I am researching a man named Conrath GEEHR, who suffered a shipwreck on his way from Rotterdam to Philadelphia in 1738. I read several messages on RootsWeb that said this surname was changed to KARR or CARR. I then wondered if any of the GARR settlers in Germanna were related to him. There were other survivors from the wreck (Dieter/Teter family) who moved to the Robinson River Valley in VA not long after reaching Philadelphia. Anyone with information, please write! Jill

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Jennie Magan <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jennie Magan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Your e-mail of 6/28/10 To: "VAUGHN YEAGER" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 1:27 PM Vaughn,  My computer has a new life.  It was fixed yestereday and therefore I am trying to respond to my important mail.  Yes, post this email if you choose!  Thank you,  Jennie From: VAUGHN YEAGER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 11:15:39 PM Subject: Re: Your e-mail of 6/28/10 Jennie, Would you care if I posted this e-mail to the Germanna-Colonies ? There is a possibliity that we could garner some info from some one that is following this same line of research.and interest as are we.  Are you a member of the Germanna Foundation?.   Vaughn --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Jennie Magan <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jennie Magan <[email protected]> Subject: Adam Yager of Woodstock! To: [email protected] Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 6:08 PM I read, with interest, your Germanna Y-DNA posting today.  I am also descended from Adam Yaqer of Woodstock and John Yager of Piney Woods through John's son, John Henry Yager.  I became a member of the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution as a descendant of John H. Yager.  I am very interested in the ancestry of Adam Yager of Woodstock.  It is my understanding that he was from the Germantown, Pennsylvania, area.  Do you have any information on Adam's parentage?  I did some research on he and his wife, Susannah Gorgas, and found that she was a descendant of Wilheim Rittenhousen, the first Minnonite minister in America.  He also was a paper maker in Germany and when in Pennsylvania, William Penn had him made a free person as he started the first paper mill there.  It is my understanding that the Pennsylvania Mint was his. I thank you for your response to my above ramblings.  I would love to hear from you regarding this family. Sincerely, Jennie O'Connor Magan

I am trying to find the parents of David Grimm born about 1771 in either Virginia or Maryland. He was married to Catherine Fortney in Frederick Co., MD in 1797. I saw that there are two Grimms listed in your database and I would like to know if one of them could be related. I would appreciate any help you could give me. Shirley Bonkowski

Hi Sarge -- yes I believe we are talking about the same Joel Jr. I have not researched in years -- and I do recall James Hembree married to a Bird but her line in totally unknown Back when I did research I really did not do much with siblings so I do not know all the children of Joel and Sarah Hembree. I am through their son Hugh Lawson Hembree. I dont recall ever seeing proof that James Hembree's wife was Sarah Bird and her line is completely unknown (to me anyway) Gail Ann Adams In a message dated 8/31/2010 2:23:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Gail, Joel Bird HEMBREE, Jr., married Sarah "Sally" WILHOIT. The parents of Joel, Jr., were: Joel Bird HEMBREE, Sr., and Mary Hannah PETTIT The parents of Joel, Sr., were: James HEMBREE and Sarah BIRD Joel, Jr.; Joel, Sr., and James were from Spartanburg, Spartanburg Co., SC, as were Mary Hannah PETTIT and Sarah BIRD. It seems that both the HEMBREE and BIRD families came originally from VA. I can find no connection between the SC BIRD families and the TN BIRD families, although there is probably a tie-in somewhere, especially since the BIRD families of TN often married into the same families as the HEMBREE families. Also, even though Joel, Jr., and Sarah WILHOIT had 9 children, I find only one with a middle name of BIRD, and that was Joel Bird HEMBREE, III. Are we speaking of the same Joel, Jr.? Joel's and Sarah's children were: Benjamin Franklin HEMBREE, b.1830, Roane Co., TN Julia Ann HEMBREE, b.1832, Roane Co., TN Andrew Jackson HEMBREE, b.23 Jul 1834, Roane Co., TN Sarah Alvira HEMBREE, b.1837, Roane Co., TN John HEMBREE, b.1839, Roane Co., TN William Jordan HEMBREE, b.13 Sep 1842, Roane Co., TN Thomas HEMBREE, b.1843, Roane