I have to agree with Jeff's assessment. The only participants who will have meaningful results are males with a direct all male line back to a male Germanna Colonist for Y-DNA testing or males and females with a direct all female line back to a female Germanna Colonist. For example, my Dad was able to participate in the Clore family Y-DNA project as he is a direct male descendant of Germanna Colonist Michael Clore. My brother could also participate with meaningful Y-DNA results but neither could participate with meaningful mt-DNA results as our mother and grandmother don't have an ounce of Germanna DNA. In fact if my brother and I go back matrilinealy, our ancestry is not even German. John Blankenbaker has a direct all male line back to a Germanna Colonist so he is an excellent candidate for the Germanna DNA group. Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duvall, Jeffery A" <jduvall@iupui.edu> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] DNA Testing >I find the idea of DNA testing quite fascinating, but I'm not sure if there >would be any point to someone in my situation taking part in this type of >study. My descent from several of the Germanna Colonists is all >well-documented, but it's through my mother's maternal grandmother, Mrs. >Leola Kemper Fuller (1877-1963) of Carroll Co., KY, so there's no Y-DNA to >contribute to the study. Likewise, even though my great-grandmother's >parents were second cousins (once-removed), and shared a common descent >from Tillman and Dinah Hitt Kemper, the Mt-DNA goes back to woman with no >known link to the Germanna Colony. So, while I appreciate the fact that the >study is taking place, I don't really see how I could participate in any >meaningful way. I'd be curious to find out if others on the list agree >with my assessment of the situation, or am I missing something here. > > Thanks. > > Jeff Duvall

The unique thing about the Germanna DNA Project is that we have the potential to discover the deep ancestry of all of our Germanna Great Great Grandparents because they married and migrated with their fellow Germanna Cousins. So even if you do not have a Germanna Y-Chromosome or a Germanna mtDNA Chromosome, you may be able to fill all of the great great grandparents in between your matrilineal and patrilineal lines. Sincerely yours, Corlee Ann Morris Acting Germanna DNA Project Administrator

http://germanna.org/node/161

Thank you for the leads, and I did have a typo in there, you're correct it does figure out to be he was born abt 1793., Please excuse my error, as I am the person posting the Compiler's note. Tonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Blum" <sandiblum@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr ofSamuel and ? Blankenbacker) COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA married Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss Blankenbacker, is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter, who married Laban Yager ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? NOTE: I don't think that the dates of birth for Fielding Smith Sr. who marr. Rhoda Carpenter agree with each other as shown in Compiler's note and the article. In the article it says that Fielding Smith died in 1829 at the age of 36....which means he was born: 1793 and Rhoda the wife died in 1888 at the age of 91 making her born 1797. If the article is correct, then I do not believe that Rhoda Carpenter would have been the wife of the Fielding Smith listed in the "NOTE" as born in 1703. Samuel Carpenter who marr. Margaret Blankenbaker is shown (on line researcher's work) as the son of John Carpenter jr. (ZIMMERMANN) and wife, Eva Dorothea Cook. John Carpenter or Zimmermann is shown as marr. to Anna Kerker. Carpenter/Zimmermann's homeland is Salzburg, Germany --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Wetaunah Cates <tonniec@windstream.net> wrote: From: Wetaunah Cates <tonniec@windstream.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr of Samuel and ? Blankenbacker) To: GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 11:09 AM COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA married Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss Blankenbacker, is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter, who married Laban Yager ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? I am interested mainly in the SMITH families. Does anyone have the extentions on the descendants lines of the afore mentioned Downing and Wm D Smith families? Some online family trees show Fielding Smith's place of death in Hendricks, Indiana, and Rhoda Carpenter Smith's place of death in Missouri ??? Can anybody clarify any of this info, as this book source stated, they died in VA. ? My long time brick wall has been a Zebulon D Smith, b. 1759, NC or what was then Sullivan, VA, d 1832 now Sullivan or Washington, Tennessee. Married Sarah Dungan 1760-1860 she being born/died in Tennsessee, or say they say... I realize Tenn was not even a state at her birthdate, so am assuming it was VA?. No one in our lines knows what the D in his name stood for, his Rev War files do not enlighten us either... but what catches my attention, is the fact, that Zeb' s son, Jeremiah D Smith, removed from VA / Tenn, to Hensley, Johnson, Indiana, and we have numerous Fielding Smiths in his descendants. Maybe someone can give me a few leads, perhaps on who the parents of Zebulon D Smith parents were? Thank you for any help at all Tonnie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In case anyone is interested in reading further, it is from a very lengthy series entitled The Carter Genealogy by Joseph Lyon Miller published beginning 1909.  The particular issue referenced by you was published July 1911, p. 38-51. Suzanne Collins Matson ________________________________ From: Jeff Aylor <jaylor@jaylhouse.com> To: GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:58:38 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Margaret Kaifer Crigler and daughter Anna Crigler Jelf/Chelf Hello Listers, In attempting to clean up my sources, I ran across a copy of an article from "William and Mary Quarterly", Series 1, Vol 20, p 45-47.  Unfortunately, I didn't copy enough of the article to know what it is primarlily about.  However, the main piece in question is the following text from p.46: "Susanna Davis [...] married James Jelf of Lincoln Co KY. [...] He was the third son of Isaac Jelf [...] and his wife Anna Crigler (born Dec 16, 1765, died in 1854) daughter of Nicholas and Margaret Aylor Crigler. [...]" [note it later says: Jelf = Chelf] My sources and all of the notes from G_C archive say that Nicholas Crigler's wife was Margaret Kaifer (not Margaret Aylor), but I don't have an original source for that information.  How do we know that her name was Kaifer?  Also, any idea where this notion came from that her name was Aylor?  (I am assuming this to be incorrect) Thanks, -Jeff Aylor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, In attempting to clean up my sources, I ran across a copy of an article from "William and Mary Quarterly", Series 1, Vol 20, p 45-47. Unfortunately, I didn't copy enough of the article to know what it is primarlily about. However, the main piece in question is the following text from p.46: "Susanna Davis [...] married James Jelf of Lincoln Co KY. [...] He was the third son of Isaac Jelf [...] and his wife Anna Crigler (born Dec 16, 1765, died in 1854) daughter of Nicholas and Margaret Aylor Crigler. [...]" [note it later says: Jelf = Chelf] My sources and all of the notes from G_C archive say that Nicholas Crigler's wife was Margaret Kaifer (not Margaret Aylor), but I don't have an original source for that information. How do we know that her name was Kaifer? Also, any idea where this notion came from that her name was Aylor? (I am assuming this to be incorrect) Thanks, -Jeff Aylor

KING, Solomon (1803-1882) m Mary Unk; KING, Benjamin S (see below) KING, John Calvin (1827-1882) KING, Gabriel, b 1828 KING, Lewis John (1836-1882) KING, Eliza, b 1832 KING, Isabella, b 1834 KING, Demarius (1836-1855) KING, Angeline, b 1838 KING, Benjamin S (1826-1896) m Mary Ann Nichols (1831-1890) KING, James Monroe (1850-1923) KING, John Louis (see below) KING, Mary Benton, b 1858 KING, Melisse, b 1862 KING, Malisa T b 1866 KING, John Louis (1855-1932) m Emma Lee O'Neal (1858-1931) KING, John Calvin, b.1883 KING, Arthur Newton (1883-1979) m Mamie Valera Martin KING, Effie Lee, b. 1886 KING, David L, b 1888 KING, George L, b 1890 KING, Hubert E, b (1891 KING, Henry O, b 1893 KING, Rufus A, b 1896 KING, Arthur Newton and MARTIN Mamie Valera are my grandparents. I will greatly appreciate any information (or suggestions) you have on any of these people.

