Hi Virginia, Your observations are right on the make. Various emigrants from various villages did hold land. They also had a few head of livestock. All had lots of pigs. [There was a pig war in the area around Gemmingen and north.] The peasants won. [Peasant does not always mean poverty stricken. But some were at various times.] At times most of the citizens of a village were rather comfortable. At other times, perhaps no so happy. Just like today. It was obvious to those that had land holdings on their own, that with large families, the plots were getting smaller and smaller. By hook or crook they decide to move own. There is only one reason that most came. The man had married a lady of quality and had to hit the road with her. Maybe once in awhile, but the only one I have run into that was close to the Baron was the Volck family of Wagenbach. One of the sons in the early 1700s married into the nobility at Obergimpern. Very shortly he had converted to the Catholic religion which was very popular with the females of Obergimpern. Not the Volck fellow; become Catholic. I found few men begin baptized, but lot so women, by the Catholic priest. They still went to the same building for worship until 1910. Catholics at 9, protestants at 11. More went to Russia than came to America in those days. They scattered to the four winds. I was surprised when in the way south of Chile to find that it was basically settled by Germans. One still sees the traditional carts being used there. Lovely country and great climate! Excellent wine also! Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Nuta" <vrnuta@verizon.net> To: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com>; <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth > Hi Cary-- > > Allow me just to venture a thought abut the social status of the emigrants > from Germany. I have long wondered how a "serf" would get the wherewithall > to travel down the Rhine, pay all the tolls, and get the ship to England -- > often with a family in tow -- even if the plan was to pay for passage by > being indentured. Young men, maybe, who could work their passage -- young > men from Schwaigern have been described as slipping out during the night -- > , but families? > > I wonder if the families that left weren't a little higher on the scale. > Small farmers who had their own land to sell; artisans who perhaps had a > house, a loom, some tools to sell. The immigrant John George Schaible, for > example, was a weaver. (See Patricia Lowe's article about him in the > September issue of the GRG Journal, www.germannacolonies.org.) > > A.G. Roeber in his book "Palatines, Liberty and Property: German Lutherans > in Colonial British America," (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, > 2003, 2008), describes inventories of the estates of villagers and small > towns in Wurttemberg, the Kraichgau area, and the Palatine. He says that > books were present in almost every inventory in Wurttemberg, although > slightly less so in the Kraichgau and fewer in the Palatinate. He also > describes the towns of the wine-growing areas that our ancestors lived in as > being fairly prosperous. But the small holders and the small artisans could > be pressed by bad weather and population growth, and they had to struggle to > maintain themselves. I would think that this class of people would be more > likely to produce our immigrant families than a landless serf. > > Just a thought--I have had a hard time finding books about the material and > social culture of SW Germany, at that time, that are in English. Would love > to hear from others. > > Ginnie > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:15 PM > To: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com>; <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth > > > Rarely, was the child not baptized in the parish church is the info I've > > gained from my close friends who are genealogical and historical experts > > in > > Germany. In severe cases and with clout, it was occasionally done. It > > was > > in Bismarck's days when the rights of the nobility to basically "own" the > > peasants was abolished. Remember the last king of independent country of > > Bavarian? Ludwig the Mad! He bankrupted a lot of the nobility. You can > > imagine what happened to the peasantry! > > > > Remember, these folks that left Germany for America and elsewhere were > > usually quite poor serf's bound to the local baron or count! In many > > cases > > they were looked upon as just a bit about the cows, pigs, hogs, etc. > > > > In Wittenberg, it was in 1738 when the ban on leaving without permission > > was > > lifted for the peasants. > > > > Few folks leave a good life to venture to the unknown. That was even more > > so back into he 1700s. > > > > I, myself, have mental pictures based on the very nice homes, etc., seen > > in > > the villages of Germany. One must remember the Marshall plan was also > > used > > to modernized homes outside and in that were not destroyed in WWII. > > > > I am so glad that this list is so much more active that the past couple > > years. > > > > Keep it up folks. > > > > Cary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com> > > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth > > > > > > I was baptized on my day of birth due to being so sickly and my chance of > > survival was slim. Two of my older brothers had the same condition and > > both > > died within 1 and 3 days of birth. I would say that the fact that the > > mother > > did not attend may be an indicator that the mother and child has a rough > > time of it, and that their religous beliefs