Marilyn, well put! Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:22 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] LDS records Just thought that I would pass along some info on LDS records that it took me years to learn. Most of you probably already know that many of the files are submitted by researchers and like many doing genealogy -- some are good researchers and some are less than good. Some are happy just collecting names and dates and some won't submit anything without a source for the material. BUT when using the IGI portion of the records if you see a B, a C or a M in the Batch number -- that info was taken from an actual Birth, Christening or Marriage Record -- church or county records. It is still helpful to gaze upon the actual record yourself because you know the family better and can sometimes understand the spelling of a name rather than guessing at the spelling in old records. At least you know a date and a location to get an actual record. So look for those letters when working in IGI files and as far as the ancestral files-- CAUTION. Take care. Marilyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just thought that I would pass along some info on LDS records that it took me years to learn. Most of you probably already know that many of the files are submitted by researchers and like many doing genealogy -- some are good researchers and some are less than good. Some are happy just collecting names and dates and some won't submit anything without a source for the material. BUT when using the IGI portion of the records if you see a B, a C or a M in the Batch number -- that info was taken from an actual Birth, Christening or Marriage Record -- church or county records. It is still helpful to gaze upon the actual record yourself because you know the family better and can sometimes understand the spelling of a name rather than guessing at the spelling in old records. At least you know a date and a location to get an actual record. So look for those letters when working in IGI files and as far as the ancestral files-- CAUTION. Take care. Marilyn

What seem to me to be a very long time ago, I started researching my own JOHNSON family. Does anyone know just how common the surname JOHNSON is? I found that in order to positively identify the individual that I had to have multiple records to confirm that individual. A common name does not cut it! What I have today on this line is that there were 5 children born in GA in the 1790's... There is where it ends! My opinion being that without corroborative record we have only a same name person (not necessarily family). I found a family record in Owen County, KY that the researcher got off on a tangent and assumed the wrong William JOHNSON... The question becomes, is a Church Record enough to identify an individual? Later... -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:22 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] LDS records Just thought that I would pass along some info on LDS records that it took me years to learn. Most of you probably already know that many of the files are submitted by researchers and like many doing genealogy -- some are good researchers and some are less than good. Some are happy just collecting names and dates and some won't submit anything without a source for the material. BUT when using the IGI portion of the records if you see a B, a C or a M in the Batch number -- that info was taken from an actual Birth, Christening or Marriage Record -- church or county records. It is still helpful to gaze upon the actual record yourself because you know the family better and can sometimes understand the spelling of a name rather than guessing at the spelling in old records. At least you know a date and a location to get an actual record. So look for those letters when working in IGI files and as far as the ancestral files-- CAUTION. Take care. Marilyn

Bonnie, Not sure what version of Family tree that you have but you can go to EDIT and then find and replace and put your Tanner in first and then TANNER on the next line -- make sure that you check MATCH CASE -- then check REPLACE ALL. It will replace in the notes section and everywhere. Sadly, I can't do the same thing for THOMAS because there are too many people in my large file with that as a first name. I had to do the same thing when I learned the correct spelling of Culpeper -- I had entered it in lots of places as Culpepper. Have fun. Take care. Marilyn