Old farm listed in National Register of Historic Places has been in Crigler family since 1845 http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/local/article/farming_is_life/28968/

COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA  married Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss Blankenbacker,  is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter,  who married Laban Yager ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? NOTE:  I don't think that the dates of birth for Fielding Smith Sr. who marr. Rhoda Carpenter agree with each other as shown in Compiler's note and the article. In the article it says that Fielding Smith died in 1829 at the age of 36....which means he was born: 1793   and Rhoda the wife died in 1888 at the age of 91 making her born 1797. If the article is correct, then I do not believe that Rhoda Carpenter would have been the wife of the Fielding Smith listed in the "NOTE" as born in 1703.   Samuel Carpenter who marr. Margaret Blankenbaker is shown (on line researcher's work) as the son of John Carpenter jr. (ZIMMERMANN) and wife, Eva Dorothea Cook.  John Carpenter or Zimmermann is shown as marr. to Anna Kerker. Carpenter/Zimmermann's homeland is Salzburg, Germany --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Wetaunah Cates <tonniec@windstream.net> wrote: From: Wetaunah Cates <tonniec@windstream.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr of Samuel and ? Blankenbacker) To: GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 11:09 AM Extracted from book entitled " Biographical and Genealogical History of Cass, Miami, Howard and Tipton Counties, Indiana " compiled by Indiana University, 1898, Two Volumes. Loaning Libray : Indiana University Libraries, DDS, 1320 E. 10th # E065, Bloomington, Indiana 47405. (812-855-8229) Ariel 129.79.35.71 (Permission given to copy as copyright expired by Jane Goldsmith, Assistant Unit Head Email address: libils@indiana.edu ) Taken from Volume 2, pages 598-600 : HENRY W SMITH This gentleman is widely known as one of the early settlers and honored citizens of Howard county, and for many long years has been prominently identified with the agricultural interests of Clay Township. His well directed efforts in the practical affairs of life, his capable management of his business interests and his sound judgment have brought him to a handsome property, and his life demonstrates what may be accomplished by the man of energy and ambition, who is not afraid to work and has the perseverance to continue his labors even in the face of seemingly discouraging circumstances. In all the relations of life he has commanded the respect and confidence of those whom he has been brought in contact, and the history of Howard county would be incomplete without the record of his career. Henry W Smith is one of the worthy citizens that the Old Dominion has furnished to the Hoosier state. He was born in Madison county, Virginia, October 19, 1817, a son of Fielding and Rhoda (Carpenter) Smith, natives of Virginia, where they spent their entire lives. The grandfather, William D. Smith, was a son of Downing Smith, of English descent, and the family was founded in Virginia at a very early day and became prominently identified with the agricultural interests of the state, owning large plantations, which they operated with slave labor. Fielding Smith, the father of our subject, married Rhoda Carpenter, the daughter of Samuel Carpenter, whose wife was a Miss Blankenbacker, both families being of German descent and farmers and slave-owners of Virginia. Fielding Smith was a soldier oin the war of 1812, always took an active interest in public affairs and supported the Democratic party. He died in 1829, at the age of 36 years, and his wife passed away in 1888, at the age of 91 years. She was a member of the Lutheran Church. In their family were five children : Henry W.; Mrs Harriett Utz, who died in VA. ; Mrs Susan Aylor, also died in that state ; and William and Fielding, who are residents of Virginia. Henry W Smith acquired his education in the subscription schools near his home, for at that early day the public school was not an institution of the country as it is today. He lost his father when he was 12 years old, but continued to live with his mother until he was 20 years of age. In 1837, he removed to Kentucky, where he secured employment on the farm of his uncle, Abel Carpenter. In 1840 he was married and then began farming on his own account renting land for 3 years, after which he purchased the farm on which he had resided. There he continued to make his home until, 1853, when he sold his property and came to Howard County, Indiana purchasing from Joel Grantham the farm upon which he now resides. He entered 160 acres, of which 30 acres were cleared, while upon the place was a small orchard and a log cabin. To this he has added from time to time until his landed possessions aggregated over 600 acres, but he has given 330 acres to his children, and retains 270 acres! . His life has been a very industrious one, and with untiring energy he has performed the arduous task of developing new land and transforming it into richly cultivated fields. He has on the homestead about 200 acres cleared, ditched and tiled, and the well cultivated fields yield to him excellent harvests. He has upon the place a commodious brick residence, a large barn and other substantial outbuildings, and a good orchard yields its fruit in season. At one time he had over 10 miles of rail fencing upon his place, and at all times its neat and thrifty appearance has given indications of the supervision of a progressive and practical owner. Mr Smith was married in 1840, in Kentucky, to Miss Parmelia GARR, daughter of Benjamin and Nancy (Smith) Garr, the latter a distant relativeof his father. Benjamin Garr was a farmer and slave-owner of Kentucky, became a prosperous man and spent his entire life in that state. His children were : W. W., a leading citizen of Howard county ; John W., who died in Howard county ; Mrs Smith ; Mrs. Mary E. Shrader ; Susan, wife of W. Kellar ; Winston B., who died in Johnson County ; Robert L., of Missouri ; L. C., a physician ; Benjamin F., of Kentucky ; and Priscilla, who became Mrs. Fenton, and is now deceased. The parents were consistent members of the Primitive Baptist Church and the mother died in 1884, at the age of 64 years. To Henry W and Mrs Parmelia (Garr) Smith were born 8 children : William W., a farmer of Miami county, Indiana ; Edwin, who died in 1893, leaving a wife and 4 children ; Nannie E ; Newton B., an attorney of Kokomo ; James P. (? Polk), a farmer of Clay Township, Howard county, married Lizzie P Wilcox ; George W., who is operating the homestead farm ; Emma D., and Fielding H., of Anderson, Indiana. Mr Smith is a consistant member of the Christian church. In politics he has always been a stanch Democrat