POWELLs married into our SMITH line in the mid-1800s, there was also a HUNT connection; but what time and location are you questioning? (Sorry to be so late to ask, my computer has been down!) Carol Bradbury -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: [GERMANNA] Smith/Garr Naming Patterns John M. (1771-1846, son of John & Margaret (Wilhoit) Garr) & Mary 1776-1841, dau of John & Elizabeth (?) Smith) Garr, appears to have named heir hildren after various family members. Below are the 8 children of John & ary (Smith) Garr: 1. Elizabeth Garr - Mary (Smith) Garr's mother was Elizabeth, as was her ister. . Margaret Garr - John M. Garr's mother was Margaret. . Aaron Smith Garr - Mary's brother was Aaron Smith. . Michael Smith Garr - Mary's brother was Michael Smith. . Ann Barlow Garr - Mary's sister was Ann & Ann m. Ambrose Barlow. . Martha Powell Garr - Mary's sister was Martha - did she m. a Powell? . John Powell Garr - Mary's father, brother & husband were John. owell? . William Hun Garr - Clueless on this ... nary a William or a Hun in the amily. oes anyone know how the surnames of Powell or Hun connect to either the mith or Garr families? egards - ynnea f you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

In an earlier post I gave census records showing Jerimiah McRae Wilhoite and Fannie E. Stith to be parents of Donald McRae Wilhoite, Sr. No census record showing complete family as Don Sr. was born after 1880 census. Finally found Fannie E. Wilhoit(e) age 40 widow and daughter Leslie age 12 in 1900 census Washington DC living on M Street. Census also said Fannie had 8 children/7living. Jeremiah McRae's parents Benjamin Garr Wilhoit and Eunice (said to be a Walker in other reportings) Check list archives for complete post. Shelley ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Don Raye (Don McRae Wilhoite, Jr.) > Anyone, > Looking for the parents of Donald MacRae Wilhoite, Sr. > > Irv