I don't think I worded that clearly. The original church records are available for viewing through the local LDS library. I meant, don't go by what someone has already submitted to the LDS because there are a lot of mistakes in these submissions. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:38 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Don, I would go back to the original church record book, not the LDS records. I think that the Willet and Wilheit family are two separate families. I remember that the name Wilheit was clearly spelled out like that in the church records. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:17 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Elke, I just went back to LDS and did some more nosing. Here is the current standings for what I found: [Otherwise, I know nothing!] Descendants of Johann Andreas Willet or Willheit Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR1 WILLHEIT He married ANNA MARIE BUSCH. Notes for JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR WILLHEIT: LDS Film Number: 537948 Notes for ANNA MARIE BUSCH: LDS Film Number: 537948 Child of JOHANN WILLHEIT and ANNA BUSCH is: 2. i. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL2 WILLET, b. May 16, 1677, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Generation No. 2 2. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL2 WILLET (JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR1 WILLHEIT) was born May 16, 1677 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. He married BARBARA DIETER Feb 20, 1703 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, daughter of MICHAEL DIETER and MARIE HOFFARTH. She was born Jan 13, 1680 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Notes for JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL WILLET: LDS Film Number: 537948 Notes for BARBARA DIETER: LDS Film Number: 537948 More About JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER: Marriage: Feb 20, 1703, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg Children of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER are: i. HANS MATTHÄUS3 WILLHEIT, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany); b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany); d. Dec 30, 1785. More About HANS WILLHEIT and SUSANNA LEDERER: Marriage: Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany) ii. MARIA KATHARINE WILLET, b. Nov 04, 1705, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; d. Nov 05, 1705. Notes for MARIA KATHARINE WILLET: LDS Film Number: 537948 -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:45 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Don, this really requires more research. When I look at the dates, Hans Matthaeus Wilheit could almost also be a son of Johann Michael Wilheit. Johann Michael Wilheit's first wife Anna Dorothea Mueller died in 1705 in Schwaigern and he remarried Anna Maria Hengstler on 16 Feb 1705. Johann Michael also had a son Mathaeus who sold a tract of land on Muddy Run near Robinson River to Adam Wayland on 15 March 1764. (Culpeper County Deeds, Vol. III 1762-1765) However, his wife's name was Mary. Maybe she was his second wife? Does anyone know more about this Mathaeus? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Following is what I picked up at LDS: [NOT Proven by me!] Descendants of Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL1 WILLET1. He married BARBARA DIETER1. Child of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER is: i. HANS MATTHAEUS2 WILLET2, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER2, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Endnotes 1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009. 2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009, Film #: 537948. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Well Now! This is interesting! According to LDS Film Number:537948 his father is listed as Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet and mother as Barbara Dieter... ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, I would go back to the original church record book, not the LDS records. I think that the Willet and Wilheit family are two separate families. I remember that the name Wilheit was clearly spelled out like that in the church records. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:17 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Elke, I just went back to LDS and did some more nosing. Here is the current standings for what I found: [Otherwise, I know nothing!] Descendants of Johann Andreas Willet or Willheit Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR1 WILLHEIT He married ANNA MARIE BUSCH. Notes for JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR WILLHEIT: LDS Film Number: 537948 Notes for ANNA MARIE BUSCH: LDS Film Number: 537948 Child of JOHANN WILLHEIT and ANNA BUSCH is: 2. i. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL2 WILLET, b. May 16, 1677, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Generation No. 2 2. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL2 WILLET (JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR1 WILLHEIT) was born May 16, 1677 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. He married BARBARA DIETER Feb 20, 1703 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, daughter of MICHAEL DIETER and MARIE HOFFARTH. She was born Jan 13, 1680 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Notes for JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL WILLET: LDS Film Number: 537948 Notes for BARBARA DIETER: LDS Film Number: 537948 More About JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER: Marriage: Feb 20, 1703, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg Children of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER are: i. HANS MATTHÄUS3 WILLHEIT, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany); b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany); d. Dec 30, 1785. More About HANS WILLHEIT and SUSANNA LEDERER: Marriage: Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany) ii. MARIA KATHARINE WILLET, b. Nov 04, 1705, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; d. Nov 05, 1705. Notes for MARIA KATHARINE WILLET: LDS Film Number: 537948 -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:45 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Don, this really requires more research. When I look at the dates, Hans Matthaeus Wilheit could almost also be a son of Johann Michael Wilheit. Johann Michael Wilheit's first wife Anna Dorothea Mueller died in 1705 in Schwaigern and he remarried Anna Maria Hengstler on 16 Feb 1705. Johann Michael also had a son Mathaeus who sold a tract of land on Muddy Run near Robinson River to Adam Wayland on 15 March 1764. (Culpeper County Deeds, Vol. III 1762-1765) However, his wife's name was Mary. Maybe she was his second wife? Does anyone know more about this Mathaeus? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Following is what I picked up at LDS: [NOT Proven by me!] Descendants of Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL1 WILLET1. He married BARBARA DIETER1. Child of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER is: i. HANS MATTHAEUS2 WILLET2, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER2, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Endnotes 1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009. 2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009, Film #: 537948. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Well Now! This is interesting! According to LDS Film Number:537948 his father is listed as Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet and mother as Barbara Dieter... ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Elke! Very understood. I missed putting my disclaimer in the last message. ...back to school this morning! ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:41 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet I don't think I worded that clearly. The original church records are available for viewing through the local LDS library. I meant, don't go by what someone has already submitted to the LDS because there are a lot of mistakes in these submissions. Elke <snip>

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I couldn't even update my membership online - have sent a note so I assume it also will get taken care of. The google check out seems to think I have an account but won't take any of my passwords or give me a new one. Maybe between my note to Germanna and this list I will get it fixed. Bonnie S. Knauss -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy F. Wills Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:22 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Membership to Germanna Website Original Message: Does anyone know how to get the username and password needed to access the data on the Germanna website? <snip>

