http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/va/1714germ.htm -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Utterbachs in First Colony? Dear list: Under what authority does anyone place Herman Utterbach as a member of the 1st colony? He is not named in any land record of the 1st colony at Germantown in what is now Fauquier County. Surely I am missing something. I suppose we can PERHAPS forgive the inclusion of Rev. Hager and Joseph Albrecht on this list, though neither of them are mentioned in the land records either. But Utterbach? I am UTTERLY confused on this one. Craig

Perhaps the only etiquette book written by a Germanna descendant, we should consider carrying copies in our vehicles to share with (or hurl at) fellow motorists. The author, Margaret Fishback, must have been quite a catch. She "contributed light verse and prose to a number of national publications, including Collier's, Cosmopolitan, Glamour, Good Housekeeping, Harper's Bazaar, Look, Mademoiselle, New York Times, Reader's Digest, Saturday Evening Post, and Woman's Day" and was described in 1932 as "the highest-paid advertising woman in the world." http://www.germanna.org/germana_message_board has more information, and her ancestry is posted at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=marcwheat&id=I25299

A statement made in Trupbach that someone went to Virginia is not the same as arriving in Virginia.  Many people left Europe to come to the colonies who died at sea.  Hermann Otterbach could have died enroute to England, could have died in England or could have died at sea before arriving in the Virginia colony.  He could have moved elsewhere.  From, Ortisgeschichte Trupbach by Dieter Trops and Udo Bohn, published by  Herausgegeen vom Heimatverein Trupbach, Siegen-Trupbach, 1989, there is a  history of many of the homes in Trupbach, one of which is the Otterbach house  "Welmes."    On pg 211 for the history of "Welmes", it states  that Hermannus Otterbach lived here in 1707, but that he went to  Virginia--"ausgewandert nach Virginia" and that the next occupant of the house  was Johann Jacob Schneider in 1712. Below, Dr. Holtzclaw does not explain the facts to which he refers. BC Holtzclaw's, Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau-Siegen Immigrants to  Virginia 1714-1750, the section on the Otterbach/Utterback Family:  Pg. 482 "We have indicated that Hermann Otterbach and all his family emigrated to  Virginia in 1714.  This is in accordance with tradition, and fits in with  the facts.  Hermann Otterbach, his wife, and his two sons, however, all  seem to have died early in Virginia, perhaps before the 1714 group moved to  Germantown about 1719."**See the information below Melchior Brumbach left without permission. Suzanne Collins Matson

Don, The site you sent copied their information from one of Dr. Holtzclaw's books.  It is true that Hermann Otterbach is not mentioned in any document located thus far that would place him in the VA colony.  He and his family are included because of tradition-something that Dr. Holtzclaw acknowledged. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Johnson <voodoo@wdemail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:40:56 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Utterbachs in First Colony? http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/va/1714germ.htm -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Utterbachs in First Colony? Dear list: Under what authority does anyone place Herman Utterbach as a member of the 1st colony?  He is not named in any land record of the 1st colony at Germantown in what is now Fauquier County.  Surely I am missing something.  I suppose we can PERHAPS forgive the inclusion of Rev. Hager and Joseph Albrecht on this list, though neither of them are mentioned in the land records either. But Utterbach? I am UTTERLY confused on this one. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list: Under what authority does anyone place Herman Utterbach as a member of the 1st colony? He is not named in any land record of the 1st colony at Germantown in what is now Fauquier County. Surely I am missing something. I suppose we can PERHAPS forgive the inclusion of Rev. Hager and Joseph Albrecht on this list, though neither of them are mentioned in the land records either. But Utterbach? I am UTTERLY confused on this one. Craig

I missed this question on Germanna Colonies, it seems: A question recently arose as to how to find local county historical and genealogical societies. For those wishing to know addresses or information about genealogical societies in places other than Virginia, I suggest you use your local public library's online catalog to learn whether they have this book, which is now *old* by internet standards, having been published in 1989. It has a chapter concerning each state of the United States, including what we hope is a late date map of each State by William Dollarhide. There is a discussion of ten regions, such as New England, Mid Atlantic, Old South, Gulf States, etc. Author: Alice Eicholholz, PhD, C.G. Title: Ancestry's Red Book: American State, County & Town Sources (Salt Lake City, Ancestry Publishing, 1989 [first printing] If your research takes you to lots of States, you may want this on your bookshelf, but take a look at the library first. However, if you are a fan/customer of Amazon.com, you may be interested that there are several copies of The Red Book for sale, at a greatly reduced price. I did an online search of the author, and google produced the Amazon.com info for me. (I bought my copy on sale years ago at a genealogical society who was no longer going to sell books--too hard to store for those without permanent housing.) E.W.Wallace **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003)

