We are most definitely in the process of reviewing all of the Settler's List again. It's something that will continue to be a work in progress as new information comes to light! Barb Price In a message dated 12/20/2008 20:25:50 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: I knew Hoffman/Huffman and Weber/Weaver were from Eisern. I have seen their names in the church records. I really had not looked at the Settlers list in a long time. I wasn't aware that things had shifted around but I know that can happen when you move from one website to another. Perhaps it would be wise to sort of double check the others. I know the first colony fairly well but would not be any help with the second. I wonder if anyone has researched the Catholic records from Rehbach. There may be some information that would clarify some of the inconsistencies in the Hitt genealogy. I reread BCH's Hitt information-there isn't very much and I feel that there is alot of information missing. And BCH doesn't all seem too sure about the relationships among the Hitts. Is anyone working on a Hitt book? The name inconsistency really bothers me. I feel perhaps there are errors on the German side perhaps due to records not being available. Suzanne PS-I found the Revolutionary War Pension application for Hannah Hitt, wife of Peter Hitt who died 1802 on Footnote.com.. Are you familiar with Footnote? They are digitizing the National Archive records. It is a gold mine of information. Hannah gave Peter's date of death as 31 Aug 1802. BCH had said he died in 1802 but said nothing about his Revolutionary War service. She also said they were married at Turkey Run Church April 1783 by Parson Craig. Unfortunately, the pension doesn't give any children's names. I was really looking for Hitts-I just happened across this and read the entire file which runs some 53 pages. PPS-Did you ask Katharine Brown about Herr Moisel being the archivist for just the Evangelical church or for all churches? This has me wondering where the Catholic church records might be. ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:51:03 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts The information that we have at the Foundation is that Peter Hitt's village was Rehbach, near Kaan Marienborn. When we were in Germany last year, we went there for the first time because 2 Hitt descendants were on the tour--the tour is conducted according to the various families that are represented by the travelers. One of the Foundation Trustees, Horst Schneider, presented Russell Hitt with some documents having to do with the land on which Peter Hitt lived on in Rehbach. I will ask Russell exactly what they were, I think at least one of the documents was a map showing his land. There is no house left on the land of Peter Hitt, just farmland, but it's a beautiful place. It's also not far from the villages of the other members of the First Colony. I'll check the web site and make sure that Eisern is not the village of Peter Hitt, it's the village of John Hoffman/Huffman and Tilman Weber/Weaver. Barb Price In a message dated 12/20/2008 16:04:03 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the reader decide the veracity of the information given. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox..net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. 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Thanks Barbara. Your memory of the facts is so much better than mine about the Siegenland area. Wasn't that presentation what everyone wants? The facts handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there had been much preliminary work and contacts done over the years for that to have resulted. I don't believe the couple on the trip were certain as to the Hitt origin before taking the tour. The story has been posted at Germanna.org for sometime. The resources available are so much better today than when the research was done by the pioneers of Germanna research were doing their work. Would that they could have lived to see how technology has aided the discovery of records. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: <RockCatt@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts > The information that we have at the Foundation is that Peter Hitt's village > was Rehbach, near Kaan Marienborn. When we were in Germany last year, we > went there for the first time because 2 Hitt descendants were on the tour--the > tour is conducted according to the various families that are represented by the > travelers. One of the Foundation Trustees, Horst Schneider, presented > Russell Hitt with some documents having to do with the land on which Peter Hitt > lived on in Rehbach. I will ask Russell exactly what they were, I think at > least one of the documents was a map showing his land. There is no house left > on the land of Peter Hitt, just farmland, but it's a beautiful place. It's > also not far from the villages of the other members of the First Colony. > > I'll check the web site and make sure that Eisern is not the village of > Peter Hitt, it's the village of John Hoffman/Huffman and Tilman Weber/Weaver. > > Barb