Sarge, Thank you for your description of the problems associated with using our databases. I still intend to send you a genealogy report to update the Tanner genealogy - but looks like there are a number of things I need to do first. Like many others I didn't know proper formats when I started building my database. Is there a way to convert all my surnames to all caps in Family Tree without going in and doing each individually- with 15000 people that could take a lifetime? I'm open to any suggestions for cleaning up some of the problems. Bonnie S. Knauss Original message: "It is extremely difficult to add other researchers' databases to our main Germanna database if those who send such .GED files haven't made sure that their databases adhere to normal standards for database construction. What I mean is, if you send me a GEDCOM and it is full of errors as far as construction is concerned, it takes me hours, even days, to correct it so that I can add it to the main database. 2) You don't enter surnames in your databases in capital letters. It makes it a lot easier to concentrate on surnames if you put them in your database in ALL CAPS."

Don, this really requires more research. When I look at the dates, Hans Matthaeus Wilheit could almost also be a son of Johann Michael Wilheit. Johann Michael Wilheit's first wife Anna Dorothea Mueller died in 1705 in Schwaigern and he remarried Anna Maria Hengstler on 16 Feb 1705. Johann Michael also had a son Mathaeus who sold a tract of land on Muddy Run near Robinson River to Adam Wayland on 15 March 1764. (Culpeper County Deeds, Vol. III 1762-1765) However, his wife's name was Mary. Maybe she was his second wife? Does anyone know more about this Mathaeus? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Following is what I picked up at LDS: [NOT Proven by me!] Descendants of Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL1 WILLET1. He married BARBARA DIETER1. Child of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER is: i. HANS MATTHAEUS2 WILLET2, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER2, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Endnotes 1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009. 2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009, Film #: 537948. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Well Now! This is interesting! According to LDS Film Number:537948 his father is listed as Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet and mother as Barbara Dieter... ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elke, I just went back to LDS and did some more nosing. Here is the current standings for what I found: [Otherwise, I know nothing!] Descendants of Johann Andreas Willet or Willheit Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR1 WILLHEIT He married ANNA MARIE BUSCH. Notes for JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR WILLHEIT: LDS Film Number: 537948 Notes for ANNA MARIE BUSCH: LDS Film Number: 537948 Child of JOHANN WILLHEIT and ANNA BUSCH is: 2. i. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL2 WILLET, b. May 16, 1677, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Generation No. 2 2. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL2 WILLET (JOHANN ANDREAS WILLET OR1 WILLHEIT) was born May 16, 1677 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. He married BARBARA DIETER Feb 20, 1703 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, daughter of MICHAEL DIETER and MARIE HOFFARTH. She was born Jan 13, 1680 in Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Notes for JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL WILLET: LDS Film Number: 537948 Notes for BARBARA DIETER: LDS Film Number: 537948 More About JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER: Marriage: Feb 20, 1703, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg Children of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER are: i. HANS MATTHÄUS3 WILLHEIT, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany); b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany); d. Dec 30, 1785. More About HANS WILLHEIT and SUSANNA LEDERER: Marriage: Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany) ii. MARIA KATHARINE WILLET, b. Nov 04, 1705, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; d. Nov 05, 1705. Notes for MARIA KATHARINE WILLET: LDS Film Number: 537948 -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:45 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Don, this really requires more research. When I look at the dates, Hans Matthaeus Wilheit could almost also be a son of Johann Michael Wilheit. Johann Michael Wilheit's first wife Anna Dorothea Mueller died in 1705 in Schwaigern and he remarried Anna Maria Hengstler on 16 Feb 1705. Johann Michael also had a son Mathaeus who sold a tract of land on Muddy Run near Robinson River to Adam Wayland on 15 March 1764. (Culpeper County Deeds, Vol. III 1762-1765) However, his wife's name was Mary. Maybe she was his second wife? Does anyone know more about this Mathaeus? Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Matthau's Willet Following is what I picked up at LDS: [NOT Proven by me!] Descendants of Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL1 WILLET1. He married BARBARA DIETER1. Child of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER is: i. HANS MATTHAEUS2 WILLET2, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER2, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Endnotes 1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009. 2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009, Film #: 537948. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Well Now! This is interesting! According to LDS Film Number:537948 his father is listed as Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet and mother as Barbara Dieter... ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don

