Betty I'm currently in Fla In the book you mentioned are there any Utterbacks, Stephens, or Otleys? Regards Brenda Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Betty Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Susan, > > You would probably like Vee Dove (Tull)'s book "Madison County Homes." It's a large coffee-table type book, 349 pages of photos of houses and their histories. Fascinating reading and great details. Broyles' names in the index are: Albert, Alfred, Alice Kindrick, Annie, Catherine, Ernestine R. Ayers, Ernest Wade, Frances Jenkins, Gertrude E. Carpenter, Inez B. Fincham, James Wesley, Jessie, Mildred, Rosanna, Wallace Rose, William Thomas, and Winbert Woodrow. I bought my copy from Mrs. Tull about 5 years ago. It's available in libraries in the Madison-Culpeper area, including the Germanna Visitor Center. > > I'm sure you know that the Broyles, Yagers, Clores, Weavers and Criglers were closely > connected by marriage and lived very near each other around > Criglersville. > > > > You mentioned surveys done by Geroge Washington in 1750. The 2nd Colony members began moving into what is now Madison County in the early to mid-1720s. John Blankenbaker has reproduced the D. E. Carpenter map of first patents in his newsletter "Beyond Germanna," vol. 2, #4 (July 1990), p. 97 -- as well as additional maps in vol. 9, #1, p. 477 (part of an article entitled "Early Patents in Madison Co., VA) and my personal favorite "Land Division Vicinity of Madison Co., Virginia" vol. 10, #6, p. 597. These newsletters are available on DVD from the Germanna Foundation. > > > You would enjoy researching the Madison County Land Tax Lists, which originate at the close of the American Revolution -- in 1782, so you would start with Culpeper County in that year and go on to Madison when it was established in 1793. The good part is that In 1814 these lists begin showing the exact location of each > property in number of miles and direction from Madison Courthouse, e.g., > SE 10 miles, plus names of adjacent landowners. The tax > lists are on microfilm at the Library of Virginia and from the LDS. > > I also got personal help from Dewey Lillard, who lives in Madison County and found exact sites of various Yager landholdings, using land descriptions in patents, grants and deeds that I had collected, and matching them to sites in his existing body of research. > > Betty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:24:57 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [GERMANNA] Original homesites of the 2nd Colony families in Zoar Hebron Valley > > When I attended the Germanna conference I spent some time looking at the > area and settlement patterns. I returned to examine the maps I obtained in > Virginia and looked at Google earth type software I have on my computer at > work. Has anyone done a lot of work on this topic? > > It appeared to me that the families may have lived communally for the > first few years in one or several hamlets, worked communally to clear the > productive bottom land and put in crops then after the land was surveyed about > 1750s by George Washington, moved to other homesites/hamlets in the > foothills on their parcels. . > > My family line is Broyles which was connected to the Fleshman's which are > connected to the Blankenbakers, Clores and Weavers. I focused on Weaver > road which transects the old Jacob Broyles land grant. I noted a very old > homesite on the left adjacent to a creek with a large older home on a hill. > This is the creek on Weaver Road past Woodward Hollow Road coming from the > valley . When looked at this area using my Googgle earth type software > which displays aerial photography it appears that there are some very old > buildings about 1/4-1/2 mile in along that creek, not visible from the road. > > > This summer I attended a Baptist church near Creagersville and met a John > Weaver and I obtained his phone number for future reference. Last > Saturday I spoke to him and was told that he lived along that creek on the right > side of the road as a child and frequently walked the creek. He noted a > home no longer there along the right side of the road but also some very old > log structures on the other side of the hill overlooking the creek. I was > wondering if anyone has explored this topic and actually tried to locate the > original settlements? > Susan > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My husband has decided that for our 35 Wedding Anniversary he is going to take me back down to the area so I can do some research. I know I will be visiting the Germanna Foundation for sure. I also would like to find some of the graves of some of my ancestors down there. Does anyone know where some of the people are resting that were in the first group? I am looking for Hitt, Kemper, Fishback, Weaver and others. Thanks, Rhonda Cowan

