"East Side, West Side, all around the town...." ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathi Clore Frost <[email protected]> To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany Betty, You are my dear friend and I'm not offended. In a hurry, yes. :>) Probably should not have even checked the email because now I will read it all instead of eating lunch before work. A little Walz Clog today in honor of you! Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" To: "germanna colonies" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Cathi, > > It seems I have offended you and Ginnie and that was not my intention. I > have stated repeatedly (even in the Introduction to your book) that I give > immense credit to anyone taking on the writing of a family history, and > most especially to you for the sheer scope of the Yager book. It's not > something I would have taken on. > > As you well know, the two Yager books I have done contain errors which I > openly acknowledge in the interest of getting the correct information out > there. I always go through each book that I mail out and laboriously > write in the corrections, as well as material I've found since publishing > the books, and initial the corrections and additions. I was just doing > the same thing with your book, that is, making note of items that might at > least be re-examined. The very few other errors I have found so far, I > have already pointed out to you privately and just wasn't thinking when I > stated this publicly today. I do apologize. I wasn't thinking. I hope > you receive your copy of the book soon. > > Ginnie made a good point that Oberzell and Weichersbach are very close > together. I believe it was in Chad Yeager's material that Johann is shown > as the father in the Oberzell records. > > However, I know you are already compiling an "Errata" list and thought > maybe you might consider at least elaborating a bit on the "probably > Oberzell" phrase, because this book will -- and rightly should -- be > considered a real watermark in Germanna Yager research. > > As to the child care situation, I totally sympathize! I don't have those > problems these days, but I well remember the days when I worked full time > to support my six stair-step kids. They never had the chicken pox or > mumps at the same time and I was constantly getting calls at the office > from the sitters. But turn-about is fair play: they are taking care of me > now. > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cathi Clore Frost > To: germanna colonies > Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:35:09 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny > there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born > elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly > what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book > ... > Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school > and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the > doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today > plus I have to work too ... Cathi > > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathi, How can it be that I have a copy of your book before you? It is an amazing work, many hours had to have been spent and I am still trying to digest it. I love the historical perspectives, news articles etc. that you've included, they do a lot to turn the "begats" into real people. I, personally, can't thank you enough for your work. I'm really looking forward to my time in Germany and hope that I can find out even a little tiny piece of information that is new. It will be enough to simply visit the area where the ancestors once walked. And pictures, lots and lots of pictures!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cathi Clore Frost" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:55 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Betty, > > You are my dear friend and I'm not offended. In a hurry, yes. :>) > Probably should not have even checked the email because now I will read it > all instead of eating lunch before work. A little Walz Clog today in > honor > of you! > > Cathi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> > To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > >> Cathi, >> >> It seems I have offended you and Ginnie and that was not my intention. I >> have stated repeatedly (even in the Introduction to your book) that I >> give >> immense credit to anyone taking on the writing of a family history, and >> most especially to you for the sheer scope of the Yager book. It's not >> something I would have taken on. >> >> As you well know, the two Yager books I have done contain errors which I >> openly acknowledge in the interest of getting the correct information out >> there. I always go through each book that I mail out and laboriously >> write in the corrections, as well as material I've found since publishing >> the books, and initial the corrections and additions. I was just doing >> the same thing with your book, that is, making note of items that might >> at >> least be re-examined. The very few other errors I have found so far, I >> have already pointed out to you privately and just wasn't thinking when I >> stated this publicly today. I do apologize. I wasn't thinking. I hope >> you receive your copy of the book soon. >> >> Ginnie made a good point that Oberzell and Weichersbach are very close >> together. I believe it was in Chad Yeager's material that Johann is >> shown >> as the father in the Oberzell records. >> >> However, I know you are already compiling an "Errata" list and thought >> maybe you might consider at least elaborating a bit on the "probably >> Oberzell" phrase, because this book will -- and rightly should -- be >> considered a real watermark in Germanna Yager research. >> >> As to the child care situation, I totally sympathize! I don't have those >> problems these days, but I well remember the days when I worked full time >> to support my six stair-step kids. They never had the chicken pox or >> mumps at the same time and I was constantly getting calls at the office >> from the sitters. But turn-about is fair play: they are taking care of >> me >> now. >> >> Betty >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Cathi Clore Frost <[email protected]> >> To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:35:09 -0000 (UTC) >> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany >> >> I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny >> there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born >> elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly >> what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book >> ... >> Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to >> school >> and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the >> doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today >> plus I have to work too ... Cathi >> >> >> If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line >> data. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3147 - Release Date: 09/20/10 > 02:35:00 >

Cathi, It seems I have offended you and Ginnie and that was not my intention. I have stated repeatedly (even in the Introduction to your book) that I give immense credit to anyone taking on the writing of a family history, and most especially to you for the sheer scope of the Yager book. It's not something I would have taken on. As you well know, the two Yager books I have done contain errors which I openly acknowledge in the interest of getting the correct information out there. I always go through each book that I mail out and laboriously write in the corrections, as well as material I've found since publishing the books, and initial the corrections and additions. I was just doing the same thing with your book, that is, making note of items that might at least be re-examined. The very few other errors I have found so far, I have already pointed out to you privately and just wasn't thinking when I stated this publicly today. I do apologize. I wasn't thinking. I hope you receive your copy of the book soon. Ginnie made a good point that Oberzell and Weichersbach are very close together. I believe it was in Chad Yeager's material that Johann is shown as the father in the Oberzell records. However, I know you are already compiling an "Errata" list and thought maybe you might consider at least elaborating a bit on the "probably Oberzell" phrase, because this book will -- and rightly should -- be considered a real watermark in Germanna Yager research. As to the child care situation, I totally sympathize! I don't have those problems these days, but I well remember the days when I worked full time to support my six stair-step kids. They never had the chicken pox or mumps at the same time and I was constantly getting calls at the office from the sitters. But turn-about is fair play: they are taking care of me now. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathi Clore Frost <[email protected]> To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:35:09 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book ... Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today plus I have to work too ... Cathi

