On or about 21 Dec 2008, this message appreared on this list: The following was located in Fauquier County Va Minute Book 1768-1784: p. 286 Indentures of Lease and Release between Josiah Holtzclaw & Susannah his wife of the one part and Richard Chichester John Hathaway John Wright Jr James Brient and Peter Kamper Sen Trustees for the Presbyterian Society of the other part acknowledged by the said Josiah and Susanna (she being first privily examined as the Law directs) to be their act and deed and with the receit on the said Release endorsed which was also acknowledged by the said Josiah ordered to be recorded. The above is typed exactly as it appears in the Minute Book including spelling, punctuation, or lack thereof. Question:? To which Presbyterian Society or Church does this entry refer? This minute book is also found on microfilm #31614 from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and is available for loan to a Family History Center. Thanks-- Suzanne Collins Matson My response - I believe Suzanne wrote a subsequent answer giving the date of this document in the year 1771. (I cannot find that message presently, but AOL is acting up--again. Wonder if all those snow storms have something to do with that?) I pulled down one of my books on Fauquier Co. deeds by John K. Gott and found this entry concerning a German glebe. The following is only an abstract. I wonder if the religion of the glebe was given in the full deed. I know this term is used a good deal for English churches [Church of England]. Gott used a lot of abbreviations, but I think readers can figure most of them out. [Golly--I ended this sentence with a preposition. What will my dear old HS English teacher think of that!!!\ Or is out a preposition?] [Fauquier Co., Deed Bk 4] p. 178-180 22 April 1771 B & S [Bargain & Sale] Bet. Peter Hitt, Jacob Wever [sic], Peter Kemper of Fauq. and Harman Fishback of Culp. Co. of one part and Tilman Martin .. 24 pds.... lot ... cont. 100 A. whereon Tilman Martin now lives .. binding on land of Charles Carter of Lan[caster] Co. and Jeremiah Darnall .. being one of the lotts of land in the German Town formerly set apart for a German glebe .. signed Peter (X) Hitt, Jacob Wever, Herman Fishback, Peter Kamper. Wit: Thomas Marshall, Tilman Wever, Joseph Martin, Josiah Holtzclaw. Rec: 24 June 1771, prov. by o[ath] of Tilman Wever, Joseph Martin & Josiah Holtzclaw [John K. Gott, Fauquier County, Virginia deeds 1759-1778 [Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, 1998], p. 114) Glebe 1 definition: a piece of church lnad forming part or all of a benefice Benefice 2nd definition an endowed church office providing a living for a vicar, rector, etc. 3rd definition its income Courtesy of Webster's New Wolrd Dictionary, Third College Edition Interesting!!!! E.W.Wallace **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
I found the Brent family in Stafford County, Virginia in the late 1600s, as I was researching my Judd family line. The families came from Maryland and all indications are the early Brent family was Catholic. One place you can find additional information about the family is at: www.annefield.net/brentwilliam.htm Research is difficult in Stafford County since the early records were either destroyed or lost. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Wisdom Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:18 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] James Brient/Brent I am researching the John Brent history in Fairfield Co., SC and trying to trace the family back to Va. Is there anyone on this list with any information on the Brent's in this area of Va.? I would appreciate any help. So far we have been unable to prove parents for John Brent, born 1755 and serving in the Revolutionary War in SC., later moving his family to Ms. This John Brent married Ann Nancy Neely in SC. Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I understand everything you wrote. LOL That sounds like southern talk.. Winnie, Do you have Alabama Powell's. Mine are from Morgan cty Alabama. There are many Wilhites in this county and Cullman county too. Frances In a message dated 12/22/2008 11:00:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, voodoo@wdemail.com writes: hay kilb if'n ya kant git it I mite cud splain it 2 ya -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Winnie Miller Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:45 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Powell and Mary Place and Wilhite and other Willhoites Thanks for the information. Let me think about what you(all, youall) sent and my notes and sources. I know Ann Ester Powell was the daughter of Thomas Powell and Mary Place. The only relationship to the Wilhite on this line is through Lucy Stapp, d of Hannah Durham and Joshua Stapp JR. married to John Wilhite. (Proven by Census, deeds, cemetery, John's signature for his son Tobias and Acquilles to marry, court case, John's Rev War information and pension.) Not to be confused with the Towles-Willhoite Line and Willhoite/Willhoite and Joel Wilhoite and Mary Wilhite. At least I am getting to the (age) most of the Wilhite(sic) Clan) had!!!!! (Had to do that Craig) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
hay kilb if'n ya kant git it I mite cud splain it 2 ya -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Winnie Miller Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:45 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Powell and Mary Place and Wilhite and other Willhoites Thanks for the information. Let me think about what you(all, youall) sent and my notes and sources. I know Ann Ester Powell was the daughter of Thomas Powell and Mary Place. The only relationship to the Wilhite on this line is through Lucy Stapp, d of Hannah Durham and Joshua Stapp JR. married to John Wilhite. (Proven by Census, deeds, cemetery, John's signature for his son Tobias and Acquilles to marry, court case, John's Rev War information and pension.) Not to be confused with the Towles-Willhoite Line and Willhoite/Willhoite and Joel Wilhoite and Mary Wilhite. At least I am getting to the (age) most of the Wilhite(sic) Clan) had!!!!! (Had to do that Craig)
Thanks for the information. Let me think about what you(all, youall) sent and my notes and sources. I know Ann Ester Powell was the daughter of Thomas Powell and Mary Place. The only relationship to the Wilhite on this line is through Lucy Stapp, d of Hannah Durham and Joshua Stapp JR. married to John Wilhite. (Proven by Census, deeds, cemetery, John's signature for his son Tobias and Acquilles to marry, court case, John's Rev War information and pension.) Not to be confused with the Towles-Willhoite Line and Willhoite/Willhoite and Joel Wilhoite and Mary Wilhite. At least I am getting to the (age) most of the Wilhite(sic) Clan) had!!!!! (Had to do that Craig)
I have?secondary source on?Powell information noted below: More About Thomas Sr POWELL and Mary PLACE: Marriage: Abt. 1666, Isle of Wight/Old Rappahannock Co, VA. ?Marriage Notes for Thomas Sr POWELL and Mary PLACE: Mary may have been Thomas' second wife and they were already married in 1667 when they sold some land. Court records in essex Co, 1667 & 1693, show they were already married and LDS records have the marriage date as 1756 but that is much too early considering Mary's age and birth dates of the children. Children of Thomas Sr POWELL and Mary PLACE are: +Honorias Sr POWELL, b. Abt. 1669, Essex Co, VA, d. 1752, Caroline Co, VA. ? source J VanGundy 4206 Jones Bridge Circle Norcross, GA 30092 United States 678-291-0807 Fax: 770-864-5165 bj@vangundy.net Descendants of Nathanial Powell Descendants of Nathanial Powell 1 Nathanial Powell b: Abt. 1610 in Wales, England d: 1677 in Isle of Wight Co, VA .. +Lucretia b: Abt. 1610 ..... 