Suzane now you say more that other siblilngs matched he did not so he was adopted or raised by them because of a need from someone else. OR did MOM's Mtdna match all children and he just did not match the ? father. See it can get complicated if not all facts are known but same applies. it will not change who you are or have become. God has His reasons. Obviously now is the time for this person to learn that he was chosen to be raised by them. Unless as otherwise stated the mtdna does match. Still nothing can be done about it except them for what they have done for you and slowly put self together and move forward. But he can have his DNA checked against all othe YDNA names and see whom he does belong to. :>) Susi ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

WEll stated for moving forward. Susi Merry Christmas all ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

---- John Hogg wrote: > Maybe we need to leave religion, politics and the civil war out of this > discussion group and all just agree to have their own personal [unpublished] > opinion. Not maybe, but is a must to keep the site a functioning site and true to its intentions. Please think of the real purpose of this site. There were some guidelines established by rootsweb in the beginning. Fighting over religion, politics, or any other personal beliefs that might lead to a civil war of words were expected to be left out.

First you have them check to make sure not mixed up with someone elses tests. Then if you do not match I would think one would keep thy mouth shut if the people are alive. Only if there is a serious medical situation would I reveal something as greivous as this to any envovled. If the person did this test and learned not of whom they thought it would be up to that person to make decision to relate it or to just say I do not match the lineage I was expecting too. It may not have been parents it could have been grandparents ie ggrandparents??? I guess that is why I am happy with using Mtdna for some of my research backup. Blessings and Seasons Best Wishes. Susi ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Actually Dick Yager/Yeager probably rode with Frank and Jesse James and did for certain ride with Cole Younger... The all rode together in the same ~Civil War~ unit. One cannot go into this half-hearted or with the propaganda proposed by the victors of war! The all rode for the south with and for Quantrill. ...and we all know what the Yanks had to say about him! Question is, was it true? If you want the Truth, where will you find it? How will you know that it is the Truth? Fact: Frank and Jesse James and Cole Younger failed to surrender at War's end. If you want the Truth of the matter, I suggest some heavy research!!! ~Don Johnson (kin of Dick Yager and others!) You might be surprised who you (all) are kin to! <g> -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of carolbradb@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:41 PM To: lilfilly1957@yahoo.com; germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DICK YEAGER I don't know, but if he rode with the James boys you might try the St. Joseph, MO newspapers. Good luck! Carol -----Original Message----- From: shelby allen <lilfilly1957@yahoo.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:38 pm Subject: [GERMANNA] DICK YEAGER ?does anyone? have info in dick yeager- may 1863? missoui or kansas he went on raids with frank & jessie james? and the cole brothers. who was he??? who were his parents ??? when and where was he born ?? and if he was married? ,?? what was his wife's name ??? also did he have any children..?? any info? would be helpful....thanks?? shelby

Here! Here! An excellent suggestion. Leave the emotional baggage at the door, thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hogg" <john.hogg@sbcglobal.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] The Seven Mothers of Man > Maybe we need to leave religion, politics and the civil war out of this > discussion group and all just agree to have their own personal > [unpublished] > opinion. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > KiwisKeeper@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:51 AM > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] The Seven Mothers of Man > > Craig, > I do not believe in evolution. Seems to me that they have made up their > own > > religion and it is not according to the Word of God and the Holy > scripture. > > Someone said to me.. believe in your God and evolution too. WOW!! > I bought all of those books that the evolutionist recommend like the Seven > daughter's of Eve. I threw it in the garbage with the rest of the junk > they > > recommended. > There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that the Bible is the true word of > God and he is who he says he is and created this world and all that is in > it > > like he said he did. > God healed me when cancer was all over my liver and body and I was given > 3-6 > mo. to live.. it is too late for me to believe HOGWASH like evolution. If > they only knew him like I do.. they wouldn't be hunting and looking under > stones.. I have a relationship with God .. he is as, real to me as, you > are. > > Mythology.. man's mind is so minute compared to God. > > > In a message dated 12/18/2008 8:19:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > persisto@earthlink.net writes: > > Marsha: > > You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all > of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No > small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into > comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And > yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a > shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at > Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of > Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous > acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of > "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler > did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. > > I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on > the origins of man. > > Craig > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 > From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > > > And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my > mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of > my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the > mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up > through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if > you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of > the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. > > Fun stuff! Marsha Moses > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1855 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 10:16 AM

I don't know, but if he rode with the James boys you might try the St. Joseph, MO newspapers. Good luck! Carol -----Original Message----- From: shelby allen <lilfilly1957@yahoo.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:38 pm Subject: [GERMANNA] DICK YEAGER ?does anyone? have info in dick yeager- may 1863? missoui or kansas he went on raids with frank & jessie james? and the cole brothers. who was he??? who were his parents ??? when and where was he born ?? and if he was married? ,?? what was his wife's name ??? also did he have any children..?? any info? would be helpful....thanks?? shelby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With respect to George Lang/Long: I believe he is to be found in the Sulzfeld Ortssippenbuch. I understand a copy is in the Germanna Foundation Library. It would be nice if someone who has access to the library would verify the book's existence and whether it does contain information on George Lang. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net

Did Eve Wilhite(sic) marry a Holt and move to NC?