Price > > > In a message dated 12/20/2008 16:04:03 Pacific Standard Time, > holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: > > I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as > Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that > statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would > appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's > birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. > > Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the > reader decide the veracity of the information given. > > Suzanne Collins Matson > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts > > There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. > Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna > > There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony > Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of > the Hitt homestead which we visited. > > Cary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Suzanne, Did you check any of the sites and evaluate if the information was supported by fact? I was on the 2007 trip that went up to the Hitt farm at Eisern and there were documents verifying the farm as belonging to the ancestor of the Hitt also on the trip. These documents were given to that Hitt. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Matson" <holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the reader decide the veracity of the information given. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I just went to the Germanna Foundation web site and I see what happened in the transfer of data from the old site to the new one---the village of Eisern belongs to John Hofmann, listed just below Peter Heite/Hitt. I will make sure that Rehbach is listed as the home village of Peter. Barb Price In a message dated 12/20/2008 19:51:59 Pacific Standard Time, RockCatt@aol.com writes: The information that we have at the Foundation is that Peter Hitt's village was Rehbach, near Kaan Marienborn. When we were in Germany last year, we went there for the first time because 2 Hitt descendants were on the tour--the tour is conducted according to the various families that are represented by the travelers. One of the Foundation Trustees, Horst Schneider, presented Russell Hitt with some documents having to do with the land on which Peter Hitt lived on in Rehbach. I will ask Russell exactly what they were, I think at least one of the documents was a map showing his land. There is no house left on the land of Peter Hitt, just farmland, but it's a beautiful place. It's also not far from the villages of the other members of the First Colony. I'll check the web site and make sure that Eisern is not the village of Peter Hitt, it's the village of John Hoffman/Huffman and Tilman Weber/Weaver. Barb Price In a message dated 12/20/2008 16:04:03 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the reader decide the veracity of the information given. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000002 5) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
The information that we have at the Foundation is that Peter Hitt's village was Rehbach, near Kaan Marienborn. When we were in Germany last year, we went there for the first time because 2 Hitt descendants were on the tour--the tour is conducted according to the various families that are represented by the travelers. One of the Foundation Trustees, Horst Schneider, presented Russell Hitt with some documents having to do with the land on which Peter Hitt lived on in Rehbach. I will ask Russell exactly what they were, I think at least one of the documents was a map showing his land. There is no house left on the land of Peter Hitt, just farmland, but it's a beautiful place. It's also not far from the villages of the other members of the First Colony. I'll check the web site and make sure that Eisern is not the village of Peter Hitt, it's the village of John Hoffman/Huffman and Tilman Weber/Weaver. Barb Price In a message dated 12/20/2008 16:04:03 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the reader decide the veracity of the information given. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
I knew Hoffman/Huffman and Weber/Weaver were from Eisern. I have seen their names in the church records. I really had not looked at the Settlers list in a long time. I wasn't aware that things had shifted around but I know that can happen when you move from one website to another. Perhaps it would be wise to sort of double check the others. I know the first colony fairly well but would not be any help with the second. I wonder if anyone has researched the Catholic records from Rehbach. There may be some information that would clarify some of the inconsistencies in the Hitt genealogy. I reread BCH's Hitt information-there isn't very much and I feel that there is alot of information missing. And BCH doesn't all seem too sure about the relationships among the Hitts. Is anyone working on a Hitt book? The name inconsistency really bothers me. I feel perhaps there are errors on the German side perhaps due to records not being available. Suzanne