2 Thomas Sr. Powell b: Abt. 1635 in Sittingbourne Parrish, Essex Co, VA d: 20 Mar 1700/01 in Sittingbourne Parrish, Essex Co, VA Source: an Gundy Family File www.vangundy.net/familytree/paf/pafg71.htm ......... +Mary Place b: Abt. 1648 in Lancaster Co, VA m: Abt. 1666 in Isle of Wight/Old Rappahannock Co, VA d: 15 Dec 1710 Father: Francis Place Mother: Ann Williamson ............ 3 Honerias Powell b: Abt. 1669 in 1669, Essex Co, VA, d: 1752 in Caroline Co, VA Source: an Gundy Family File www.vangundy.net/familytree/paf/pafg71.htm ................ +Joyce Unknown b: Abt. 1675 in Virginia m: 1693 in Old Rappahannock Co, VA. ................... 4 Honorias Powell Jr? b: 1694 in Virginia d: 1767 in Virginia ....................... +Jeanette Kirtley b: Abt. 1700 in Prob Virginia m: 20 Apr .......................... 5 Thomas Payne Powell? b: Abt. 1730 in Orange Culpepper Virginia d: Feb 1809 in Estill Co, KY. .............................. +Jane Ann Bush b: 1740 Father: Phillip or Thomas Bush .......................... 5 Simon Powell b: Abt. 1720 in Orange, Virginia d: 1771 in Virginia .............................. +Martha b: 1729 in Virginia .......................... 5 Abraham??? Powell? ................... 4 John Powell ? b: Abt. 1695 in Virginia ....................... +Ann Pickett b: Abt. 1695 in Probably Virginia m: Abt. 1720 d: 1763 .......................... 5 Benjamin Powell b: Abt. 1721 .......................... 5 William Powell b: Abt. 1723 .......................... 5 Elizabeth Powell b: Abt. 1725 .......................... 5 Francis Powell b: Abt. 1730 .......................... 5 Lucretia Powell b: Abt. 1735 .......................... 5 Unknown Powell b: Abt. 1739 .......................... 5 James Powell b: Abt. 1740 .......................... 5 Ambrose Powell b: Abt. 1744 .......................... 5 Honorias Powell b: Abt. 1745 in Virginia ................... 4 Thomas Powell Jr? b: Abt. 1700 in Virginia ................... 4 William Jr? b: Abt. 1701 in Virginia ................... 4 Ambrose Jr? b: Abt. 1703 in Virginia ................... 4 Lucretia Jr? b: Abt. 1698 in Virginia ............ 3 Place Powell b: Abt. 1670 ............ 3 Thomas Powell b: Abt. 1675 ..... 2 Robert Powell b: Abt. 1632 ..... 2 John Powell b: Abt. 1633 ..... 2 Unknown Powell b: Abt. 1634 I am possibly connected through Thomas Payne Powell although I have not seen this confirmed.? My line is confirmed to Oner R Powell a surveyor born about 1772 in Virginia.? He lived in Covington Kentucky near Cincinatti in the early 1800s.? The Van Grundy file indicates that his father was Thomas Payne Powell who went with Washington in the French and Indian war and died in Estell Kentucky.? Oner produced a Farmers Alamanac for Cincinatti in the early 1800s. These early Powells were fairly wealthy and lived along side of the Germanna families.? I would love to know more about them.? As far as I know my Wilhite, Broyles, and?Fleshman lines did not connect with the Powells.? Would appreciate any help Thanks, Susan -----Original Message----- From: TEbel2888@aol.com To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 8:03 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thomas Powell and Mary Place c1640 to Lucy Stapp and John Wilh... In a message dated 12/6/2008 12:04:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, winnie.miller@att.net writes: I am trying to find a marriage date of the wedding of Thomas Powell and Mary Place. His