Eve married Nicholas Holt. She was the daughter of Michael Willheit and he was the son of Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). Michael Holt arrived with the 1717 group and Michael Willheit arrived within two or three years. John Holt, a son of Eve and Nicholas Holt, married a Frances Jackson, apparently in Orange County, NC. In the reconstructed 1790 census for Orange County, NC, a Colby Jackson is living next-door to these Holts. A descendant of Colby Jackson and a descendant of Churchwell Jackson, Sr., were matched by DNA tests. Churchwell Jackson was reportedly born in 1758 in Orange County, VA which, I think, included present day Madison County, VA. Determining the ancestry of Frances Jackson Holt and Colby Jackson, as well as Churchwell Jackson, Sr., is the problem. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Winifred K Miller" <winnie.miller@att.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Holt Family and a Wilhite? > Did Eve Wilhite(sic) marry a Holt and move to NC? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think in some situations that we don't need to tell our family all we find when it may be something that is too much for them. After all, there was a time when there were no surnames. Why make a big deal out of our finds because we don't know if they are absolutely true until we do them in another lab. Machines are off many times and some people just mark what they want to mark regarding the test. I do genealogy for myself and I don't want to share with any of my relatives anything that would hurt them. In a message dated 12/18/2008 10:06:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, carrol@allthroughtheages.com writes: Well I just watched something on tv about the dna of a mother not matching her children. She was their biological mother but the tests kept coming up that they were not her children. There is a term for it but I cannot think of it right now. Her children were taken away from her until it could be proven that they were her children. Sometimes this could happen. Also when my relatives learned from me that their father and grandfather was adopted I received about half good responses and half horrible responses. to this day I have half of my cousins saying that I am wrong and won't believe that my grandfather on my father's side was adopted. They would not speak to me for years. I have the original adoption papers that not even the court has, I have proven it, but they still say no. I have met the grandchildren of my grandfather's sister and there are similarities and such. One must take it one second and step at a time. Some will be completely upset and others accepting. I grew up in a variety of households never really knowing who my real family was, but my real family are all of those blood related and not and those that raised me and those that never knew me. My older half brother absolutely is in denial about his birth father after 40 years of searching because he doesn't want to believe. He is mad at me for finding this out and won't speak to me about it. I figure the man that he wants to be his biological father that was never around is not his father and the father that is biological that was never around is not his father but my father who raised him was his father. And all of the relatives that want to get to know him are his relatives and those that don't want to be bothered are not family. but he doesn't see it that way. that is all I have to offer I hope it helps. Carrol Mick On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Suzanne Matson < holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> wrote: > How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which > happened in my husband's family? > > Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came > back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. > He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological > child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the > family is in real turmoil. > > I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking how you would deal > with this. > > As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter the above > situation at some point. > > Suzanne Collins Matson > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Carrol Mick Mick Worms, LLC www.mickworms.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

This post was much too hateful and off topic to have ever been posted. Shame. J. On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Marsha: > > You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all > of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No > small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into > comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And > yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a > shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at > Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of > Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous > acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of > "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler > did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. > > I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on > the origins of man. > > Craig > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 > From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > > > And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my > mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of > my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the > mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up > through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if > you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of > the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. > > Fun stuff! Marsha Moses > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Craig, for the update on the Kilby DNA project. Let me encourage other families to do the same. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net

I would sure like to get a sample of Chuck Yeager's DNA. He could well be a Germanna Descendant. When my father read his autobiography he thought that he was possibbly related. Corlee Ann Morris --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Rock Racer <rracer@embarqmail.com> wrote: > From: Rock Racer <rracer@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Calling all Males with the last name of Yager or Yeager > To: cmorris575@att.net, germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:53 AM > There is a Mark Yeager in the Elkton, Virginal telephone > directory: (540) > 298-2960. Also, Malcon E. Yager plus a half-dozen others > in the Page > County, Virginia directory: (540) 778-5388. In addition, > have you > considered General Chuck Yeager (Ret.), arguably one of > West Virginia's most > famous citizens??? > > Good luck, > > E. L. "Rock" Racer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corlee Morris" <cmorris575@att.net> > To: "Germanna List" > <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:18 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Calling all Males with the last name of > Yager or Yeager > > > >I have to believe that with the number of possible > descendants of Adam > >Yager (1707-1793) that there would exist at least one > living male > >descendant. If any one knows of a man alive today with > the last name Yager > >or Yeager even if his ancestry is unknown, please let > me know. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Corlee Ann Morris > > great great grand daughter of Adam Yager > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