Betty, You are my dear friend and I'm not offended. In a hurry, yes. :>) Probably should not have even checked the email because now I will read it all instead of eating lunch before work. A little Walz Clog today in honor of you! Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Cathi, > > It seems I have offended you and Ginnie and that was not my intention. I > have stated repeatedly (even in the Introduction to your book) that I give > immense credit to anyone taking on the writing of a family history, and > most especially to you for the sheer scope of the Yager book. It's not > something I would have taken on. > > As you well know, the two Yager books I have done contain errors which I > openly acknowledge in the interest of getting the correct information out > there. I always go through each book that I mail out and laboriously > write in the corrections, as well as material I've found since publishing > the books, and initial the corrections and additions. I was just doing > the same thing with your book, that is, making note of items that might at > least be re-examined. The very few other errors I have found so far, I > have already pointed out to you privately and just wasn't thinking when I > stated this publicly today. I do apologize. I wasn't thinking. I hope > you receive your copy of the book soon. > > Ginnie made a good point that Oberzell and Weichersbach are very close > together. I believe it was in Chad Yeager's material that Johann is shown > as the father in the Oberzell records. > > However, I know you are already compiling an "Errata" list and thought > maybe you might consider at least elaborating a bit on the "probably > Oberzell" phrase, because this book will -- and rightly should -- be > considered a real watermark in Germanna Yager research. > > As to the child care situation, I totally sympathize! I don't have those > problems these days, but I well remember the days when I worked full time > to support my six stair-step kids. They never had the chicken pox or > mumps at the same time and I was constantly getting calls at the office > from the sitters. But turn-about is fair play: they are taking care of me > now. > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cathi Clore Frost <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:35:09 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny > there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born > elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly > what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book > ... > Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school > and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the > doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today > plus I have to work too ... Cathi > > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Gemmingen "Departure List" Hi Anita~ Someone else provided the Departure List you described. I think it was Cathi. Do you have the genealogy for who I assume is your husband-- surname Schmidt? I believe my Johannes Hammler might have been married to Anna Schmidt, birthdates the same; at least she's married to a Hammler. [Source for Schmidt: "The Palatine Families of NY- 1710," by Hank Z. Jones] Her father was Johan Heinrich Schmidt and her mother Anna Catharina Schleicher (same source). Kathleen [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) In a message dated 9/20/2010 9:59:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi, Kathleen; Would you please provide the 'Gemmingen "Departure List" on pages >>>24-25 of the Gemmigen Death Register website? I am searching for Johannes Rausch/Rouse and his wife, Maria. Thank you. Anita Rouse Schmidt If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anita~ Someone else provided the Departure List you described. I think it was Cathi. Do you have the genealogy for who I assume is your husband-- surname Schmidt? I believe my Johannes Hammler might have been married to Anna Schmidt, birthdates the same; at least she's married to a Hammler. [Source for Schmidt: "The Palatine Families of NY- 1710," by Hank Z. Jones] Her father was Johan Heinrich Schmidt and her mother Anna Catharina Schleicher (same source). Kathleen [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) In a message dated 9/20/2010 9:59:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi, Kathleen; Would you please provide the 'Gemmingen "Departure List" on pages >>>24-25 of the Gemmigen Death Register website? I am searching for Johannes Rausch/Rouse and his wife, Maria. Thank you. Anita Rouse Schmidt

Betty-- You have not offended me at all! Ginnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Cathi, > > It seems I have offended you and Ginnie and that was not my intention. I > have stated repeatedly (even in the Introduction to your book) that I give > immense credit to anyone taking on the writing of a family history, and > most especially to you for the sheer scope of the Yager book. It's not > something I would have taken on. > > As you well know, the two Yager books I have done contain errors which I > openly acknowledge in the interest of getting the correct information out > there. I always go through each book that I mail out and laboriously > write in the corrections, as well as material I've found since publishing > the books, and initial the corrections and additions. I was just doing > the same thing with your book, that is, making note of items that might at > least be re-examined. The very few other errors I have found so far, I > have already pointed out to you privately and just wasn't thinking when I > stated this publicly today. I do apologize. I wasn't thinking. I hope > you receive your copy of the book soon. > > Ginnie made a good point that Oberzell and Weichersbach are very close > together. I believe it was in Chad Yeager's material that Johann is shown > as the father in the Oberzell records. > > However, I know you are already compiling an "Errata" list and thought > maybe you might consider at least elaborating a bit on the "probably > Oberzell" phrase, because this book will -- and rightly should -- be > considered a real watermark in Germanna Yager research. > > As to the child care situation, I totally sympathize! I don't have those > problems these days, but I well remember the days when I worked full time > to support my six stair-step kids. They never had the chicken pox or > mumps at the same time and I was constantly getting calls at the office > from the sitters. But turn-about is fair play: they are taking care of me > now. > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cathi Clore Frost <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:35:09 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny > there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born > elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly > what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book > ... > Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school > and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the > doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today > plus I have to work too ... Cathi > > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rick, Your Yeager cousin Dan Franklin was stationed at Kaiserslautern in Germany for several years (I believe from about 2005-2007 or 2008?) and