since casting his second presidential vote. His first ballot, however, supported William Henry Harrison for the presidency. He has filled various township offices, including those of trustee and pike commissioner, and in all such positions has discharged his duties with marked promptness and fidelity. Great changes have occurred since Mr Smith came to Howard county, for this was still regarded as frontier region at the time. Wild turkeys and other game could often be secured by the hunter, but the Indians had left for their western reservations. Much of the land however, was in its primitive condition, and the work of its development Mr Smith has borne an important part. He has always been interested in everything pertaining to the welfare of the community, its progress and upbuilding, and is known as a public-spirited and loyal citizen. He has now passed the 80th milest! one of his life's journey, and his, is an honorable old age, in which he receives the veneration and respect which should ever accompany advanced years. This is accorded him by reason of his well spent life, which furnishes many an example of industry, fidelity, and integrity that may well be followed by those of younger generations. COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA married Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss Blankenbacker, is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter, who married Laban Yager ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? I am interested mainly in the SMITH families. Does anyone have the extentions on the descendants lines of the afore mentioned Downing and Wm D Smith families? Some online family trees show Fielding Smith's place of death in Hendricks, Indiana, and Rhoda Carpenter Smith's place of death in Missouri ??? Can anybody clarify any of this info, as this book source stated, they died in VA. ? My long time brick wall has been a Zebulon D Smith, b. 1759, NC or what was then Sullivan, VA, d 1832 now Sullivan or Washington, Tennessee. Married Sarah Dungan 1760-1860 she being born/died in Tennsessee, or say they say... I realize Tenn was not even a state at her birthdate, so am assuming it was VA?. No one in our lines knows what the D in his name stood for, his Rev War files do not enlighten us either... but what catches my attention, is the fact, that Zeb' s son, Jeremiah D Smith, removed from VA / Tenn, to Hensley, Johnson, Indiana, and we have numerous Fielding Smiths in his descendants. Maybe someone can give me a few leads, perhaps on who the parents of Zebulon D Smith parents were? Thank you for any help at all Tonnie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am Julia and I am trying to locate information on Thomas Gooden born in Louisa Co. Virginia in 1785.  He was married to Susanna Hoffman Gooden in 1815 in Shenandoah Co. VA and I am trying to find out who Thomas' parents were.  I believe his father to be Thomas Gooden who fought in Dunmore's War in 1774 during the American Revolutionary War period.  If anyone has any information, pleas e-mail  in care of germana_colonies@rootsweb.com.  Thanks for your help.  Julia M. Wright   ________________________________ From: "germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com" <germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:44:09 PM Subject: GERMANNA_COLONIES Digest, Vol 4, Issue 33 There are two ways to receive the DIGEST Mode for this Mailing List: 1) PLAIN TEXT-Plain Text Digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email.  This is the default when a user subscribes to the Digest Mode. 2) MIME-For most users MIME Digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments.  If you are receiving in Plain Text and want your Digest in MIME, please write me directly at GERMANNA_COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. ############### When replying to a Digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the Digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying.  That is, if you change the subject, CHANGE the subject line! George List Administrator Today's Topics:   1. Thanks for the Explanation of the Choice of Religion by    the       *Ruler* (Hdanw@aol.com)   2. Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr of Samuel    and ?       Blankenbacker) (Wetaunah Cates)   3. Re: John Yager married Margaret Wilhite : Book    sourcefound       (Wetaunah Cates)   4. Fw: Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr of    Samuel    and       ? Blankenbacker) (Virginia Nuta) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr of Samuel and ? Blankenbacker) > Wetaunah -- > > I can answer some questions for you again.  Henry W. Smith was a 1st and 2nd cousin of my ancestor, Franklin W. Yager, whom you posted about earlier. > > Henry was a grandson of Diana Yager Smith, who was the sister of John W. Yager, who was Franklin's grandfather.  This was the relationship making them 2nd cousins. > > Henry was the son of Rhoda Carpenter, who was the sister of Franklin's mother, Sarah Carpenter.  This was the relationship making them 1st cousins. The sisters were the daughters of Samuel Carpenter and Margaret (Peggy) Blankenbaker.  This is NOT the same Samuel Carpenter married to Dinah Christler, although I am absolutely positive they were cousins!!! Margaret (Peggy) Blankenbaker was the daughter of Christopher Blankenbaker and Christina Finks. > > The only children listed in the Germanna Record for Samuel and Peggy Carpenter were Sarah, married to Laban Yager;  Rhoda, married to Fielding Smith;  Abel, married to Susan Smith (don't you love it?  I am not sure who she belongs to); and Loval, married to Sarah Hutcherson. > > I have Rhoda's death in 1888 in Madison Co., VA. > > I believe that both Laban's family and the Smith family were very close. I belive that both families migrated together to Jefferson County, KY, where there was a very extensive network of Germanna families, in 1836, as I described in my previous posting.  At that point, Diana Yager Smith moved on to Missouri with some of her children, while other children moved into Indiana.  My ancestor Franklin W. Yager, after spending about 10 years next door to his aunt Alpha Yager Utz in Johnson Co., IN, moved on to Howard County, IN, where this Henry had settled, and it has been my belief that he and Henry must have been good friends and that Henry was the reason for his choice of Howard County, IN. > > You asked about Smith descendants and about Zebulon Smith.  I do not know that name, but I would suggest you get in touch with Debra Smith Beheler, who works at the genealogy library in Kokomo, Howard County, Indiana, and who has been in charge of the Indiana GenWeb project.  Debby is a descendant of Diana Yager Smith, Henry W. Smith, and a great-niece of Agnes Lee Smith, who supplied much of the information Germanna has on the Yager family.  