What is important is who one's social parent is. My grandfather growing up was not my biological maternal grandfather and I always knew it, but I loved him as if he was. He was "the grandfather" my grandmother was married to all of my life and for over 50 years of my grandmother's life. I knew who my maternal grandfather was and he was a yearly visitor, but I spend Christmas, Easter and Summer vacations with my step-grandfather and my grandmother. Corlee Ann Morris

Well I just watched something on tv about the dna of a mother not matching her children. She was their biological mother but the tests kept coming up that they were not her children. There is a term for it but I cannot think of it right now. Her children were taken away from her until it could be proven that they were her children. Sometimes this could happen. Also when my relatives learned from me that their father and grandfather was adopted I received about half good responses and half horrible responses. to this day I have half of my cousins saying that I am wrong and won't believe that my grandfather on my father's side was adopted. They would not speak to me for years. I have the original adoption papers that not even the court has, I have proven it, but they still say no. I have met the grandchildren of my grandfather's sister and there are similarities and such. One must take it one second and step at a time. Some will be completely upset and others accepting. I grew up in a variety of households never really knowing who my real family was, but my real family are all of those blood related and not and those that raised me and those that never knew me. My older half brother absolutely is in denial about his birth father after 40 years of searching because he doesn't want to believe. He is mad at me for finding this out and won't speak to me about it. I figure the man that he wants to be his biological father that was never around is not his father and the father that is biological that was never around is not his father but my father who raised him was his father. And all of the relatives that want to get to know him are his relatives and those that don't want to be bothered are not family. but he doesn't see it that way. that is all I have to offer I hope it helps. Carrol Mick On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Suzanne Matson < holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> wrote: > How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which > happened in my husband's family? > > Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came > back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. > He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological > child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the > family is in real turmoil. > > I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking how you would deal > with this. > > As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter the above > situation at some point. > > Suzanne Collins Matson > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Carrol Mick Mick Worms, LLC www.mickworms.com