Chocy, I think that there are many of us who descend from this man through his various children. Even though Jacob Miller is not really Germanna ......please keep this discussion on this list because it is of interest. I think that we are in agreement that there was at least one or two and perhaps three (if Mary was wife of John Yeager of Piney Woods) intermarriages between these two families. I have not seen Jacob's will for myself, but I have been told that his will mentions The following was from Craig Kilby July 2002 to Germanna He makes in CAPS and BLUE but my data base erased the blue when I saved it. on 06/28/02 8:35 PM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Frederick Co. Va. ( now Shenandoah Co. ) > 1766 Jacob Miller Sr dies. FREDERICK COUNTY WILL BOOK 3, PAGE 339; DATED 24 Feb 1760, PROVED 3 June 1766 > wife- Barbara ( she later marries Henry Ott) > Children: > Jacob W. Miller Jr m. Rebecca YEAGER, DAUGHTER OF ADAM YEAGER. THESE ARE THE TWO WHO SOLD THE PINEY WOODS LAND IN MADISON COUNTY TO PINEY WOODS JOHN YAGER IN 1772 >1. Ulrick Miller > Joseph Miller m. Barbara [DELETE THIS AS A SON, HE WAS A GRANDSON] >2. Christian Miller m. Catharine >3. Barbara Miller m. Joseph Yeager , son of Adam Yeager > Margaret Miller m. Ulrick Moyer Jr. NO SUCH DAUGHTER NAMED IN HIS WILL >5. Mary Miller m. Polser Hoover 6. MARTIN MILLER >7. Susan/ Susanna m. Peter Wolfenberger > Witt: to Jacob Miller Sr's will were George Deacon, Adam Yeager, John Cook, > John Rolfenffer WITNESSES WERE GEORGE DEACON, ADAM YEAGER, JOHN COOK AND HENRY OTT. NO JOHN ROLFENFFER IS MENTIONED. INVENTORY OF ESTATE: FREDERICK COUNTY WILL BOOK 3, pp. 347-350. Appraised AUG 1766 by George Seller, Sr., George Seller, Jr. and Mr. Henry ----- Returned to Court 5 AUG 1766. Includes "all the books both English & Dutch", servant man George Duncan, servant "man" Elizabeth Smith, and 83 notes and bills due--none of which say from whom. Total value was £527.3.1 I descend from his son, Christian, who others say was married to Catherine Wiseman. Here is what I have in my data base about Christian: > Christian Miller was the third son of Jacob and Barbara Miller. > A newspaper account at his death states that he was the last of > the soldiers of the revolution in Shenandoah county, and that his > funeral was the largest ever seen in that town. > From August 1780 to May 1781 he was a Sergeant in Captain > Jacob Rinker’s Virginia Company of Continental soldiers. > Kercheval, the historian, refers to him several times regarding > some of the old German customs and the Indian raids around Woodstock. > He has been described as being “Rather tall and portly with > brown eyes and clean shaven face, his hair in a queue. He wore a > cocked hat, long blue coat a frilled shirt and stock, yellow > waistcoat, grayish homespun breeches and low shoes with silver > buckles.” He was comfortably well off. > In 1771 he married Catherine Wiseman, born 1746, and died in > May 1837, who bore him ten children, eight of whom grew to maturity > and married, leaving descendents that are now scattered in sixteen > southern and western states. in all branches of the family there > are many who have held offices of public trust and honor, from the > lowest coumty offices to those of the State Assembly and Autditor; > one sat in Congress for several years an another was a personal > friend of President Cleveland and his Commisioner of Intenal > Revenue. They have done their duty on the bbblefield, too (listed > on the next page 145 is army positions, occupations, and shcools > that the descendents have attended.) The source is Genealogies of West Virginia Families from the WV Historical Magazine Quarterly 1901-1905, Marsha Moses On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:42 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Betty, > I was working on my "Jacob MILLER of Woodstock, the Immigrant" > file > this evening and while I was entering a source for his daughter, > Mary MILLER > that verifies that she was the wife of Palser/Balthaser HOOVER, I > found a > note to myself that Betty believes that John YEAGER of Piney Woods > could be > her husband. > I don't know how long my note has been "hanging out" in the > file; but > thought I would ask if you do believe that, if ever you believed, > that John > YEAGER of Piney Woods was her husband and if so then she was > married more > than once. > I would like to delete the note if you "for sure" do NOT think > that > John YEAGER of Piney Woods was ever married to Mary MILLER, the > daughter of > Jacob Miller. > Thanks, > Chocy > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on- > line data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Anyone, Looking for the parents of Donald MacRae Wilhoite, Sr. Irv

Betty, I was working on my "Jacob MILLER of Woodstock, the Immigrant" file this evening and while I was entering a source for his daughter, Mary MILLER that verifies that she was the wife of Palser/Balthaser HOOVER, I found a note to myself that Betty believes that John YEAGER of Piney Woods could be her husband. I don't know how long my note has been "hanging out" in the file; but thought I would ask if you do believe that, if ever you believed, that John YEAGER of Piney Woods was her husband and if so then she was married more than once. I would like to delete the note if you "for sure" do NOT think that John YEAGER of Piney Woods was ever married to Mary MILLER, the daughter of Jacob Miller. Thanks, Chocy