did a lot of personal research on the Yagers during that time. I'm afraid I imposed on him unmercifully while he was there to dig into any and all Yager records, because he lived not far from the Marienthal-Winnweiler-Falkenstein area. Dan made copies and got translations of every record he could find. I had furnished him with data from "Before Germanna," number 10 (May 1990) so he could follow up on all the leads that Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny compiled. I'm hoping Dan is still on the list and has seen your request but I have e-mailed him just in case. Chad Yeager, who may or may not still be on this list, also put together a lot of information from the Oberzell records and generously shared it with any and all who asked. John Blankenbaker dedicated several issues of his newsletter "Beyond Germanna" to the German churches, including the one at Winnweiler. Note that Winnweiler is a much larger place than Marienthal. Falkenstein is between them. The area is quite popular with German hikers. In 2006, I went on the Germanna Foundation's tour and Dan met us in Winnweiler. In his tiny little car, he took Suzie Oberg, Jim Wilhite and his wife Pat, and me to the castle ruins at Falkenstein, then down the mountain into little Marienthal, where we went to the protestant church and where he introduced us to friends Freddie Yager and his family, as well as to the pastor and another church lady, who were all just wonderful. They had not been expecting us, but Dan went to Freddy's house, and Freddy went and got the lady with the church key and then the pastor arrived -- all on foot and all so happy to see us. It was a great day. The Marienthal church has some lovely altar pieces dedicated to the Falkenstein family. The entire tour group attended Sunday services at the church in Winnweiler that Sunday, where Dan (then a colonel and U.S. Army chaplain) was invited to read the text. Suzie and I were so moved by the place and the experience, we had to share a handkerchief! Note that Winnweiler, not Marienthal, is the place where our ancestor Adam Yager and one of his sisters were baptized. His parents were married in the church in Marienthal, where his other sisters were baptized. Dan also found the village named Weichersbach. You may or may not know that there is not consensus about the name of the father of the immigrant Nicholas, nor about the village where he was born. In the new Germanna Record 19 on the Yagers, Cathi Frost states it was "probably Oberzell," but I do not agree and last I heard, Dan did not agree, either. I think it far more likely he was from Weichersbach, because his naturalization certificate says he was born in Weichersbach, Hesse. His marriage record, gives his father as "Paul Jager of Meierspach" with Meierspach accepted by some as a corruption of Weichersbach. Thus, if you accept his marriage record to Anna Maria Sieber, you accept his father's name as Paul. But if you accept that he was from Oberzell, then you accept his father's name as Johan (Hans) Jager, shown in the Oberzell records, and not Paul -- and must reject the marriage record to Anna Marie Sieber in Marienthal. Betty Elizabeth Yates Johnson List Administrator, Yeager-South-US "Following John [Yager]" "The Family of Daniel Wayne Yeager 1835-1910" "Yeagers Named John Who Lived in present Madison County, VA 1732-1850" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Yeager <[email protected]> To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:29:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. Thanks in advance. If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello-- I visited Oberzell and Weichersbach in Hessen a year ago, and really they are so close together you could yodel in Oberzell and easily be heard in Weichersbach. Also, the church in Weichersbach was built in 1797 after Nicholas would have been born, he could not have been baptized there, but Oberzell or even Mottgers, maybe. And, regarding the accuracy of records that WE make--most of us don't really know where we are born, it's what our parents tell us or we see a birth certificate, right? And if there are no birth certificates? For a good 50 years I thought my sister was born in Wauseon, Ohio, until she informed me recently it was Bryan, Ohio. Well, I suppose she has seen her birth certificate, but what if she were relying on me, the older sib? If I were the one creating a family record, it would have been wrong. Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Cc: "Dan Franklin" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Rick, > > Your Yeager cousin Dan Franklin was stationed at Kaiserslautern in Germany > for several years (I believe from about 2005-2007 or 2008?) and did a lot > of personal research on the Yagers during that time. I'm afraid I imposed > on him unmercifully while he was there to dig into any and all Yager > records, because he lived not far from the > Marienthal-Winnweiler-Falkenstein area. > > Dan made copies and got translations of every record he could find. I had > furnished him with data from "Before Germanna," number 10 (May 1990) so he > could follow up on all the leads that Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny > compiled. I'm hoping Dan is still on the list and has seen your request > but I have e-mailed him just in case. > > Chad Yeager, who may or may not still be on this list, also put together a > lot of information from the Oberzell records and generously shared it with > any and all who asked. > > John Blankenbaker dedicated several issues of his newsletter "Beyond > Germanna" to the German churches, including the one at Winnweiler. > > Note that Winnweiler is a much larger place than Marienthal. Falkenstein > is between them. The area is quite popular with German hikers. > > In 2006, I went on the Germanna Foundation's tour and Dan met us in > Winnweiler. In his tiny little car, he took Suzie Oberg, Jim Wilhite and > his wife Pat, and me to the castle ruins at Falkenstein, then down the > mountain into little Marienthal, where we went to the protestant church > and where he introduced us to friends Freddie Yager and his family, as > well as to the pastor and another church lady, who were all just > wonderful. They had not been expecting us, but Dan went to Freddy's > house, and Freddy went and got the lady with the church key and then the > pastor arrived -- all on foot and all so happy to see us. It was a great > day. The Marienthal church has some lovely altar pieces dedicated to the > Falkenstein family. > > The entire tour group attended Sunday services at the church in Winnweiler > that Sunday, where Dan (then a colonel and U.S. Army chaplain) was invited > to read the text. Suzie and I were so moved by the place and the > experience, we had to share a handkerchief! > > Note that Winnweiler, not Marienthal, is the place where our ancestor Adam > Yager and one of his sisters were baptized. His parents were married in > the church in Marienthal, where his other sisters were baptized. > > Dan also found the village named Weichersbach. You may or may not know > that there is not consensus about the name of the father of the immigrant > Nicholas, nor about the village where he was born. In the new Germanna > Record 19 on the Yagers, Cathi Frost states it was "probably Oberzell," > but I do not agree and last I heard, Dan did not agree, either. I think > it far more likely he was from Weichersbach, because his naturalization > certificate says he was born in Weichersbach, Hesse. His marriage record, > gives his father as "Paul Jager of Meierspach" with Meierspach accepted by > some as a corruption of Weichersbach. Thus, if you accept his marriage > record to Anna Maria Sieber, you accept his father's name as Paul. But if > you accept that he was from Oberzell, then you accept his father's name as > Johan (Hans) Jager, shown in the Oberzell records, and not Paul -- and > must reject the marriage record to Anna Marie Sieber in Marienthal. > > Betty > Elizabeth Yates Johnson > List Administrator, Yeager-South-US > "Following John [Yager]" > "The Family of Daniel Wayne Yeager 1835-1910" > "Yeagers Named John Who Lived in present Madison County, VA 1732-1850" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Yeager <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:29:29 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on > towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd > Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living > southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. > > Thanks in advance. > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5464 (20100920) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi, Kathleen; Would you please provide the 'Gemmingen "Departure List" on pages >>>24-25 of the Gemmigen Death Register website? I am searching for Johannes Rausch/Rouse and his wife, Maria. Thank you. Anita Rouse Schmidt