She can be reached through Howard Co.'s fantastic website on GenWeb.  I think she has some good stories about Rhoda arranging marriages for Yager and Smith widowers..... > > > >> >> COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA  married Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss Blankenbacker,  is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter,  who married Laban Yager ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? >> I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? >> >> I am interested mainly in the SMITH families. Does anyone have the extentions on the descendants lines of the afore mentioned Downing and Wm D Smith families? >> Some online family trees show Fielding Smith's place of death in Hendricks, Indiana, and Rhoda Carpenter Smith's place of death in Missouri ??? Can anybody clarify any of this info, as this book source stated, they died in VA. ? >> >> My long time brick wall has been a Zebulon D Smith, b. 1759, NC or what was then Sullivan, VA, d 1832 now Sullivan or Washington, Tennessee. Married Sarah Dungan 1760-1860 she being born/died in Tennsessee, or say they say... I realize Tenn was not even a state at her birthdate, so am assuming it was VA?. No one in our lines knows what the D in his name stood for, his Rev War files do not enlighten us either...  but what catches my attention, is the fact, that Zeb' s son, Jeremiah D Smith, removed from VA / Tenn, to Hensley, Johnson, Indiana, and we have numerous Fielding Smiths in his descendants. >> Maybe someone can give me a few leads, perhaps on who the parents of Zebulon D Smith parents were? >> Thank you for any help at all >> Tonnie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3813 (20090130) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > To contact the GERMANNA_COLONIES list administrator, send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Fielding Smith and Rhoda Carpenter : (a dtr of Samuel and ? Blankenbacker) > Wetaunah -- > > I can answer some questions for you again. Henry W. Smith was a 1st and > 2nd cousin of my ancestor, Franklin W. Yager, whom you posted about > earlier. > > Henry was a grandson of Diana Yager Smith, who was the sister of John W. > Yager, who was Franklin's grandfather. This was the relationship making > them 2nd cousins. > > Henry was the son of Rhoda Carpenter, who was the sister of Franklin's > mother, Sarah Carpenter. This was the relationship making them 1st > cousins. The sisters were the daughters of Samuel Carpenter and Margaret > (Peggy) Blankenbaker. This is NOT the same Samuel Carpenter married to > Dinah Christler, although I am absolutely positive they were cousins!!! > Margaret (Peggy) Blankenbaker was the daughter of Christopher Blankenbaker > and Christina Finks. > > The only children listed in the Germanna Record for Samuel and Peggy > Carpenter were Sarah, married to Laban Yager; Rhoda, married to Fielding > Smith; Abel, married to Susan Smith (don't you love it? I am not sure > who she belongs to); and Loval, married to Sarah Hutcherson. > > I have Rhoda's death in 1888 in Madison Co., VA. > > I believe that both Laban's family and the Smith family were very close. > I belive that both families migrated together to Jefferson County, KY, > where there was a very extensive network of Germanna families, in 1836, as > I described in my previous posting. At that point, Diana Yager Smith > moved on to Missouri with some of her children, while other children moved > into Indiana. My ancestor Franklin W. Yager, after spending about 10 > years next door to his aunt Alpha Yager Utz in Johnson Co., IN, moved on > to Howard County, IN, where this Henry had settled, and it has been my > belief that he and Henry must have been good friends and that Henry was > the reason for his choice of Howard County, IN. > > You asked about Smith descendants and about Zebulon Smith. I do not know > that name, but I would suggest you get in touch with Debra Smith Beheler, > who works at the genealogy library in Kokomo, Howard County, Indiana, and > who has been in charge of the Indiana GenWeb project. Debby is a > descendant of Diana Yager Smith, Henry W. Smith, and a great-niece of > Agnes Lee Smith, who supplied much of the information Germanna has on the > Yager family. She can be reached through Howard Co.'s fantastic website > on GenWeb. I think she has some good stories about Rhoda arranging > marriages for Yager and Smith widowers..... > > > >> >> COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA married >> Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss >> Blankenbacker, is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of >> William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is >> this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter, who married Laban Yager >> ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker >> 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and >> who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? >> I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his >> wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis >> UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? >> >> I am interested mainly in the SMITH families. Does anyone have the >> extentions on the descendants lines of the afore mentioned Downing and Wm >> D Smith families? >> Some online family trees show Fielding Smith's place of death in >> Hendricks, Indiana, and Rhoda Carpenter Smith's place of death in >> Missouri ??? Can anybody clarify any of this info, as this book source >> stated, they died in VA. ? >> >> My long time brick wall has been a Zebulon D Smith, b. 1759, NC or what >> was then Sullivan, VA, d 1832 now Sullivan or Washington, Tennessee. >> Married Sarah Dungan 1760-1860 she being born/died in Tennsessee, or say >> they say... I realize Tenn was not even a state at her birthdate, so am >> assuming it was VA?. No one in our lines knows what the D in his name >> stood for, his Rev War files do not enlighten us either... but what >> catches my attention, is the fact, that Zeb' s son, Jeremiah D Smith, >> removed from VA / Tenn, to Hensley, Johnson, Indiana, and we have >> numerous Fielding Smiths in his descendants. >> Maybe someone can give me a few leads, perhaps on who the parents of >> Zebulon D Smith parents were? >> Thank you for any help at all >> Tonnie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 3813 (20090130) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >

Thank you Virginia, for helping clarify some of the Yager family lines for me. You did not make mention of Sarah Carpenter's parents, so I am asking, was her father, Samuel Carpenter, the same Samuel Carpenter, married twice, to Dinah Christler and Margaret Blankenbaker ? Was this Samuel Carpenter the same as Samuel, son of William Carpenter and Mary Wilhite? Thank you for any help, I appreciate your patience, and please forgive my bad formatting in my messages. It is intimidating for me posting here, and I am ashamed of it most of the time, but how else can I find out impertinent information others hold, if I do not brave the questions? Tonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] John Yager married Margaret Wilhite : Book sourcefound > Hi Wetaunah -- > > Hey, please contact me directly if you are a Laban Yager descendant, > because > I am searching for these cousins. > > Franklin W. Yager, the subject of the biography you posted, is my 2nd > great-grandfather. I am descended from his daughter "Jane," who was > actually "Joan" or "Joanna" depending on the mood of the writer, and her > husband Alfred J. Rhodes. > > This is a messed-up biography in the sense that there was not a true > understanding of Franklin's ancestors. That is because, I believe, > Franklin's wife Harriett, who was a family-proud type of person, gave this > information to the biographer. There are suggestions that perhaps > Franklin > was ill or incompetent by 1898. Franklin died in 1904. > > Franklin's father was Laban Yager and his mother Sarah Carpenter. Sarah > was > the first of Laban's 3 wives; she died in 1826 in VA. Franklin was born > in > either Culpeper or Madison County, Virginia. (I tend to believe it was > actually Madison County because his father, Laban, farmed land next to the > homestead of Laban's grandfather "Blind" John Yager.) In 1836, the family > migrated to Jefferson County, Kentucky. There they joined Laban's father, > John W. Yager, who had migrated from Madison County, Virginia to Kentucky > earlier, in 1822. > > Laban's father, John W. Yager was born 12 Nov. 1773; he married Margaret > Wilhite or Wilhoit on Nov. 3, 1791 in what that year was Culpeper County > and > which shortly would be Madison County, they migrated to Boone County, KY, > in > 1822, and between 1830 and 1840 they migrated to Jefferson County, KY. He > died 18 Apr 1851 and is buried in Hobb's Cemetery, outside Louisville, > Jefferson Co., KY. Margaret had predeceased him on 25 Jan 1849; it is > said > she also is buried in Hobb's Cemetery. Margaret was the daughter of > George > Wilhoit and Elizabeth Utz. I tend to use the spelling "Wilhoit" for ease > but it is not necessarily how they spelled the name. > > Margaret's husband, John W. Yager, unlike what this biography states, was > most certainly NOT the immigrant from Germany. That honor is reserved for > John W's grandfather Adam Yager and his great-grandather Nicholas Yager, > who > is listed as one of the original Germanna settlers and who is the > progenitor > of the family for whom Yager Mountain, in Madison Co., VA, is named. > Harriet missed a couple of generations when she was describing the family > for this 1898 biography! > > John W. Yager's father was "Blind" John Yager and his mother was Mary > Margaret Wilhite or Wilhoit. You can see that the two generations would > be > pretty confusing to anyone. Mary Margaret Wilhoit was a 1st or 2nd cousin > once removed from Margarent Wilhoit, her daughter-in-law. "Blind" John > Yager was born 15 Dec. 1732 in Culpeper Co., VA, he lived to be very old > and > gradually grew blind, and died in 1826. His wife, Mary Margaret Wilhoit, > was the daughter of John Christian Wilhoit and Waldburga Weaver. > > "Blind" John Yager was the son of Adam Yager and his mother was Susannah > unknown. It was thought at one time that she was Susannah Kobler but that > is no longer believed to be true. Adam was born in the area of > Falkenstein, > Pfalz, Germany, in 1708; he died in about 1793. > > Adam's father was Nicholas Yager, who was born, we believe, in Oberzell, > Hesse, Germany. Oberzell is quite near the border of both Bavaria and > Thuringia, and today is located in a UNESCO biosphere. Adam's mother was > Anna Maria Seiber from Falkenstein, and she and Nicholas were married in > 1706 in Marienthal, near Falkenstein, Pfalz, Germany. > > This may be more than you want to know. While I have a lot of information > from John W. to the present on this family, I would say that Betty Johnson > is the expert from John W. going back in time, or else Cathi Clore Frost > who > is NOT a Yager but who is writing a new Germanna Record on the Yagers. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wetaunah Cates" <tonniec@windstream.net> > To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:50 AM > Subject: [GERMANNA] John Yager married Margaret Wilhite : Book source > found > > >>I tried to post this same message before, it never showed up, so I am >>trying again. >> Found this information concerning the above YAGER families in a book >> entitled " Biographical and Genealogical History of Cass, Miami, Howard >> and Franklin Counties, Indiana " compiled by Indiana University, >> published Chicago, Lewis Publishing Company , 1898. Two Volumes. >> I have these two volumes on inner library loan, and have permission to >> copy anything from these books, as the copyright has long been expired, >> per the loaning libray at Indiana University Libraries, DDS, 1320 E. >> 10th >> #E065, Bloomington, Indiana 47405. >> Taken from Volume I. pages 54-56, Frank W Yager >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Extracted from book entitled " Biographical and Genealogical History of Cass, Miami, Howard and Tipton Counties, Indiana " compiled by Indiana University, 1898, Two Volumes. Loaning Libray : Indiana University Libraries, DDS, 1320 E. 10th # E065, Bloomington, Indiana 47405. (812-855-8229) Ariel 129.79.35.71 (Permission given to copy as copyright expired by Jane Goldsmith, Assistant Unit Head Email address: libils@indiana.edu ) Taken from Volume 2, pages 598-600 : HENRY W SMITH This gentleman is widely known as one of the early settlers and honored citizens of Howard county, and for many long years has been prominently identified with the agricultural interests of Clay Township. His well directed efforts in the practical affairs of life, his capable management of his business interests and his sound judgment have brought him to a handsome property, and his life demonstrates what may be accomplished by the man of energy and ambition, who is not afraid to work and has the perseverance to continue his labors even in the face of seemingly discouraging circumstances. In all the relations of life he has commanded the respect and confidence of those whom he has been brought in contact, and the history of Howard county would be incomplete without the record of his career. Henry W Smith is one of the worthy citizens that the Old Dominion has furnished to the Hoosier state. He was born in Madison county, Virginia, October 19, 1817, a son of Fielding and Rhoda (Carpenter) Smith, natives of Virginia, where they spent their entire lives. The grandfather, William D. Smith, was a son of Downing Smith, of English descent, and the family was founded in Virginia at a very early