I should have noted that the deed from Philip Windle to Christopher, Sr is from Christopher's son, Philip! Too confusing with so many of them with the same name! Barb Price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:17:57 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] WENDEL Yes, there is a Philip Wendel, aged 34, that accompanied Augustine Wendel on the ship, "Samuel,": "Strassberger's "Pennsylvania German Pioneers," Vol. I, pp. 60, 64 and 65, shows that Augustinus Wendell, aged 16, and Philip Wendel, aged 34, arrived in Philadelphia Aug. 11, 1732 on the ship "Samuel." ...."Philip Wendel, who according to the record was b. 1698, was probably an older brother or an uncle of Augustine (we may note here that the eldest son of Christopher and Catherine Bromback Windle was named Philip). This older Philip seems to have been too young to have been the father of Augustine, and nothing further is know of him. Christopher and Valentine Windle must have come to America later, for Philip and Augustine came over by themselves in 1732. That particular ship's list contains the names of women and children, as well as males over 16, and no Windle women or children appear." The Wendel/Windles were definitely in the valley prior to 1743 because the marriage of Catherine Brumback and Christopher took place around 1737-8. There's a deed in Prince William Co., deeding away the Germantown land of Melchior Brumback, the First Colonist, and Catherine's father and Christopher Wingle is mentioned, this was in 1746. There is also a 1774 deed from Philip Windle to Christopher Windle, Sr regarding land granted to Philip in 1760, which would put his date of birth at least as early as 1739, more proof that they were there prior to 1743. Barb Price In a message dated 7/11/2010 10:57:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In a message dated 7/11/2010 9:57:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: He goes on to state that all 3 brothers that came to America, Augustine, Christopher and Valentine, were naturalized on 5 May 1747 in Frederick Co., VA, "being German Protestants who had lived in Virginia over 7 years, and that they had all taken the sacrament in preparation for naturalization from Rev. Samuel Klug (who was the second pastor of Hebron Lutheran Church)". He notes that this record is located in Frederick County Order Book 2, p. 238. Hopefully, you can get this record!! I hope this helps and let us know what you find! Barb Price Barb, This puts all three brothers in the Valley before 1743. Does the book mention if their father came too? I have been told that Hans Philip WENDEL did come and died in Shenandoah County. I have the following survey and thought that this may be him. "Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys-Frederick County-1747-1780" Volume II Page 160 Philip VENDALL/WENDAL, assignee of Christopher VANDALL 17 Feb 1751, 25 Apr 1752 220 acres on Toms Brooks. Adjoining Christopher's late survey. CC: Vallintine WENDALL, Ulrick STONER and Mathias GABBERT Surveyor: Robert RUTHERFORD. If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is what I have on Philip WENDLE son of Christopher WENDLE as a point of separation from the other two Philip WENDLEs: "Shenandoah County, Virginia Will Book No. 1" Page 95 Philip WINDEL, Senior of Shenandoah County, Virginia Will: 18 Dec 1813 Probated: 8 Aug 1814 Named as his wife: Elizabeth WINDEL Named as his daughters: Barbara, the wife of John ZENTMEYER; Rebecca WENDEL. Named as his sons: Christian WINDEL and Daniel WINDEL to have his blacksmith tools. Named as his son: Philip WINDEL to have a piece of land. Named as his son: Emanuel WINDEL to have a piece of land. Named as three sons: David WINDEL, Christian WINDEL, and Daniel WINDEL to have my land and plantationI now live on situated and lying on both sides of Tom Brooks adjoining land of my brother, John WINDEL and Abraham SMOOTZ and others. Executor: Emanuel WINDEL, son Witnesses: Samuel R. BADER, Frances REESE, and _______(German signature) "Shenandoah County, Virginia Deed Book K" Page 397 14 Sep 1796 Between Martin BLACK of County of Sheandoah to John MAUCK and Philip WINDLE, John WINDLE, Christopher WINDLE and Daniel WINDLE, sons and Mary SNAPP and Elizbeth HOFFMAN and Catharine CONRAD --- Mary, Elizabeth and Catharine are daughters of Christopher WINDLE (now deceased), as Executors of Peter MAUCK (deceased), did by their certain deeds of Lease and Release the 27th of May 1772 convey to Martin BLACK a certain tract f land --- for and in consideration of one hundred and sixty pounds --- Martin BLACK hath released acquitted and discarged the said John MAUCK, his heir's executors and administrators, as also the said children and heirs of Christopher WINDLE, deceased --- of and from General Warranty in the aforesaid deed --- Signed by Martin "+" BLACK Witnesses: P. WILLIAMS; J. STIEGEL; Danl. SMITH Recorded: 10 Jan 1797

In a message dated 7/11/2010 11:18:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This older Philip seems to have been too young to have been the father of Augustine, and nothing further is know of him. Christopher and Valentine Windle must have come to America later, for Philip and Augustine came over by themselves in 1732. That particular ship's list contains the names of women and children, as well as males over 16, and no Windle women or children appear Barbara, RITTERs came on the Ship Samuel arriving 17 Aug 1731, Rotterdam to Philadelphia. Some aboard end up in the Valley of Virginia. WENDELs coming on the Ship Samuel arriving 11 Aug 1732, Rotterdam to Philadelphia one year later. Hum. I have 1 Jan 1680 as a birth year for Hans "Philip" WENDEL the said father of the brothers Augustine, Christopher and Valentine WENDEL. If the Philip WENDEL aboard the Ship Samuel was born in 1698, he would be 18 years younger than Philip WENDEL, born in 1680. If the older Philip married at 16 or 17, which is possible, a son by 1680 is possible. Joist HITE was married at 19 years, so young marriages were not uncommon. I have another child for Philip WENDLE (1680) as Anna Petronella WENDEL. She married Johann "Peter" BECKER/BAKER and their son Nicholas BAKER was the father of the Hieronymus BAKER, I believe, that was mentioned in the survey for the Lutheran and Dutch Chappel or Society of Dutch Protestants I previously posted. BECKER/BAKER family from Framersheim, Rhineland Phalz, Germany. Hieronymus BAKER's brother Philip Peter BECKER/BAKER was married to Barbara SNAPP. She had a brother, John SNAPP that "could" be the John SNAPP, Sr. mentioned in the above church survey. Anyhow, back to the source work and see if I can keep "slugging" away at this and come up with some good documention. Thank you for everything! Chocy

Yes, there is a Philip Wendel, aged 34, that accompanied Augustine Wendel on the ship, "Samuel,": "Strassberger's "Pennsylvania German Pioneers," Vol. I, pp. 60, 64 and 65, shows that Augustinus Wendell, aged 16, and Philip Wendel, aged 34, arrived in Philadelphia Aug. 11, 1732 on the ship "Samuel." ...."Philip Wendel, who according to the record was b. 1698, was probably an older brother or an uncle of Augustine (we may note here that the eldest son of Christopher and Catherine Bromback Windle was named Philip). This older Philip seems to have been too young to have been the father of Augustine, and nothing further is know of him. Christopher and Valentine Windle must have come to America later, for Philip and Augustine came over by themselves in 1732. That particular ship's list contains the names of women and children, as well as males over 16, and no Windle women or children appear." The Wendel/Windles were definitely in the valley prior to 1743 because the marriage of Catherine Brumback and Christopher took place around 1737-8. There's a deed in Prince William Co., deeding away the Germantown land of Melchior Brumback, the First Colonist, and Catherine's father and Christopher Wingle is mentioned, this was in 1746. There is also a 1774 deed from Philip Windle to Christopher Windle, Sr regarding land granted to Philip in 1760, which would put his date of birth at least as early as 1739, more proof that they were there prior to 1743. Barb Price In a message dated 7/11/2010 