I feel like I'll be treading on well-worn paths, but this has been a real journey of discovery for me. I'm not really doing this for the scholastic things, rather just to better understand where I fit in. I really appreciate the help offered, I'll be definitely looking into the areas. If for no other reason than just to say I've been there. If I do find anything interesting, I'll be sure to pass it along. Thanks again. ---- Betty Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Rick, > > Your Yeager cousin Dan Franklin was stationed at Kaiserslautern in Germany for several years (I believe from about 2005-2007 or 2008?) and did a lot of personal research on the Yagers during that time. I'm afraid I imposed on him unmercifully while he was there to dig into any and all Yager records, because he lived not far from the Marienthal-Winnweiler-Falkenstein area. > > Dan made copies and got translations of every record he could find. I had furnished him with data from "Before Germanna," number 10 (May 1990) so he could follow up on all the leads that Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny compiled. I'm hoping Dan is still on the list and has seen your request but I have e-mailed him just in case. > > Chad Yeager, who may or may not still be on this list, also put together a lot of information from the Oberzell records and generously shared it with any and all who asked. > > John Blankenbaker dedicated several issues of his newsletter "Beyond Germanna" to the German churches, including the one at Winnweiler. > > Note that Winnweiler is a much larger place than Marienthal. Falkenstein is between them. The area is quite popular with German hikers. > > In 2006, I went on the Germanna Foundation's tour and Dan met us in Winnweiler. In his tiny little car, he took Suzie Oberg, Jim Wilhite and his wife Pat, and me to the castle ruins at Falkenstein, then down the mountain into little Marienthal, where we went to the protestant church and where he introduced us to friends Freddie Yager and his family, as well as to the pastor and another church lady, who were all just wonderful. They had not been expecting us, but Dan went to Freddy's house, and Freddy went and got the lady with the church key and then the pastor arrived -- all on foot and all so happy to see us. It was a great day. The Marienthal church has some lovely altar pieces dedicated to the Falkenstein family. > > The entire tour group attended Sunday services at the church in Winnweiler that Sunday, where Dan (then a colonel and U.S. Army chaplain) was invited to read the text. Suzie and I were so moved by the place and the experience, we had to share a handkerchief! > > Note that Winnweiler, not Marienthal, is the place where our ancestor Adam Yager and one of his sisters were baptized. His parents were married in the church in Marienthal, where his other sisters were baptized. > > Dan also found the village named Weichersbach. You may or may not know that there is not consensus about the name of the father of the immigrant Nicholas, nor about the village where he was born. In the new Germanna Record 19 on the Yagers, Cathi Frost states it was "probably Oberzell," but I do not agree and last I heard, Dan did not agree, either. I think it far more likely he was from Weichersbach, because his naturalization certificate says he was born in Weichersbach, Hesse. His marriage record, gives his father as "Paul Jager of Meierspach" with Meierspach accepted by some as a corruption of Weichersbach. Thus, if you accept his marriage record to Anna Maria Sieber, you accept his father's name as Paul. But if you accept that he was from Oberzell, then you accept his father's name as Johan (Hans) Jager, shown in the Oberzell records, and not Paul -- and must reject the marriage record to Anna Marie Sieber in Marienthal. > > Betty > Elizabeth Yates Johnson > List Administrator, Yeager-South-US > "Following John [Yager]" > "The Family of Daniel Wayne Yeager 1835-1910" > "Yeagers Named John Who Lived in present Madison County, VA 1732-1850" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Yeager <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:29:29 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. > > Thanks in advance. > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book ... Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today plus I have to work too ... Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Cc: "Dan Franklin" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Rick, > > Your Yeager cousin Dan Franklin was stationed at Kaiserslautern in Germany > for several years (I believe from about 2005-2007 or 2008?) and did a lot > of personal research on the Yagers during that time. I'm afraid I imposed > on him unmercifully while he was there to dig into any and all Yager > records, because he lived not far from the > Marienthal-Winnweiler-Falkenstein area. > > Dan made copies and got translations of every record he could find. I had > furnished him with data from "Before Germanna," number 10 (May 1990) so he > could follow up on all the leads that Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny > compiled. I'm hoping Dan is still on the list and has seen your request > but I have e-mailed him just in case. > > Chad Yeager, who may or may not still be on this list, also put together a > lot of information from the Oberzell records and generously shared it with > any and all who asked. > > John Blankenbaker dedicated several issues of his newsletter "Beyond > Germanna" to the German churches, including the one at Winnweiler. > > Note that Winnweiler is a much larger place than Marienthal. Falkenstein > is between them. The area is quite popular with German hikers. > > In 2006, I went on the Germanna Foundation's tour and Dan met us in > Winnweiler. In his tiny little car, he took Suzie Oberg, Jim Wilhite and > his wife Pat, and me to the castle ruins at Falkenstein, then down the > mountain into little Marienthal, where we went to the protestant church > and where he introduced us to friends Freddie Yager and his family, as > well as to the pastor and another church lady, who were all just > wonderful. They had not been expecting us, but Dan went to Freddy's > house, and Freddy went and got the lady with the church key and then the > pastor arrived -- all on foot and all so happy to see us. It was a great > day. The Marienthal church has some lovely altar pieces dedicated to the > Falkenstein family. > > The entire tour group attended Sunday services at the church in Winnweiler > that Sunday, where Dan (then a colonel and U.S. Army chaplain) was invited > to read the text. Suzie and I were so moved by the place and the > experience, we had to share a handkerchief! > > Note that Winnweiler, not Marienthal, is the place where our ancestor Adam > Yager and one of his sisters were baptized. His parents were married in > the church in Marienthal, where his other sisters were baptized. > > Dan also found the village named Weichersbach. You may or may not know > that there is not consensus about the name of the father of the immigrant > Nicholas, nor about the village where he was born. In the new Germanna > Record 19 on the Yagers, Cathi Frost states it was "probably Oberzell," > but I do not agree and last I heard, Dan did not agree, either. I think > it far more likely he was from Weichersbach, because his naturalization > certificate says he was born in Weichersbach, Hesse. His marriage record, > gives his father as "Paul Jager of Meierspach" with Meierspach accepted by > some as a corruption of Weichersbach. Thus, if you accept his marriage > record to Anna Maria Sieber, you accept his father's