I've skipped over most of this discussion, so this may already have been said. The best that 12 markers can do is tell you that you are not related. Matching 12/12 simply means that somewhere in the distant (perhaps prehistoric) past you share a common ancestor. It tells you nothing specifically about who this common ancestor might be. The best test for this purpose is probably the 37 marker test (since the difference in cost between the 25 and 37 marker tests is not that great). I only recommend the 67 marker upgrade for those who already match 37/37 and seek to refine their results. However, when all is said and done, DNA alone is not going to tell you definitively who that common ancestor is. It still takes tracking down the paper trail. Another thought to throw in here: DNA can sometimes tell you things you might rather not know, such as an ancestor who was "born on the wrong side of the blanket." If you do DNA, go in prepared for that possibility. -- Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator

Y-DNA testing should start with the 37 marker test as an absolute minimum. That test will greatly reduce the chances of having "random matches" which are not matches at all and are misleading. And it will increase the chances of having genuine and meaningful matches. But the 67 marker test is even better. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA TESTS >I have thought the 12 marker test were little to no value. The one in my > family that was suppose to match a different surname didn't match a person > on > the 12 markers. Every name is a different surnames. How could anyone have > that > many father's. I know that doesn't sound right but neither does the over a > hundred different names for a Y DNA test. Frances > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > persisto@earthlink.net writes: > > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Corlee wrote: > >> Never order more than the 12 Marker Y-chromosome test. If you do >> not match any one with that test, having more markers test will not >> find a match. > > You could not possibly be more wrong. A 12 marker test is absolutely > useless and a waste of money. > > Craig Kilby > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please change mine to digest as well Nancy Bolton -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rsbromley@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:47 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Change to digest mode Please change my subscription to "digest". Thank you, Rebecca Bromley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have thought the 12 marker test were little to no value. The one in my family that was suppose to match a different surname didn't match a person on the 12 markers. Every name is a different surnames. How could anyone have that many father's. I know that doesn't sound right but neither does the over a hundred different names for a Y DNA test. Frances In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Corlee wrote: > Never order more than the 12 Marker Y-chromosome test. If you do > not match any one with that test, having more markers test will not > find a match. You could not possibly be more wrong. A 12 marker test is absolutely useless and a waste of money. Craig Kilby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Charles Holt fought in the Revolutionary war and was not an officer like I thought but a private. He is a gr. gr. gr. grandfather of mine. His daughter Mary Elizabeth Holt was married to Abraham Grimmett. He is German too. I had thought he was french but I found out he was not. Does anyone here do research on the Holt's? Frances In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:51:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: Boy! This guy got around! Lived to be 85 years old too. There must be a really good story here. On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:57 PM, germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann > Jonas1) was > born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 > September > 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Corlee wrote: > Never order more than the 12 Marker Y-chromosome test. If you do > not match any one with that test, having more markers test will not > find a match. You could not possibly be more wrong. A 12 marker test is absolutely useless and a waste of money. Craig Kilby

Boy! This guy got around! Lived to be 85 years old too. There must be a really good story here. On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:57 PM, germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann > Jonas1) was > born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 > September > 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama.