Co., TN Joel Bird HEMBREE, III, b.20 Jun 1845, Roane Co., TN Hugh Lawson HEMBREE, b.16 Jun 1850, Roane Co., TN Sarge George W. Durman At 8/29/2010 09:27 PM Sunday, [email protected] wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Thank you all -- or ya'll as we say in va. > >Interesting as my last Wilhoite (Sally/Sarah) married >a Hembree and him and their sons all used Bird for their >middle names.. I was told it was for a Bird on the Hembree >side, now it seems it may be the Wilhoite side (or maybe both). > >Again, that you for your input -- though I was hoping someone >had proven her line back to Adam and Eve....hahahaha > >Gail Ann Adams **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gail, Joel Bird HEMBREE, Jr., married Sarah "Sally" WILHOIT. The parents of Joel, Jr., were: Joel Bird HEMBREE, Sr., and Mary Hannah PETTIT The parents of Joel, Sr., were: James HEMBREE and Sarah BIRD Joel, Jr.; Joel, Sr., and James were from Spartanburg, Spartanburg Co., SC, as were Mary Hannah PETTIT and Sarah BIRD. It seems that both the HEMBREE and BIRD families came originally from VA. I can find no connection between the SC BIRD families and the TN BIRD families, although there is probably a tie-in somewhere, especially since the BIRD families of TN often married into the same families as the HEMBREE families. Also, even though Joel, Jr., and Sarah WILHOIT had 9 children, I find only one with a middle name of BIRD, and that was Joel Bird HEMBREE, III. Are we speaking of the same Joel, Jr.? Joel's and Sarah's children were: Benjamin Franklin HEMBREE, b.1830, Roane Co., TN Julia Ann HEMBREE, b.1832, Roane Co., TN Andrew Jackson HEMBREE, b.23 Jul 1834, Roane Co., TN Sarah Alvira HEMBREE, b.1837, Roane Co., TN John HEMBREE, b.1839, Roane Co., TN William Jordan HEMBREE, b.13 Sep 1842, Roane Co., TN Thomas HEMBREE, b.1843, Roane Co., TN Joel Bird HEMBREE, III, b.20 Jun 1845, Roane Co., TN Hugh Lawson HEMBREE, b.16 Jun 1850, Roane Co., TN Sarge George W. Durman At 8/29/2010 09:27 PM Sunday, [email protected] wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Thank you all -- or ya'll as we say in va. > >Interesting as my last Wilhoite (Sally/Sarah) married >a Hembree and him and their sons all used Bird for their >middle names.. I was told it was for a Bird on the Hembree >side, now it seems it may be the Wilhoite side (or maybe both). > >Again, that you for your input -- though I was hoping someone >had proven her line back to Adam and Eve....hahahaha > >Gail Ann Adams **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Susan, The Neuenbürg (note the spelling) that you want is close to Bruchsal and the northern one of the two Neuenbürgs. It is within walking distance of Oberöwisheim where they went to church. Unless your map is very detailed you will not find it as it is a very small village.Of course it is an error about Ursula Ruop's mother. Don't trust anything on the internet. John On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:12 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks so much John.  I have searched on google  and located  a Neuenberg > in Karlsruhe same region as Otisheim,  home of Johannes Breil/Broyles.  Is > this the correct Neuenburg?  I  noted some on the internet have located one > Neuenburg in Schwarzwald, which  is near Switzerland and  have also indicated > that Ursula Ruop's mother was  Anna Barbara Schone, Cyriacus Fleshman's wife > and Maria Catherine's Fleshman's  mother.  This seems impossible as > according to my records Anna Barbara  Schone was married to  Blankenbaker when > Ursula was born and Ursula's  father was alive when she married.  I will get a > copy of the Germanna  booklet, I have the new Family Tree Maker that brings > in ancestry files  very easily and I am finding a lot of contradictory > information as  expand my file. > > Susan > > > In a message dated 8/29/2010 4:24:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > The name  Isom, which does occur in the "Hebron" church records, should > be read as  Eastham, not Isham. It certainly does appear that Cyriacus > Fleshman was  born in Klings. The name Fleshman is the most common name > in Klings  churchyard. However this is not proof that Cyriacus came > from Klings. Anna  Barbara Schone was married three times, to a > Blankenbaker, a Schlucter, and  to Fleshman (using some English > spellings). One must be careful about  Neuenbürg because there are two > of these and they are only about 20 miles  apart. Both are in > Baden-Württemberg today. I recommend Germanna Record 18  and the Beyond > Germanna CD for much more extensive elaborations of these  points. Both > are obtainable from the Germanna Foundation. > > John  Blankenbaker > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to  your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from  the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the  message > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Blankenbaker