10:57:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In a message dated 7/11/2010 9:57:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: He goes on to state that all 3 brothers that came to America, Augustine, Christopher and Valentine, were naturalized on 5 May 1747 in Frederick Co., VA, "being German Protestants who had lived in Virginia over 7 years, and that they had all taken the sacrament in preparation for naturalization from Rev. Samuel Klug (who was the second pastor of Hebron Lutheran Church)". He notes that this record is located in Frederick County Order Book 2, p. 238. Hopefully, you can get this record!! I hope this helps and let us know what you find! Barb Price Barb, This puts all three brothers in the Valley before 1743. Does the book mention if their father came too? I have been told that Hans Philip WENDEL did come and died in Shenandoah County. I have the following survey and thought that this may be him. "Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys-Frederick County-1747-1780" Volume II Page 160 Philip VENDALL/WENDAL, assignee of Christopher VANDALL 17 Feb 1751, 25 Apr 1752 220 acres on Toms Brooks. Adjoining Christopher's late survey. CC: Vallintine WENDALL, Ulrick STONER and Mathias GABBERT Surveyor: Robert RUTHERFORD. If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Enoch Barlow was in Woodford County, which divided in 1792 with Scott County coming out of it. Barlow's marriage to Jane Seller/Sellers shows up in records of both counties, but their marriage (1804) took place in Georgetown (Scott County). They moved to central Indiana in about 1824-27. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Winifred K Miller" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:35:46 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Other Germans in Woodford, KY John Wilhite and Lucy Stapp went to Woodford County, KY. Their son Tobias and Nancy Margaret Ellis were married there in 1801. John signed their marriage papers. As far as I can find out Joshua Stapp Jr. and Hannah Durham also were there. If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/11/2010 9:57:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: He goes on to state that all 3 brothers that came to America, Augustine, Christopher and Valentine, were naturalized on 5 May 1747 in Frederick Co., VA, "being German Protestants who had lived in Virginia over 7 years, and that they had all taken the sacrament in preparation for naturalization from Rev. Samuel Klug (who was the second pastor of Hebron Lutheran Church)". He notes that this record is located in Frederick County Order Book 2, p. 238. Hopefully, you can get this record!! I hope this helps and let us know what you find! Barb Price Barb, This puts all three brothers in the Valley before 1743. Does the book mention if their father came too? I have been told that Hans Philip WENDEL did come and died in Shenandoah County. I have the following survey and thought that this may be him. "Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys-Frederick County-1747-1780" Volume II Page 160 Philip VENDALL/WENDAL, assignee of Christopher VANDALL 17 Feb 1751, 25 Apr 1752 220 acres on Toms Brooks. Adjoining Christopher's late survey. CC: Vallintine WENDALL, Ulrick STONER and Mathias GABBERT Surveyor: Robert RUTHERFORD.

Here is the Bondsman information: "Shenandoah County, Virginia Marriage Bonds 1772-1853" John WINDLE to Catherine WINDLE; 10 Feb 1790; Shenandoah County, Virginia; Bondsman: Jonathan WINDLE; Bond Book

Michaele, There is a discussion about the Windle/Wendel family in BC Holtzclaw's, Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1714-1750, pgs. 73-82. He does discuss Valentine Wendel and states that his son, John, married his cousin, Catherine Windle, the daughter of John Windle--he's the son of Christopher Wendel, Valentine's brother. Their marriage bond is in Shenandoah County with a marriage date of 10 Feb 1790. He goes on to state that all 3 brothers that came to America, Augustine, Christopher and Valentine, were naturalized on 5 May 1747 in Frederick Co., VA, "being German Protestants who had lived in Virginia over 7 years, and that they had all taken the sacrament in preparation for naturalization from Rev. Samuel Klug (who was the second pastor of Hebron Lutheran Church)". He notes that this record is located in Frederick County Order Book 2, p. 238. Hopefully, you can get this record!! I hope this helps and let us know what you find! Barb Price In a message dated 7/11/2010 8:12:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: When did this survey take place? I am descended from a Johan Valentine Windell/Wendel (1711-1787) and a John Snapp (1695-1762). Valentine was in Frederick Co. in 1737 then shortly thereafter moved to Shenandoah Co. John was in Frederick Co. by 1735 until his death. He had a son named John Jr. but I don't know anything else about him. Could those mentioned in the survey have been the same as my my ancestors? Thanks, Michaele ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 6:27:59 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] WENDEL: Society of Dutch Protestants & Lutheran Church Surveyed for John SNAP, Senior; George DELLENGER; Vallentine WENDAL for the use of the Dutch Chappel or Society of Dutch Protestants, including the said Chappel. This was being done with the Lutheran Church. Is the Dutch Chappel the same as the Society of Dutch Protestants as a religion. Or the Dutch Chappel a part of the facility that the Lutherans and Dutch Protestants seem to be preparing to erect? This is the first time I have come across a reference to the Society of Dutch Protestants. Chocy If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michaele, I am just now sourcing some of the family; but from information that I have "not" sourced, I have Valentine WENDEL's brother's marriage in 1743 in Germany. That may or may not be correct; however, IF that is correct and IF they came to America together they would not have been in the Valley of Virginia in 1737. So, far the surveys are covering the years beginning 1750; but I have not done all the work here and I have not gone back "yet" to source deeds and so forth. There is a John SNAP in the following survey: "Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys-Frederick County-1747-1780" Volume II Page 98-99 Lutheran Church and Congregation No warrant. Surveyed: 20 Dec 1751 200 acres on the west side of North River on the drains of the said river. CC: Lewis STEPHENS and Frederick DELLENGER Marker: Daniel CURRY Surveyor: Robert RUTHERFORD Surveyed for John SNAP, Senior; George DELLENGER; Vallentine WENDAL for the use of the Dutch Chappel or Society of Dutch Protestants, including the said Chappel. Survey verso: The survey was in John SNAP's name which was marked through with Heironimous BAKER &c written above it. Below was written, "At the Request of Laurance SNAPP and by Consent of His Lordship Deed to issue in the names of Hieronimus BAKER, Martin ROLLER, Laurence SNAPP and Henry FELKNER, Elders of the Lutheran Church and Congregation and their Sucessors for the Time being for ever. The following survey is in the Jacob KACKLEY, Sr. (1702-1788) neighborhood and two of his children and those of his wife Alice SPEILMAN married two of John and Catherine SNAPP's children (don't have anything on this SNAPP family). "Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys-Frederick County-1747-1780" Volume II Page 162 Valentine WANDALL No warrant Surveyed: 24 Apr 1750 200 acres on Toms Brook where he lives. Adjoining George SELLER, Mary LITTLE, Augustine WANDALL CC: Wolrick STONER and Rynard BAUDEN (BORDEN) Surveyor: John BAYLIS. "Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys-Frederick County-1747-1780" Volume II Page 93 Mary, George and John LITTLE No warrent Surveyed: 23 Apr 1750 400 acres where Mary now lives on Toms Brook (house shown on plat). Adjoining George SELLER and Oliver STONER; Wolrich STONER, Rynard BAUDEN; Augustine WANDALL; Vallintine WANDALL; John HUDDLE; Gadlop GABBORD CC: Captain John DENTON and Christopher WANDALL Surveyor: John BAYLIS. Surveyed for Mary LITTLE, widow of Thomas LITTLE, deceased, who willed land to Mary and then to sons, George and John. Hope something here helps, Chocy

There are multiple files on the internet naming the wife of Michael Thomas, son of John -- mostly Harrensburger -- or similar. Just wanted to put my two cents into the pot to say that I don't think that Michael got married until he got to NC -- possibly he went there before his father and his 1/2 brothers-- Census records indicate that his wife was born In NC as were his children. Barbara was born 1750-1755 NC Rockingham Co., NC 1880 census for her son James has James born NC, father born VA and mother born NC - 1830 census gives the age of Barbara Census for her 92 y/o daughter in 1880 has NC NC NC Adam, son of Michael and Barbara was over age 45 in 1810 (before 1775)-- 1880 Census for his daughter had NC NC NC as birth pattern. Just a few thoughts for this Sunday AM. Take care. Marilyn

