Not to comment one way or the other on the merits or feasibility of this idea, you may want to consider the DNA at ancestry.com. They have recently lowered the cost of their 33 marker Y-chromosome test to $79. This is a very good value. The Family Tree DNA test you refer to is only a 12 marker test. Ancestry.com also supports DNA groups. They are still just getting their DNA stuff off the ground, but I would predict that they will soon become the premier DNA site for genealogy. Rick Waggener   ________________________________ From: Corlee Morris <cmorris575@att.net> To: Germanna List <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:27:34 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] We could build the complete Y-DNA & mtDNA for all Germanna Families My fellow Germanna Descendants, We have a unique opportunity to fill in all of the Y-Chromosome and mtDNA for most of the families that came in 1714 and 1717.  Normally researchers are only able to trace their matrilineal and patrilineal.  The great great grandparents in the middle of the "V" are lost.  But since the two groups of Germans remained close and inter-married we could be able to fill in the Y-Chromosome for all of the Surnames and the mtDNA for all of the female lines. It would also be an interesting study of mutations.  If anyone else is interested, please let me know.  We could all join the Genographic Project and get tested for $99.99. Or we could start a Germanna Project at Family Tree DNA and we could get a group rate of $99 for the same tests.  Sincerely Yours, Corlee Morris Yeager Descendant   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That sounds fantastic. What if we've already been tested through the Genographic Project? Beth On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Corlee Morris <cmorris575@att.net> wrote: > > My fellow Germanna Descendants, > > We have a unique opportunity to fill in all of the Y-Chromosome and mtDNA for most of the families that came in 1714 and 1717. [snip] -- "Body lengths traveled by a Rufous Hummingbird between Alaska and its winter range in Mexico: 49 million." Cornell Lab of Ornithology BirdNotes.

My fellow Germanna Descendants, We have a unique opportunity to fill in all of the Y-Chromosome and mtDNA for most of the families that came in 1714 and 1717. Normally researchers are only able to trace their matrilineal and patrilineal. The great great grandparents in the middle of the "V" are lost. But since the two groups of Germans remained close and inter-married we could be able to fill in the Y-Chromosome for all of the Surnames and the mtDNA for all of the female lines. It would also be an interesting study of mutations. If anyone else is interested, please let me know. We could all join the Genographic Project and get tested for $99.99. Or we could start a Germanna Project at Family Tree DNA and we could get a group rate of $99 for the same tests. Sincerely Yours, Corlee Morris Yeager Descendant

12 09 09 message: Cathi, would love to have any info you have that you are willing to share. Thank you, Joanne Yeager Thorne Let me know if you want a report showing what I have for your line. I'm just doing the first five generations with Nicholas counting as generation one as those generations alone will make a good sized book. Cathi

Marilyn, What Hans/John line? What William? Name of 2nd wife of Hans? Where in Ga.? My John probably died in Tn. My William, b.1789 Va. ended up in Coweta Co Ga. Any dates would be appreciated. Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Thomas DNA > Hi all, the Thomas DNA project has a new match and his last name is > MITCHELL. Apparently descends from one of the Hans/John line since he > ended up in the same area of Georgia as William son of Hans and his second > wife. There are some court cases involving his Mitchell female and three > Thomas men (apparently connected to Jesse, son of Hans) so WHICH ONE was > REALLY INVOLVED with her???. He did not expect to match a Mitchell but was > SURPRIZED to match a THOMAS. More fun. Take care. Marilyn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john.blankenbaker@comcast.net > To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:13 am > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Yager Y-DNA study (?) > > > > > > > > > I hope Craig will tell us more about the Kilby > DNA project. > > -- > John.Blankenbaker@comcast.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ever since I posted that I would accept GEDCOMs (.GED files), I have been inundated with files, the senders asking that their family trees be added to the Germanna Families database at Rootsweb. I have a problem! It is extremely difficult to add other researchers' databases to our main Germanna database if those who send such .GED files haven't made sure that their databases adhere to normal standards for database construction. What I mean is, if you send me a GEDCOM and it is full of errors as far as construction is concerned, it takes me hours, even days, to correct it so that I can add it to the main database. Examples: 1) You enter "places" as: Podunk, VA Podunk, Virginia Podunk, Whatever County, VA Podunk, Whatever County, Virginia Podunk, Whatever Co., VA Podunk, Whatever Co., Virginia 2) You don't enter surnames in your databases in capital letters. It makes it a lot easier to concentrate on surnames if you put them in your database in ALL CAPS. 3) You enter dates such as 3/4/1890. How in the #*^*(* are we to know if that means 03 Apr 1890, or 04 Mar 1890? You are free to use whatever date convention you wish, whether its Day/Month/Year, or Month/Day/Year, just don't use NUMBERS!!!!! The American standard has been to use Month/ Day/Year, while, at the same time, most genealogy researchers (and everyone else in the world) use the Day/Month/Year. Whatever convention you use, don't use a number for the Month!!!!! Dang it, how hard is it to type in 11 Dec 1876, or Dec 11 1876, instead of 11-12-1876, or 12-11-1876? Give us a break! Etc., etc., ad infinitum. Can you see that you must adopt a standard format for entering places and dates in you databases? I really don't care what format you use, but you must use the same format throughout your database!!!!! Let's get it together and use a standardized format for place names! Look at your database. How many different forms of the same place name do you have there? Is there any reason that you can't use ONE standard format for place names? I don't care if you have "just" copied place names from other databases on Ancestry/Rootsweb, when you incorporate them into your database, make adjustments, make corrections, put them right! If you want to enter a person's birth, marriage, or death place as a certain town, look up the county where that town is located and include the COUNTY in the "place", (If you were using a "good" genealogy database program, you would have access to a "Place Finder", which would tell you where any town/city was located. I'm just tired of having to correct place names, where the originators of the databases have used multiple place names, all different (but the same place), and can't seem to use ONE common place name. For Heaven's Sake, why can't you decide one on ONE common place name? Yes, attention to detail is very desirable when entering data into your computer database program. If you're serious in this genealogical study, why can't you be serious in how you enter data into the database? Continuing to be an "Arschloch", I challenge you to "get it right"! Sarge