Thanks so much John. I have searched on google and located a Neuenberg in Karlsruhe same region as Otisheim, home of Johannes Breil/Broyles. Is this the correct Neuenburg? I noted some on the internet have located one Neuenburg in Schwarzwald, which is near Switzerland and have also indicated that Ursula Ruop's mother was Anna Barbara Schone, Cyriacus Fleshman's wife and Maria Catherine's Fleshman's mother. This seems impossible as according to my records Anna Barbara Schone was married to Blankenbaker when Ursula was born and Ursula's father was alive when she married. I will get a copy of the Germanna booklet, I have the new Family Tree Maker that brings in ancestry files very easily and I am finding a lot of contradictory information as expand my file. Susan In a message dated 8/29/2010 4:24:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The name Isom, which does occur in the "Hebron" church records, should be read as Eastham, not Isham. It certainly does appear that Cyriacus Fleshman was born in Klings. The name Fleshman is the most common name in Klings churchyard. However this is not proof that Cyriacus came from Klings. Anna Barbara Schone was married three times, to a Blankenbaker, a Schlucter, and to Fleshman (using some English spellings). One must be careful about Neuenbürg because there are two of these and they are only about 20 miles apart. Both are in Baden-Württemberg today. I recommend Germanna Record 18 and the Beyond Germanna CD for much more extensive elaborations of these points. Both are obtainable from the Germanna Foundation. John Blankenbaker If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all -- or ya'll as we say in va. Interesting as my last Wilhoite (Sally/Sarah) married a Hembree and him and their sons all used Bird for their middle names.. I was told it was for a Bird on the Hembree side, now it seems it may be the Wilhoite side (or maybe both). Again, that you for your input -- though I was hoping someone had proven her line back to Adam and Eve....hahahaha Gail Ann Adams In a message dated 8/29/2010 9:20:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The SEATON, WILHOIT, BIRD/BYRD, and RYMAL families intermarried many times in Green County, TN. They are all related.

At 8/29/2010 08:01 AM Sunday, Rick Willhite wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Gail, > >Here are some ideas that I hope might help - > >A document entitled: "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" Transcribed >by, Marla Penn. > >At this URL: http://genealogytrails.com/tenn/greene/marriage.html > >Lists: WILHOIT, Elijah marrying SEATON, Elizabeth on 1 mar 1797 with a >"BONDSMANS" being: Security: John Bird > >This same document also lists 3 male Seatons being married: > >SEATON, Jacob RYMAL, Sally 30 Apr 1816 >SEATON, James HISE, Junny 28 Sep 1811 Security: David Bird and Samuel >Seaton >SEATON, John BIRD, Sarah 28 Dec 1793 Security: John Byrd > >I mention these 3 Seaton men as they might be related, and men are often >easier to research. Men's names were recorded more often, they do not >change their last name, etc. Most important for Elizabeth, records for >them can often support and/or bring to light facts about a female >relative. The SEATON, WILHOIT, BIRD/BYRD, and RYMAL families intermarried many times in Green County, TN. They are all related. >You might also try: >(snip >Assuming that the above is accurate, it would seem that Jacob R. >Seaton's father is Benjamin Seaton, and that Benjamin Seaton and >Elizabeth Seaton share the same father, James Seaton, born abt 1720 in >Scotland, making Benjamin and Elizabeth Seaton brother and sister, and >making your Elizabeth Seaton the Aunt of the Jacob SEATON in the "Greene >County, Tennessee Marriages" document. Rick, you are correct. Jacob R. SEATON's father was Benjamin, but Benjamin was born in Prince William Co., VA (Richmond-1692; King George 1721; Prince William-1731; became Fauquier Co., VA-1759). Elizabeth was born in VA, exact county unknown. >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

