Hi Marsha, I have uploaded my tree to the site... is that what u mean? Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <mosesm@earthlink.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > Sally, have you uploaded the results to ySearch yet? marsha Moses > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:38 PM, "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back >> to Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have >> reached a dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, >> daughter of Asa Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I >> descend from Adam Yager) >> My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname >> that has showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 >> marker results. I was told that no one from my dna line has >> possibly tested yet. I was wondering can your dna be messed up in >> any way? >> Thankyou for any assistance... >> >> Sally Standley >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sally, have you uploaded the results to ySearch yet? marsha Moses Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:38 PM, "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back > to Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have > reached a dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, > daughter of Asa Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I > descend from Adam Yager) > My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname > that has showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 > marker results. I was told that no one from my dna line has > possibly tested yet. I was wondering can your dna be messed up in > any way? > Thankyou for any assistance... > > Sally Standley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

DNA does not replace good old fashion genealogy research. A DNA test is more likely to tell you who you are not related to. Never order more than the 12 Marker Y-chromosome test. If you do not match any one with that test, having more markers test will not find a match. In my Morris Surname DNA Project people increase the number of markers only when they do match someone with the 12 Marker test and they want to narrow the link down. I have 99 Morris men in the Morris Project and we have 59 unique Y-haplotypes. These are all family that believe they were in Americas before 1776. The y-chromosome does not change rapidly enough for any of these men to really be related when their 12 Marker shows no relationship. About 54 of these men had no match. The haplotypes with the most matches have someone who is out scouting for likely candidates to be tested. When members choose the 25-marker test the match ratio fell from 45:99 to 24:76. Some of these men then had the 37 marker performed and the number of matches fell to 14:62. The most markers Family Tree DNA does are 67 markers and 22 men elected that test with only two matches (2:22). Corlee Ann Morris Germanna Descendant and Morris Surname Project Administrator

Robert, Wilhite Station was named for my Gr. grandfather. Frances Robert, You are right on target. I was born at Wilhite Station , Al. Charles Holt fought in the Revolutionary war and as, best as, I remember was an officer. I have not connected him on my grandmother's side of the family who was a **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Robert, You are right on target. I was born at Wilhite Station , Al. Charles Holt fought in the Revolutionary war and as, best as, I remember was an officer. I have not connected him on my grandmother's side of the family who was a Wilhite but on my grandfather's side who was Drake's. Grandpa Drake's grandmother was Elizabeth Holt who married Abraham Grimmett. I loaned all of my information to my brother Tom Drake this past summer. He is former Speaker of the House and a retired attorney here in Alabama. He is writting a book about his life. I thought it would be helpful if he needed names of family. We had cousins who visited this summer from Mississippi who are Wilhites and wanted to gather information about their family. They grew up in Mobile, Al where their father owned produce companies and sent produce all over Alabama and other places too. He was a nephew of my grandmother Laura Wilhite Drake. He was her brother's only child. He graduated from law school at the university of Alabama and had wanted to be a doctor but his father wouldn't agree on that. He ended up never practising law. My brother stayed in contact for years. We are in Wilhite country here. Our forefather's were from Germanna. Frances In a message dated 12/19/2008 11:04:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: Frances, To the best of my memory, there are no Holts named "Charles" in at least the first two or three generations of the descendants of Germanna's Michael Holt. Michael Holt and all of his known descendants had moved to Orange County, NC by about 1765 (or at least prior to the Revolutionary War). Michael Holt's son Nicholas married Eva Willheit (or Wilhite, if you prefer) who was a daughter of Michael Willheit (German immigrant) around 1740 while living in the Madison County, VA area. They are my direct ancestors. Other Willheit descendants also moved to Orange County, NC in this time frame. And still other Willheit's moved to what became known as Wilhite's Station near Cullman, AL. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > Robert, > My Charles Holt is German and his family settled in Cullman, Al where the > German's who came here from Germanna settled. Why do you think it is > unlikely > that he is connected to the Germanna Holt's. > When I get my information together I will send what I have. I am busy > getting ready for Christmas now. > My grandmother Laura Wilhite Drake is on my father's side of my family. > She > married my grandfather George Whit Drake. On my grandfather's side of the > family is the Holt connection. My grandfather's gr. grandmother was > Elizabeth > Holt. She married Abraham Grimmett and he was German too but not from > Germanna. > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:27:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: > > It is highly unlikely that your Charles Holt is a descendant of Michael > Holt, which is a German line. Charles Holt is probably related to the > English Holts. > > Robert Nicholson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, > Wilhite Station was named for my Gr. grandfather. Frances > > Robert, > You are right on target. I was born at Wilhite Station , Al. Charles > Holt > fought in the Revolutionary war and as, best as, I remember was an > officer. > I > have not connected him on my grandmother's side of the family who was a > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that has showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? Thankyou for any assistance... Sally Standley