birth abt. 1640. His marriage before 1657. Which makes him a very young man. His death abt. 1701 in Esssex County, VA. No will I can find. I am not sure of Mary Place's birth and have her death Dec. 1710 in Richmond County, VA Thomas's father could be William Powell and could be born in Isle of Wright. Wright ? Thomas Powell and Mary Place to Ann Ester Powell and Edward Coffey to Martha Patsy Coffey and Joshua Stapp Senior to Joshua Stapp Jr. and Hannah Durham to my Lucy Stapp married to John Wilhite. Lucy Stapp married John Wilhite c 1769 in Orange County, VA. Lucy and John died in Owen County, KY. John Wilhite b 1745 Culpeper, died 17 Feb. 1837 in Owen County, KY. Lucy b 1747 in Orange County, VA, buried 28 March 1828 in Owen County, KY. Something seems off. Check the dates. I have Joshua COFFEY m Hannah DURHAM 1758 Orange Co., Virginia, but Lucy was born 1747. It took the minister a while to get there LOL --or Joshua had a previous marriage---or I have the dates wrong. Joshua was not born in Orange Co., Virginia in 1724 because the county didn't split from Spotsylvania Co. (est. 1721 from Essex) until 1734. Sarah Durham STAPP had to be the youngest (or close to it) if she was born in 1760 when Hannah was 45. Then there is a 13 year gap between Lucy and Sarah. Descendants of Joshua Coffey Stapp, Jr. 1 Joshua Coffey Stapp, Jr. 1724 - 1814 b: 1724 in Orange Co., Virginia d: 07/1814 in Adair Co., Kentucky .. +Hannah Durham 1725 - 1796 b: 1725 in Virginia d: 1796 in Scott Co., Kentucky ........ 2 Sarah Durham Stapp 1760 - 1822 b: 1760 in Orange Co., Virginia d: 1822 in Green Co., Kentucky ............ +Charles Creel 1756 - 1822 b: 1756 in Orange Co., Virginia d: 06/17/1822 in Green Co., Kentucky ................... 3 John Stapp Creel 1778 - b: Bet. 177 8 - 1805 ................... 3 Michajah Stapp Creel 1779 - b: 1779 ................... 3 Simeon Stapp Creel 1782 - b: 1782 ................... 3 Silas Stapp Creel 1784 - b: 1784 ................... 3 Durham Stapp Creel 1786 - b: 1786 ................... 3 Elijah Stapp Creel 1789 - 1833 b: 08/22/1789 in Fay ette Co., Kentucky d: 11/14/1833 in Greensburg, Green Co., Kentucky ....................... +Ermine Patteson Embry 1780 - 1813 b: Bet. 1780 - 1796 in Greensburg, Green Co., Kentucky d: 1813 in Greensburg, Green Co., Kentucky ............................. 4 Henry Embry Creel 1812 - b: 1812 ................... *2nd Wife of Elijah Stapp Creel: ....................... +Malinda Coleman Waggoner 1792 - 1835 b: 1792 d: 1835 in Greensburg, Green Co., Kentucky ............................. 4 Reuben Waggoner Creel 1815 - b: 1815 ............................. 4 Ermine Catherine Waggoner Creel 1819 - b: 1819 ............................. 4 Charles Waggoner Creel 1825 - b: 1825 ................... 3 Elizie Stapp Creel 1792 - b: 1792 ........ 2 Lucy Stapp 1747 - 1828 b: 1747 in Orange Co., Virginia d: 03/28/1828 in Owen Co., Kentucky ............ +John Wilhite 1745 - 1837 b: 1745 in Culpeper Co., Virginia d: 02/17/1837 in Owen Co., Kentucky I only have info on them in my quest to find a connection to William BOWLING of Orange Co. b c 1707 d 1772, said to have married an Ann SIMS or STAPP/STEPP. I would like to correct my information if anyone can help. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Pl us WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. 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In the Robinson River Valley, the Lutherans held church services on Christmas. Probably the Reformed did also. Everyone had a good dinner. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: SusiCP@aol.com > This is to wish everyone a Blessed Safe Holiday Season and a Blessed Safe > Faith filled New Year. > > I would love to learn more about early Xmas.
Also Gentleman meant that they owned considerable land or held in esteem by they fellow peers. I read this in another book describing terms and situations. Susi ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
The giant's came from the fallen angel's who raped the women.That is what the verse means about the sons of God married to the daughter's of man. Christianity has no connection with evolution because Christianity teaches creativity. Satan has always had a counterfeit. I find all evolution to be fiction. You can't get a monkey from a dog and you can't get a horse from a cow because everything seeds back after it's own kind. So, it would be very hard for me to go along with humans coming from blobs, apes or evolution of apes. ect. I don't believe that we all came out of Africa. I have a cd on "The journey of man". Do any of you have that cd? Did you see the tribe we were supposed to have come from. I don't think so.. believe what you will but that pill is too big for me to swallow. Someone, explained to me how our skin turned white from cold climates and wearing clothes and why a Chinese eyes were slanted. ect. None of that made any sense to me. Looks like all the people in tropical climates like Florida would turn black again. Lots of Chinese and Japanese people have been here for generations and their eyes are still slanted. The DNA I find interesting but the stories that go with it are scary. I plan to go to our little Wilhite cemetery before summer and take some pictures. This cemetery is the oldest in Morgan cty. Alabama and once was a beautiful place before an interstate highway diamond around it. The state agreed to keep it cleaned but they have not done that. Frances In a message dated 12/21/2008 4:44:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, persisto@earthlink.net writes: John--I thank you for posting this. I have been meaning to buy this since it first came out nearly some many years ago. I've always been intrigued with one of the first parts of the book of Genesis, which says something to effect of "The Sons of God married the Daughters of Man" and then goes on to say "There were giants on the Earth in those days." The study of Comparative Religion and Comparative Mythology are handmaidena to this DNA work. Alas, o many questions, so few answers. It seems so hard to believe that our collective pyscho-genetic memory is completely wiped out as to where "we" came from. This will be interesting. Craig Kilby On Dec 21, 2008, at 5:49 PM john.blankenbaker@comcast.net wrote > Subject: [GERMANNA] The Seven Daughters of Eve > T > The Seven Daughters of Eve > > This book, by Bryan Sykes, was mentioned here recently. It sounded > interesting and I have just finished reading it. I recommend it to > everyone for a good read. The thesis of book is that ninety-five or > more percent of the people living in Europe are descended from just > seven different women....The last third of the book is fiction as > Mr. Sykes creates women and lives for the seven daughters. Even > though it is fiction, it is still very interesting. One is reminded > that life for our ancestors was not easy. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
The List of Original Germanna Settlers <http://www.germanna.org/original_settlers> on the Germanna website <http://www.germanna.org/> has now been changed to reflect the Hitt area of origin as Rehbach. Thanks for all the input.
John--I thank you for posting this. I have been meaning to buy this since it first came out nearly some many years ago. I've always been intrigued with one of the first parts of the book of Genesis, which says something to effect of "The Sons of God married the Daughters of Man" and then goes on to say "There were giants on the Earth in those days." The study of Comparative Religion and Comparative Mythology are handmaidena to this DNA work. Alas, o many questions, so few answers. It seems so hard to believe that our collective pyscho-genetic memory is completely wiped out as to where "we" came from. This will be interesting. Craig Kilby On Dec 21, 2008, at 5:49 PM john.blankenbaker@comcast.net wrote > Subject: [GERMANNA] The Seven Daughters of Eve > T > The Seven Daughters of Eve > > This book, by Bryan Sykes, was mentioned here recently. It sounded > interesting and I have just finished reading it. I recommend it to > everyone for a good read. The thesis of book is that ninety-five or > more percent of the people living in Europe are descended from just > seven different women....The last third of the book is fiction as > Mr. Sykes creates women and lives for the seven daughters. Even > though it is fiction, it is still very interesting. One is reminded > that life for our ancestors was not easy. >