At 8/29/2010 12:34 PM Sunday, Winifred K Miller wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Henry Towles and Uphias Euphemia Tucker named one of their children Bird >Towles. Know Henry and Uphias had a daughter, Lucy Towles, that married >Reynolds Wilhoite. >As Bird is an unusual first name that is why I am replying. >My Wilhite Line goes from Johann Michael and Anna Marie, two ways and then >some grandchildren married Willhoit-Wilhite and makes it complicated. >Reynolds had a brother named Elijah. >If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** In Greene County and Washington County, TN, you will find several members of the BROYLES and WILHOIT families, and others, with the first name of BIRD. These families married into the BIRD family and used that surname as a first name often. Sarge George W. Durman (Just for information, out of hundreds of people in the above two counties, I've found only ONE person who did NOT spell the name as WILHOIT.) My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Richard -- Thank you so very much for all this wonderful information. I have not researched in years and feel like a deer with lights in my face -- kind of a blank stare.... I will check this stuff out! Thanks again! Gail Ann Adams In a message dated 8/29/2010 8:01:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Gail, Here are some ideas that I hope might help - A document entitled: "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" Transcribed by, Marla Penn. At this URL: http://genealogytrails.com/tenn/greene/marriage.html Lists: WILHOIT, Elijah marrying SEATON, Elizabeth on 1 mar 1797 with a "BONDSMANS" being: Security: John Bird This same document also lists 3 male Seatons being married: SEATON, Jacob RYMAL, Sally 30 Apr 1816 SEATON, James HISE, Junny 28 Sep 1811 Security: David Bird and Samuel Seaton SEATON, John BIRD, Sarah 28 Dec 1793 Security: John Byrd I mention these 3 Seaton men as they might be related, and men are often easier to research. Men's names were recorded more often, they do not change their last name, etc. Most important for Elizabeth, records for them can often support and/or bring to light facts about a female relative. You might also try: FamilySearch http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp Elizabeth Seaton, born 1780 +/- 5 years, where there seems to be several possible matches. I would also search: Elijah WILHOIT, born 1780 +/- 5 years, and cross reference to the Elizabeth Seaton records. A few entries list Elizabeth Seaton's father as James Seaton, born abt 1720 in Scotland. If we then look up another possible Seaton relative from the "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" document, such as: SEATON, Jacob marrying RYMAL, Sally on 30 Apr 1816 Turning this into a search for: Jacob Seaton, born 1795 +/- 5 years I found a Jacob R SEATON, father Benjamin SEATON, mother Mary Elizabeth BIRD, wife Sarah "Sally" RYMAL. According to the record this Jacob was born 1795 in Chuckey, Horse Creek, Greene Co., Tn. Died 17 Jul 1873, Greenville, Greene, Tn. Burial: West Zion Cem, Greenville, Greene Co., Tn. If you click on Jacob R SEATON's father, Benjamin Seaton, it lists him born 1768, Stafford, Va. Death: 8 Sep 1859, Chuckey, Horse Creek, Greene Co., Tn. Burial: 1859 "On A Farm, Near Cedar Grove, Greene Co., Tn" It also lists Benjamin Seaton marrying Mary Elizabeth BIRD (another last name from the original document), and it lists Benjamin's father as James Seaton, born abt 1720 in Scotland. Assuming that the above is accurate, it would seem that Jacob R. Seaton's father is Benjamin Seaton, and that Benjamin Seaton and Elizabeth Seaton share the same father, James Seaton, born abt 1720 in Scotland, making Benjamin and Elizabeth Seaton brother and sister, and making your Elizabeth Seaton the Aunt of the Jacob SEATON in the "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" document. As an aside, I pointed out FamilySearch, as it is free. You may be able to find even more on a paid service such as Ancestry.com. All the best! Sincerely, Rick Willhite -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMANNA] Wilhoite/Seaton Hello all -- I am descended on the Wilhoite line.... Michael, Tobias, Conrad to: Elijah Wilhoite, b abt 1778 TN. He married in 1797 Elizabeth Seaton. Does anyone know anything about the Seaton line? I have nothing on her. Thank you, Gail Ann Adams In lovely northern Virginia If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henry Towles and Uphias Euphemia Tucker named one of their children Bird Towles. Know Henry and Uphias had a daughter, Lucy Towles, that married Reynolds Wilhoite. As Bird is an unusual first name that is why I am replying. My Wilhite Line goes from Johann Michael and Anna Marie, two ways and then some grandchildren married Willhoit-Wilhite and makes it complicated. Reynolds had a brother named Elijah.