This is a quote I was sent several years ago and was in my file. Michael Wilhide patented 280 acres on Sept. 28, 1728. He is mentioned in the accounts in 1733. He proved his importation in 1735. Michael Willheit made his will Jan. 1, 1742-3, probated June 25, 1746. Mentions wife, Mary, sons Tobias, John, Adam, Matthais, and Philip(youngest); and daughter Eve now married to Nicholas Holt. He divides his tract of 289 acres between his sons Matthais and Philip. Friend Michael Holt and eldest son Tobias Willheit are appointed executors. Witnesses are: Balthasa Blankenbaker, John Sneider, and Michael Holt. There definitely is a connection here with Holt and Wilhite(sic). Mary Wilhoit c 1743 married Ziriakus(Crprus) Broyles, b 1732, son of Jacob and Mary Catherine Fleishman Broyles. Cyprus and Mary emigrated to Washington Co, TN(then NC) about 1782. Mary died about 1795 and Cyrus married a Jennie?. All children are by his first wife Mary Wilhoit Broyles. So this makes Wilhite with Broyles.... Tennessee, North Carolina and Virginia were some times mixed up in settlers not knowing exactly where they were or thought they were. Another quote: Conrad Wilhite and his family settled in Washington Co., in the Allegheny Mountains with the Watauga River on the northeast side and the Nolichucky River on the southern part of the county. Many others settled in this territory about the same time, among them Conrad's sister Mary and her husband Cyrus Broyles and their family. As I come from several Wilhite Lines and they married each other besides a Mary Wilhite marrying Joel Wilhoite, son of Tobias and Catherine Walke(?), I keep the question by Catherine's name. If you mention Wilhite by yodeling in Owen County, KY the sounds of the name go on forever up and down the hills and over the creeks.

Robert, My Charles Holt is German and his family settled in Cullman, Al where the German's who came here from Germanna settled. Why do you think it is unlikely that he is connected to the Germanna Holt's. When I get my information together I will send what I have. I am busy getting ready for Christmas now. My grandmother Laura Wilhite Drake is on my father's side of my family. She married my grandfather George Whit Drake. On my grandfather's side of the family is the Holt connection. My grandfather's gr. grandmother was Elizabeth Holt. She married Abraham Grimmett and he was German too but not from Germanna. In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:27:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: It is highly unlikely that your Charles Holt is a descendant of Michael Holt, which is a German line. Charles Holt is probably related to the English Holts. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >I agree, I read all the post everyday and I don't comment unless there is > something about my family. > My surnames are Wilhite, Fleishman, Broyles, Yeager and Holt. > I am not sure if my Holt's are the same as those here. Charles Holt is one > of the older ones. > I am not an english teacher and my grammar is bad. I am a nurse and spent > my > years with the sick. > We can all find faults with other's but let's just looks at our own > fault's > and leave those of us alone who doesn't care a thing about going back to > school in our senior years.LOL > Marilyn, I know you post often. I enjoy reading what you have to say as, > I > do all of the other contributor's. > Frances ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

In case someone thinks I incorrectly used "smarted" for smarting on purpose, I will tell you it was just one of those things that comes about when your fingers move faster than your brain! Cary