Ki On Dec 21, 2008, at 5:49 PM, KiwisKeeper@aol.com wrote > Sir Winston Churchill was one of them and in my lineage and that is > through > his grandmother who was a Drake. . Most excellently written message, well put, succinct and understandable. Winston Churchill also wrote a book about the History of the English Speaking Peoples, and was quite serious about an English-Language Union of nations, including the U.S. Roosevelt never had much interest in that idea, those some remnants of that policy do survive, especially in terms of military intelligence. And arguably, few modern leaders could come close to the most excellent use of the English language. I wonder what he would have to say about "r u ok?" and the very sloppy styles of writing we encounter on the web. I was never more embarrassed than when in Cornwall, England in 2001, just after 9/11. My guide on the trip informed me, that the impression of UK rootsweb members, Americans are the most illiterate, horribly grammared, impossible to understand people on the planet. I'm afraid by judging from some of what I read, I have to agree and I had to admit "Guilty as Charged." Apparently I public school system is so broken down that that the language is devolving into a meaningless mush of platitudes. Again thank you for presenting a well written account of your feelings. Craig Kilby
Suzanne ask this question in connection with the Fauquier Co. court minutes to which she referred in a VERY RECENT post: Interesting side note--Present were Jeremiah Darnall and Thomas Harrison, Gentlemen. What would have been their official capacity?? Jeremiah Darnall is almost always listed as present during this time period. My response My reading--I cannot quote an authority for this. Perhaps the scholars and lawyer subscribers can better answer this question. Maybe Hening's Statutes has a reading on this. But I was overwhelmed at a Virginia genealogical gathering a few years ago when one of the instructors brought her collection of books called Henings Statues--many more books than I would want to tackle!!! Even though these folks were not *gentlemen* [meaning good manners, as some of us ladies think they should behave, or sometimes, aristocrat] in the way we might think, this term is almost always used in reference to court or county officials. Although they county clerks or the court clerks signed the documents, they did NOT use the term Gentleman.. These *gentlemen* were magistrates or justices. Here is a quotation from a Kentucky county. Note the use of *gents* They were the magistrates or justices: At a Court of Quarter Sessions held for Madison County [KY] at the house of David Gass, gent. on Tuesday the 7th of March 1787. Present George Adams, John Snoddy, David Gass, John Boyles and Archibald Woods, gents (From Jackie Couture, Madison County, Kentucky, Court Order Book A, 1787-1791 [Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1996], p. 11) E.W.Wallace . **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
First before I lose the URL - this may be of interest _http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/) This is in partial response to the following, submitted by Suzanne. She wrote: The following was located in Fauquier County Va Minute Book 1768-1784: p. 286 Indentures of Lease and Release between Josiah Holtzclaw & Susannah his wife of the one part and Richard Chichester John Hathaway John Wright Jr James Brient and Peter Kamper Sen Trustees for the Presbyterian Society of the other part acknowledged by the said Josiah and Susanna (she being first privily examined as the Law directs) to be their act and deed and with the receit on the said Release endorsed which was also acknowledged by the said Josiah ordered to be recorded. The above is typed exactly as it appears in the Minute Book including spelling, punctuation, or lack thereof. Question:? To which Presbyterian Society or Church does this entry refer? This minute book is also found on microfilm #31614 from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and is available for loan to a Family History Center. Thanks-- Suzanne Collins Matson Response: I have questions to ask: Although I have a lot of John K. Gott's works on early Fauquier Co., as well as a recently published book by Joan W. Peters about tax lists from the Fauquier County Court Clerk's :Loose Papers [this is only one of the subtitle], I have not read either the court minutes nor any abstracts of the Fauquier Co. court minutes. SO-- my question is: Can you provide a DATE for this entry? It must have been before the Revolution as I see from a tithable list for 1778 [William Pickett's Tithable list] there is a Peter Kemper junr, but I don't see in the index a Peter Kemper, Sr. (I looked under the other two spellings of the surname Kamper--there are four listed) and Camper (none listed under that spelling). No wonder my Texas-born great-grandmother nee Amanda Jane Kemper (later Mrs. David F. Williams) of Victoria Texas wrote to a cousin: I am a Presbyterian but grandmother [her maternal grandmother Miller nee Grace from Kentucky] is a Methodist. Many of the descendants of A.J. [as she signed her checks and letters] are Presbyterian to this date. Interesting. The Hornbook of Virginia History lists under Some Historic Places of Worship a good many Presbyterian churches. One of the early ones was Providence Presbyterian Church in Louisa Co. which was completed about 1747. *It is one of the few colonial frame churches still standing.