The Second Germanna Colony, for the first seven years in Virginia, lived on the north side of the Rapidan River. Various documents indicate that they were scattered from each other by about one-half mile. So they had experience of living in a more isolated fashion than they had known in German. When they moved to their new homes in what became Madison County in 1725, they moved to land that they had already staked out. In 1726, they obtained their patents for this land. Since the land required clearing so they could grow crops, I believe they would have lived on their own parcels and not in any central area. Some of these tracts were quite remote from the center of the settlement. Also, remember that the Rushes (Quakers) were living there and they apparently lived on their land at the northern end of the Robinson River settlement. They probably lived on their own land. I see no reason to doubt that the Germans, even the first settlers, lived on the land that they patented. John Blankenbaker

I do have the beautiful maps done by John Blankenbaker as well as the 1984 Eugene Scheel map of Madison County and map of "Culpeper including Madison in 1776" also prepared by Eugene Scheel. I was able to place my ancestors' property on those maps as best as I could but I have not reviewed the other material you indicated . I will try and get it as soon as possible I noted that the"Bloodsworth" Road (now Hoover)led to Indian village sites near Fleshmans Creek and the Robinson River. Another site is indicated not far from the Hebron Church off the German or Kirkley road which appears to be the old Zoar Road as indicated in the 1984 map. Does anyone know whether the Natives were living in these village sites when the Germanna families arrived? In looking at the information and visiting the site I couldn't help but wonder where they initially settled and whether they actually lived immediately on their parcels or lived in one or more hamlets as they do in Germany. In this situation they might travel one or two miles to their property to clear the land or perhaps joined other families to communally work the land. I also traveled to Washington Tennessee and noted that my ancestor Cyrus Broyles founded Broylesville with his brothers and they appeared to live in a hamlet with many older homes/milles scattered along the Little Limestone Creek . They did not appear to live isolated on their parcels. Perhaps the Germanna families did the same, at least until they felt more secure and had cleared the land so they could visually see an attack coming. This was very important in Mass especially after King Phillips War. I would appreciate any information and I will review the Germanna publications. Thanks again for the suggestions. Susan In a message dated 10/19/2010 7:10:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Susan, You would probably like Vee Dove (Tull)'s book "Madison County Homes." It's a large coffee-table type book, 349 pages of photos of houses and their histories. Fascinating reading and great details. Broyles' names in the index are: Albert, Alfred, Alice Kindrick, Annie, Catherine, Ernestine R. Ayers, Ernest Wade, Frances Jenkins, Gertrude E. Carpenter, Inez B. Fincham, James Wesley, Jessie, Mildred, Rosanna, Wallace Rose, William Thomas, and Winbert Woodrow. I bought my copy from Mrs. Tull about 5 years ago. It's available in libraries in the Madison-Culpeper area, including the Germanna Visitor Center. I'm sure you know that the Broyles, Yagers, Clores, Weavers and Criglers were closely connected by marriage and lived very near each other around Criglersville. You mentioned surveys done by Geroge Washington in 1750. The 2nd Colony members began moving into what is now Madison County in the early to mid-1720s. John Blankenbaker has reproduced the D. E. Carpenter map of first patents in his newsletter "Beyond Germanna," vol. 2, #4 (July 1990), p. 97 -- as well as additional maps in vol. 9, #1, p. 477 (part of an article entitled "Early Patents in Madison Co., VA) and my personal favorite "Land Division Vicinity of Madison Co., Virginia" vol. 10, #6, p. 597. These newsletters are available on DVD from the Germanna Foundation. You would enjoy researching the Madison County Land Tax Lists, which originate at the close of the American Revolution -- in 1782, so you would start with Culpeper County in that year and go on to Madison when it was established in 1793. The good part is that In 1814 these lists begin showing the exact location of each property in number of miles and direction from Madison Courthouse, e.g., SE 10 miles, plus names of adjacent landowners. The tax lists are on microfilm at the Library of Virginia and from the LDS. I also got personal help from Dewey Lillard, who lives in Madison County and found exact sites of various Yager landholdings, using land descriptions in patents, grants and deeds that I had collected, and matching them to sites in his existing body of research. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:24:57 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [GERMANNA] Original homesites of the 2nd Colony families in Zoar Hebron Valley When I attended the Germanna conference I spent some time looking at the area and settlement patterns. I returned to examine the maps I obtained in Virginia and looked at Google earth type software I have on my computer at work. Has anyone done a lot of work on this topic? It appeared to me that the families may have lived communally for the first few years in one or several hamlets, worked communally to clear the productive bottom land and put in crops then after the land was surveyed about 1750s by George Washington, moved to other homesites/hamlets in the foothills on their parcels. . My family line is Broyles which was connected to the Fleshman's which are connected to the Blankenbakers, Clores and Weavers. I focused on Weaver road which transects the old Jacob Broyles land grant. I noted a very old homesite on the left adjacent to a creek with a large older home on a hill. This is the creek on Weaver Road past Woodward Hollow Road coming from the valley . When looked at this area using my Googgle earth type software which displays aerial photography it appears that there are some very old buildings about 1/4-1/2 mile in along that creek, not visible from the road. This summer I attended a Baptist church near Creagersville and met a John Weaver and I obtained his phone number for future reference. Last Saturday I spoke to him and was told that he lived along that creek on the right side of the road as a child and frequently walked the creek. He noted a home no longer there along the right side of the road but also some very old log structures on the other side of the hill overlooking the creek. I was wondering if anyone has explored this topic and actually tried to locate the original settlements? Susan If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, You would probably like Vee Dove (Tull)'s book "Madison County Homes." It's a large coffee-table type book, 349 pages of photos of houses and their histories. Fascinating reading and great details. Broyles' names in the index are: Albert, Alfred, Alice Kindrick, Annie, Catherine, Ernestine R. Ayers, Ernest Wade, Frances Jenkins, Gertrude E. Carpenter, Inez B. Fincham, James Wesley, Jessie, Mildred, Rosanna, Wallace Rose, William Thomas, and Winbert Woodrow. I bought my copy from Mrs. Tull about 5 years ago. It's available in libraries in the Madison-Culpeper area, including the Germanna Visitor Center. I'm sure you know that the Broyles, Yagers, Clores, Weavers and Criglers were closely connected by marriage and lived very near each other around Criglersville. You mentioned surveys done by Geroge Washington in 1750. The 2nd Colony members began moving into what is now Madison County in the early to mid-1720s. John Blankenbaker has reproduced the D. E. Carpenter map of first patents in his newsletter "Beyond Germanna," vol. 2, #4 (July 1990), p. 97 -- as well as additional maps in vol. 9, #1, p. 477 (part of an article entitled "Early Patents in Madison Co., VA) and my personal favorite "Land Division Vicinity of Madison Co., Virginia" vol. 10, #6, p. 597. These newsletters are available on DVD from the Germanna Foundation. You would enjoy researching the Madison County Land Tax Lists, which originate at the close of the American Revolution -- in 1782, so you would start with Culpeper County in that year and go on to Madison when it was established in 1793. The good part is that In 1814 these lists begin showing the exact location of each property in number of miles and direction from Madison Courthouse, e.g., SE 10 miles, plus names of adjacent landowners. The tax lists are on microfilm at the Library of Virginia and from the LDS. I also got personal help from Dewey Lillard, who lives in Madison County and found exact sites of various Yager landholdings, using land descriptions in patents, grants and deeds that I had collected, and matching them to sites in his existing body of research. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:24:57 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [GERMANNA] Original homesites of the 2nd Colony families in Zoar Hebron Valley When I attended the Germanna conference I spent some time looking at the area and settlement patterns. I returned to examine the maps I obtained in Virginia and looked at Google earth type software I have on my computer at work. Has anyone done a lot of work on this topic? It appeared to me that the families may have lived communally for the first few years in one or several hamlets, worked communally to clear the productive bottom land and put in crops then after the land was surveyed about 1750s by George Washington, moved to other homesites/hamlets in the foothills on their parcels. . My family line is Broyles which was connected to the Fleshman's which are connected to the Blankenbakers, Clores and Weavers. I focused on Weaver road which transects the old Jacob Broyles land grant. I noted a very old homesite on the left adjacent to a creek with a large older home on a hill. This is the creek on Weaver Road past Woodward Hollow Road coming from the valley . When looked at this area using my Googgle earth type software which displays aerial photography it appears that there are some very old buildings about 1/4-1/2 mile in along that creek, not visible from the road. This summer I attended a Baptist church near Creagersville and met a John Weaver and I obtained his phone number for future reference. Last Saturday I spoke to him and was told that he lived along that creek on the right side of the road as a child and frequently walked the creek. He noted a home no longer there along the right side of the road but also some very old log structures on the other side of the hill overlooking the creek. I was wondering if anyone has explored this topic and actually tried to locate the original settlements? Susan