Gail, Here are some ideas that I hope might help - A document entitled: "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" Transcribed by, Marla Penn. At this URL: http://genealogytrails.com/tenn/greene/marriage.html Lists: WILHOIT, Elijah marrying SEATON, Elizabeth on 1 mar 1797 with a "BONDSMANS" being: Security: John Bird This same document also lists 3 male Seatons being married: SEATON, Jacob RYMAL, Sally 30 Apr 1816 SEATON, James HISE, Junny 28 Sep 1811 Security: David Bird and Samuel Seaton SEATON, John BIRD, Sarah 28 Dec 1793 Security: John Byrd I mention these 3 Seaton men as they might be related, and men are often easier to research. Men's names were recorded more often, they do not change their last name, etc. Most important for Elizabeth, records for them can often support and/or bring to light facts about a female relative. You might also try: FamilySearch http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp Elizabeth Seaton, born 1780 +/- 5 years, where there seems to be several possible matches. I would also search: Elijah WILHOIT, born 1780 +/- 5 years, and cross reference to the Elizabeth Seaton records. A few entries list Elizabeth Seaton's father as James Seaton, born abt 1720 in Scotland. If we then look up another possible Seaton relative from the "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" document, such as: SEATON, Jacob marrying RYMAL, Sally on 30 Apr 1816 Turning this into a search for: Jacob Seaton, born 1795 +/- 5 years I found a Jacob R SEATON, father Benjamin SEATON, mother Mary Elizabeth BIRD, wife Sarah "Sally" RYMAL. According to the record this Jacob was born 1795 in Chuckey, Horse Creek, Greene Co., Tn. Died 17 Jul 1873, Greenville, Greene, Tn. Burial: West Zion Cem, Greenville, Greene Co., Tn. If you click on Jacob R SEATON's father, Benjamin Seaton, it lists him born 1768, Stafford, Va. Death: 8 Sep 1859, Chuckey, Horse Creek, Greene Co., Tn. Burial: 1859 "On A Farm, Near Cedar Grove, Greene Co., Tn" It also lists Benjamin Seaton marrying Mary Elizabeth BIRD (another last name from the original document), and it lists Benjamin's father as James Seaton, born abt 1720 in Scotland. Assuming that the above is accurate, it would seem that Jacob R. Seaton's father is Benjamin Seaton, and that Benjamin Seaton and Elizabeth Seaton share the same father, James Seaton, born abt 1720 in Scotland, making Benjamin and Elizabeth Seaton brother and sister, and making your Elizabeth Seaton the Aunt of the Jacob SEATON in the "Greene County, Tennessee Marriages" document. As an aside, I pointed out FamilySearch, as it is free. You may be able to find even more on a paid service such as Ancestry.com. All the best! Sincerely, Rick Willhite -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMANNA] Wilhoite/Seaton Hello all -- I am descended on the Wilhoite line.... Michael, Tobias, Conrad to: Elijah Wilhoite, b abt 1778 TN. He married in 1797 Elizabeth Seaton. Does anyone know anything about the Seaton line? I have nothing on her. Thank you, Gail Ann Adams In lovely northern Virginia If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The name Isom, which does occur in the "Hebron" church records, should be read as Eastham, not Isham. It certainly does appear that Cyriacus Fleshman was born in Klings. The name Fleshman is the most common name in Klings churchyard. However this is not proof that Cyriacus came from Klings. Anna Barbara Schone was married three times, to a Blankenbaker, a Schlucter, and to Fleshman (using some English spellings). One must be careful about Neuenbürg because there are two of these and they are only about 20 miles apart. Both are in Baden-Württemberg today. I recommend Germanna Record 18 and the Beyond Germanna CD for much more extensive elaborations of these points. Both are obtainable from the Germanna Foundation. John Blankenbaker

Hello all -- I am descended on the Wilhoite line.... Michael, Tobias, Conrad to: Elijah Wilhoite, b abt 1778 TN. He married in 1797 Elizabeth Seaton. Does anyone know anything about the Seaton line? I have nothing on her. Thank you, Gail Ann Adams In lovely northern Virginia