Robert, My Holt's are German. We know that. As far as, DNA.. I won't be doing any on these Holt's they are too far down my line. Elizabeth Holt Grimmett was a gr gr grandmother. ( I have no idea how I would find a Holt in this line to do a DNA on). There is a person here on this list that would have the answer if there is a connection and it would be John Blankenbaker. I am curious since you are convinced that my Holt's are not connected to find out. Of course, I am connected to the Holt's of Eva's family because that is my direct line and many other's who post here. Frances There were numerous English Holts in the Hogg Island area on the south side of the James River and just across from Jamestown and Williamsburg. There were also English Holts elsewhere in VA in the 1700s. Your Robert Holt is almost certainly a descendant of one of these English Holt families. In a message dated 12/19/2008 6:58:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: Frances, Based on the information below and the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, I can state with almost complete certainty that Robert Holt is NOT a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). There is no evidence that any descendants of Michael Holt were in Prince William Sound, VA; Blount County, AL; or Franklin County, NC. It should be noted that the individual who prepared the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, admitted that he did not have a source for his claims. After arriving from Germany in 1717, Michael Holt and all of his descendants lived in the area of the original settlement for the Second Germanna Colony and then the Madison County, VA area. Starting about 1750, the entire Michael Holt, family including all known descendants, starting moving to Orange County, NC. The last of these descendants were in Orange County, NC in the late 1760s, prior to the Revolutionary War. The area of Orange County, NC where they settled became Alamance County, NC in 1849. In the reconstructed 1790 census for the St. Asaph's and Chatham (I think it was) Districts in Orange County, NC, all of the Holts listed are descendants of Michael Holt. The most authorative source on the family of Michael Holt in this country is the book, "Descendants of Michael Holt", by the late Maudie Marie Holt Marshall. Copies of this book can be found in some libraries and it is available on a CD also. There were numerous English Holts in the Hogg Island area on the south side of the James River and just across from Jamestown and Williamsburg. There were also English Holts elsewhere in VA in the 1700s. Your Robert Holt is almost certainly a descendant of one of these English Holt families. If you know of a descendant of an all male line from Robert Holt, a DNA test will quickly give you the Holt line from which Robert Holt descended. It should be noted that the Michael Holt line has a number of his descendants represented in the DNA data base at Family Tree DNA. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, Looks like I was probably right. Whatever made you think this > wasn't > the same family. Do have have anything on the Holt family? > This means that My grandfather Drake and my grandmother Wilhite Drake were > distant cousins. > > > 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann Jonas1) > was > born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 > September > 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama. He married Martha Ratliff 15 > February 1785 in Franklin Co., North Carolina. She was born 15 February > 1765 in > Franklin Co., North Carolina (IGI Record), and died 11 May 1854 in Blount > Co., > Alabama (age 89). > > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:02:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: > > If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would > support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt > (Hans Michael Hold). > > Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

In a message dated 12/19/2008 6:58:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: Frances, Based on the information below and the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, I can state with almost complete certainty that Robert Holt is NOT a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). There is no evidence that any descendants of Michael Holt were in Prince William Sound, VA; Blount County, AL; or Franklin County, NC. It should be noted that the individual who prepared the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, admitted that he did not have a source for his claims. After arriving from Germany in 1717, Michael Holt and all of his descendants lived in the area of the original settlement for the Second Germanna Colony and then the Madison County, VA area. Starting about 1750, the entire Michael Holt, family including all known descendants, starting moving to Orange County, NC. The last of these descendants were in Orange County, NC in the late 1760s, prior to the Revolutionary War. The area of Orange County, NC where they settled became Alamance County, NC in 1849. In the reconstructed 1790 census for the St. Asaph's and Chatham (I think it was) Districts in Orange County, NC, all of the Holts listed are descendants of Michael Holt. The most authorative source on the family of Michael Holt in this country is the book, "Descendants of Michael Holt", by the late Maudie Marie Holt Marshall. Copies of this book can be found in some libraries and it is available on a CD also. There were numerous English Holts in the Hogg Island area on the south side of the James River and just across from Jamestown and Williamsburg. There were also English Holts elsewhere in VA in the 1700s. Your Robert Holt is almost certainly a descendant of one of these English Holt families. If you know of a descendant of an all male line from Robert Holt, a DNA test will quickly give you the Holt line from which Robert Holt descended. It should be noted that the Michael Holt line has a number of his descendants represented in the DNA data base at Family Tree DNA. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, Looks like I was probably right. Whatever made you think this > wasn't > the same family. Do have have anything on the Holt family? > This means that My grandfather Drake and my grandmother Wilhite Drake were > distant cousins. > > > 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann Jonas1) > was > born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 > September > 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama. He married Martha Ratliff 15 > February 1785 in Franklin Co., North Carolina. She was born 15 February > 1765 in > Franklin Co., North Carolina (IGI Record), and died 11 May 1854 in Blount > Co., > Alabama (age 89). > > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:02:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: > > If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would > support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt > (Hans Michael Hold). > > Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