name as Paul. But if > you accept that he was from Oberzell, then you accept his father's name as > Johan (Hans) Jager, shown in the Oberzell records, and not Paul -- and > must reject the marriage record to Anna Marie Sieber in Marienthal. > > Betty > Elizabeth Yates Johnson > List Administrator, Yeager-South-US > "Following John [Yager]" > "The Family of Daniel Wayne Yeager 1835-1910" > "Yeagers Named John Who Lived in present Madison County, VA 1732-1850" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Yeager <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:29:29 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on > towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd > Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living > southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. > > Thanks in advance. > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No problem, Rick! I will get directions from Katharine for you and the name of the pastor in Marienthal. They're really not that far from each other and you will be blown away by Falkenstein, it is a very small village with a very steep main street that leads up to the castle ruins, they are quite magnificent and the view is spectacular! Barb Price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:14:47 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany Wow! Thanks to both of you for the many things to look for. I wish it was an unencumbered trip for research, but my company has a bit of a say in what my activities will be for most of the time. One thing I would ask, I've looked for Falkenstein and found several. The literal translation is "Falcon Rock" and even German colleagues ask "Where is Falkenstein". The Hessen lead with both Marienthal and the Falkenstein possibility are fairly close to where I'll be. I can be reached also privately at [email protected] Thanks for all the suggestions. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Nuta" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Rick-- > > If I were going to spend some serious time in Germany, here is what I > would > be doing: > > 1) Pin down Nicholas' father's village. > > The father of our immigrant ancestor Nicholas was identified as Paul Yager > of Meiyerspach in Hesse in the record of Nicholas' marriage to Anna Maria > Sieber. Meiyerspach is thought to be a corruption of Weichersbach, a > village in Hessen in the Mottgers parish. > > We have information on Yagers in that village and surrounding villages but > nothing conclusive on the birth of a Nicholas that fits our Nicholas. (Not > that it is a given that Nicholas is required to have been born there, he > could have been born elsewhere and then his family moved.) > > It has been suggested by another visitor to Germany that there is a > Meiyersbach, in Hessen, that could be the the father's village, rather > than > Weichersbach. If so, it would be a small place because I have not been > able > to find it. I still want to rule it out. No doubt in Germany there is > someone who would know one way or another and I think it would be an > important step for us. > > 2) Investigate the godparents of Nicholas' and Anna Maria's children. > > ADAM: Adam's godfather was Johann Adam Yager, a soldier of Wolfstein, and > godmother Barbara, daughter of Claus Yager of Munchweiler. Munchweiler, > I > believe, is SW of Falkenstein. There was a Wolfstein area in Bavaria but > also a village in the SW of the Palatinate. > > MARIA GERTRAUD: Nicolaus Jaager and Gertraud, his wife, of Munchweiler, > were > godparents for Nicholas' daughter, Maria Gertraud Yager in 1711. Rev. > Dan > Franklin, who obtained this information, thought that it is this couple > who > had the daughter Barbara born in 1690 in Weichersbach or Meiyersbach. > > ANNA MARIA: "On the 22nd of May, (1707), Nicolaus Jaeger of Falckenstein > and > his wife, Anna Maria, had a small daughter baptized. The daughter was born > on the 19th of May at 8:00 am, and her godparents (witnesses) were Michael > Jaeger of Meyersspach (Meiersspach or Weiersspach) of Hessen and his wife > Anna Maria, the daughter of Johannes Wachmanns of Falkenstein and his wife > Barbara, the legitimate daughter of Valentin Mayers of Muenchweiler." > > ANNA MARGRETHA: 1716: In April, on Easter Tuesday, a baby daughter was > born > to Niclas Jeger of Falckenstein and she was later baptized at the Dom > Quasimod. The Godparents were Johann Theobaldt Coestner of Falckenstein > and > Anna Margretha, the wife of Michel Jeger of the old Glasshutte. The child > was named Anna Margetha. > > ANNA MARIA: The godparents of the daughter Anna Maria were local from the > Falkenstein area and were not Yagers. > > Clearly there is a Munchweiler connection as well as a Meiyersbach or > Weichersbach connection. I think we have been hampered by the assumption > that all our ancestors stayed in place for generations. John > Blankenbaker's > work shows us that this is not true. Further, when you think about the > Wars > of Louis IV that played out over these areas during the time our immigrant > ancestors were growing up, it is more astonishing when they DID stay in > place, because there were a lot of unpleasant things going on. > > I may be going out on a very weak limb here, but in finding out what I > could > about the local rulers of the Mottgers/Weichersbach/Oberzell area of > Hessen, > I saw that in the 17th century they were a branch of the Counts of Hanau > who > also controlled some lands in the SW of the Palatinate. I started to > wonder > if our Yagers could have been employed by this family and moving around to > their different areas of influence. Also, we have assumed that because > Nicholas' father was said to be of Hessen, that meant that Nicholas also > was > born in Hessen. But it could be possible that Nicholas' family had been > in > the Palatinate for some time, and it was his father who, for whatever > reason, settled in Hessen. Anyway, if I could have a delightful year of > research in the Old Country, I would be looking around in Munchweiler for > the trail, and I would also be looking for a "Glasshutte" in those areas. > > Virginia Nuta > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:29 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > >> I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on >> towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd >> Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living >> southwest of Dusseldorf. 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In the church record Marc supplied, should read "she was later baptized 'on' Dom Quasimod". Dom Quasimod is a Latin form referring to "the first Sunday after Easter." Marc wrote: "ANNA MARGRETHA: 1716: In April, on Easter Tuesday, a baby daughter was born to Niclas Jeger of Falckenstein and she was later baptized at the Dom Quasimod. The Godparents were Johann Theobaldt Coestner of Falckenstein and Anna Margretha, the wife of Michel Jeger of the old Glasshutte. The child was named Anna Margetha."

Rick, You will definitely want to go to Falkenstein and Marienthal, both important villages to the Yagers. I have traveled to Germany several times with Germanna and when we have Jager/Yager descendants, we always go to both places. There is a church in Marienthal and our Tour Director, Dr. Katharine Brown, has the name of the pastor there. She is a very nice woman, well acquainted with Germanna and she speaks English. I will ask Katharine for her contact information and any other places that she suggest you visit. Cheers and I'm jealous! Barb Price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:29:29 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. Thanks in advance. If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Again thank you both, this is going to be a fun trip. It will start in late January and go for the entire year of 2011. I'll be starting up a new plant most of the time, (my employers export a lot to Europe and our customers there want a closer manufacturing site.) But, with German holidays and the extra incentives given me, I should have ample time to do some digging. What I can't do, my wife will. -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > No problem, Rick! I will get directions from Katharine for you and the > name of the pastor in Marienthal. They're really not that far from each > other and you will be blown away by Falkenstein, it is a very small > village with a very steep main street that leads up to the castle ruins, > they are quite magnificent and the view is spectacular! > > Barb Price > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:14:47 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > Wow! Thanks to both of you for the many things to look for. I wish it > was > an unencumbered trip for research, but my company has a bit of a say in > what > my activities will be for most of the time. > One thing I would ask, I've looked for Falkenstein and found several. The > literal translation is "Falcon Rock" and even German colleagues ask "Where > is Falkenstein". The Hessen lead with both Marienthal and the > Falkenstein > possibility are fairly close to where I'll be. > > I can be reached also privately at [email protected] > > Thanks for all the suggestions. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Virginia Nuta" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:02 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > >> Rick-- >> >> If I were going to spend some serious time in Germany, here is what I >> would >> be doing: >> >> 1) Pin down Nicholas' father's village. >> >> The father of our immigrant ancestor Nicholas was identified as Paul >> Yager >> of Meiyerspach in Hesse in the record of Nicholas' marriage to Anna Maria >> Sieber. Meiyerspach is thought to be a corruption of Weichersbach, a >> village in Hessen in the Mottgers parish. >> >> We have information on Yagers in that village and surrounding villages >> but >> nothing conclusive on the birth of a Nicholas that fits our Nicholas. >> (Not >> that it is a given that Nicholas is required to have been born there, he >> could have been born elsewhere and then his family moved.) >> >> It has been suggested by another visitor to Germany that there is a >> Meiyersbach, in Hessen, that could be the the father's village, rather >> than >> Weichersbach. If so, it would be a small place because I have not been >> able >> to find it. I still want to rule it out. No doubt in Germany there is >> someone who would know one way or another and I think it would be an >> important step for us. >> >> 2) Investigate the godparents of Nicholas' and Anna Maria's children. >> >> ADAM: Adam's godfather was Johann Adam Yager, a soldier of Wolfstein, >> and >> godmother Barbara, daughter of Claus Yager of Munchweiler. Munchweiler, >> I >> believe, is SW of Falkenstein. There was a Wolfstein area in Bavaria but >> also a village in the SW of the Palatinate. >> >> MARIA GERTRAUD: Nicolaus Jaager and Gertraud, his wife, of Munchweiler, >> were >> godparents for Nicholas' daughter, Maria Gertraud Yager in 1711. Rev. >> Dan >> Franklin, who obtained this information, thought that it is this couple >> who >> had the daughter Barbara born in 1690 in Weichersbach or Meiyersbach. >> >> ANNA MARIA: "On the 22nd of May, (1707), Nicolaus Jaeger of Falckenstein >> and >> his wife, Anna Maria, had a small daughter baptized. The daughter was >> born >> on the 19th of May at 8:00 am, and her godparents (witnesses) were >> Michael >> Jaeger of Meyersspach (Meiersspach or Weiersspach) of Hessen and his wife >> Anna Maria, the daughter of Johannes Wachmanns of Falkenstein and his >> wife >> Barbara, the legitimate daughter of Valentin Mayers of Muenchweiler." >> >> ANNA MARGRETHA: 1716: In April, on Easter Tuesday, a baby daughter was >> born >> to Niclas Jeger of Falckenstein and she was later baptized at the Dom >> Quasimod. The Godparents were Johann Theobaldt Coestner of Falckenstein >> and >> Anna Margretha, the wife of Michel Jeger of the old Glasshutte. The child >> was named Anna Margetha. >> >> ANNA MARIA: The godparents of the daughter Anna Maria were local from the >> Falkenstein area and were not Yagers. >> >> Clearly there is a Munchweiler connection as well as a Meiyersbach or >> Weichersbach connection. I think we have been hampered by the assumption >> that all our ancestors stayed in place for generations. John >> Blankenbaker's >> work shows us that this is not true. Further, when you think about the >> Wars >> of Louis IV that played out over these areas during the time our >> immigrant >> ancestors were growing up, it is more astonishing when they DID stay in >> place, because there were a lot of unpleasant things going on. >> >> I may be going out on a very weak limb here, but in finding out what I >> could >> about the local rulers of the Mottgers/Weichersbach/Oberzell area of >> Hessen, >> I saw that in the 17th century they were a branch of the Counts of Hanau >> who >> also controlled some lands in the SW of the Palatinate. I started to >> wonder >> if our Yagers could have been employed by this family and moving around >> to >> their different areas of influence. Also, we have assumed that because >> Nicholas' father was said to be of Hessen, that meant that Nicholas also >> was >> born in Hessen. But it could be possible that Nicholas' family had been >> in >> the Palatinate for some time, and it was his father who, for whatever >> reason, settled in Hessen. Anyway, if I could have a delightful year of >> research in the Old Country, I would be looking around in Munchweiler for >> the trail, and I would also be looking for a "Glasshutte" in those areas. >> >> Virginia Nuta >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:29 PM >> Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany >> >> >>> I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on >>> towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd >>> Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living >>> southwest of Dusseldorf. 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Well, Falkenstein, Marienthal, and Winnweiler are located in Pfalz--they are SW of Mainz; Falkenstein is on the Donnersberg which is the highest mountain in the area and it is a big recreational area. Munchweiler, I believe, is SW of that area, closer to France. The Hessen villages of Oberzell, Mottgers and Weichersbach in in the Sinntal region of Hessen which borders Bavaria and Thuringia, some distance although to Americans not all that far. Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Wow! Thanks to both of you for the many things to look for. I wish it > was > an unencumbered trip for research, but my company has a bit of a say in > what > my activities will be for most of the time. > One thing I would ask, I've looked for Falkenstein and found several. The > literal translation is "Falcon Rock" and even German colleagues ask "Where > is Falkenstein". The Hessen lead with both Marienthal and the > Falkenstein > possibility are fairly close to where I'll be. > > I can be reached also privately at [email protected] > > Thanks for all the suggestions. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Virginia Nuta" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:02 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > >> Rick-- >> >> If I were going to spend some serious time in Germany, here is what I >> would >> be doing: >> >> 1) Pin down Nicholas' father's village. >> >> The father of our immigrant ancestor Nicholas was identified as Paul >> Yager >> of Meiyerspach in Hesse in the record of Nicholas' marriage to Anna Maria >> Sieber. Meiyerspach is thought to be a corruption of Weichersbach, a >> village in Hessen in the Mottgers parish. >> >> We have information on Yagers in that village and surrounding villages >> but >> nothing conclusive on the birth of a Nicholas that fits our Nicholas. >> (Not >> that it is a given that Nicholas is required to have been born there, he >> could have been born elsewhere and then his family moved.) >> >> It has been suggested by another visitor to Germany that there is a >> Meiyersbach, in Hessen, that could be the the father's village, rather >> than >> Weichersbach. If so, it would be a small place because I have not been >> able >> to find it. I still want to rule it out. No doubt in Germany there is >> someone who would know one way or another and I think it would be an >> important step for us. >> >> 2) Investigate the godparents of Nicholas' and Anna Maria's children. >> >> ADAM: Adam's godfather was Johann