did match and he did not, this leaves some questions that he may want answered but the parents may not be willing to answer. I think this would be a huge shock if there were no hint or "family lore" out there lurking. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: ROBERT NICHOLSON <robertnicholson1@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:46:29 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question You just file the information away and move on. There is no point in getting upset about it at this late date. My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be something else so the results were not a shock. It seems that one of my direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the surname of his actual father. In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought was her ancestral line. When her father finally took the DNA test, it came back that they did not connect with their own surname line. That did come as a shock to her. So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which happened in my husband's family? Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came back as completely unrelated.. The parents of the person tested are living. He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family is in real turmoil. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. Fun stuff! Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:40 AM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: > Linda, I have been studying up on DNA since it got popular for > genealogy and still have much to learn. However I THINK I can answer > your question. Just as the Y DNA is passed through the male line -- > the MtDNA is passed through the female line. So if you take yourself > and keep following ONLY the female line back to the earliest female > ancestor that you know of -- that is who your results would be > representing (actually that person's mother, grandmother etc.). SO > any direct FEMALE descendant of Anna Barbara who is tested would be > a match. Remember any marriages of sons that intervene in the line > negate the direct female line. I was out of her gene pool when > daughter Anna Maria married Johannes Thomas. Take care. Marilyn > > > Therefore, I ask the question: How can you possibly have the > mitochondrial > information for all female descendants of Anna Barbara Schone? I > know of > nine generations (at least), in my family tree, who are descended > from her, > but could not have the same mitochondrial DNA, if it is only good to > prove > one generation. Would you be so kind as to explain this to me? >

You just file the information away and move on. There is no point in getting upset about it at this late date. My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be something else so the results were not a shock. It seems that one of my direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the surname of his actual father. In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought was her ancestral line. When her father finally took the DNA test, it came back that they did not connect with their own surname line. That did come as a shock to her. So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> To: "Germanna Colonies" <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which happened in my husband's family? Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family is in real turmoil. I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking how you would deal with this. As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter the above situation at some point. Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, I have been studying up on DNA since it got popular for genealogy and still have much to learn. However I THINK I can answer your question. Just as the Y DNA is passed through the male line -- the MtDNA is passed through the female line. So if you take yourself and keep following ONLY the female line back to the earliest female ancestor that you know of -- that is who your results would be representing (actually that person's mother, grandmother etc.). SO any direct FEMALE descendant of Anna Barbara who is tested would be a match. Remember any marriages of sons that intervene in the line negate the direct female line. I was out of her gene pool when daughter Anna Maria married Johannes Thomas. Take care. Marilyn Therefore, I ask the question: How can you possibly have the mitochondrial information for all female descendants of Anna Barbara Schone? I know of nine generations (at least), in my family tree, who are descended from her, but could not have the same mitochondrial DNA, if it is only good to prove one generation. Would you be so kind as to explain this to me? -----Original Message----- From: Linda Johnston <ljohnston@ispmgt.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; cmorris575@att.net Sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 3:17 am Subject: [GERMANNA] No Yager/Yeager DNA Study in the works Corlee: I descend from Anna Barbara Schone, through her husband, Cyriacus FLESHMAN. I must admit, I don't know a whole lot about DNA, but thought that the mitochondrial information, that is passed from a mother to her children, was only good to test to prove that generation ONLY, as it changes with succeeding females. I've been following the Kincaid DNA project (just to learn more about DNA), as they have some very intelligent people on their list, and explain DNA in great detail. Therefore, I ask the question: How can you possibly have the mitochondrial information for all female descendants of Anna Barbara Schone? I know of nine generations (at least), in my family tree, who are descended from her, but could not have the same mitochondrial DNA, if it is only good to prove one generation. Would you be so kind as to explain this to me? Thanks, Linda Johnston Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:07:44 -0800 (PST) > From: Corlee Morris <cmorris575@att.net> > Subject: [GERMANNA] No Yager/Yeager DNA Study in the works > To: Germanna List <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <793572.96537.qm@web80004.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Sorry to disappoint, but I am looking for a Yeager male to capture the > Y-Chromosome before the line dies out. There were no more Yeagers in my > line to test. I have a double cousin who has a Yeager Uncle that is going > to be tested (soon I hope). I am trying to capture all of my DNA lines > while links still exist. Once the Genealogy DNA sample has been taken, > future test can be performed as the need arises. All Germanna descendants > do not need to be test to build a DNA tree. I have the Mitochondrial > information for all female descendants from Anna Barbara Schone > Blankenbaker Born: 29 Sep 1664 Neuenburg, Baden, Germany?and all of the > descendants from her 3 daughters. > > At one time I proposed a Germanna DNA Project but I was told that Germanna > could not take on that type of task. So I dropped it. But it would be an > interesting study. Since our genealogies are well documented it would be > great to see what changes took place since 1717. > > Corlee Morris > Germanna Yeagers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it were me or my husband, that is exactly what I would do.  But it isn't about us and I feel that it is rather rude and insensitive to tell someone to just get over it.  I do know he talked to his parents about the result.  I don't know what they said.  Since his brothers did match and he did not, this leaves some questions that he may want answered but the parents may not be willing to answer.  I think this would be a huge shock if there were no hint or "family lore" out there lurking.  Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: ROBERT NICHOLSON <robertnicholson1@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:46:29 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question You just file the information away and move on.  There is no point in getting upset about it at this late date. My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be something else so the results were not a shock.  It seems that one of my direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the surname of his actual father. In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought was her ancestral line.  When her father finally took the DNA test, it came back that they did not connect with their own surname line.  That did come as a shock to her. So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which happened in my husband's family? Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family is in real turmoil.