PS-I found the Revolutionary War Pension application for Hannah Hitt, wife of Peter Hitt who died 1802 on Footnote.com.. Are you familiar with Footnote? They are digitizing the National Archive records. It is a gold mine of information. Hannah gave Peter's date of death as 31 Aug 1802. BCH had said he died in 1802 but said nothing about his Revolutionary War service. She also said they were married at Turkey Run Church April 1783 by Parson Craig. Unfortunately, the pension doesn't give any children's names. I was really looking for Hitts-I just happened across this and read the entire file which runs some 53 pages. PPS-Did you ask Katharine Brown about Herr Moisel being the archivist for just the Evangelical church or for all churches? This has me wondering where the Catholic church records might be. ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:51:03 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts The information that we have at the Foundation is that Peter Hitt's village was Rehbach, near Kaan Marienborn. When we were in Germany last year, we went there for the first time because 2 Hitt descendants were on the tour--the tour is conducted according to the various families that are represented by the travelers. One of the Foundation Trustees, Horst Schneider, presented Russell Hitt with some documents having to do with the land on which Peter Hitt lived on in Rehbach. I will ask Russell exactly what they were, I think at least one of the documents was a map showing his land. There is no house left on the land of Peter Hitt, just farmland, but it's a beautiful place. It's also not far from the villages of the other members of the First Colony. I'll check the web site and make sure that Eisern is not the village of Peter Hitt, it's the village of John Hoffman/Huffman and Tilman Weber/Weaver. Barb Price In a message dated 12/20/2008 16:04:03 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the reader decide the veracity of the information given. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox..net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. Cary
I would doubt that the name Hightower is connected in any way with the name Hitt. For one thing, the number of syllables is different. I have no thoughts about the origin of the Hightower name. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net The original message said: > Do you think the Hitt name could in any way, been,-- or be, connected > with.-- another name such as Hightower? I don't know where my Hightower line > comes > from (what country) as we seem to have a brickwall with a courthouse fire. > Nobody researching this line can optain a piece of documentation to connect > our Hightower line to the others in the area at the time. I'm sure they are > related, but no documentation to this point. Just wondered what you thought > about this surname - HIGHTOWER--and any connection with the Hitt surname.
The Hitt Surname >From the first Colony "Settlers List" at Germanna.org. Heide/Heite/Hitt, Peter/Deiter Eisern wife Maria Elizabeth Freudenberg Kaan Marienborn Hoffmann/Hoffman/Huffman, Johannes Eisern I may be mistaken, but I am fairly sure of the following. The Germanna Tour 2007 visited the actual farm site of this family. I don't recall the Hitt family member's full name that was on the trip. Katharine or Tomm can you fill in on this? Cary Cary
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The Hitt Surname I have a list of 25 households in Germany where the surname is Hitt. I did write to one of these who lives in Berlin but he knew little about his familys ancestry. For reason for this preliminary exploratory work is that the origin of the Germanna Hitts is obscure. B. C. Holtzclaw thought they came from Nassau-Siegen, perhaps because the balance of the First Colony did come from there. He could find no Hitts in this region but he did find Heide/Heite families here. So he assumed, without proof, that the German name of the Virginia Hitts was Heide/Heite At the Germanna Seminar last summer I talked about the origins of the Germanna Tanner family. I showed that the emigration history could be complex. In particular, even though the Tanner family did not arrive in Virginia until 1720, they were the first (known) Germanna family to leave Germany having left in 1709. My thought is that the Germanna Hitt family could really be a Hitt family and not a Heide/Heite family. Perhaps they left also in 1709 and spent a few years in Ireland or England as many of the 1709 Germans did. Many of these early Germans did not want to live in Ireland or England but wanted to go to the New World. Perhaps a Hitt family was in London in 1713 looking for a way to get to America. They may have encountered the Nassau-Siegen people and joined the group. So the question is: Is the original name of the Germanna Hitts actually Hitt or Heide or even another name.? It would seem to me that a DNA study of known Germanna Hitts (in the male line) could be compared to the DNA of German Hitts and Heide/Heite. This might help answer the question of the original name of the Germanna Hitts. My list of the 25 Hitt households in Germany is a few years old being taken from a telephone book. However, the majority of the addresses are probably still valid (I did write to one and received an answer.) If anyone wishes to pursue this question, I will give them my list. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net