I am not convinced that they are not relatives. There is a Hans Michael Holt in this family. I have lot's more on the Holt's. I did send the same information to other people on this list for them to see if they have a Holt that connect's. The Holt that you are referring to is John Holt not Charles. His name is Charles and not Robert. Frances In a message dated 12/19/2008 6:58:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: Frances, Based on the information below and the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, I can state with almost complete certainty that Robert Holt is NOT a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). There is no evidence that any descendants of Michael Holt were in Prince William Sound, VA; Blount County, AL; or Franklin County, NC. It should be noted that the individual who prepared the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, admitted that he did not have a source for his claims. After arriving from Germany in 1717, Michael Holt and all of his descendants lived in the area of the original settlement for the Second Germanna Colony and then the Madison County, VA area. Starting about 1750, the entire Michael Holt, family including all known descendants, starting moving to Orange County, NC. The last of these descendants were in Orange County, NC in the late 1760s, prior to the Revolutionary War. The area of Orange County, NC where they settled became Alamance County, NC in 1849. In the reconstructed 1790 census for the St. Asaph's and Chatham (I think it was) Districts in Orange County, NC, all of the Holts listed are descendants of Michael Holt. The most authorative source on the family of Michael Holt in this country is the book, "Descendants of Michael Holt", by the late Maudie Marie Holt Marshall. Copies of this book can be found in some libraries and it is available on a CD also. There were numerous English Holts in the Hogg Island area on the south side of the James River and just across from Jamestown and Williamsburg. There were also English Holts elsewhere in VA in the 1700s. Your Robert Holt is almost certainly a descendant of one of these English Holt families. If you know of a descendant of an all male line from Robert Holt, a DNA test will quickly give you the Holt line from which Robert Holt descended. It should be noted that the Michael Holt line has a number of his descendants represented in the DNA data base at Family Tree DNA. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, Looks like I was probably right. Whatever made you think this > wasn't > the same family. Do have have anything on the Holt family? > This means that My grandfather Drake and my grandmother Wilhite Drake were > distant cousins. > > > 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann Jonas1) > was > born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 > September > 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama. He married Martha Ratliff 15 > February 1785 in Franklin Co., North Carolina. She was born 15 February > 1765 in > Franklin Co., North Carolina (IGI Record), and died 11 May 1854 in Blount > Co., > Alabama (age 89). > > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:02:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: > > If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would > support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt > (Hans Michael Hold). > > Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Oops, I should have typed Robert or Isham Mason, not smith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Faircloth" <kinseek@comcast.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > Sally, > When was your Frances Smith born? In my records Asa and Barbara Yager > Smith > did not have a daughter Frances. However, Barbara's cousin Jemima Yager > who > married John Smith had a daughter Frances who was born in 1799. I don't > have > a husband listed for this Frances, and I have no Robert or Isham Smith in > my > records. > > I would be very interested in your Frances and your Mason line. > > Thom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> > To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > > >>I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to >>Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a >>dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa >>Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) >> My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that >> has >> showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I >> was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was >> wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? >> Thankyou for any assistance... >> >> Sally Standley >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sally, When was your Frances Smith born? In my records Asa and Barbara Yager Smith did not have a daughter Frances. However, Barbara's cousin Jemima Yager who married John Smith had a daughter Frances who was born in 1799. I don't have a husband listed for this Frances, and I have no Robert or Isham Smith in my records. I would be very interested in your Frances and your Mason line. Thom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to >Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a >dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa >Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) > My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that has > showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I > was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was > wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? > Thankyou for any assistance... > > Sally Standley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I am interested in any information you might have on George Fisher (son of David Fisher immigrant in 1732 to port of Philadelphia Pa.)Family living in Pendleton Co from 1763 till death, He was married to "Eliz. Conrad daughter of Jacob Conrad Thank you Sonja Fisher LeVan