Adam Yager, a soldier of Wolfstein, >> and >> godmother Barbara, daughter of Claus Yager of Munchweiler. Munchweiler, >> I >> believe, is SW of Falkenstein. There was a Wolfstein area in Bavaria but >> also a village in the SW of the Palatinate. >> >> MARIA GERTRAUD: Nicolaus Jaager and Gertraud, his wife, of Munchweiler, >> were >> godparents for Nicholas' daughter, Maria Gertraud Yager in 1711. Rev. >> Dan >> Franklin, who obtained this information, thought that it is this couple >> who >> had the daughter Barbara born in 1690 in Weichersbach or Meiyersbach. >> >> ANNA MARIA: "On the 22nd of May, (1707), Nicolaus Jaeger of Falckenstein >> and >> his wife, Anna Maria, had a small daughter baptized. The daughter was >> born >> on the 19th of May at 8:00 am, and her godparents (witnesses) were >> Michael >> Jaeger of Meyersspach (Meiersspach or Weiersspach) of Hessen and his wife >> Anna Maria, the daughter of Johannes Wachmanns of Falkenstein and his >> wife >> Barbara, the legitimate daughter of Valentin Mayers of Muenchweiler." >> >> ANNA MARGRETHA: 1716: In April, on Easter Tuesday, a baby daughter was >> born >> to Niclas Jeger of Falckenstein and she was later baptized at the Dom >> Quasimod. The Godparents were Johann Theobaldt Coestner of Falckenstein >> and >> Anna Margretha, the wife of Michel Jeger of the old Glasshutte. The child >> was named Anna Margetha. >> >> ANNA MARIA: The godparents of the daughter Anna Maria were local from the >> Falkenstein area and were not Yagers. >> >> Clearly there is a Munchweiler connection as well as a Meiyersbach or >> Weichersbach connection. I think we have been hampered by the assumption >> that all our ancestors stayed in place for generations. John >> Blankenbaker's >> work shows us that this is not true. Further, when you think about the >> Wars >> of Louis IV that played out over these areas during the time our >> immigrant >> ancestors were growing up, it is more astonishing when they DID stay in >> place, because there were a lot of unpleasant things going on. >> >> I may be going out on a very weak limb here, but in finding out what I >> could >> about the local rulers of the Mottgers/Weichersbach/Oberzell area of >> Hessen, >> I saw that in the 17th century they were a branch of the Counts of Hanau >> who >> also controlled some lands in the SW of the Palatinate. I started to >> wonder >> if our Yagers could have been employed by this family and moving around >> to >> their different areas of influence. Also, we have assumed that because >> Nicholas' father was said to be of Hessen, that meant that Nicholas also >> was >> born in Hessen. But it could be possible that Nicholas' family had been >> in >> the Palatinate for some time, and it was his father who, for whatever >> reason, settled in Hessen. Anyway, if I could have a delightful year of >> research in the Old Country, I would be looking around in Munchweiler for >> the trail, and I would also be looking for a "Glasshutte" in those areas. >> >> Virginia Nuta >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:29 PM >> Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany >> >> >>> I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on >>> towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd >>> Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living >>> southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line >>> data. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 5462 (20100919) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line >> data. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3145 - Release Date: 09/19/10 >> 02:34:00 >> > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5462 (20100919) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Wow! Thanks to both of you for the many things to look for. I wish it was an unencumbered trip for research, but my company has a bit of a say in what my activities will be for most of the time. One thing I would ask, I've looked for Falkenstein and found several. The literal translation is "Falcon Rock" and even German colleagues ask "Where is Falkenstein". The Hessen lead with both Marienthal and the Falkenstein possibility are fairly close to where I'll be. I can be reached also privately at [email protected] Thanks for all the suggestions. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Nuta" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Rick-- > > If I were going to spend some serious time in Germany, here is what I > would > be doing: > > 1) Pin down Nicholas' father's village. > > The father of our immigrant ancestor Nicholas was identified as Paul Yager > of Meiyerspach in Hesse in the record of Nicholas' marriage to Anna Maria > Sieber. Meiyerspach is thought to be a corruption of Weichersbach, a > village in Hessen in the Mottgers parish. > > We have information on Yagers in that village and surrounding villages but > nothing conclusive on the birth of a Nicholas that fits our Nicholas. (Not > that it is a given that Nicholas is required to have been born there, he > could have been born elsewhere and then his family moved.) > > It has been suggested by another visitor to Germany that there is a > Meiyersbach, in Hessen, that could be the the father's village, rather > than > Weichersbach. If so, it would be a small place because I have not been > able > to find it. I still want to rule it out. No doubt in Germany there is > someone who would know one way or another and I think it would be an > important step for us. > > 2) Investigate the godparents of Nicholas' and Anna Maria's children. > > ADAM: Adam's godfather was Johann Adam Yager, a soldier of Wolfstein, and > godmother Barbara, daughter of Claus Yager of Munchweiler. Munchweiler, > I > believe, is SW of Falkenstein. There was a Wolfstein area in Bavaria but > also a village in the SW of the Palatinate. > > MARIA GERTRAUD: Nicolaus Jaager and Gertraud, his wife, of Munchweiler, > were > godparents for Nicholas' daughter, Maria Gertraud Yager in 1711. Rev. > Dan > Franklin, who obtained this information, thought that it is this couple > who > had the daughter Barbara born in 1690 in Weichersbach or Meiyersbach. > > ANNA MARIA: "On the 22nd of May, (1707), Nicolaus Jaeger of Falckenstein > and > his wife, Anna Maria, had a small daughter baptized. The daughter was born > on the 19th of May at 8:00 am, and her godparents (witnesses) were Michael > Jaeger of Meyersspach (Meiersspach or Weiersspach) of Hessen and his wife > Anna Maria, the daughter of Johannes Wachmanns of Falkenstein and his wife > Barbara, the legitimate daughter of Valentin Mayers of Muenchweiler." > > ANNA MARGRETHA: 1716: In April, on Easter Tuesday, a baby daughter was > born > to Niclas Jeger of Falckenstein and she was later baptized at the Dom > Quasimod. The Godparents were Johann Theobaldt Coestner of Falckenstein > and > Anna Margretha, the wife of Michel Jeger of the old Glasshutte. The child > was named Anna Margetha. > > ANNA MARIA: The godparents of the daughter Anna Maria were local from the > Falkenstein area and were not Yagers. > > Clearly there is a Munchweiler connection as well as a Meiyersbach or > Weichersbach connection. I think we have been hampered by the assumption > that all our ancestors stayed in place for generations. John > Blankenbaker's > work shows us that this is not true. Further, when you think about the > Wars > of Louis IV that played out over these areas during the time our immigrant > ancestors were growing up, it is more astonishing when they DID stay in > place, because there were a lot of unpleasant things going on. > > I may be going out on a very weak limb here, but in finding out what I > could > about the local rulers of the Mottgers/Weichersbach/Oberzell area of > Hessen, > I saw that in the 17th century they were a branch of the Counts of Hanau > who > also controlled some lands in the SW of the Palatinate. I started to > wonder > if our Yagers could have been employed by this family and moving around to > their different areas of influence. Also, we have assumed that because > Nicholas' father was said to be of Hessen, that meant that Nicholas also > was > born in Hessen. But it could be possible that Nicholas' family had been > in > the Palatinate for some time, and it was his father who, for whatever > reason, settled in Hessen. Anyway, if I could have a delightful year of > research in the Old Country, I would be looking around in Munchweiler for > the trail, and I would also be looking for a "Glasshutte" in those areas. > > Virginia Nuta > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:29 PM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > >> I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on >> towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd >> Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living >> southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line >> data. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 5462 (20100919) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3145 - Release Date: 09/19/10 > 02:34:00 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: k_purchase Surnames: Hamler/Hammler/Homler/Hombler/Hambler/Homlar; Hammeler Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.germannacolonies/604.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Cathi~ >>>This morning I looked up the Gemmingen "Departure List" on pages 24-25 of the Gemmigen Death Register. Your Nicholas Hammler and his family are listed along with those families that left Gemmingen on 12 July 1717 and ended up at Germanna however it notes the Hammler family left three months earlier.<<< Thank you! So my Hammlers must have been on another ship... I wonder which one... >>>Another German family, the Raüser/Racer/Rasor family, lived in Sussex Co, NJ in the 1750s and 1760s before moving to present Madison Co, VA. In VA this family joined the Hebron Lutheran Church in present Madison Co<<< That's very interesting. I would think that members of the same church or just living in Gemmingen at the same time would be aware of each other. Perhaps my Gemmingen Hammlers/Hamlers were thwarted from coming down to Virginia; there are certainly reasons that this could be true: Mrs. Hammler died within the year of their arrival in the New World. Perhaps they left early for fear that she would be dead by the time they were slated to leave. Then, within the year after their arrival, Nicholas Sr. was getting married to a widow, Margaretha Barbara (Erich) Weidkneckt at the Lutheran Church in New York City. Since she already had children, the layered families (for Margaretha at least) might have wanted to stay all together rather then move on to either Virginia or Pennsylvania with some staying and some leaving. Just two freshly widowed people might have been happy to not have any more changes in their lives. Since their church seemed to be very important to Nicholas, once he was connected with the church in New York, he might not wanted to have changed churches. Perhaps the pastor in New York City was a great blessing to the family when the Hammler mother died. By the way, Cathi, that is so unusual that you are a "Cathi" with the full name of "Cathleen." Uusually Cathy's with a "C" are Catherines! I am curious as to whether you were named after the little girl Cathy Fiskus who gained national attention when she fell down a well and after a very long time of trying to get her out, the poor little thing was deceased when they were finally able to get to her. It was the time of early t.v. so it was one of the first landmark t.v. involvements, watched across the nation. Many, many mothers named their little girls "Cathy" after Cathy Fiskus that year. I was not named for her, but there were just about always three "Cathy's" in my class all through school. Feel free to email me privately at [email protected] And THANKS for the information! I am VERY interested in the Sussex County people who came down to Virginia to join the Germanna group ... My GGrandfather and family were living in Sussex county in the Census of 1850. (I am the product of "old" fathers; my GGrandfather was born in 1807.) Kathleen [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Rick-- If I were going to spend some serious time in Germany, here is what I would be doing: 1) Pin down Nicholas' father's village. The father of our immigrant ancestor Nicholas was identified as Paul Yager of Meiyerspach in Hesse in the record of Nicholas' marriage to Anna Maria Sieber. Meiyerspach is thought to be a corruption of Weichersbach, a village in Hessen in the Mottgers parish. We have information on Yagers in that village and surrounding villages but nothing conclusive on the birth of a Nicholas that fits our Nicholas. (Not that it is a given that Nicholas is required to have been born there, he could have been born elsewhere and then his family moved.) It has been suggested by another visitor to Germany that there is a Meiyersbach, in Hessen, that could be the the father's village, rather than Weichersbach. If so, it would be a small place because I have not been able to find it. I still want to rule it out. No doubt in Germany there is someone who would know one way or another and I think it would be an important step for us. 2) Investigate the godparents of Nicholas' and Anna Maria's children. ADAM: Adam's godfather was Johann Adam Yager, a soldier of Wolfstein, and godmother Barbara, daughter of Claus Yager of Munchweiler. Munchweiler, I believe, is SW of Falkenstein. There was a Wolfstein area in Bavaria but also a village in the SW of the Palatinate. MARIA GERTRAUD: Nicolaus Jaager and Gertraud, his wife, of Munchweiler, were godparents for Nicholas' daughter, Maria Gertraud Yager in 1711. Rev. Dan Franklin, who obtained this information, thought that it is this couple who had the daughter Barbara born in 1690 in Weichersbach or Meiyersbach. ANNA MARIA: "On the 22nd of May, (1707), Nicolaus Jaeger of Falckenstein and his wife, Anna Maria, had a small daughter baptized. The daughter was born on the 19th of May at 8:00 am, and her godparents (witnesses) were Michael Jaeger of Meyersspach (Meiersspach or Weiersspach) of Hessen and his wife Anna Maria, the daughter of Johannes Wachmanns of Falkenstein and his wife Barbara, the legitimate daughter of Valentin Mayers of Muenchweiler." ANNA MARGRETHA: 1716: In April, on Easter Tuesday, a baby daughter was born to Niclas Jeger of Falckenstein and she was later baptized at the Dom Quasimod. The Godparents were Johann Theobaldt Coestner of Falckenstein and Anna Margretha, the wife of Michel Jeger of the old Glasshutte. The child was named Anna Margetha. ANNA MARIA: The godparents of the daughter Anna Maria were local from the Falkenstein area and were not Yagers. Clearly there is a Munchweiler connection as well as a Meiyersbach or Weichersbach connection. I think we have been hampered by the assumption that all our ancestors stayed in place for generations. John Blankenbaker's work shows us that this is not true. Further, when you think about the Wars of Louis IV that played out over these areas during the time our immigrant ancestors were growing up, it is more astonishing when they DID stay in place, because there were a lot of unpleasant things going on. I may be going out on a very weak limb here, but in finding out what I could about the local rulers of the Mottgers/Weichersbach/Oberzell area of Hessen, I saw that in the 17th century they were a branch of the Counts of Hanau who also controlled some lands in the SW of the Palatinate. I started to wonder if our Yagers could have been employed by this family and moving around to their different areas of influence. Also, we have assumed that because Nicholas' father was said to be of Hessen, that meant that Nicholas also was born in Hessen. But it could be possible that Nicholas' family had been in the Palatinate for some time, and it was his father who, for whatever reason, settled in Hessen. Anyway, if I could have a delightful year of research in the Old Country, I would be looking around in Munchweiler for the trail, and I would also be looking for a "Glasshutte" in those areas. Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Yeager" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on > towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd > Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living > southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. > > Thanks in advance. > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5462 (20100919) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >