I can not find a Johann Christian so I am interested in where he fits with my Tobias born 15 July 1708 in Schwaigern and married to Catherine(maybe Walke) abt. 1734 in VA. My other line has Johann Michael Willheit(sic) born 15 Jan. 1668 in Schwaigern married to Anna Marie Hengsteler. Joel, son of Tobias and Catherine(?) married a Mary Wilhite b c 1739, whom I believe remarried a Broyles. I have this Mary b c 1739 and death in Washington County, TN c 1795 I am not sure of Joel's birth date and have his death c 1837 which must be incorrect if Mary's death is correct.. Reynolds, their son, was born 1790 and married 18 Jan. 1818 in Culpeper.

Where can I get a copy of the baptism. That is my line of Wilhites. Thanks, Frances In a message dated 12/28/2008 3:00:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, drcary@cox.net writes: I am wondering about the record of Johann Christian Wilheit's baptism in Schwaigern that Al Welch photographed on the Germanna Tour 2009. I have tried to see if I could make out the spelling, but it seems to be a too grainy to be certain. It does seem to me that it is Wilheit. However, I would like Al's opinion on this. The spelling in Schwaigern has always been reported as Willert and is reported that way on the settler's list. I am not a Wilheit descendent; however, have interest in this family as Tobias Wilheit interacted with my Martin Walck. Al if you see this, I hope you can inform us. Cary Anderson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

I am wondering about the record of Johann Christian Wilheit's baptism in Schwaigern that Al Welch photographed on the Germanna Tour 2009. I have tried to see if I could make out the spelling, but it seems to be a too grainy to be certain. It does seem to me that it is Wilheit. However, I would like Al's opinion on this. The spelling in Schwaigern has always been reported as Willert and is reported that way on the settler's list. I am not a Wilheit descendent; however, have interest in this family as Tobias Wilheit interacted with my Martin Walck. Al if you see this, I hope you can inform us. Cary Anderson

Here is the start page ....about 41 listings http://search.freefind.com/find.html?pageid=r&id=71273558&query=allen&ics=1&fr=0 On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Fred Duncan <wfred.duncan@gmail.com> wrote: > Interested in knowing if any of these Allens in Bute Co., NC belong to you. > Know that at least one of them is out of Fauquier Co., Va. > > Trying to determine if any of them related to William Allen there. > > > http://search.freefind.com/find.html?pageid=r&id=71273558&query=allen&ics=1&fr=40 > > You can respond directly to: wfred.duncan@gmail.com or post here, if > related to germanna colony > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Sali <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Ginny, >> Thankyou for answering as I know now that I just have to wait for the >> right >> one to test. >> By the way my Ellen A. Mason, bn 1810 married Richard R. Allen bn 1799 >> between 1830-1832. Richard and Ellen were both bn VA , Ellen being in >> Culpeper. They were in Ohio by 1850. >> Merry Christmas to all.... >> Sally >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <ginnyp1956@att.net> >> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:22 PM >> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >> >> >> > Sally, >> > I had my uncle, Charles Allen, tested also- not Germanna. I came back >> with >> > 38 12 marker matches and 1 off by one for 25 markers and 2 off by 2 for >> 25 >> > markers. None of them are Allens. His haplogroup was J2 which >> supposedly >> > is >> > not found a lot in the US. There have been over 300 Allen families >> tested. >> > I >> > was told the same thing- wait untiil an Allen shows up to be tested and >> > shows a J2 haplogroup. 37 marker showed no matches. >> > >> > Ginny >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> >> > To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM >> > Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >> > >> > >> >>I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to >> >>Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a >> >>dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of >> Asa >> >>Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) >> >> My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that >> >> has >> >> showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. >> I >> >> was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was >> >> wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? >> >> Thankyou for any assistance... >> >> >> >> Sally Standley >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Fred Duncan > 136 Kirk Adams Road > Angier, North Carolina 27501 > -- Fred Duncan 136 Kirk Adams Road Angier, North Carolina 27501

Interested in knowing if any of these Allens in Bute Co., NC belong to you. Know that at least one of them is out of Fauquier Co., Va. Trying to determine if any of them related to William Allen there. http://search.freefind.com/find.html?pageid=r&id=71273558&query=allen&ics=1&fr=40 You can respond directly to: wfred.duncan@gmail.com or post here, if related to germanna colony On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Sali <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Ginny, > Thankyou for answering as I know now that I just have to wait for the right > one to test. > By the way my Ellen A. Mason, bn 1810 married Richard R. Allen bn 1799 > between 1830-1832. Richard and Ellen were both bn VA , Ellen being in > Culpeper. They were in Ohio by 1850. > Merry Christmas to all.... > Sally > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ginnyp1956@att.net> > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:22 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > > > > Sally, > > I had my uncle, Charles Allen, tested also- not Germanna. I came back > with > > 38 12 marker matches and 1 off by one for 25 markers and 2 off by 2 for > 25 > > markers. None of them are Allens. His haplogroup was J2 which supposedly > > is > > not found a lot in the US. There have been over 300 Allen families > tested. > > I > > was told the same thing- wait untiil an Allen shows up to be tested and > > shows a J2 haplogroup. 37 marker showed no matches. > > > > Ginny > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM > > Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > > > > > >>I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to > >>Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a > >>dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa > >>Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) > >> My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that > >> has > >> showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I > >> was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was > >> wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? > >> Thankyou for any assistance... > >> > >> Sally Standley > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Fred Duncan 136 Kirk Adams Road Angier, North Carolina 27501

(But for all the historians in the group -- how was Advent and Christmas celebrated and what are some historical traditions.) Marilyn, in past years we have had extensive discussion about food and other traditions on this site and it was great fun to learn how the same traditions had come down in families that scattered across the country. I did a PowerPoint program on Christmas traditions for the Olde Mecklenburg Genealogy Society in Charlotte in November. It is too extensive to discuss here, but if anyone is interested, I would be happy to make my research available. Many of the American Christmas customs were brought to America by the German immigrants. The Lutheran Church began the use of the Advent wreath. ptn

I have a copy of the "History of Winchester Presbyterian Church" that contains the early develpment history of the church if anyone would like me to look-up anything in it. Chocy **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Jeremiah Darnall was probably present as one of the Justices who ordered this document to be recorded. Suzanne ________________________________ From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:09:24 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Early Presbyterians in Virginia I'm not sure why Jeremiah Darnall was present, but worth looking into.  He owned 1/3 of the land at Germantown and was also a vestryman of Hamilton  Parish and a Justice in Fauquier Co. 

Suzanne, I came across this information about the Presbyterian church, Turkey Run, in Warrenton: History of the Early American Presbyterian Church by Aprille Cooke McKay, University of Michigan: Turkey Run, Fauquier County, Virginia ca. 1778 In the eastern foothills of the Blue Ridge, between Culpeper and Loudoun and west of Prince William settlement began about 1712, but was sparce. Warrenton, the county seat, was not incorporated until 1810, and the original location on land of Richard Henry Lee contained only twelve lots. In 1773, after _Rev. William Thom_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiot.htm#Rev.%20William%20Thom) was settled at Alexandria and the _Rev. Amos Thompson_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiot.htm#Rev.%20Amos%20Thompson) at Leesburg, mission work was begun by these two men in Fauquier County which crystallized in 1778 in the appearance of Turkey Run as a place for Presbyterian worship. That year it made supplication by name not only for ministers, Mr. Thompson having gone to the wars, but especially for a man to care for a Latin school. That year appointments were made for Turnkey Run in connection with _Kittocktin and Gum Spring:_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/prescongva.htm#Kittocktin) _Hezekiah James Balch_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiob.htm#Rev.%20Hezekiah%20James%20Balch) and _John McMillan_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiom.htm#Rev.%20John%20McMillan) in the spring, _John Slemons_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbios.htm#Rev.%20John%20Slemons) , _Robert Cooper_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbioc.htm#Rev.%20Robert%20Cooper) and _Samuel Waugh_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiow.htm#Rev.%20Samuel%20Waugh) in the fall, the latter into the next year. Thereafter Turkey Run disappears; only on April 3, 1787, the Presbytery of Hanover appointed _Rev. James Waddell_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiow.htm#Rev.%20James%20Waddell) to preach two Sundays in Fauquier County, the Presbytery of Donegal having been divided and jurisdictions in a state of transition. Probably the Presbyterians conducted services in the Episcopal church by that same name about a mile or so from Warrenton, Virginia. Dr. Graham, an historian of the area, supposed that the present Warrenton Church grew out of the service conducted at "Turkey Run in Fauquier County." History is that the Warrenton Church was established on April 13, 1827 by division of the Middleburg congregation gathered and organized by the _Rev. William Williamson_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiow.htm#Rev.%20William%20Williamson2) . I'm not sure why Jeremiah Darnall was present, but worth looking into. He owned 1/3 of the land at Germantown and was also a vestryman of Hamilton Parish and a Justice in Fauquier Co. There was also another Presyterian church in Culpeper Co: Culpeper County, Virginia About 1770, the presbytery began to give earnest heed to its domain east of the Blue Ridge, and on April 10, 1771, a supplication came from Culpeper County which had been erected out of Orange in 1748. It is known as the district to which Lieutenant Governor Alexander Spotswood in 1714 imported miners from the German Palatinate to foster an iron industry in Virginia. The project was abandoned but the Germans remained to work their way up into the foothills of the Ridge. The country is purely rural, and now (1947) with but two Presbyterian congregations in the county, with but 199 members. Places named in the records were Gourdvine River, North Branch of Rappahannock, Culpeper Court House and Captain Conn's at Culpeper Court House. Supply ministers were designated in 1771 and 1772 and about every six months from 1776 to 1780, _Rev. Hugh Vance_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiow.htm#Rev.%20Hugh%20Vance) chiefly, _Rev. William Thom_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiot.htm#Rev.%20William%20Thom) , pastor at _Alexandria_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/prescongva.htm#Alexandria) , _Rev. Stephen Bloomer Balch_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiob.htm#Rev.%20Stephen%20Bloomer%20Balch) , pastor at Georgetown, D.C., _Rev. Hezekiah James Balch_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiob.htm#Rev.%20Hezekiah%20James%20Balch) one month, ,and _Rev. John McKnight_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiom.htm#Rev.%20John%20McKnight) , pastor at _Elk Branch_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/prescongva.htm#Elk%20Branch) . One supplication from upper part of Culpeper County and Orange in Virginia was for a minister to preach the Gospel and teach a grammar school, 1779. It is possible these supplications were a reflex from the work of _Rev. Amos Thompson_ (http://www.mal.net/EarlyPresbyterians/presbiot.htm#Rev.%20Amos%20Thompson) in Loudoun, but at any rate interest died down after 1780. Mission work in the county laid dormant until 1807, when the Presbytery of Winchester began the work which culminated in 1814 in the organization of a Presbyterian Church at Culpeper Court House under the name of Bethesda. >From A History of the Presbytery of Winchester (Synod of Virginia) by Robert Bell Woodworth, 1947. I'll see what else I can find. Barb Price In a message dated 12/21/2008 14:46:33 Pacific Standard Time, holtzclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: The date is April Court 1771, specifically April 22. I am sorry because I should have included the date. Interesting side note--Present were Jeremiah Darnall and Thomas Harrison, Gentlemen. What would have been their official capacity? Jeremiah Darnall is almost always listed as present during this time period. [Jeremial Darnall was a son-in-law of Hans Jacob Holtzclaw and purchased much of the original Germantown tract of land from the original owners or their heirs.] Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: "Hdanw@aol.com" Hdanw@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Early Presbyterians in Virginia The following was located in Fauquier County Va Minute Book 1768-1784: p. 286 Indentures of Lease and Release between Josiah Holtzclaw & Susannah his wife of the one part and Richard Chichester John Hathaway John Wright Jr James Brient and Peter Kamper Sen Trustees for the Presbyterian Society of the other part acknowledged by the said Josiah and Susanna (she being first privily examined as the Law directs) to be their act and deed and with the receit on the said Release endorsed which was also acknowledged by the said Josiah ordered to be recorded. The above is typed exactly as it appears in the Minute Book including spelling, punctuation, or lack thereof. Question:? To which Presbyterian Society or Church does this entry refer? This minute book is also found on microfilm #31614 from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and is available for loan to a Family History C enter. Thanks-- Suzanne Collins Matson Response: SO-- my question is: Can you provide a DATE for this entry? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Ginny, Thankyou for answering as I know now that I just have to wait for the right one to test. By the way my Ellen A. Mason, bn 1810 married Richard R. Allen bn 1799 between 1830-1832. Richard and Ellen were both bn VA , Ellen being in Culpeper. They were in Ohio by 1850. Merry Christmas to all.... Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: <ginnyp1956@att.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > Sally, > I had my uncle, Charles Allen, tested also- not Germanna. I came back with > 38 12 marker matches and 1 off by one for 25 markers and 2 off by 2 for 25 > markers. None of them are Allens. His haplogroup was J2 which supposedly > is > not found a lot in the US. There have been over 300 Allen families tested. > I > was told the same thing- wait untiil an Allen shows up to be tested and > shows a J2 haplogroup. 37 marker showed no matches. > > Ginny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> > To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question > > >>I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to >>Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a >>dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa >>Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) >> My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that >> has >> showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I >> was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was >> wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? >> Thankyou for any assistance... >> >> Sally Standley >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just a reminder -- the line from Hans Thomas tested 5 years with NO THOMAS matches until I finally got my brother on the THOMAS bandwagon (actually not a single 12 marker match of ANY surname) VOILA -- we matched. IT was a memorable day. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: ginnyp1956@att.net To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:22 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA study question Sally, I had my uncle, Charles Allen, tested also- not Germanna. I came back with 38 12 marker matches and 1 off by one for 25 markers and 2 off by 2 for 25 markers. None of them are Allens. His haplogroup was J2 which supposedly is not found a lot in the US. There have been over 300 Allen families tested. I was told the same thing- wait untiil an Allen shows up to be tested and shows a J2 haplogroup. 37 marker showed no matches. Ginny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to >Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a >dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa >Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) > My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that has > showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I > was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was > wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? > Thankyou for any assistance... > > Sally Standley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sally, I had my uncle, Charles Allen, tested also- not Germanna. I came back with 38 12 marker matches and 1 off by one for 25 markers and 2 off by 2 for 25 markers. None of them are Allens. His haplogroup was J2 which supposedly is not found a lot in the US. There have been over 300 Allen families tested. I was told the same thing- wait untiil an Allen shows up to be tested and shows a J2 haplogroup. 37 marker showed no matches. Ginny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] DNA study question >I had my brother do a dna for my Mason line. I have documented back to >Isham B. Mason bn 1775-76, died 1840 in Culpeper, VA but have reached a >dead end. His son, Robert C. Mason married Frances Smith, daughter of Asa >Smith and Barbara Yager of Madison Co., VA. (I descend from Adam Yager) > My question is: There has not been one person with Mason surname that has > showed up in the 12 marker or the 25 marker or the 36 marker results. I > was told that no one from my dna line has possibly tested yet. I was > wondering can your dna be messed up in any way? > Thankyou for any assistance... > > Sally Standley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers,   I must apologize for that awful email that apparently came from my address. I was so shocked, I almost cried. I honestly did NOT send that and have no idea who did. I am at the moment sharing a wireless internet connection with the owners of the building I live in due to construction and perhaps someone accessed my files to play a joke. I don't get home until after 5:00 and my daughter was at her job at the time the email was sent, so I am dumbfounded and a bit frightened. The last thing I would like to do is add more nasty comments to an already unhappy list, especially in such a vulgar way.   Please accept my most sincerely apologies. I'm changing my passwords and making sure all computers are turned off when not in use.   Happy Holidays to all. C. Gottsch  --- On Tue, 12/23/08, drcary@cox.net <drcary@cox.net> wrote: From: drcary@cox.net <drcary@cox.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Needs rname or subject relating to Germanna To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:45 PM ---- drcary@cox.net wrote: From now on, I am going to try to do that to everything from germanna_colonies@ rootsweb.com if it does not have a Germanna surname in the Subject. "I meant to add, or a topic pertinent to Germanna." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---- drcary@cox.net wrote: From now on, I am going to try to do that to everything from germanna_colonies@ rootsweb.com if it does not have a Germanna surname in the Subject. "I meant to add, or a topic pertinent to Germanna."

I agree Ed, Fortunately, I can go to cox.net, and send everything to trash that I do not want to open. From now on, I am going to try to do that to everything from germanna_colonies@ rootsweb.com if it does not have a Germanna surname in the Subject. It takes a click in front of every e-mail to trash and one at Send to Trash. Sorry folks who like to trash each other, but I have more important things to do than open and read such. Cary

_Roster - 1st Alabama Cavalry, USV_ (http://www.1stalabamacavalryusv.com/roster/search_results.asp?page=8&order=id&idChar=W) These are the family of the two brother's who came to Alabama and settled at Wilhite Station in Morgan and Cullman counties, Al. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

These phrases were "explained" as they pertain to scientific study projects but I could not help but think of the science of genealogy DNA projects while I was reading them. Take care. Marilyn TODAY'S CLEAN LAUGH  *Academic Phrases and Meanings*  "It has long been known"... I didn't look up the original reference.  "Three of the samples were chosen for detailed study"... The other results didn't make any sense.  "Typical results are shown"... This is the prettiest graph.  "In my experience"... once.  "In case after case"... twice.  "In a series of cases"... thrice.  "It is believed that"... I think.  "It is generally believed that"... A couple of others think so, too.  "Correct within an order of magnitude"... Wrong.  "According to statistical analysis"... Rumor has it.  "A statistically oriented projection of the significance of these findings"... A wild guess.  "It is clear that much additional work will be required before a complete understanding of this phenomenon occurs"... I don't understand it.  "After additional study by my colleagues"... They don't understand it either. 