When I attended the Germanna conference I spent some time looking at the area and settlement patterns. I returned to examine the maps I obtained in Virginia and looked at Google earth type software I have on my computer at work. Has anyone done a lot of work on this topic? It appeared to me that the families may have lived communally for the first few years in one or several hamlets, worked communally to clear the productive bottom land and put in crops then after the land was surveyed about 1750s by George Washington, moved to other homesites/hamlets in the foothills on their parcels. . My family line is Broyles which was connected to the Fleshman's which are connected to the Blankenbakers, Clores and Weavers. I focused on Weaver road which transects the old Jacob Broyles land grant. I noted a very old homesite on the left adjacent to a creek with a large older home on a hill. This is the creek on Weaver Road past Woodward Hollow Road coming from the valley . When looked at this area using my Googgle earth type software which displays aerial photography it appears that there are some very old buildings about 1/4-1/2 mile in along that creek, not visible from the road. This summer I attended a Baptist church near Creagersville and met a John Weaver and I obtained his phone number for future reference. Last Saturday I spoke to him and was told that he lived along that creek on the right side of the road as a child and frequently walked the creek. He noted a home no longer there along the right side of the road but also some very old log structures on the other side of the hill overlooking the creek. I was wondering if anyone has explored this topic and actually tried to locate the original settlements? Susan In a message dated 10/12/2010 10:34:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: [email protected]

Virginia, I sure hope not --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Virginia Nuta <[email protected]> wrote: From: Virginia Nuta <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 8:39 PM Anita-- By any chance, do you know if the new White House Chief of Staff, who is a Rouse, is "one of us?" Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANITA SCHMIDT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members > The Second Colony may not have been naturalized before 1747.  Johannes > Rausch (Rouse)died in 1747 an alien. > > Anita > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Aylor > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members > >  Hi All, > > I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I > pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in > order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be > naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on > to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) > > I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early > as 1722 and 1724, but I don't see any second Colony members naturalized > prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search - I > scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John's Short Notes. > > Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being > naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the > Robinson River valley in 1725? > > Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? > > Thanks, > -Jeff Aylor > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5518 (20101009) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anita-- By any chance, do you know if the new White House Chief of Staff, who is a Rouse, is "one of us?" Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANITA SCHMIDT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members > The Second Colony may not have been naturalized before 1747. Johannes > Rausch (Rouse)died in 1747 an alien. > > Anita > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Aylor > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members > > Hi All, > > I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I > pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in > order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be > naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on > to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) > > I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early > as 1722 and 1724, but I don't see any second Colony members naturalized > prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search - I > scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John's Short Notes. > > Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being > naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the > Robinson River valley in 1725? > > Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? > > Thanks, > -Jeff Aylor > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5518 (20101009) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