Andreas asked that I share the following: On this historic date we report that we discovered a 1739 German letter by the Lutheran pastor George Samuel Klug in which he reports his Orange County, Virginia, situation to friends in Pennsylvania. He related that the Lutheran congregation had secured eight Blacks for their pastor, six of which were supposed to grow tobacco under an overseer employed for that purpose. Two Blacks were assigned to work on the pastor's land and new house; the church was already under construction. On the more trivial side, Klug also ordered 2 pounds of tea and was interested in obtaining a traverse flute. Sandra

Can it be determined from the letter whether he expected to purchase the traverse (transverse) flute in Pennsylvania or have it ordered from Europe?  I am interested in letters written back to their home country to requesting items to be sent to the colonies. Suzanne ________________________________ From: Sandra H. Yelton <sehyelton@triad.rr.com> To: "germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:31:20 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] 1739 Klug Letter Andreas asked that I share the following: On this historic date we report that we discovered a 1739 German letter by the Lutheran pastor George Samuel Klug in which he reports his Orange County, Virginia, situation to friends in Pennsylvania.  He related that the Lutheran congregation had secured eight Blacks for their pastor, six of which were supposed to grow tobacco under an overseer employed for that purpose.  Two Blacks were assigned to work on the pastor's land and new house; the church was already under construction.  On the more trivial side, Klug also ordered 2 pounds of tea and was interested in obtaining a traverse flute. Sandra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow researchers: As a volunteer at the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library - LIBRARY SIDE - I have been entering into to our own line data base the contents of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Magazine (finished) and am now entering the contents of another annual journal, called The Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical Society. Once in a while, an article jumps out that is of much broader interest than the Northern Neck (the modern definition of the Northern Neck is the area including Lancaster, Northumberland, Richmond and Westmoreland Counties. Some also include King George and Stafford County, but not true "northern neckers") Of course in days gone by, the Northern Neck encompassed a huge swath of territory including Culpeper and Madison Counties. Those familiar with old warrants, surveys and Northern Neck land grants will easily and immediately recognize the name of James Genn, surveyor. To my surprise and delight, the article I have just come across is titled "The Surveyors" by David Genn of British Columbia, a direct descendant of James Genn, emigrant to Virginia shortly after 1660. In this very entertaining and well written article, we learn more about the Genn family, their origins in London, England (not Scotland, though the author says his origins are unclear) and in Northumberland County. The author takes the story down three generations, with special emphasis on James Genn the surveyor. If anyone wants copies of the article, I can make them at the MBW Library for $5 each, which includes postage. The issue of the magazine in which this is printed is: The Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical Society, Volume 33 (1996) pages 7-16. One of the interesting anecdotes relating to James Genn the surveyor is that George Washington apprenticed under him. To order a copy, send a check to: Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library P.O. Box 97 Lancaster, VA 22503 ATTN: Craig Kilby with a note that you are ordering a copy of this article. Please write the volume number in a note with the check with notation "Genn article". Craig Kilby