Following is what I picked up at LDS: [NOT Proven by me!] Descendants of Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN MICHAEL OR HANS MICHAEL1 WILLET1. He married BARBARA DIETER1. Child of JOHANN WILLET and BARBARA DIETER is: i. HANS MATTHAEUS2 WILLET2, b. Jan 03, 1704, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; m. SUSANNA BARBARA LEDERER2, Jan 20, 1728, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg; b. Oct 01, 1706, Schwaigern, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg. Endnotes 1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009. 2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R), Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of January 25, 2009, Film #: 537948. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:03 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Well Now! This is interesting! According to LDS Film Number:537948 his father is listed as Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet and mother as Barbara Dieter... ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well Now! This is interesting! According to LDS Film Number:537948 his father is listed as Johann Michael or Hans Michael Willet and mother as Barbara Dieter... ~don -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elke Hall Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit I think he was the brother of Johann Michael Wilheit, the immigrant. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Hanss Matthäus Willheit Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if or how Hanss Matthäus Willheit, whom married Susanna Barbara Lederer on Jan 20, 1728 at Schwaigern, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany), is related to our Germanna Wilhite family? Thanks in advance! ~don

Cary, it could also be that the Motz family was one of the families who emigrated from Austria. Several stopped off first for a few years in the area around Ansbach and then moved further west to the Kraichgau. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cary Anderson Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:40 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Motz/Lang 1717 of Bonfeld I have more exact data regarding Johannes Motz who came in 1717 group to Germanna. I started reading the microfilm of Bonfeld church records and found the birth of a son of Johannes Motz. I didn't have time to get into the marriages and deaths. But this will be much easier when I get back to the family history center. One of the first book I purchased on German immigration has been on my book shelf since sometime in the 1980s! I even had the page marked, but don't know what track I got off. The book: Annette Kunselman Burgert, EIGHTEENTH CENTURY EMIGRANTS FROM GERMAN-SPEAKNG LANDS TO NORTH AMERICA: VOLUME: I, THE NORTHERN KRAICHGAU (Breinigsville, Pennsylvania, The Pennsylvaina German Society, 1983, pp 262-263. 383. Motz, Hans _________, 1717 > > Bonfeld emigrant list: Hans Motz with wife. BONFELD LUTHERAN KB [Kirchenbuch/churchbook] married 28 February 1716 Johannes Motz, son of the late Galli Motz, citizen at Ditzingen, Leonberger Ambts, and Maria Apollonia, daughter of Johann Leonhard Maubars, citizen at Hecklingen [Hechlingen] in the Markgrafschaft Anspach, near Gunzenhausen. They had: 1. Johann Simon b. 28 Oct. 1716, d. 29 Oct. 1716. p263: American records: This immigrant has been identified by Klaus Wust as a passenger on Captain Scott's ship from London to Virginia in 1717. (HEBRON CHURCH REGISTER, 1750-1825, Madison, VA., Vol. 1, by George M. Smith, Introduction by Klaus Wust, p. XII.) Hecklingen is some distance from Ditzingen as well as Bonfeld. Ditzingen is just north of Stuttgart and Hecklingen is guite a distance east. It is about 70 miles east, southeast of Bonfeld. So neither Johannes Motz nor his wife Maria Apollonia Maubars were born in Bonfeld. Both families, I suspect, migrated there after the horrible 1708 great freeze. There is a list of emmigrants from Bonfeld taken from a church register of Bonfeld. Briefly, 6 families left in 1710. 23 families left in 1717 4 families left in 1727 4 families left in 1738. This is 37 families in all. Bonfeld is still a rather small village not too far from Schwaigern. There is no Lang in the Bonfeld emigrants list. So, I think it is back to square one for the George Lang. I thought that he was the only one with no village identified the last time I looked at the old list. However, there are Langs in the Bonfeld church records. I think I even may have spotted a Walck, but don't know for sure. It may be Welck, buyt Welck is a form of Welcker which becomes Walk or Walke. I can see how someone from that area of Germany coming over to Germanna, Virginia, could get Hans Martin Walck's surname confused and spell it as they had known a similar name back in the old barony--Walke. There is only one time it is spelled Walke in Germanna area that I have found and I believe it was in connection with some dealing with a Wilhite from Schwaigern which is only a hop, skip, and jump from Bonfeld. Cary The great freeze of 1708 began a mass migration to try to find a way to survive. Does anyone know what Bonfeld had that would attract people from afar. I do know that der Kraichgau is one of the warmer spots in Germany. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