I realize that the Germanna Foundation website gives Peter Hitt's home as Eisern. I am pointing out that I have located no information to support that statement. And if someone else has the documentation to prove it, I would appreciate knowing the source. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw gives Peter Hitt's birthplace as Rehbach near Kaan. Information posted on a website may or may not be factual. Sources help the reader decide the veracity of the information given. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts There are several articles about the Hitt/Heide family from Eisern online. Google: Hitt Eisern Germanna There are several things that are well-documented that puts the First Colony Hitt in Eisern. There is a story of the 2007 Germanna Tour that tells of the Hitt homestead which we visited. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Some names on the Settlers List have been listed because of tradition and not because of thorough research. Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw acknowledged that Peter Hitt's lineage was very problematical and probably the most uncertain of all the members of the 1714 colony. Dr. William J. Hinke who wrote about the 1714 colony had difficulties making the dates and people match. At one time, Professor William I. Utterback had some information on the Hitts. I don't know what happened to his research; he has been dead for a good number of years. I have read the Siegen church records as well as a number of the church records from surrounding villages. The Heite/Heide records that I have located just don't quite fit with the given information about Hitts. I am not familiar with a Peter Heite/Heide from Eisern as listed in the Settlers List. Heite/Heide is pronounced in German with a long "i" as in "Hi!" Hitt is pronounced as it looks with a short "i".. This is quite a difference in pronunciation--and I think it is significant. My personal opinion is that there is much research that needs to be done in this area. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: "drcary@cox.net" <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:52:09 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Germanna Hitts The Hitt Surname >>From the first Colony "Settlers List" at Germanna.org. Heide/Heite/Hitt, Peter/Deiter Eisern wife Maria Elizabeth Freudenberg Kaan Marienborn Hoffmann/Hoffman/Huffman, Johannes Eisern I may be mistaken, but I am fairly sure of the following. The Germanna Tour 2007 visited the actual farm site of this family. I don't recall the Hitt family member's full name that was on the trip. Katharine or Tomm can you fill in on this? Cary Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Although the best sources, I believe, for Germanna Colonies research are the publications of the Germanna Memorial Foundation, the writings of B. C. Holtzclaw [many of which are now online at sites like HeritageQuest], and the exchange of information on this website, I am going to suggest another resource: It is the Immigrant Genealogical Society in Burbank, CA. Try this website for some of their resources. I don't see anything which springs out for Nassau-Siegen, but with so many boundary changes, who knows? _http://www.immigrantgensoc.org/searches/search_index.html_ (http://www.immigrantgensoc.org/searches/search_index.html) It is highly unlikely this organization can help me with my latecomer Wilhelm L. Braun (d. ca 1926) who reported in one census he came from Baden. When and where is a mystery, but he came to join other Germans in San Antonio, TX. (My genealogy is full of common surnames!) This society told me LONG AGO that I had to know the parish from which my ancestor came!!! Fat chance!!! As for Braun's wife's genealogy, I was fortunate enough to find and obtain copies of an *Old War* pension claim for her father, who was divorced from their mother during the Civil War. His widow, second wife, had to produce all kinds of documents in order to file--and receive--a pension after her husband was killed by the Brooklyn [long way from Texas] police. As some genealogist experts say, Hope your ancestor got into trouble. There are bound to be records then!!! E.W.Wallace **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
After reading so many postings regarding DNA testing, what company do you recommend for the DNA testing? And, do you recommend the 12, 37 or 67? Thank you for your response. Jennie O'Connor Magan