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Hi Nancy, I will have Michael contact you and his email address is: _moddenino@germanna.org_ (mailto:moddenino@germanna.org) Sorry for any problems that you might have had with the new web site, it's a work in progress, but it's coming along! Barb Price In a message dated 1/20/2009 06:23:01 Pacific Standard Time, nwills@us.net writes: Original Message: Does anyone know how to get the username and password needed to access the data on the Germanna website? <snip> Answer: Contact Michael Oddenino who is managing the website. The same thing happened to me and to several others. <snip> Thanks for the info, however I do not have his e-mail address. Hopefully he will see this exchange and send to the entire list how we should go about getting access to the Germanna website. My filling out the personal information and sending a message only got me a refusal and my membership is up to date. Nancy Wills ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Original Message: Does anyone know how to get the username and password needed to access the data on the Germanna website? <snip> Answer: Contact Michael Oddenino who is managing the website. The same thing happened to me and to several others. <snip> Thanks for the info, however I do not have his e-mail address. Hopefully he will see this exchange and send to the entire list how we should go about getting access to the Germanna website. My filling out the personal information and sending a message only got me a refusal and my membership is up to date. Nancy Wills

Does anyone know how to get the username and password needed to access the data on the Germanna website? I filled out the request information and was emailed back an "Access denied". I am a member of the Memorial Foundation of the Germanna Colonies. Anyone know the secret? Thanks for any help.

Nancy, you should have your password by now and if you have any problems let us know. On the new Germanna website most of the content is free and open to the public but there is a premium content portion which is for members only. Anyone that needs a password for the website can follow these easy steps: 1) Members with current dues paid can simply request a password by sending an email request through this link: http://germanna.org/contact_us 2) If you are member that wants to bring your dues current or not yet a member and want to become one, that can be done through this link: http://www.germanna.org/catalog/4/membership Please bear with us as this website has been a major construction project and we are still ironing out the bumps. Also, Germanna would love to get feedback from people on the website and that can be done by posting a message on the Germanna Message Board: http://www.germanna.org/germana_message_board or sending an email to foundation@germanna.org The web designers have been working very hard to put this site together and it already has many exciting new features. Little by little we expect to get it fully operational. Nancy F. Wills wrote: > Does anyone know how to get the username and password needed to access the data on the Germanna website? I filled out the request information and was emailed back an "Access denied". I am a member of the Memorial Foundation of the Germanna Colonies. Anyone know the secret? Thanks for any help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Contact Michael Oddenino who is managing the website.  The same thing happened to me and to several others. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Nancy F. Wills <nwills@us.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:56:20 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Membership to Germanna Website Does anyone know how to get the username and password needed to access the data on the Germanna website?  I filled out the request information and was emailed back an "Access denied".  I am a member of the Memorial Foundation of the Germanna Colonies.  Anyone know the secret?  Thanks for any help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a small start to our discussion to the recent discussion of the English/German intermarriges, please see my recent post to the Germanna Foundation web site message board. It goes without saying that many moree xamaples abound. This is just a very small start on correcting the records. -- Craig Kilby http://germanna.org/germana_message_board#comment-55

> This list has recently requested more information about the > interaction and intermarriages of German and English families. > I wonder if anyone has found a connection with a Bennett family who migrated to N.C. about the same time the Holt family came to SEGuilford/Alamance area. They settled close to each other. This is my brick wall at Elijah Bennett. Thanks for any help.

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This list has recently requested more information about the interaction and intermarriages of German and English families. I gave a presentation on this very topic to the 2003 Germanna annual reunion. Perhaps it survives in their archives, and if so, it can hopefully be retrieved and put on the Germanna web site. For purposes of my presentation, I used the 1845 Towles family lawsuit in Madison County, plus a great deal of information from my own research. It by no means covered ALL of the German/English relationships, but was a good study into the issue. Craig Kilby P.S. I will be in Culpeper/Madison on a research trip next week. If anyone has a particular issue or document they need, please write me off list. I plan to stop by the Germanna Foundation on my way up there and will see if they can find my 2003 presentation.

While perusing film of deed indexes of Henderson Co., KY, which films I borrowed from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, I noted a number of deeds for Wilhoit. If you have relatives in that part of Kentucky, you may want to see some cemetery inscriptions which are online. These are at Fernwood Cemetery in Henderson Co., KY. I have no further details. E.W.Wallace www.hendersonkyhistory.com/FernW15.htm **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)