Frances, Based on the information below and the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, I can state with almost complete certainty that Robert Holt is NOT a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). There is no evidence that any descendants of Michael Holt were in Prince William Sound, VA; Blount County, AL; or Franklin County, NC. It should be noted that the individual who prepared the information in the e-mail you sent me privately, admitted that he did not have a source for his claims. After arriving from Germany in 1717, Michael Holt and all of his descendants lived in the area of the original settlement for the Second Germanna Colony and then the Madison County, VA area. Starting about 1750, the entire Michael Holt, family including all known descendants, starting moving to Orange County, NC. The last of these descendants were in Orange County, NC in the late 1760s, prior to the Revolutionary War. The area of Orange County, NC where they settled became Alamance County, NC in 1849. In the reconstructed 1790 census for the St. Asaph's and Chatham (I think it was) Districts in Orange County, NC, all of the Holts listed are descendants of Michael Holt. The most authorative source on the family of Michael Holt in this country is the book, "Descendants of Michael Holt", by the late Maudie Marie Holt Marshall. Copies of this book can be found in some libraries and it is available on a CD also. There were numerous English Holts in the Hogg Island area on the south side of the James River and just across from Jamestown and Williamsburg. There were also English Holts elsewhere in VA in the 1700s. Your Robert Holt is almost certainly a descendant of one of these English Holt families. If you know of a descendant of an all male line from Robert Holt, a DNA test will quickly give you the Holt line from which Robert Holt descended. It should be noted that the Michael Holt line has a number of his descendants represented in the DNA data base at Family Tree DNA. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, Looks like I was probably right. Whatever made you think this > wasn't > the same family. Do have have anything on the Holt family? > This means that My grandfather Drake and my grandmother Wilhite Drake were > distant cousins. > > > 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann Jonas1) > was > born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 > September > 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama. He married Martha Ratliff 15 > February 1785 in Franklin Co., North Carolina. She was born 15 February > 1765 in > Franklin Co., North Carolina (IGI Record), and died 11 May 1854 in Blount > Co., > Alabama (age 89). > > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:02:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: > > If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would > support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt > (Hans Michael Hold). > > Robert

Robert, Looks like I was probably right. Whatever made you think this wasn't the same family. Do have have anything on the Holt family? This means that My grandfather Drake and my grandmother Wilhite Drake were distant cousins. 1. Charles (1)5 Holt (John B.4, Hans Michael3, Martin2, Johann Jonas1) was born 30 March 1762 in Prince William Sound, Virginia, and died 19 September 1847 in Blountsville, Blount Co., Alabama. He married Martha Ratliff 15 February 1785 in Franklin Co., North Carolina. She was born 15 February 1765 in Franklin Co., North Carolina (IGI Record), and died 11 May 1854 in Blount Co., Alabama (age 89). In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:02:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, > Wilhite Station was named for my Gr. grandfather. Frances > > Robert, > You are right on target. I was born at Wilhite Station , Al. Charles > Holt > fought in the Revolutionary war and as, best as, I remember was an > officer. > I > have not connected him on my grandmother's side of the family who was a > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Please change my subscription to "digest". Thank you, Rebecca Bromley

I guess I got a little ahead of myself about George Lang. A bit of clarification about George Lang. I believe the Sulzfeld Ortsippenbuch has been checked. It may have been John Blankenbaker or someone for him. John Blankenbaker in his "2057th Note" writes: "George Lang was a signer of a petition in the fall of 1717 in London asking for financial help in returning to Germany. Adjacent signers are Christopher Uhl and Frederick Kappler, both of whom were from Sulzfeld. However, there is no clear church record in Sulzfeld for George Lang." So, my confusion about the Bonfeld/Sulzfeld or somewhere else for George Lang still continues. It certainly seems to me it would be rather close in one of those areas as John Blankenbaker continued: "George Lang applied for a headright on 7 October 1729 saying that he came with his wife Rebecca "about twelve years since in the ship called the Mulberry." This record may be in error considering that he apparently did not come in 1717 and that he had a late patent comparing to the majority who came in 1717. George Lang patented 300 acres of new land in Spotsylvania County in the first fork of the Robinson river adjacent to Andreas Kirker, John Huffman, and Mathias Castler. The patent issued on 28 September 1731 (Patent Book 14, page 359). He paid for the land with 20 shillings and the head rights of George Lang and Rebeccah, his wife." Hopefully, the Bonfeld book will shed light on some Germanna family. Cary