* [p. 213]. The Hornbook, on page 205, gives this information: *Many of the churches are Episcopalian because the Church of England was the established church of the Virginia colony. At times the only denomination tolerated by civil authorities, the Anglican Church was supported throughout the colonial period by public taxation, and its church buildings were erected and maintained at public expense. Fewer churches of other colonial denominations, subject to legal disabilities and dependent solely on their own members for financial support, have survived. In 1786 [after the end of the Revolution] the General assembly formally disestablished the Church of England in Virginia.* (Editors Emily J. Salmon and Edward D. CL. Campbell, Jr. The Hornbook of Virginia History [Richmond: Library of Virginia, 1994, fourth edition) A google.com search for *act of toleration in virginia* turned up a google book entitled. Page 42 concerns Virginia. I believe I saw on the LVA website some petitions by citizens of Virginia concerning this Act. But that was some time ago. Time is bad on my memory. Church and State in American History: Key Documents, Decisions, and Commentary from the Past Three Centuries By John Frederick Wilson, Donald L. Drakeman Contributor John Frederick Wilson Published by Westview Press, 2003 ISBN 0813365589, 9780813365589 438 pages E.W.Wallace a descendant of John Kemper the immigrant and some of his descendants who went to Garrard Co., KY and thence everywhere!!! **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
I am researching the John Brent history in Fairfield Co., SC and trying to trace the family back to Va. Is there anyone on this list with any information on the Brent's in this area of Va.? I would appreciate any help. So far we have been unable to prove parents for John Brent, born 1755 and serving in the Revolutionary War in SC., later moving his family to Ms. This John Brent married Ann Nancy Neely in SC. Jane
All: Marc Wheat, President of the Germanna Foundation, is quoted in a recent article published in the Orange County newspaper, last sentence of the article reads: "He [Marc Wheat] said the Germanna Foundation currently has about 3,000 members across America and in Europe. The link to the full article is here: http://www.orangenews.com/ocn/news/local/article/ germanna_foundation_considers_park/25888 I find this hard to believe, especially when compared to the Morningstar report of 990 tax returns available on the internet. If we had 3,000 members, at $40 per person, that would represent income to the Foundation of $120,000 a year. The current 990 reflects nothing even close to that amount. More like 300 members. I do realize I have to keep in mind that single people like me pay the same amount as a married couple. But still, 3000 members? Marc, or some board member or other knowledgable person, can you please clarify the quote in the newspaper article? Craig Kilby Member, Germanna Memorial Foundation
This was an excellent post John. In late June of this year, Rudi and Anne Schneider took me to the Neander valley near Dusseldorf to see the Neanderthal Museum. It was fascinating and Rudi and I spent about 3 hours there. But I didn't feel a connection to it. The next week we went to the Kraichgau and Rudi, Horst Schmidt-Boecking and I visited the new archaeology exhibit at the Palace at Bruchsal. This is an exhibit of the dig being done on the grounds of a school near Flinnsbach, which we visited 3 years ago thanks to Cary Anderson's Walke cousin from Flinnsbach. After an hour in this new exhibit, I suddenly felt a real connection to it. Perhaps it was because my ancestors came from the area and perhaps I saw an ancestor's bones, or maybe it was just a feeling, but it was very real to me. This exhibit is from the cro magnon epoch and well worth seeing, as there are several thousand artifacts including bones, tools, pottery and weapons. The Germanna Foundation trips have always included a visit to Bruchsal (which is just a few miles from Neuenburg) but I don't know if they saw this new exhibit when they were there this past June. Anyway thanks for the great incite into Mr. Sykes' book. Thom ----- Original Message ----- From: <john.blankenbaker@comcast.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] The Seven Daughters of Eve > The Seven Daughters of Eve > > This book, by Bryan Sykes, was mentioned here recently. It sounded > interesting and I have just finished reading it. I recommend it to > everyone for a good read. > > The thesis of book is that ninety-five or more percent of the people > living in Europe are descended from just seven different women. Some of > these women go back 45,000 years and some are as recent as 10,000 years > ago.