Elke, The family of Johan "Philip" WENDEL was said to have come from Framersheim, Rhineland, Pfalz, Germany. Augustine, Valentine and Christopher WENDEL families, over the first generations married into different branches of my Shenandoah County families, as well as being neighbors. Jacob KACKLEY, Sr., born about 1702 in Steinhelm, Wurenberg, Germany married Alice SPIELMAN. One of their sons, Jacob KACKLEY married Sarah SNAPP and their son married Sarah WENDLE the granddaughter of Augustine WENDEL born 1714 at Framersheim, Rhineland, Pfalz, Germany. I work on this family off and on, as things develop in my overall research and from what I have so far it looks like "this" WENDEL family did not arrive in America until quite a few years after 1743. Your John Wendel THOMAS, born 1712 at Neuenburg, Kraichtal, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany would have been in the same age bracket as Augustine WENDEL , born 1714 at Framersheim, Rhineland, Pfalz, Germany. Jacob KACKLEY, Sr., born 1702 may connect to the THOMAS homeland neighborhood (I have not research it) but coming to America later. Philip WENDEL's son Christopher WENDEL (brother to Augustine, above) married Melchior BRUMBACK's daughter Maria Catherine. One of the husbands of her sister, Maria Gertraudt "Mary" BRUMBACK married John Jacob NISWANDER/NEUSCHWANGER (have not had time to do anything on him). My 7th great grandfather, Jost HITE, born 1685 at Bonfeld, Kraichgau, Neckarland, Baden-Wurttenburg, Germany married the widow of Christian NISWANDER after the death of my grandmother. The above is a "lousy" attempt to briefly give you an idea about where "this" WINDLE family was in relationship to your THOMAS family that came earlier. Chocy

When did this survey take place? I am descended from a Johan Valentine Windell/Wendel (1711-1787) and a John Snapp (1695-1762). Valentine was in Frederick Co. in 1737 then shortly thereafter moved to Shenandoah Co. John was in Frederick Co. by 1735 until his death. He had a son named John Jr. but I don't know anything else about him. Could those mentioned in the survey have been the same as my my ancestors? Thanks, Michaele ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 6:27:59 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] WENDEL: Society of Dutch Protestants & Lutheran Church Surveyed for John SNAP, Senior; George DELLENGER; Vallentine WENDAL for the use of the Dutch Chappel or Society of Dutch Protestants, including the said Chappel. This was being done with the Lutheran Church. Is the Dutch Chappel the same as the Society of Dutch Protestants as a religion. Or the Dutch Chappel a part of the facility that the Lutherans and Dutch Protestants seem to be preparing to erect? This is the first time I have come across a reference to the Society of Dutch Protestants. Chocy

Just curious about the Wendel surname -- where and when was this family found. Always interested in WENDEL because Johannes and Anna Maria Blankenbaker Thoma named their first son - Hans WENDEL Thoma -- and we nothing of the mother of Johannes. Take care. Marilyn Elke, Thank you. I just now found another survey which shows "Christophel" WENDEL as a witness. This is Christopher WENDEL.

I would be inclined to think that "Dutch" means German. The Society of Dutch Protestants might be the governing body of a Union church used by the German Lutherans and German Reformed. John Blankenbaker On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 6:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > John, >    Thank you also for your explaination concerning  Christopher. >     You or someone else may know about the  following church: > > Surveyed for John SNAP, Senior; George DELLENGER; Vallentine WENDAL for > the use of the Dutch Chappel or Society of Dutch Protestants, including the > said  Chappel. > >    This was being done with the Lutheran Church. Is  the Dutch Chappel the > same as the Society of Dutch Protestants as a religion. Or  the Dutch > Chappel a part of the facility that the Lutherans and Dutch  Protestants seem to > be preparing to erect? >    This is the first time I have come across a  reference to the Society > of Dutch Protestants. > Chocy > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Blankenbaker

Chocy, in Bavaria we also have another little meaning for "Stoffel": When you say: Der ist ein Stoffel! = He is a Stoffel! That means he is not greeting you when you pass him or saying anything to you. Don't know why we say that, I am sure not every Stoffel is a Stoffel. :) Just checked on the Internet and found the same: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2326121.aspx?p=1 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Given name: "Stuphell" in German ? Elke, Thank you. I just now found another survey which shows "Christophel" WENDEL as a witness. This is Christopher WENDEL. When I saw a survey with the stand alone "Stuphell," I thought, could this be the brother Johannes that I have nothing else on? Thanks again for verifying because when it comes to the English spelling the early German names anything can pop-up! Chocy If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message