This was sent to the list early this AM but has never appeared so I am resending. SCM ------------------------------------- Jacob Holtzclaw was naturalized by Lt. Gov. Spotswood 11 July 1722 (only two days before Nicholas Yager) in Williamsburg. For unknown reasons, Jacob Holtzclaw had his naturalization paper recorded at Spotsylvania Court House 5 October 1725, thus we have the clerk's copy available to us today. At the time, he was living in Stafford County. Given that at least one person from the 1714 group and one from the 1717 group were naturalized within a few days of each other, it may be useful to search records available from that time frame in Williamsburg. It is possible that John Hoffman and John Fishback were naturalized at the same time. It is also possible that some of the Germanna colonists were never naturalized. Jacob Holtzclaw, John Hoffman and John Fishback were the three who received the land at Germantown "in trust" for the 1714 group because they were naturalized. I use quotes for the phrase "in trust" because the actual document used when the land was dispersed to the others was a lease for 99 years plus 99 years which is most definitely not a deed in fee simple. Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:34:37 -0400 From: Jeff Aylor <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hi All, I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early as 1722 and 1724, but I don?t see any second Colony members naturalized prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search ? I scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John?s Short Notes. Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the Robinson River valley in 1725? Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? Thanks, -Jeff Aylor

Michael Wilheit patented land of 299 acres ( Sept. 28 1728) in Culpeper and proved importation from German in 1735. He seems to be an accepted second colony person,

Nicholas Yager of the 2nd Colony was naturalized in 1722, signed by Lt. Gov. Spotswood. His naturalization papers are owned by descendants in Madison County, and are transcribed in the latest Yager genealogy. Long ago the citation for his naturalization was given on this site as: "Nicholas Yager. Naturalization paper, 13 July 1722. Accession 31432. Personal papers collection, The Library of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia." Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Aylor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members Hi All, I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early as 1722 and 1724, but I don’t see any second Colony members naturalized prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search – I scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John’s Short Notes. Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the Robinson River valley in 1725? Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? Thanks, -Jeff Aylor If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5518 (20101009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi All, I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early as 1722 and 1724, but I don’t see any second Colony members naturalized prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search – I scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John’s Short Notes. Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the Robinson River valley in 1725? Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? Thanks, -Jeff Aylor

13 July 1722 Nicholas Yager was naturalized at Williamsburg, Virginia. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ANITA SCHMIDT Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members The Second Colony may not have been naturalized before 1747. Johannes Rausch (Rouse)died in 1747 an alien. Anita -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Aylor Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members Hi All, I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early as 1722 and 1724, but I don't see any second Colony members naturalized prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search - I scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John's Short Notes. Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the Robinson River valley in 1725? Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? Thanks, -Jeff Aylor