The Seven Daughters of Eve This book, by Bryan Sykes, was mentioned here recently. It sounded interesting and I have just finished reading it. I recommend it to everyone for a good read. The thesis of book is that ninety-five or more percent of the people living in Europe are descended from just seven different women. Some of these women go back 45,000 years and some are as recent as 10,000 years ago. Palaeontologists are agreed that there were three waves of people in Europe. First, were the Neanderthal, then the Cro-Magnons, then a later third group. The Neanderthal were hunters with a small element of food-gathering. Though the Cro-Magnons were distinctly advanced as compared to the Neanderthals, they were still basically hunters. The third group based their survival on farming and animal husbandry with a minor element of hunting. Genetically there is no evidence that the present inhabitants of Europe descended from any of the Neanderthals. There had been a big debate as to whether the third group, the farmers, had ousted the hunters. Were modern Europeans descended from the hunters or the farmers? Generally, the argument went that the farmers had displaced the hunters. Mr. Sykes, his co-workers, and other independent research groups have answered this question. First, they established that modern Europeans fall into seven clans whose maternal inheritances trace back to seven women. Of these seven women, six of them were from the Cro-Magnons, the hunters. Only one modern clan descends from the farmers. The age of the clans can be estimated by the rate at which the mitochondrial DNA has changed. Six of the seven women lived long enough ago that they had to have their origins in the Cro-Magnons. One of these clans is the largest clan in Europe. The seventh daughter is more recent and the location of her descendants indicates she lived in the area of the Middle East where farming originated. Around the world, there is evidence of perhaps thirty-odd women from whom all humans descend. There are more clans in Africa than in any other area and this indicates a longer time that humans have lived there and therefore this is the origin of the human race. The last third of the book is fiction as Mr. Sykes creates women and lives for the seven daughters. Even though it is fiction, it is still very interesting. One is reminded that life for our ancestors was not easy. -- John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net
This is to wish everyone a Blessed Safe Holiday Season and a Blessed Safe Faith filled New Year. I would love to learn more about early Xmas. So hope some respond before I leave to go home for week. Things I recall being told were: Tree goes up Xmas eve. popcorn and berries were trim. Candles lite it and prayed not a fire happened. Xmas was not celebrated in USA or any where until after 1830's or so from the scant things I have read, when commercialism first started to creep in. Early glass bulbs on tree were made in Germany and were reflective so that you used less candles. NOW my MOM had these glorious flower lites that each petal lite up. I wish they would bring those back. I love bubble lites that remind one of candles. I liked the tinsel on the tree also. I have a few of the reflective bulbs that MOM shared with me for our first tree. HUFFMAN HOFFMAN and others Susi ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)
The date is April Court 1771, specifically April 22. I am sorry because I should have included the date. Interesting side note--Present were Jeremiah Darnall and Thomas Harrison, Gentlemen. What would have been their official capacity? Jeremiah Darnall is almost always listed as present during this time period. [Jeremial Darnall was a son-in-law of Hans Jacob Holtzclaw and purchased much of the original Germantown tract of land from the original owners or their heirs.] Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: "Hdanw@aol.com" Hdanw@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Early Presbyterians in Virginia The following was located in Fauquier County Va Minute Book 1768-1784: p. 286 Indentures of Lease and Release between Josiah Holtzclaw & Susannah his wife of the one part and Richard Chichester John Hathaway John Wright Jr James Brient and Peter Kamper Sen Trustees for the Presbyterian Society of the other part acknowledged by the said Josiah and Susanna (she being first privily examined as the Law directs) to be their act and deed and with the receit on the said Release endorsed which was also acknowledged by the said Josiah ordered to be recorded. The above is typed exactly as it appears in the Minute Book including spelling, punctuation, or lack thereof. Question:? To which Presbyterian Society or Church does this entry refer? This minute book is also found on microfilm #31614 from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and is available for loan to a Family History Center. Thanks-- Suzanne Collins Matson Response: SO-- my question is: Can you provide a DATE for this entry?