Dear Mr. Camper: Would you please look at your message copied below? In haste to chastise, we often commit more mistakes than the one being we wise to chastise. There is no verb in the first phrase. If there are " " , then what is inside must be exactly as what is supposedly being quoted. When the entire sentence is not quoted, it takes .... [4 .]. This includes the terminal period. "Lets" should be Let's. There is no terminal punctuation after "alive". Did you want a period or exclamation point. That is five errors used in an attempt to correct only one in the message attempting to be corrected. I was flunked on the Junior English exam at the University of Arkansas. Two errors required another course at the Junior level in nothing by English grammar. It was the toughest course in college, but I am certainly glad I had to take it. If not, I probably would still be correcting my dissertation. I guess, not as I began the program in 1970 and had only to 1977 to complete the program. Yours truly, Cary P.S. I am sure I have committed errors as my eyes are still smarted from an injection into the macula. Also, it has been about 15 years since I last taught a grammar course in 7th and 8th grades. So, if I have erred, it was in good faith. Please forgive me. Cary ---- "R. Camper" <jrcamper@earthlink.net> wrote: "If it my husband and I..." Lets try to keep English alive J. R. Camper

Frances, To the best of my memory, there are no Holts named "Charles" in at least the first two or three generations of the descendants of Germanna's Michael Holt. Michael Holt and all of his known descendants had moved to Orange County, NC by about 1765 (or at least prior to the Revolutionary War). Michael Holt's son Nicholas married Eva Willheit (or Wilhite, if you prefer) who was a daughter of Michael Willheit (German immigrant) around 1740 while living in the Madison County, VA area. They are my direct ancestors. Other Willheit descendants also moved to Orange County, NC in this time frame. And still other Willheit's moved to what became known as Wilhite's Station near Cullman, AL. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > Robert, > My Charles Holt is German and his family settled in Cullman, Al where the > German's who came here from Germanna settled. Why do you think it is > unlikely > that he is connected to the Germanna Holt's. > When I get my information together I will send what I have. I am busy > getting ready for Christmas now. > My grandmother Laura Wilhite Drake is on my father's side of my family. > She > married my grandfather George Whit Drake. On my grandfather's side of the > family is the Holt connection. My grandfather's gr. grandmother was > Elizabeth > Holt. She married Abraham Grimmett and he was German too but not from > Germanna. > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:27:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: > > It is highly unlikely that your Charles Holt is a descendant of Michael > Holt, which is a German line. Charles Holt is probably related to the > English Holts. > > Robert Nicholson

I agree, I read all the post everyday and I don't comment unless there is something about my family. My surnames are Wilhite, Fleishman, Broyles, Yeager and Holt. I am not sure if my Holt's are the same as those here. Charles Holt is one of the older ones. I am not an english teacher and my grammar is bad. I am a nurse and spent my years with the sick. We can all find faults with other's but let's just looks at our own fault's and leave those of us alone who doesn't care a thing about going back to school in our senior years.LOL Marilyn, I know you post often. I enjoy reading what you have to say as, I do all of the other contributor's. Frances In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:45:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rjyeager@roadrunner.com writes: Let's not try to be grammar police when we change the meaning of the post and we seem to have a problem with apostrophe usage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Camper" <jrcamper@earthlink.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > "If it my husband and I..." Lets try to keep English alive > > J. R. Camper > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Suzanne Matson <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> >> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 12/18/2008 9:32:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >> >> If it were me or my husband, that is exactly what I would do. But it > isn't about us and I feel that it is rather rude and insensitive to tell > someone to just get over it. I do know he talked to his parents about the > result. I don't know what they said. Since his brothers did match and he > did not, this leaves some questions that he may want answered but the > parents may not be willing to answer. I think this would be a huge shock > if there were no hint or "family lore" out there lurking. >> >> Suzanne Collins Matson >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: ROBERT NICHOLSON <robertnicholson1@cox.net> >> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:46:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >> >> You just file the information away and move on. There is no point in >> getting upset about it at this late date. >> >> My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be >> something else so the results were not a shock. It seems that one of my >> direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the > surname >> of his actual father. >> >> In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a >> tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought was > her >> ancestral line. When her father finally took the DNA test, it came back >> that they did not connect with their own surname line. That did come as > a >> shock to her. >> >> So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. >> >> Robert Nicholson >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >> >> >> How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which >> happened in my husband's family? >> >> Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came > back >> as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. He > had >> grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child > of >> both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family > is >> in real turmoil. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1855 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 10:16 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