day and became prominently identified with the agricultural interests of the state, owning large plantations, which they operated with slave labor. Fielding Smith, the father of our subject, married Rhoda Carpenter, the daughter of Samuel Carpenter, whose wife was a Miss Blankenbacker, both families being of German descent and farmers and slave-owners of Virginia. Fielding Smith was a soldier oin the war of 1812, always took an active interest in public affairs and supported the Democratic party. He died in 1829, at the age of 36 years, and his wife passed away in 1888, at the age of 91 years. She was a member of the Lutheran Church. In their family were five children : Henry W.; Mrs Harriett Utz, who died in VA. ; Mrs Susan Aylor, also died in that state ; and William and Fielding, who are residents of Virginia. Henry W Smith acquired his education in the subscription schools near his home, for at that early day the public school was not an institution of the country as it is today. He lost his father when he was 12 years old, but continued to live with his mother until he was 20 years of age. In 1837, he removed to Kentucky, where he secured employment on the farm of his uncle, Abel Carpenter. In 1840 he was married and then began farming on his own account renting land for 3 years, after which he purchased the farm on which he had resided. There he continued to make his home until, 1853, when he sold his property and came to Howard County, Indiana purchasing from Joel Grantham the farm upon which he now resides. He entered 160 acres, of which 30 acres were cleared, while upon the place was a small orchard and a log cabin. To this he has added from time to time until his landed possessions aggregated over 600 acres, but he has given 330 acres to his children, and retains 270 acres. His life has been a very industrious one, and with untiring energy he has performed the arduous task of developing new land and transforming it into richly cultivated fields. He has on the homestead about 200 acres cleared, ditched and tiled, and the well cultivated fields yield to him excellent harvests. He has upon the place a commodious brick residence, a large barn and other substantial outbuildings, and a good orchard yields its fruit in season. At one time he had over 10 miles of rail fencing upon his place, and at all times its neat and thrifty appearance has given indications of the supervision of a progressive and practical owner. Mr Smith was married in 1840, in Kentucky, to Miss Parmelia GARR, daughter of Benjamin and Nancy (Smith) Garr, the latter a distant relativeof his father. Benjamin Garr was a farmer and slave-owner of Kentucky, became a prosperous man and spent his entire life in that state. His children were : W. W., a leading citizen of Howard county ; John W., who died in Howard county ; Mrs Smith ; Mrs. Mary E. Shrader ; Susan, wife of W. Kellar ; Winston B., who died in Johnson County ; Robert L., of Missouri ; L. C., a physician ; Benjamin F., of Kentucky ; and Priscilla, who became Mrs. Fenton, and is now deceased. The parents were consistent members of the Primitive Baptist Church and the mother died in 1884, at the age of 64 years. To Henry W and Mrs Parmelia (Garr) Smith were born 8 children : William W., a farmer of Miami county, Indiana ; Edwin, who died in 1893, leaving a wife and 4 children ; Nannie E ; Newton B., an attorney of Kokomo ; James P. (? Polk), a farmer of Clay Township, Howard county, married Lizzie P Wilcox ; George W., who is operating the homestead farm ; Emma D., and Fielding H., of Anderson, Indiana. Mr Smith is a consistant member of the Christian church. In politics he has always been a stanch Democrat since casting his second presidential vote. His first ballot, however, supported William Henry Harrison for the presidency. He has filled various township offices, including those of trustee and pike commissioner, and in all such positions has discharged his duties with marked promptness and fidelity. Great changes have occurred since Mr Smith came to Howard county, for this was still regarded as frontier region at the time. Wild turkeys and other game could often be secured by the hunter, but the Indians had left for their western reservations. Much of the land however, was in its primitive condition, and the work of its development Mr Smith has borne an important part. He has always been interested in everything pertaining to the welfare of the community, its progress and upbuilding, and is known as a public-spirited and loyal citizen. He has now passed the 80th milestone of his life's journey, and his, is an honorable old age, in which he receives the veneration and respect which should ever accompany advanced years. This is accorded him by reason of his well spent life, which furnishes many an example of industry, fidelity, and integrity that may well be followed by those of younger generations. COMPILER's NOTE : Fileding Smith, Sr. b 1703 VA d. 1829 ? VA married Rhoda Carpenter, 1798 VA - 1888 ? VA, a dtr of Samuel and Miss Blankenbacker, is this the same Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811 VA, (son of William and Mary Wilhite) that was also married to a Dinah Christler ? Is this Samuel also the father of Sarah Carpenter, who married Laban Yager ? If so, I have his wife, Miss Blankenbacker, as Margaret Blankenbaker 1769 Culpeper VA - 1860 Madison, VA., can anyone help me confirm this and who were Margaret Blankenbaker's parents? I have another daughter of this Samuel Carpenter, 1759-1811, and his wife, Dinah Christler 1762-1836, as a Nancy Carpenter, that married Lewis UTZ. Does this connect to anyone? I am interested mainly in the SMITH families. Does anyone have the extentions on the descendants lines of the afore mentioned Downing and Wm D Smith families? Some online family trees show Fielding Smith's place of death in Hendricks, Indiana, and Rhoda Carpenter Smith's place of death in Missouri ??? Can anybody clarify any of this info, as this book source stated, they died in VA. ? My long time brick wall has been a Zebulon D Smith, b. 1759, NC or what was then Sullivan, VA, d 1832 now Sullivan or Washington, Tennessee. Married Sarah Dungan 1760-1860 she being born/died in Tennsessee, or say they say... I realize Tenn was not even a state at her birthdate, so am assuming it was VA?. No one in our lines knows what the D in his name stood for, his Rev War files do not enlighten us either... but what catches my attention, is the fact, that Zeb' s son, Jeremiah D Smith, removed from VA / Tenn, to Hensley, Johnson, Indiana, and we have numerous Fielding Smiths in his descendants. Maybe someone can give me a few leads, perhaps on who the parents of Zebulon D Smith parents were? Thank you for any help at all Tonnie