Nicholas Yager's naturalization certificate at the Library of Virginia is just a photocopy of the original now in private ownership. At one time it was owned by the Madison County Clerk's Office, if I remember correctly it was donated there by Miss Priscilla Yager. It was sold to the current owners some time between the publication of Germanna Record #10 and 2003 when I saw it during the Madison County tour, although I do not know who made the decision to sell it out of public ownership. Is there a record of those naturalizations granted at Williamsburg in the same time frame as Nicholas Yager? Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members Nicholas Yager of the 2nd Colony was naturalized in 1722, signed by Lt. Gov. Spotswood. His naturalization papers are owned by descendants in Madison County, and are transcribed in the latest Yager genealogy. Long ago the citation for his naturalization was given on this site as: "Nicholas Yager. Naturalization paper, 13 July 1722. Accession 31432. Personal papers collection, The Library of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia." Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Aylor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members Hi All, I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early as 1722 and 1724, but I don’t see any second Colony members naturalized prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search – I scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John’s Short Notes. Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the Robinson River valley in 1725? Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? Thanks, -Jeff Aylor If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5518 (20101009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, thank you so much for sending this to the Germanna List, he so loved the bus load of people from Germanna that would stop by each July.. he met some great friends, and loved telling all of them about the old places and graveyards in Madison, with the old Tanner site always being first on his list. John, you and Eleanor are the greatest, what dear sweet people you are to drive way down here to be with us at this time.. I shall never forget your kindess.. Love, Joan [and it comes so natural to put, "and Bobby"] Protected by www.Spam-Stop.com {ZFmMlY3uyX3Vs117ii} ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Blankenbaker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Tanner celebration, > The husband, Bobby (Robert Michael), of Germanna's very good friend, > Joan Tanner, died last Wednesday. Many of us had met him at the Tanner > Feed and Seed store in Madison where he was often found holding > "court" on the front porch. Bobby and Joan had been married 56 years. > > Eleanor and I went to his memorial service Friday night. It seems as > if the whole town had turned in his memory. There were many relatives, > townspeople, fellow church members (he was an elder), and the fire > department , old hunting buddies and > representatives of other civic organizations. His three children, > grandchildren and great-grandchildren all live in the Madison area. > > John Blankenbaker > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Second Colony may not have been naturalized before 1747. Johannes Rausch (Rouse)died in 1747 an alien. Anita -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Aylor Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMANNA] Naturalizations of 2nd Colony members Hi All, I was looking for information on property ownership around 1725 when I pondered the question as to whether a person had to be naturalized in order to own land. (The answer is that you did not need to be naturalized to own property, but you could not legally pass property on to your heirs if you were not naturalized.) I noticed that quite a few 1st Colony members were naturalized as early as 1722 and 1724, but I don't see any second Colony members naturalized prior to about 1743. Granted this is not an exhaustive search - I scanned my Beyond Germanna CD and all of John's Short Notes. Does anyone have any evidence of any 2nd Colony members being naturalized before 1740, or more specifically before they moved to the Robinson River valley in 1725? Any thoughts on why the 2nd Colony (in general) waited so long? Thanks, -Jeff Aylor If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The husband, Bobby (Robert Michael), of Germanna's very good friend, Joan Tanner, died last Wednesday. Many of us had met him at the Tanner Feed and Seed store in Madison where he was often found holding "court" on the front porch. Bobby and Joan had been married 56 years. Eleanor and I went to his memorial service Friday night. It seems as if the whole town had turned in his memory. There were many relatives, townspeople, fellow church members (he was an elder), and the fire department (he was Chief at one time), old hunting buddies and representatives of other civic organizations. His three children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren all live in the Madison area. John Blankenbaker

At 10/5/2010 11:33 AM Tuesday, [email protected] wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > Since this passenger list includes Johann Phillipe Toma and since Johannes > Thoma (Germanna) had a nephew of this age who would have been about 30 years > old, I am wondering if anyone in this group recoginizes any names that might > connect to their German families. TAke care. Marilyn > >The Foreigners whose Names are underwritten, imported in the Ship Chance, >Capt. Charles Smith, from Rotterdam, did this day take and subscribethe usual >Qualifications. Consigned to Mr. Robt. Ruescastle, Mercht.208 Whole Freights. >93 Persons. Paid for 107 at 1/6 - L8.0.6. Sept. 13,1764. >(snip) >Sebastian (X) Bender [Does anyone know if Sebastian is related to the BENDERS that originated in Eschelbach, lived in Illingen, and ended up in Shenandoah Co., VA?] >Johanes Schneider [Any clues as to whether this SCHNEIDER is related to those that ended up in Culpeper Co.?] >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

My husband has decided that for our 35 Wedding Anniversary he is going to take me back down to the area so I can do some research. I know I will be visiting the Germanna Foundation for sure. I also would like to find some of the graves of some of my ancestors down there. Does anyone know where some of the people are resting that were in the first group? I am looking for Hitt, Kemper, Fishback, Weaver and others. Thanks, Rhonda Cowan

Are there any Germanna lines that married into Native American lines in Fauquier or the Virginia settlement? Sent from my iPhone