I think the reference you found refers to the German Reformed Church glebe at Germantown.  One clue is that one of the neighbors is Jeremiah Darnall who acquired several of the plots belonging to the 1714 settlers.  Jeremiah Darnall was a son-in-law of Hans Jacob Holtzclaw. I don't think it is the same as the Presbyterian Society mentioned in the Fauquier Co VA Minute Book. Comments, clarification, corrections-all appreciated. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: "Hdanw@aol.com" <Hdanw@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:14:18 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Glebe in German Town On or about 21 Dec 2008, this message appreared on this list: The following was located in Fauquier County Va Minute Book  1768-1784: p. 286 Indentures of Lease and Release between Josiah  Holtzclaw & Susannah his wife of the one part and Richard Chichester John  Hathaway John Wright Jr James Brient and Peter Kamper Sen Trustees for the  Presbyterian Society of the other part acknowledged by the said Josiah and  Susanna (she being first privily examined as the Law directs) to be their act  and deed and with the receit on the said Release endorsed which was also  acknowledged by the said Josiah ordered to be recorded. The above is  typed exactly as it appears in the Minute Book including spelling, punctuation,  or lack thereof. Question:? To which Presbyterian Society or Church does  this entry refer? This minute book is also found on microfilm #31614 from  the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and is available for loan to a  Family History Center. Thanks-- Suzanne Collins Matson My response - I believe Suzanne wrote a subsequent answer giving the date  of this document in the year 1771.  (I cannot find that message presently,  but AOL is acting up--again.  Wonder if all those snow storms have  something to do with that?) I pulled down one of my books on Fauquier Co. deeds by John K. Gott and  found this entry concerning a German glebe.  The following is only an  abstract.  I wonder if the religion of the glebe was given in the full  deed.  I know this term is used a good deal for English churches [Church of  England].  Gott used a lot of abbreviations, but I think readers can figure  most of them out. [Golly--I ended this sentence with a preposition.  What will my  dear old HS English teacher think of that!!!\  Or is out a  preposition?] [Fauquier Co., Deed Bk 4] p. 178-180 22 April 1771  B & S [Bargain & Sale] Bet. Peter Hitt,  Jacob Wever [sic], Peter Kemper of Fauq. and Harman Fishback of Culp. Co. of one  part and Tilman Martin .. 24 pds.... lot ... cont. 100 A. whereon Tilman Martin  now lives .. binding on land of Charles Carter of Lan[caster] Co. and Jeremiah  Darnall .. being one of the lotts of land in the German Town formerly set apart  for a German glebe .. signed Peter (X) Hitt, Jacob Wever, Herman Fishback, Peter  Kamper.  Wit:  Thomas Marshall, Tilman Wever, Joseph Martin, Josiah  Holtzclaw.  Rec:  24 June 1771, prov. by o[ath] of Tilman Wever,  Joseph Martin & Josiah Holtzclaw [John K. Gott, Fauquier County, Virginia deeds 1759-1778 [Bowie, MD:  Heritage Books, 1998], p. 114) E.W.Wallace

Ed, Are you from the Wilhite's who settled at Germanna. I don't have my Wilhite papers before me. I know we spell our Wilhite different. My grandmother had an uncle who left here after the Civil war. He went to Texas and bought a farm. He lived to be 114. He owned a lot of proberty in downtown Dallas. I think he was the son of John Jarman Wilhite. Do you have any Holt's in your family? Frances **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Hi all, Can we please focus on the issue at hand -- genealogy? Why must so many clutter up our in-boxes with other issues (like grammar, etc.)? My inbox in the past few days added a few hundred entries and that took about an hour to clear out. Please, let's get back to the important stuff. This may be the last you've heard from me, but, truly, I've enjoyed several years reading the notes from all of you. But what's been happening the past week or so makes me wonder if this is the way I want to spend my time. Please stop the trivial B.S. Happy holidays! Ed P.S. As an English major, I don't expect "proper English grammar"? on this site.? Let's get back to the heart of this site. ? ?