Dear Elke, Thank you for reinforcing my thoughts about the ruler of the German principality, whatever its name, at the time, being instrumental in choosing the religion, and, indeed, the pastor or minister for that geographic/political group. I think people survive by whatever means they can, especially our folks who lived on the colonial frontiers. In many states, except Maryland, Catholicism was not permitted. (Dr. George K. Schweitzer, in his little published books on doing genealogy in various US States, nearly always has a paragraph or two on the religions in a colony and then later the State.) I have attended a good many lectures on doing genealogy in Virginia. One of them was by the noted genealogist-archivist-author Robert Young Clay formerly of the Library of Virginia. The *state* religion in Virginia was the Anglican church. Quakers, Baptists, and others had a devil of a time in Virginia. My colonial Baptist minister ancestor [one of several] named Washington [but not of the noted family of Northern Neck], according to a history of the Baptists in Virginia, was fined by the colony or state [I will have to look up the date if it appears] of Virginia, although he was residing in North Carolina!!! When one is doing research of a certain colony or state, it is always helpful to understand what books/publications there may be on the religions in that colony. I was re-reading some notes I made recently wherein a man in Virginia with the surname Harris was fined for not attending church. His case was dismissed. Court minutes tell us a lot about our ancestors. Fortunately, more and more of the abstracted court minutes of certain counties are being published. They are most informative. Thanks again! E.W.Wallace **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

E.W. you noted in your last email: If the ruler switched religions, so did the populace. Of course, this may not hold for ALL the German political divisions. It certainly was true for the Kraichgau region. The knights of the Kraichgau fought hard for the privilege to choose the faith and appoint the pastor for a village within their fiefdoms. The following is part of a translation I did for Cary Anderson and myself so we could understand a little more about the area of the Kraichgau. >From the book "Der westfälische Friede By Heinz Duchhardt, Eva Ortlieb": "In 1646, Count of Gemmingen himself was very instrumental in fighting to have that right preserved during the Westphaelean Peace Treaties. In a detailed report for the Austrian Diplomat Maximilian Graf von Trauttmansdorff, who himself became a member of the knights in the Kraichgau since he was presented a confiscated estate there by the Emperor, von Gemmingen presented the position of the knights to him on 1 June 1646. In the instructions of Emperor Ferdinand to the Count von Trauttmansdorff of 8 October 1646, the Emperor declared that he is ready to recognize the unconditional ius reformandi (right of Reformation) of the knights, as the Protestant demanded. In this context, the role of the knights on the imperial court as “lobbyists” for the interests of the knights should not be underestimated. " Paulus Lederer was a servant of Maximilian Graf von Trauttmansdorff. Elke By the way, the present Count von Gemmingen mentioned in a talk he gave in 2005 that he still has the right TODAY to appoint the pastor in the Protestant parish of Bad Rappenau. He still has to interview the candidates and recommend his choice to the bishop in Karlsruhe and issue the letter of appointment and present it to the new pastor. The funny thing about this is that the count himself is Catholic.

I have been noting the discussion about whether certain Germanna immigrants were of one religion or another. It seems to me, long ago, when I was doing some German research [hoping for some leads on my great-grandfather Wilhelm Braun of Baden prior to his migration to Texas, [I learned that the residents of certain political divisions in Germany--duchy, kingdom, etc.,--had to conform, if required, to the religion of the ruler, at least in many cases. If the ruler switched religions, so did the populace. Of course, this may not hold for ALL the German political divisions. [Just like you had to be a Nazi to get any benefits from the Third Reich, I guess.] I used as my references mainly volumes of pre-WW II Encyclopedia Britannica which I found in my rural public library. Alas, they got tossed out, and I did not know about it!!! At any rate, I attend a fair number of lectures on doing Irish genealogy--where many of the records burned in 1922!!! Persons in Ireland switched religions for political purposes. A Catholic in Ireland, who was persecuted, along with the Presbyterians, frequently *changed* religions in order to conform to the policy of the time. A Catholic, at certain times, could not own land. Therefore, frequently one of the males, particularly the eldest, would become a Protestant [Church of Ireland, which is Anglican--and I might add, somewhat dull services!!!] The rest of the family would remain Catholic. One does what is politically and religiously expedient, frequently in order to survive. We'uns don't appreciate our political and religion freedom in this country. I am not including *economic freedom*!!! What workers got pink slips today? Will they migrate? If so, where? To their relatives' homes?? E.W.Wallace **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

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The Ortssippenbuch which is referred to below is properly called the Oberoewisheim-Neuenbuerg Ortssippenbuch. The church was actually in Oberoewisheim and was Lutheran. The Catholicsin Neuenbuerg have no Ortssippenbuch. Manyof the Lutheran baptisms in Oberoewisheim hadCatholic sponsors. I do not believe the LDS hasfilms for the Catholic Church in Neuenbuerg. John john.blankenbaker@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Cary Anderson To: germanna colonies Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Source for early Thoma I saw an Ortssippenbuch for Neuenberg [sp?[ which had the Thoma family. The person who had acquired it was surprised at  records of the Thoma and Blankenbakers being in a Catholic Church book.  Some of the Thoma families apparently were Catholics.  I seem to recall that included some who came to Germane, but as I am not of that family, I took no notes. If I were a member of that family, I would take a look at the microfilm records myself of the Neuenberg Catholic Church to see just what is there. Once one has dates of births and marriages, it is easy to figure out the details from the microfilm records.  It is a great feeling to actual see and hold the church books that have family records.  