Jim Barlow, Went to grade school and high school with Fred and Jack Barlow in Chicago. Any relation? Barbara Rector Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim E. Barlow" <barlow1828@comcast.net> To: "germanna colonies" <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Daniel Boone and Salubria > When I started my Barlow genealogy back in 1996 all I had to go on was a > memory of a two-page paper my father had written when he was in junior > high in Indiana in the 1920s. In it, he said we descended from a Barlow > family that came over with the Pilgrims (not true, although there were > Barlows in the group ... a dead end for me I quickly learned), and that > our Kentucky/Indiana ancestors had come through the Cumberland Gap with > Daniel Boone. My dad offered no sources, nor did he ever talk about family > roots in later life. Seeing the info about Boone in Salubria and walking > pioneers through the Gap now makes me think maybe that part of family > legend may have some truth to it! > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael L. Oddenino" <oddlaw@pacbell.net> > To: "GERMANNA_COLONIES-L" <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:26:15 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [GERMANNA] Daniel Boone and Salubria > > Marc Wheat reminded all of Daniel Boone's connection with Salubria. > > Scroll down the page to find Daniel: > > http://germanna.org/salubria > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Marc Wheat reminded all of Daniel Boone's connection with Salubria. Scroll down the page to find Daniel: http://germanna.org/salubria

Mr. Duff -- Germanna will certainly accept your check! Just send it to: Germanna Foundation, P.O. Box 279, Locust Grove, Virginia 22508-0279, c/o Skip Poole. Accompany it with a note indicating the type of membership (family, $40, or individual, $30). Also, Germanna would appreciate it if you would indicate the family(ies) you descend from, your contact information (name, address, phone number, e-mail address), and whether or not you would permit Germanna to publish your contact information (or just some of it) in a membership directory we hope to publish. Sincerely, Virginia Nuta Germanna Association Board Member ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest A. Duff" <ebdu@earthlink.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] George "Sarge" Durman in July > We would like to join Germanna, but do not want to use our credit card > on the Internet. Can we somehow find a paper application and send that > in with a check? > On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Michael L. Oddenino wrote: >

We would like to join Germanna, but do not want to use our credit card on the Internet. Can we somehow find a paper application and send that in with a check? On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Michael L. Oddenino wrote: > George "Sarge" Durman will be giving a presentation on doing genealogy > work on the internet at the Germanna July 2009 Conference and Reunion: > http://germanna.org/node/165 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

-----Original Message----- From: mioaklan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mioaklan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MiPolonia Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:30 AM To: MIOAKLAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [MIOAKLAN] "What's My Story?" TV series needs your story "What's My Story?" TV series needs your story Afternoon: My name is Agustina Perez and I am a Producer of a new television series called, "What's My Story?" Our series is currently in the development phase and will revolve around the genealogical-based stories belonging to the everyman (and woman) as opposed to celebrities or known personalities. In fact, we are in the process of avidly searching for participants to be featured on our series. Our goal is to find participants from diverse backgrounds who are genuinely interested in undertaking a real journey of discovery -- one that explores their family tree, uncovers their family history and unveils fascinating and poignant facts about the social history surrounding the lives of their ancestors. As far as story parameters are concerned, we would like to find stories that can be filmed within the U.S. (for the first season.) However, if you know of interesting stories that venture into international territory, please send them our way and we may refer to them once we begin the second season. Also, at this point, we are only interested in going three to four generations deep, principally due to the availability of archival photos and footage to visually augment the stories. Our goal is a rather ambitious one. We would like to receive 500 stories by the beginning of next week. Hence, we could truly use the muscle of the grassroots mechanism. If you are a member of another genealogical association, please pass the word along. We have a website noted below for people who may be interested in applying to be on the show. http://www.byub.org/whatsmystory/ Sincerely, Agustina Perez Producer, BYU Broadcasting What's My Story? http://www.byub.org/whatsmystory/ "After all, everyone wants to be remembered." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MIOAKLAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A question recently arose as to how to find local county historical and genealogical societies. The link below is from the Virginia Genealogical Society, and is as good as any list out there. Many groups do not have web sites, so you have find them the old fashioned way, and contact them the old fashioned way. Good luck to all http://www.vgs.org/societies.html Craig Kilby

I have a similar situation, except that the individual was born before there was a state birth certificate.  He always used the stepfather's name.  Suggestions, George?  Joy Watkins --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Marilyn Schwartz <familyismytreasure@comcast.net> wrote: From: Marilyn Schwartz <familyismytreasure@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Unknown Names (LNU, MNU, FNU, etc., etc., ad infinitum) To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 5:19 PM Okay, George, we are learning. Now, how do we enter surnames into our databases that are changed for some reason other than marriage? My dad is an example of such a "special case." He was born in 1906 with the surname "Marks," but his birth certificate was lost in a courthouse fire in Montana. In his teen years assumed the surname of his stepdad, "Davis." The name was not legally changed, but when he applied for social security he had problems and went before a judge. The judge ruled, "Your name is what you call yourself." So, how do I enter "Marks" on my dad's genealogy entry? ****snip***

Go to State Websites: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~websites/usa/index.html Select the County in the State Website category. If there is a Historical Society available, it should be listed on the County Website. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:34 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Address for Virginia Historical and Genealogical Societies A question recently arose as to how to find local county historical and genealogical societies. The link below is from the Virginia Genealogical Society, and is as good as any list out there. Many groups do not have web sites, so you have find them the old fashioned way, and contact them the old fashioned way. Good luck to all http://www.vgs.org/societies.html Craig Kilby

My suggestion would be that you obtain the two items you not now have. You can look them as easily as I or anyone else can. On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:23 AM, germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I don't have access to Eugene Scheel's map of Rappahannock > County.? I do not have any copies of the Rappahannock County > Historical Society's cemetery surveys.?