I have just subscribed to your list. I know I have some early Germans ancestors: a Renner who came?to?Philadelphia in 1754 from Mutterstadt and a Hessian soldier (Wilhelm Kasseman) from Nesselroeden who was captured at Yorktown and held in Frederick, MD. My interest in your group stems from my 3rd greatgrandfather, GEORGE SNIDER. He died around 1805 in Monongalia County, VA/WV. The early Monongalia County records were stored in an out building on the clerk's farm and burned so I have not been able to get any estate information. The patent to the farm was issued in 1809 to the heirs of George Snider and listed several children. His widow was JANE MILLER. She died in 1868. Her death certificate states she was born in?1766. The 1850 census indicated she was born in VA. The oldest child was born around 1792 and the youngest?around 1803.?Their only son was named George. The land patent?stated it was for an "exchanged treasury warrant".? Family lore is that George and Jane came from Virginia, possibly Prince William County,?but I have never been able to connect they to any family in old Virginia.?I would be delighted to hear from anyone with any thoughts, suggestions or information. Rebecca Snyder Bromley?

You are correct and I also left out a word without inserting an ellipsis. I reacted to a pet peeve and apologize. J. R. Camper > [Original Message] > From: Rick Yeager <rjyeager@roadrunner.com> > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/19/2008 2:44:41 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > > Let's not try to be grammar police when we change the meaning of the post > and we seem to have a problem with apostrophe usage. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R. Camper" <jrcamper@earthlink.net> > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > > > > "If it my husband and I..." Lets try to keep English alive > > > > J. R. Camper > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Suzanne Matson <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> > >> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: 12/18/2008 9:32:35 AM > >> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > >> > >> If it were me or my husband, that is exactly what I would do. But it > > isn't about us and I feel that it is rather rude and insensitive to tell > > someone to just get over it. I do know he talked to his parents about the > > result. I don't know what they said. Since his brothers did match and he > > did not, this leaves some questions that he may want answered but the > > parents may not be willing to answer. I think this would be a huge shock > > if there were no hint or "family lore" out there lurking. > >> > >> Suzanne Collins Matson > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: ROBERT NICHOLSON <robertnicholson1@cox.net> > >> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:46:29 AM > >> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > >> > >> You just file the information away and move on. There is no point in > >> getting upset about it at this late date. > >> > >> My own DNA testing proved "family lore" that my surname should be be > >> something else so the results were not a shock. It seems that one of my > >> direct ancestors used the surname of his step-father rather than the > > surname > >> of his actual father. > >> > >> In addition, I know of a case where a family researcher had expended a > >> tremendous amount of time and energy in researching what she thought was > > her > >> ancestral line. When her father finally took the DNA test, it came back > >> that they did not connect with their own surname line. That did come as > > a > >> shock to her. > >> > >> So the message is to just accept the results and keep on trucking. > >> > >> Robert Nicholson > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> > >> Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > >> > >> > >> How have various family groups dealt with the following scenario which > >> happened in my husband's family? > >> > >> Y-DNA studies were done to see if various lines were related. One came > > back > >> as completely unrelated. The parents of the person tested are living. He > > had > >> grown up in his family thinking of course that he was a biological child > > of > >> both parents. Needless to say, this person is devastated and the family > > is > >> in real turmoil. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1855 - Release Date: 12/18/2008 > 10:16 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

His name was Charles Holt. I will check out what I have here and see if I can find it. In a message dated 12/19/2008 2:02:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: If Robert Holt was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War, it would support my guess that he is not a descendant of Germanna's Michael Holt (Hans Michael Hold). Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] GERMANNA HOLTS (WAS: DNA study question) > Robert, > Wilhite Station was named for my Gr. grandfather. Frances > > Robert, > You are right on target. I was born at Wilhite Station , Al. Charles > Holt > fought in the Revolutionary war and as, best as, I remember was an > officer. > I > have not connected him on my grandmother's side of the family who was a > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)