Winnie, go to the Wilhite surname DNA project at the web address below. Click on the link that takes you to the Patriarchs page - to see some related pedigrees. Also click on the y-Results link to see the DNA comparisons. Mr Wallace on that page has Owen County roots. You will note how comparable his 67 markers are with mine (W-1). Even though the last I heard he has identified a likely ancestor He wants to be sure. http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/wilhite/> From: winnie.miller@att.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:06:34 -0500> Subject: [GERMANNA] Lancaster DNA> > Couldn't resist getting into the fray. Gowen Lancaster came to VA July 4, 1635 and we are gathering DNA. This year my half-brother David Lancaster took the test and we do belong.> Now if I could find a Wilhite in Owen County that was related to John Wilhite and Lucy Stapp or Tobias Wilhite and Nancy Margaret Ellis or Reynolds Willhoite and Lucy Towles and had that last name we would be on our way. > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Couldn't resist getting into the fray. Gowen Lancaster came to VA July 4, 1635 and we are gathering DNA. This year my half-brother David Lancaster took the test and we do belong. Now if I could find a Wilhite in Owen County that was related to John Wilhite and Lucy Stapp or Tobias Wilhite and Nancy Margaret Ellis or Reynolds Willhoite and Lucy Towles and had that last name we would be on our way.

For Marilyn; There is an obituary for Barbara Thoma in today's Star. Her husband was Earl Thoma. They had sons: David of Ventura and Steven of Reno, NV. This was a surprise as there is only one Thoma in the telephone book. Anita Schmidt

Corlee: I descend from Anna Barbara Schone, through her husband, Cyriacus FLESHMAN. I must admit, I don't know a whole lot about DNA, but thought that the mitochondrial information, that is passed from a mother to her children, was only good to test to prove that generation ONLY, as it changes with succeeding females. I've been following the Kincaid DNA project (just to learn more about DNA), as they have some very intelligent people on their list, and explain DNA in great detail. Therefore, I ask the question: How can you possibly have the mitochondrial information for all female descendants of Anna Barbara Schone? I know of nine generations (at least), in my family tree, who are descended from her, but could not have the same mitochondrial DNA, if it is only good to prove one generation. Would you be so kind as to explain this to me? Thanks, Linda Johnston Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:07:44 -0800 (PST) > From: Corlee Morris <cmorris575@att.net> > Subject: [GERMANNA] No Yager/Yeager DNA Study in the works > To: Germanna List <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <793572.96537.qm@web80004.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Sorry to disappoint, but I am looking for a Yeager male to capture the > Y-Chromosome before the line dies out. There were no more Yeagers in my > line to test. I have a double cousin who has a Yeager Uncle that is going > to be tested (soon I hope). I am trying to capture all of my DNA lines > while links still exist. Once the Genealogy DNA sample has been taken, > future test can be performed as the need arises. All Germanna descendants > do not need to be test to build a DNA tree. I have the Mitochondrial > information for all female descendants from Anna Barbara Schone > Blankenbaker Born: 29 Sep 1664 Neuenburg, Baden, Germany?and all of the > descendants from her 3 daughters. > > At one time I proposed a Germanna DNA Project but I was told that Germanna > could not take on that type of task. So I dropped it. But it would be an > interesting study. Since our genealogies are well documented it would be > great to see what changes took place since 1717. > > Corlee Morris > Germanna Yeagers

How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which happened in my husband's family? Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related.  One came back as completely unrelated.  The parents of the person tested are living.  He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child of both parents.  Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family is in real turmoil. I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking how you would deal with this. As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter the above situation at some point. Suzanne Collins Matson