OK I am going to wade into this one slowly but only once. To preserve a YDNA I may want later I ordered the basic test because it can always be upgraded under better circumstances. Which I have done for two families due to illlness and end of line. If you are looking for matches, many YDNA studies will not do less than a 37 marker test and some require higher. Which again puts me out of the money bracket. This is what I understood from my various YDNA advisors: the basic saves the DNA and may tell you where lineage was from so way, long , long ago; the top bracket generally will give you a chance to find other living descendants if they have worked back at least 6/8 or so generations. I have done some MTdna and found a link: planned no, surprised yes. This came about because their genealogy was shared and we could show relationship in late 1600's early 1700's in VA. A quirk at best but a delight just the same. I can say I think we miss much when we only attempt to follow the male line of our ancestors, many of our females were just as interesting. Blessed Season's Greetings and a Healthy Happy Kin Finding New Year. HUFFMAN HOFFMAN , BRAMMER, LEE, SCOTT, MORROW, TUTTLE, FRY, FRYE, STOUT, PLANTZ, PLANTS, WARDEN, LANGDON, LEWIS, STROHSCHNIEDER/STROSNIDER, STOLLAR, ELY, EALY, HAINES, JONES, DUVALL, PATTERSON, RITCHIE/RITCHEY, FOLK/ FOULK, MOYER/MYERS, FULLER (in MD),FULLER (in VA), most of my more southern lines. Have another set of names for Mass, Maine, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, & Vermont. Susi ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
The Hitt Surname I have a list of 25 households in Germany where the surname is Hitt. I did write to one of these who lives in Berlin but he knew little about his family’ s ancestry. For reason for this preliminary exploratory work is that the origin of the Germanna Hitts is obscure. B. C. Holtzclaw thought they came from Nassau-Siegen, perhaps because the balance of the First Colony did come from there. He could find no Hitts in this region but he did find Heide/Heite families here. So he assumed, without proof, that the German name of the Virginia Hitts was Heide/Heite At the Germanna Seminar last summer I talked about the origins of the Germanna Tanner family. I showed that the emigration history could be complex. In particular, even though the Tanner family did not arrive in Virginia until 1720, they were the first (known) Germanna family to leave Germany having left in 1709. My thought is that the Germanna Hitt family could really be a Hitt family and not a Heide/Heite family. Perhaps they left also in 1709 and spent a few years in Ireland or England as many of the 1709 Germans did. Many of these early Germans did not want to live in Ireland or England but wanted to go to the New World. Perhaps a Hitt family was in London in 1713 looking for a way to get to America. They may have encountered the Nassau-Siegen people and joined the group. So the question is: “Is the original name of the Germanna Hitts actually Hitt or Heide or even another name.?” It would seem to me that a DNA study of known Germanna Hitts (in the male line) could be compared to the DNA of German Hitts and Heide/Heite. This might help answer the question of the original name of the Germanna Hitts. My list of the 25 Hitt households in Germany is a few years old being taken from a telephone book. However, the majority of the addresses are probably still valid (I did write to one and received an answer.) If anyone wishes to pursue this question, I will give them my list. -- _John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net_ (mailto:John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net) Do you think the Hitt name could in any way, been,-- or be, connected with.-- another name such as Hightower? I don't know where my Hightower line comes from (what country) as we seem to have a brickwall with a courthouse fire. Nobody researching this line can optain a piece of documentation to connect our Hightower line to the others in the area at the time. I'm sure they are related, but no documentation to this point. Just wondered what you thought about this surname - HIGHTOWER--and any connection with the Hitt surname. Brenda (Hightower) Berger **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
Thank you for this information. I did 67 marker on my brother and no one else has gone that far that match us and that was a few years ago. I increased from 37-67 when FTDNA started doing them. They ask for more DNA on my brother at that point. I told them he had died and they said for the part they needed I could send them my DNA and they sent me a kit. I did ask if I could send my other brother's specimen and the person I talked to said no that won't be necessary. I had already had the mtDNA done on myself but I didn't mention that and it is on the same page as, my brother's. (I wonder about that too). I found it strange that there was not hundred's that matched my son or brother. I did 37 markers on the other two Ydna's that I had done. I didn't do just 12 on any of them. I understand that things happen to cause a person's name to change. That is not the problem. I am not saying it is not devastating because it is. There is no excuse to treat someone badly because you think they are no longer in your group because you have decided they match another group but there are there different names in the 37 markers and we are exact matches of one of the