It is highly unlikely that your Charles Holt is a descendant of Michael Holt, which is a German line. Charles Holt is probably related to the English Holts. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >I agree, I read all the post everyday and I don't comment unless there is > something about my family. > My surnames are Wilhite, Fleishman, Broyles, Yeager and Holt. > I am not sure if my Holt's are the same as those here. Charles Holt is one > of the older ones. > I am not an english teacher and my grammar is bad. I am a nurse and spent > my > years with the sick. > We can all find faults with other's but let's just looks at our own > fault's > and leave those of us alone who doesn't care a thing about going back to > school in our senior years.LOL > Marilyn, I know you post often. I enjoy reading what you have to say as, > I > do all of the other contributor's. > Frances

I have a young man who might very easily be persuaded to do DNA testing. His grandfather and Chuck Yeager shared ancestors. I can ask him to test if someone wants to pay for the testing. The grandfather grew up in Hamlin, WV. Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Corlee Morris wrote: > > I would sure like to get a sample of Chuck Yeager's DNA. He could > well be a Germanna Descendant. When my father read his autobiography > he thought that he was possibbly related. > > Corlee Ann Morris > >

Tom, It's interesting that you mention Nicholas Jager/Yager's brother. I have often wonder if that line could ever be found. I just ordered a DNA test Kit for Edwin Yeager of Missouri (3rd great grandson of Daniel Yeager and 7th great grandson of Nicholas[1717]). There is alreaqdy someone in the Yage/Yeager DNA Study that descends from Nicholas. Just for the record, who was the last direct male Yager/Yeager descendant in your line? Fondly, Cousin Corlee

May I suggest this list for those who want to get their feet wet. The responders are wonderful about keeping it simple. Take care. Marilyn DNA-NEWBIE-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Or follow this also http://genforum.genealogy.com/yeager/messages/416.html -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marsha moses Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:02 AM To: cmorris575@att.net; germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Does anyone know if Chuck Yeager is a GermannaDescendent? I have a young man who might very easily be persuaded to do DNA testing. His grandfather and Chuck Yeager shared ancestors. I can ask him to test if someone wants to pay for the testing. The grandfather grew up in Hamlin, WV. Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Corlee Morris wrote: > > I would sure like to get a sample of Chuck Yeager's DNA. He could > well be a Germanna Descendant. When my father read his autobiography > he thought that he was possibbly related. > > Corlee Ann Morris > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe someone wants to verify this http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/YEAGER-SOUTH-US/2002-10/103600 6690 -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marsha moses Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:02 AM To: cmorris575@att.net; germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Does anyone know if Chuck Yeager is a GermannaDescendent? I have a young man who might very easily be persuaded to do DNA testing. His grandfather and Chuck Yeager shared ancestors. I can ask him to test if someone wants to pay for the testing. The grandfather grew up in Hamlin, WV. Marsha Moses On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Corlee Morris wrote: > > I would sure like to get a sample of Chuck Yeager's DNA. He could > well be a Germanna Descendant. When my father read his autobiography > he thought that he was possibbly related. > > Corlee Ann Morris > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The new Germanna website is progressing and contains a lot of wonderful Germanna data. Membership renewals can now be made online http://www.germanna.org/catalog/4/membership What a great Christmas present idea! Lots of people have been working hard on the re-design of the Germanna website and if you haven't explored it, I'm sure you will enjoy it: http://www.germanna.org/ Any browser should work fine in exploring the site now. Your ideas on how to make the Germanna site even better are always welcome. Enjoy and Merry Christmas, Michael