I have been following the talk about DNA and have a comment to add. I am always happen to research for friends at no cost to them except for any cost I might have. Recently I re-united with a friend that lived near me as a child. I knew she had a step-mother and that was all. Almost immediately I found her paternal grandfather to be Negro. He died before her birth and no one ever told her. I think she had an idea and that is why she asked me to trace her family. I told her by saying it was confidential information and I certainly would not share it with anyone, She was not upset with the information and I assured her although it was rather startling it surely made no difference to me either. Barbara Rector Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >I think in some situations that we don't need to tell our family all we >find > when it may be something that is too much for them. After all, there was a > time when there were no surnames. Why make a big deal out of our finds > because > we don't know if they are absolutely true until we do them in another lab. > Machines are off many times and some people just mark what they want to > mark > regarding the test. > I do genealogy for myself and I don't want to share with any of my > relatives > anything that would hurt them. > > > In a message dated 12/18/2008 10:06:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > carrol@allthroughtheages.com writes: > > Well I just watched something on tv about the dna of a mother not > matching > her children. She was their biological mother but the tests kept coming > up > that they were not her children. There is a term for it but I cannot > think > of it right now. Her children were taken away from her until it could be > proven that they were her children. Sometimes this could happen. > Also when my relatives learned from me that their father and grandfather > was > adopted I received about half good responses and half horrible responses. > to this day I have half of my cousins saying that I am wrong and won't > believe that my grandfather on my father's side was adopted. They would > not > speak to me for years. I have the original adoption papers that not even > the court has, I have proven it, but they still say no. I have met the > grandchildren of my grandfather's sister and there are similarities and > such. One must take it one second and step at a time. Some will be > completely upset and others accepting. I grew up in a variety of > households > never really knowing who my real family was, but my real family are all > of > those blood related and not and those that raised me and those that never > knew me. > My older half brother absolutely is in denial about his birth father > after > 40 years of searching because he doesn't want to believe. He is mad at > me > for finding this out and won't speak to me about it. I figure the man > that > he wants to be his biological father that was never around is not his > father > and the father that is biological that was never around is not his father > but my father who raised him was his father. And all of the relatives > that > want to get to know him are his relatives and those that don't want to be > bothered are not family. but he doesn't see it that way. > that is all I have to offer I hope it helps. > > Carrol Mick > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Suzanne Matson < > holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which >> happened in my husband's family? >> >> Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came >> back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are >> living. >> He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a >> biological >> child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and >> the >> family is in real turmoil. >> >> I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking how you would deal >> with this. >> >> As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter the above >> situation at some point. >> >> Suzanne Collins Matson >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Carrol Mick > Mick Worms, LLC > www.mickworms.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. 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Craig, Excuse me but this in one of the most inappropriate e-mails I have ever seen on this list, not only because I AM CATHOLIC, but because you do not understand history and have only read protestant authors. The Holy Catholic Church has done more good to help the poor etc than any other group ever, between hospitals, orphanages and schools for the poorest, etc. This is a list about about our Germanna ancestors and if this is what you all will revert too, I will drop off this list and out of this group. Marsha did not say anything about religion not open Pandora's box, you did that. Gail Adams p.s. MERRY CHRISTMAS. In a message dated 12/18/2008 11:19:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Marsha: You have really opened up Pandora's box here. It strikes me that all of us so involved in genealogy are really seeking their origins, No small feat. This thread opens the door to an endless search into comparative mythology, which is a admirable and daunting ask. And yes, the "Holy Bible" falls into the category of mythology. It was a shame on the Holy Catholic Church when the burned the library at Alexandria and a further shame when the they came up the Council of Nicea and obliterated at least thalf of the gospels. The murderous acts of the Holy Catholic Church over the centuries in the name of "GOD" are too numerous to mention. It is absolutely sickening. Hitler did not invent the Holocaust. He merely perfected it. I for one would be most interested in yours and others thoughts on the origins of man. Craig Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:49:35 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] MtDNA To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com And another way to explain it is that ALL of my children have my mtDNA. And all of my female grandchildren have my mtDNA. But all of my male grandchildren have the mtDNA of their own mother who has the mtDNA of her mother who has the mtDNA of her mother....and so on up through the generations. I had my own mtDNA tested this summer and if you use Brian Sykes' Seven Daughters of Eve book's generalizations of the clan mothers, I descend from Helena. Fun stuff! Marsha Moses ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Marsha, That is why I have done so much DNA is I realize that the study of our genes has nothing to do with evolution. In a message dated 12/18/2008 9:01:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mos esm@earthlink.net writes: Ok, I promise that this is my last note on this theme....Certainly I did not mean to open up a religious discussion! One can absolutely believe the Biblical creation without discounting DNA. The DNA mutations happened AFTER the creation! Let's not get into an argument about HOW men and women got their DNA....all we need to discuss is what the DNA mutations mean to our research. Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:51 AM, KiwisKeeper@aol.com wrote: > Craig, > I do not believe in evolution. Seems to me that they have made up > their own > religion and it is not according to the Word of God and the Holy > scripture. > Someone said to me.. believe in your God and evolution too. WOW!! > I bought all of those books that the evolutionist recommend like the > Seven > daughter's of Eve. I threw it in the garbage with the rest of the > junk they > recommended. > There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that the Bible is the true > word of > God and he is who he says he is and created this world and all that > is in it > like he said he did. > God healed me when cancer was all over my liver and body and I was > given 3-6 > mo. to live.. it is too late for me to believe HOGWASH like > evolution. If > they only knew him like I do.. they wouldn't be hunting and looking > under > stones.. I have a relationship with God .. he is as, real to me as, > you are. > Mythology.. man's mind is so minute compared to God. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Suzanne, The thing that disturb's me about all of this is that people are taking what these labs says as absolutely true. Labs have made mistakes as, long as, I can remember and serious ones. I am a nurse and have seen this for years. I have seen many mistakes on the DNA's to prove who the parent's are. When a person knew they were not the father they would repeat the test and it would come back the second time that they were not the father. Those test were done by trained lab people. The ones doing our DNA are college students.. Recently, I heard that there was numerous mistakes on the DNA's done for genealogy. I think it is strange that they have not gone back any further than my paper work in all I have had done. I have done three surnames and my mtdna and dna prints and all the other things they wanted to do on the Y dna's. I hope no one throw's tomatoes at me because I have my opinion about this. I have found some get hostile about disagreeing with them. My advise is to re run any test that you have questions about and use a different lab. In a message dated 12/18/2008 6:13:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which happened in my husband's family? Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came back as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. He had grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child of both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family is in real turmoil. I am not saying don't do DNA studies but I am asking how you would deal with this. As we work on our various Germanna lines, we may encounter the above situation at some point. Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)