23 families left in 1717 Dr Cary, I don't suppose Johannes THOMA was in that group. I know it has been thought possible that he was on Capt Scott's ship. -- We have him at Point A and also apparently at Point B but just can't transport him between the two. <sigh>. I have been busy in Salt Lake and now at home working on the American line of his son, Hans/John whose sons went on to Franklin Co., GA. FUN. Take care all. Marilyn

Yep, just do the best you can with what you have, right? I really have NOTHING of my own work from the German records so have to rely on all of you experts. Certainly experts in my book --, I wanted to mention something else at this point also-- it was absolutely wonderful to meet so many of you at the Germanna reunion in 2007 and now when I read emails from you -- I can picture you in my mind. What a joy. Take care all. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thomas family file Marilyn, Sometimes, you just have to do the way it makes sense to you. I suppose you haven't seen Picklebuehler found down in the Rowan/Forsyth Counties area of North Carolina. Just a bit of what happens after 20 years of trying to decide the first name of one of my ancestors. It appeared there were two daughters named Mary. Finally, I found records that were clearly Macy. There was another daughter named Mary. Well, I organized all the proofs as I had always done when preparing lineage papers to be submitted to DAR. Approval was given. The certificate came back with the name MARY! Someone reviewing the papers had marked through Macy and substituted Mary. The document I submitted to show that Macy was the name clearly showed a "c" not a "r". My cousin just told me not to worry about it, at least she had her Overton line approved by DAR. Everyone makes goofs. So, what is one to do. Smile and get on with the task at hand. Cary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have more exact data regarding Johannes Motz who came in 1717 group to Germanna. I started reading the microfilm of Bonfeld church records and found the birth of a son of Johannes Motz. I didn't have time to get into the marriages and deaths. But this will be much easier when I get back to the family history center. One of the first book I purchased on German immigration has been on my book shelf since sometime in the 1980s! I even had the page marked, but don't know what track I got off. The book: Annette Kunselman Burgert, EIGHTEENTH CENTURY EMIGRANTS FROM GERMAN-SPEAKNG LANDS TO NORTH AMERICA: VOLUME: I, THE NORTHERN KRAICHGAU (Breinigsville, Pennsylvania, The Pennsylvaina German Society, 1983, pp 262-263. 383. Motz, Hans _________, 1717 > > Bonfeld emigrant list: Hans Motz with wife. BONFELD LUTHERAN KB [Kirchenbuch/churchbook] married 28 February 1716 Johannes Motz, son of the late Galli Motz, citizen at Ditzingen, Leonberger Ambts, and Maria Apollonia, daughter of Johann Leonhard Maubars, citizen at Hecklingen [Hechlingen] in the Markgrafschaft Anspach, near Gunzenhausen. They had: 1. Johann Simon b. 28 Oct. 1716, d. 29 Oct. 1716. p263: American records: This immigrant has been identified by Klaus Wust as a passenger on Captain Scott's ship from London to Virginia in 1717. (HEBRON CHURCH REGISTER, 1750-1825, Madison, VA., Vol. 1, by George M. Smith, Introduction by Klaus Wust, p. XII.) Hecklingen is some distance from Ditzingen as well as Bonfeld. Ditzingen is just north of Stuttgart and Hecklingen is guite a distance east. It is about 70 miles east, southeast of Bonfeld. So neither Johannes Motz nor his wife Maria Apollonia Maubars were born in Bonfeld. Both families, I suspect, migrated there after the horrible 1708 great freeze. There is a list of emmigrants from Bonfeld taken from a church register of Bonfeld. Briefly, 6 families left in 1710. 23 families left in 1717 4 families left in 1727 4 families left in 1738. This is 37 families in all. Bonfeld is still a rather small village not too far from Schwaigern. There is no Lang in the Bonfeld emigrants list. So, I think it is back to square one for the George Lang. I thought that he was the only one with no village identified the last time I looked at the old list. However, there are Langs in the Bonfeld church records. I think I even may have spotted a Walck, but don't know for sure. It may be Welck, buyt Welck is a form of Welcker which becomes Walk or Walke. I can see how someone from that area of Germany coming over to Germanna, Virginia, could get Hans Martin Walck's surname confused and spell it as they had known a similar name back in the old barony--Walke. There is only one time it is spelled Walke in Germanna area that I have found and I believe it was in connection with some dealing with a Wilhite from Schwaigern which is only a hop, skip, and jump from Bonfeld. Cary The great freeze of 1708 began a mass migration to try to find a way to survive. Does anyone know what Bonfeld had that would attract people from afar. I do know that der Kraichgau is one of the warmer spots in Germany. Cary