brother's. If I find this to be absolutely true.. I will be ok with it but something is not right here. Did you know that they do not accept a parental DNA in a court of law? The lawyers have them done to try to prove to that person they are the parent but you can still go to court and fight and win. We have lot's of lawyers in my family and they are my source for this information. That should tell us something. If the courts knew they were true they would allow them. They do them in other things with specimens taken to prove a crime and they take those. I would like to have someone look my DNA chart over who know's what they are doing and give me their report. Frances In a message dated 12/20/2008 7:25:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hartley@iglou.com writes: I've skipped over most of this discussion, so this may already have been said. The best that 12 markers can do is tell you that you are not related. Matching 12/12 simply means that somewhere in the distant (perhaps prehistoric) past you share a common ancestor. It tells you nothing specifically about who this common ancestor might be. The best test for this purpose is probably the 37 marker test (since the difference in cost between the 25 and 37 marker tests is not that great). I only recommend the 67 marker upgrade for those who already match 37/37 and seek to refine their results. However, when all is said and done, DNA alone is not going to tell you definitively who that common ancestor is. It still takes tracking down the paper trail. Another thought to throw in here: DNA can sometimes tell you things you might rather not know, such as an ancestor who was "born on the wrong side of the blanket." If you do DNA, go in prepared for that possibility. -- Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
The YDNA marker to the 12 markers had at least a hundred different names with two of my mother's surname. One of her surnames was dropped there. The one name continues through the 37 markers as, an exact match with two other and different surnames at the 37 markers. The one who is the exact match was my gr. grandfather's brother. Their father was born 1790. The person at FTDNA told me this happened within the past 100 years that they were this other name but there are two names and how would you decide which one was right. The man in charge of the group at DNA roots web picked out that name which was not my mother's surname that he says is our last name. The same man told me that it would not do any good to re-check because all of our hundred's of family member's would all be the same and would mean nothing. I re-checked the uncle that I had the first YDNA 37 markers on. I had a YDNA done on my first cousin. I don't have the report's yet. I did these at the Mormon DNA lab because I have spent a lot of money on DNA on my other surnames. I have done my son.. 37 markers, my brother 67 markers and MTDNA on myself along with the extra things for halo type and DNA prints on myself. The Mormon lab. apparently takes a long time to post their report's. Any re-testing I do will be with Oxford or different labs from FTDNA. My mother was 101 in November and I know according to YDN that we go back to 1790. I hope this makes sense and do any of you have any idea what is going on here or where I can get help with this situation. I am a nurse and I don't just take anyone's word on something like this that doesn't make sense to me. I know the people doing the test are not trained in the lab but rather are going to college . I am not sure I can trust their lab. I am sure lots would probably be right but I don't believe this one is. Frances In a message dated 12/20/2008 6:23:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertnicholson1@cox.net writes: Y-DNA testing should start with the 37 marker test as an absolute minimum. That test will greatly reduce the chances of having "random matches" which are not matches at all and are misleading. And it will increase the chances of having genuine and meaningful matches. But the 67 marker test is even better. Robert Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: <KiwisKeeper@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA TESTS >I have thought the 12 marker test were little to no value. The one in my > family that was suppose to match a different surname didn't match a person > on > the 12 markers. Every name is a different surnames. How could anyone have > that > many father's. I know that doesn't sound right but neither does the over a > hundred different names for a Y DNA test. Frances > > > In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > persisto@earthlink.net writes: > > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Corlee wrote: > >> Never order more than the 12 Marker Y-chromosome test. If you do >> not match any one with that test, having more markers test will not >> find a match. > > You could not possibly be more wrong. A 12 marker test is absolutely > useless and a waste of money. > > Craig Kilby > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
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