My trip to the Germanna and Tennessee following my Broyles line has increased my interest in this line. I noted recent postings on Ancestry regarding research on Neuenburg, Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany that has drawn the assumption that Anna Barbara Schone born September 29, 1664 or 5 married first Johann Thomas Blankenbuehler who died in 1690 and then married Cyracias Fleishman and had three children. She apparently immigrated with her Blankenbuehlers/Blankenbakers and Fleishman children including Maria Catherine who would later marry Jacob Broyles. My records indicate Cyracias was born in Klings, Saxony,Germany. Is this new information correct or is it another Cyracias? Dates are provided for the marriages thus it appears to be a record that was located by research although I can't tell who did the research. My second question involves Broyles Families Ties Vol 3 page 30 where it indicates that Mary Broyles daughter of Adam Broyles had as sponsor Christopher Blankenbaker and Mary Isom. Could this be Isham? The Isham family were very wealthy and from Henrico County as I have researched them as part of another line. Does anyone know who Christopher Blankenbaker is and if he married into this English aristocratic Isham family and was connected to Adam? This could definitely explain the wealth of Adam Broyles. Note what I found below off the Internet. William RANDOLPH, son of Richard RANDOLPH and Elizabeth RYLAND, b. Oct 1650 in Moreton Morrell, Midland Co., Warwickshire, ENG; d. on 11 Apr 1711 in Turkey Island, Henrico Co., VA, approx. 61-1/2 years old. He m. (1) Mary ISHAM in 1680 in Henrico Co., VA. Mary, dau. of Capt. Henry ISHAM and Katherine (BANKs) ROYALL, b. abt 1658 in Bermuda Hundred, Henrico Co., VA; d. on 29 Dec 1735 at Turkey Island, Plantation, Charles City Co., VA, approx. 77 years old. William was approx. 30 years old when married and Mary was approx. 22 years old. NOTE: "Colonial politics were often unstable and in times erratic, causing estates to change hands and creating both, risks and opportunities. William Randolph, an English immigrant who arrived in Virginia 1673, seized such an opportunity when he convinced governor Sir William Berkeley to grant him a large plantation from the confiscated estate of Nathaniel Bacon, a wealthy landowner who had betrayed his class and staged a revolt against Berkeley and the colonial government. Randolph was the progenitor of one of the largest, wealthiest and most powerful families in 18th century Virginia. His marriage to the daughter of Henry Isham, another large plantation owner ascertained his position in the colony." Would love to know if anyone has researched these two lines. Thanks Susan

Patty, this may be crazy input that will just be a coincidence. However, you never know when there might be something that will set a "light bulb off" in someone's head. I am the group co-ordinator for the Hawkins DNA group #1. It seems most likely that our Hawkins lines that are a match came from the Northern Neck of VA and then into Culpeper/Orange/Louisa Counties....and then migrated to other parts of the country. However, their were intermarriages with germanna settlers....and Hawkins families that lived in the same vicinity of the germanna settlers. And I see in my notes that one of our family groups migrated to Cherokee County, AL. Here are my rough notes for this Hawkins line: Cherokee County, Georgia-- late 1840's to late 1850's 2.William and Dorothy Jarrett Hawkins 3. William D. Hawkins DNA group #1 Glenda Hayes [email protected] Sorry that my notes do not tell me more.....I do not know off hand if they moved there from Virginia or if they had been somewhere else before the move to Cherokee County. marsha moses On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Patty Sims wrote: > Thank you Marilyn. > > I have the census documents on Jonathan Crisler and his family, but > not much more than that. I know that he moved to Cherokee County, AL > and that is where his daughter Louisa and James Martin Barr were > married. They had my g grandpa and his sister there. He was two when > his father died. 17 years later Louisa married Anthony Duke who was > from Jackson County, GA and he was a friend and fellow soldier with > my gg grandfather. I will try the email addy for Ms Cumly an hope it > is current. .....