A George Slaughter had a 300 acre patent on 28 JAN 1733 (OS). This land was noted as being adjacent to George Long and Matthew Castler who were Germans. This may indicate that George Slaughter was German, perhaps spelled Schlatter. The drift into the Slaughter spelling would be natural. Down at the Lutheran church in the Robinson River Valley, there were the following Schlat(t)er or Slature: Elisabeth, Georg, John, Margaretha, Maria, Rosina.  it is very likely that not all of the Slaughters in the Robinson River Valley were English. John john.blankenbaker@comcast.net

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I must side with George on this one! Please do use the maiden names! I don't care how many times they are married, their maiden name does not change! If at a future date, anyone finds a need to do DNA, (medical reasons for example), they won't be looking in the wrong direction... and they won't have to wonder what happened that dad's name doesn't match his fathers! Genealogy programs do have options for Adoptions, and they have notes... -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Schwartz Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:19 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Unknown Names (LNU, MNU, FNU, etc., etc., ad infinitum) Okay, George, we are learning. Now, how do we enter surnames into our databases that are changed for some reason other than marriage? My dad is an example of such a "special case." He was born in 1906 with the surname "Marks," but his birth certificate was lost in a courthouse fire in Montana. In his teen years assumed the surname of his stepdad, "Davis." The name was not legally changed, but when he applied for social security he had problems and went before a judge. The judge ruled, "Your name is what you call yourself." So, how do I enter "Marks" on my dad's genealogy entry? Sometimes I've been entering it as a second middle name, sometimes in parentheses. I believe "Davis" should be recorded as his surname, since everyone knew him as Davis, his wife and kids were named Davis, and his tombstone says Davis. Is there any convention for such cases? -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of by way of "George W. Durman"<GermannaResearch@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:06 AM To: Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Unknown Names (LNU, MNU, FNU, etc., etc., ad infinitum) [Again, old Sarge must issue a disclaimer!!!!! I don't know of ANY "English tradition" of entering a woman's maiden name in parentheses. (SORRY JOAN!) I don't worry about what a woman's MARRIED name might have been when she married another husband; I enter her name as THE BIRTH SURNAME!!!!! Then, I show that she married so-and-so; and, finally, I include a NOTE explaining what her maiden name was, what her married name was from the first husband, etc. In other words, A WOMAN'S NAME SHOULD ALWAYS BE ENTERED INTO A GENEALOGY DATABASE AS HER MAIDEN NAME!!!!! Just that, nothing more, nothing less -- let your Notes explain the rest. After all, why do genealogy programs have Notes? Do you forget to use them?] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The earlier marriage can also be entered in the database as the woman's previous husband.  There isn't really any need for a note if the information has been entered properly into whatever database one uses.  All genealogy programs that I have investigated and/or used allow for multiple marriages to be recorded. Suzanne Collins Matson "George W. Durman"<GermannaResearch@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:06 AM To: Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Unknown Names (LNU, MNU, FNU, etc., etc., ad infinitum) A WOMAN'S NAME SHOULD ALWAYS BE ENTERED INTO A GENEALOGY DATABASE AS HER MAIDEN NAME!!!!!  Just that, nothing more, nothing less -- let your Notes explain the rest.  After all, why do genealogy programs have Notes?  Do you forget to use them?]

Okay, George, we are learning. Now, how do we enter surnames into our databases that are changed for some reason other than marriage? My dad is an example of such a "special case." He was born in 1906 with the surname "Marks," but his birth certificate was lost in a courthouse fire in Montana. In his teen years assumed the surname of his stepdad, "Davis." The name was not legally changed, but when he applied for social security he had problems and went before a judge. The judge ruled, "Your name is what you call yourself." So, how do I enter "Marks" on my dad's genealogy entry? Sometimes I've been entering it as a second middle name, sometimes in parentheses. I believe "Davis" should be recorded as his surname, since everyone knew him as Davis, his wife and kids were named Davis, and his tombstone says Davis. Is there any convention for such cases? -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of by way of "George W. Durman"<GermannaResearch@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:06 AM To: Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Unknown Names (LNU, MNU, FNU, etc., etc., ad infinitum) [Again, old Sarge must issue a disclaimer!!!!! I don't know of ANY "English tradition" of entering a woman's maiden name in parentheses. (SORRY JOAN!) I don't worry about what a woman's MARRIED name might have been when she married another husband; I enter her name as THE BIRTH SURNAME!!!!! Then, I show that she married so-and-so; and, finally, I include a NOTE explaining what her maiden name was, what her married name was from the first husband, etc. In other words, A WOMAN'S NAME SHOULD ALWAYS BE ENTERED INTO A GENEALOGY DATABASE AS HER MAIDEN NAME!!!!! Just that, nothing more, nothing less -- let your Notes explain the rest. After all, why do genealogy programs have Notes? Do you forget to use them?]