Touching a communion cup that my ancestor had taken communion in the early 1700s was one of the great experiences of my genealogical life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Source for early Thoma > Just checking to see if I have this source right since I did not find this info myself. I know that Cary does FHL microfilms but also think that the actual church book has been read - not sure about this. For the second marriage of Albrecht Thoma/(s), his death, the marriage of his son Johannes and the birth of Johannes 3 children, I have this for source info -- just don't know if they are one and the same. Same info for Schön and Blanckenbühler family. I have the info that Albrecht had two other sons in addition to Johannes with their exact dates and the marriage of one but no notation where this info came from -- ? same source. > > > > So this is what I have listed as my source info for these early records -- right? wrong? too much info? All help appreciated. Take care. Marilyn > > > > > Evangelical Church Records, Oberoewisheim, Germany, FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ya know, I'm not a descendant of the Second Colony, but I really enjoyed this, Ginnie!! It put it all into perspective for me. I remember traveling to Falkenstein with Germanna, it is waaaay out there, but very beautiful. The main street was so steep that the bus couldn't go down it, so many of us walked down, only to have to walk up, which was okay because we had to walk off all of the brats with gravy and black bread!! Yummy!!! We also visited the church in Marienthal where Nicholas and Anna Maria were married--incredible! It's good to have these memories, I wish that I could remember other things as well! Barb Price In a message dated 1/28/2009 09:33:30 Pacific Standard Time, vrnuta@verizon.net writes: Hi Wetaunah -- Hey, please contact me directly if you are a Laban Yager descendant, because I am searching for these cousins. Franklin W. Yager, the subject of the biography you posted, is my 2nd great-grandfather. I am descended from his daughter "Jane," who was actually "Joan" or "Joanna" depending on the mood of the writer, and her husband Alfred J. Rhodes. This is a messed-up biography in the sense that there was not a true understanding of Franklin's ancestors. That is because, I believe, Franklin's wife Harriett, who was a family-proud type of person, gave this information to the biographer. There are suggestions that perhaps Franklin was ill or incompetent by 1898. Franklin died in 1904. Franklin's father was Laban Yager and his mother Sarah Carpenter. Sarah was the first of Laban's 3 wives; she died in 1826 in VA. Franklin was born in either Culpeper or Madison County, Virginia. (I tend to believe it was actually Madison County because his father, Laban, farmed land next to the homestead of Laban's grandfather "Blind" John Yager.) In 1836, the family migrated to Jefferson County, Kentucky. There they joined Laban's father, John W. Yager, who had migrated from Madison County, Virginia to Kentucky earlier, in 1822. Laban's father, John W. Yager was born 12 Nov. 1773; he married Margaret Wilhite or Wilhoit on Nov. 3, 1791 in what that year was Culpeper County and which shortly would be Madison County, they migrated to Boone County, KY, in 1822, and between 1830 and 1840 they migrated to Jefferson County, KY. He died 18 Apr 1851 and is buried in Hobb's Cemetery, outside Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY. Margaret had predeceased him on 25 Jan 1849; it is said she also is buried in Hobb's Cemetery. Margaret was the daughter of George Wilhoit and Elizabeth Utz. I tend to use the spelling "Wilhoit" for ease but it is not necessarily how they spelled the name. Margaret's husband, John W. Yager, unlike what this biography states, was most certainly NOT the immigrant from Germany. That honor is reserved for John W's grandfather Adam Yager and his great-grandather Nicholas Yager, who is listed as one of the original Germanna settlers and who is the progenitor of the family for whom Yager Mountain, in Madison Co., VA, is named. Harriet missed a couple of generations when she was describing the family for this 1898 biography! John W. Yager's father was "Blind" John Yager and his mother was Mary Margaret Wilhite or Wilhoit. You can see that the two generations would be pretty confusing to anyone. Mary Margaret Wilhoit was a 1st or 2nd cousin once removed from Margarent Wilhoit, her daughter-in-law. "Blind" John Yager was born 15 Dec. 1732 in Culpeper Co., VA, he lived to be very old and gradually grew blind, and died in 1826. His wife, Mary Margaret Wilhoit, was the daughter of John Christian Wilhoit and Waldburga Weaver. "Blind" John Yager was the son of Adam Yager and his mother was Susannah unknown. It was thought at one time that she was Susannah Kobler but that is no longer believed to be true. Adam was born in the area of Falkenstein, Pfalz, Germany, in 1708; he died in about 1793. Adam's father was Nicholas Yager, who was born, we believe, in Oberzell, Hesse, Germany. Oberzell is quite near the border of both Bavaria and Thuringia, and today is located in a UNESCO biosphere. Adam's mother was Anna Maria Seiber from Falkenstein, and she and Nicholas were married in 1706 in Marienthal, near Falkenstein, Pfalz, Germany. This may be more than you want to know. While I have a lot of information from John W. to the present on this family, I would say that Betty Johnson is the expert from John W. going back in time, or else Cathi Clore Frost who is NOT a Yager but who is writing a new Germanna Record on the Yagers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wetaunah Cates" <tonniec@windstream.net> To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] John Yager married Margaret Wilhite : Book source found >I tried to post this same message before, it never showed up, so I am >trying again. > Found this information concerning the above YAGER families in a book > entitled " Biographical and Genealogical History of Cass, Miami, Howard > and Franklin Counties, Indiana " compiled by Indiana University, > published Chicago, Lewis Publishing Company , 1898. Two Volumes. > I have these two volumes on inner library loan, and have permission to > copy anything from these books, as the copyright has long been expired, > per the loaning libray at Indiana University Libraries, DDS, 1320 E. 10th > #E065, Bloomington, Indiana 47405. > Taken from Volume I. pages 54-56, Frank W Yager > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Thanks John for you information. I wasn't sure what I was looking at, but I do recall I saw some mixed marriages for either the Blankenbaker or Thoma families It's been a while, but one of the ladies on the Tour had the book. She was asking me what some of the abbreviations and words meant. Mixed marriages among the Reformed, Lutheran, and Catholics did occur then just as now. The more I study these Kraichgau villages, the more I find that these folks were somewhat different from what we have been led to believe by history books. John Blankenbaker wrote: > The Ortssippenbuch which is referred to below is properly called the Oberoewisheim-Neuenbuerg