Thank you Marilyn.   I have the census documents on Jonathan Crisler and his family, but not much more than that. I know that he moved to Cherokee County, AL and that is where his daughter Louisa and James Martin Barr were married. They had my g grandpa and his sister there. He was two when his father died. 17 years later Louisa married Anthony Duke who was from Jackson County, GA and he was a friend and fellow soldier with my gg grandfather. I will try the email addy for Ms Cumly an hope it is current.   Several years ago, I found an Addison Crisler on an early CA census and felt certain he must have been related to our Crislers as Jonathan did have a son named Addison.   I know absolutely nothing about the Smiths and Thomases and am looking forward to learning about them.   Thank you so much for your generous offer.   Patty If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Virginia,   I have been studying the Germanna webpages for several years, but could not quite come to the conclusion that my family was a part of that group.   It was very easy to trace my mother's family because the name Crisler was predominate. My mother would have been so happy to have gotten in touch with her ancestral line. All she really knew was her grandmother and grandfather who were the sweetest people one could ever find. My g grandfather was of the Crisler + line with his mother being Louisa Eldra Crisler.   Would you mind sending me your family history and possibly any little notes you have on their lives? I love it when I can put living people to the names of the past. I would love to see how we are related and have a great program that figures out relationships quickly without my having to chew on a pencil.   I don't know where I got the name Barbara von Schellenberg. The following is the note I have on Leonard Crisler and his marriages: 1 Leonard Christler b: 1683 d: 1748 + Eliza Margaret + Anna Maria Bender b: 1687. Does this appear accurate to you? Do you have any references to documentary proof of any of his life. I am severely lacking there.   I want to thank you very much for your speedy response to my question. I have thought for years that our family may be a part of this group, but was not certain, so never wrote. It is through my g grandfather that my Crisler family descends and I have been in touch with some of them in TX. It has been a long time, but I am certain some of them are still there.   Great Grandfather and Grandmother were precious souls who loved one another and their family and never grew tired of having offspring present. I have a second cousin in Alabama who is a son of the John Martin Barr who got as far as TX and turned back to Alabama with my g grandmother. The rest of his children are gone now but since I found this cousin, we have kept in touch right along.   Thank you so much Virginia for helping me understand where I fit. As I am always curious, I will probably be asking questions many of you have answered and put in the back of your mind a long time ago. Please put up with my "newbie" status and bear with me.   Patty Sims Quincy, CA  

That Anna Maria Blankenbaker....she is responsible for so many of us being alive! Patty, you have a bunch of Germanna ancestors and you are a distant cousin to me through Anna Maria. Check out the Foundation's website at www.germanna.org and yes, Scott Tanner should, as well. The Germanna surnames I recognize are Kreisler/Crisler, Blankenbaker, Schmidt, Thomas. If I have this correctly, the Gaars and the Fishers arrived slightly later than the original immigrants but we sort of include them. We don't have any "vons", however. Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Sims" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Germanna Descendants Hello, My name is Patricia Sims. I live in CA. My ancesters include Leonard Matthias Kreisler, Barbara von Schellenberg, Andreas Gaar, Eva Seidelman, Anna Maria Blankenbaker, Theobold Crisler, Rosina Gaar, John Michael Schmidt Jr, Anna Magdalena Thomas, Henry Souther, John George Crisler, Anna Magdalena Schmidt, Michael Souther, Mary Fisher, Absalom Crisler, Anna Souther, Jonathan Crisler, Mary Ann Crowley, James Martin Barr (died 3 Sep 1861, kia First Manassas), Louisa Eldra Crisler, (Louisa went as far as TX with her son William and his family on their way to CA. She and grandson, John Martin Barr, turned back to AL) These are the people I grew up with: William Franklin Barr, Martha Jane Hale, Victoria Elrey Barr, George Thomas Cooper, Estelle Emma Cooper, Charles Lamar Sims and myself. Am I a Germanna descendant? Also, I know a Scott Tanner who lives near me. Should he be checking to find out who his ancesters are? Thank you, Patty If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5402 (20100827) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com