were that a person needed to > > be > > baptised to have entry to Heaven... > > > > Kathy > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was referring specifically to the two groups who resided for a time at or near Fort Germanna in present day Orange County. --- On Fri, 9/2/11, Sherron Nay <snay2@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Sherron Nay <snay2@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [GERMANS-VA] Asking for Assistance > To: germans-va@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 10:32 PM > Several of the Little Fork families > landed in PA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne Matson" <scmatson@windstream.net> > To: <germans-va@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMANS-VA] Asking for Assistance > > > > The Germanna groups did not land in NY or PA. They > landed in Virginia, one > > group in 1714 and one group in 1717. > > http://germannacolonies.org  is an excellent place > to look. > > > > Suzanne Collins Matson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: germans-va-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:germans-va-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of susi c pentico > > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:57 PM > > To: germans-va@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [GERMANS-VA] Asking for Assistance > > > > > > Since your talking of Germannia here I am hoping this > will be accepted and > > answered. > > > > Since the Gremannia people migrated south to this area > I need help with > > potential urls and sites to learn of information in NY > or Pa for > > researching > > this line as it came south. Does anyone have good urls > or sources to > > share? > > > > Please and Thanks > > > > I am still attempting to see if my John is from the > Germannnia group. > > > > Susi > > ******** > > Hear Bill Barker (aka Thomas Jefferson at Colonial > Williamsburg) speak > > October 1, 2011, at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison Co, > VA. For more > > information: http://germannacolonies.org > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ******** > > Hear Bill Barker (aka Thomas Jefferson at Colonial > Williamsburg) speak > > October 1, 2011, at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison Co, > VA. For more > > information: http://germannacolonies.org > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ******** > Hear Bill Barker (aka Thomas Jefferson at Colonial > Williamsburg) speak October 1, 2011, at Graves Mountain > Lodge, Madison Co, VA. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Being a novice at making additions or changes to the Germanna tree, I have a question before I delete or change anybody. Lucy Fishback, daughter of John Fishback and Alice Morgan, is cited as born 1805 in Madison County, VA, and is said to have married Aaron W. Lacy. I wonder if someone could cite the source for this connection. I don't want to step on toes by deleting Aaron. My research shows that this Lucy was born about 1794 in Culpeper and married Edward Settle about 1812. She died in Culpeper about 1865. The Genealogy of the Fishback Family by Kemper page 112 confirms this. Also, page 428 of "Beyond Germanna" v. 8, n.1 "John Fishback Family Bible" copied by John Gott in 1995 lists the children of John Fishback and Alice Morgan, #VI, Lucy Fishback, m. Settle. This is a DAR line I have recently proved. So I guess I'm asking for an OK to delete Aaron and add my line. Libby

I took the marriage of this Lucy to Aaron out - so I will update the Lacy family - you can add your Lucy information. TR -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Reichling Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:46 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Lucy Fishback m. Edward Settle Aaron W. Lacy did marry a Lucy Fishback, but I have her parents as Harmon Fishback and Christena Hoffman. The marriage record shows Lucy as "daughter of Christena Fishback" in Madison County, VA - 31 Aug 1824. This Lucy's birthdate was 22 May 1799 and death was 12 Jun 1828. I can update the file for this and add the marriage (I have a copy of record) - then you can add your Lucy as a new person. Since Aaron Lacy DID marry a Fishback, I don't think you should delete the family. Terrie Reichling -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Libbybaker@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:07 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; Germans-VA@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Lucy Fishback m. Edward Settle Being a novice at making additions or changes to the Germanna tree, I have a question before I delete or change anybody. Lucy Fishback, daughter of John Fishback and Alice Morgan, is cited as born 1805 in Madison County, VA, and is said to have married Aaron W. Lacy. I wonder if someone could cite the source for this connection. I don't want to step on toes by deleting Aaron. My research shows that this Lucy was born about 1794 in Culpeper and married Edward Settle about 1812. She died in Culpeper about 1865. The Genealogy of the Fishback Family by Kemper page 112 confirms this. Also, page 428 of "Beyond Germanna" v. 8, n.1 "John Fishback Family Bible" copied by John Gott in 1995 lists the children of John Fishback and Alice Morgan, #VI, Lucy Fishback, m. Settle. This is a DAR line I have recently proved. So I guess I'm asking for an OK to delete Aaron and add my line. Libby TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aaron W. Lacy did marry a Lucy Fishback, but I have her parents as Harmon Fishback and Christena Hoffman. The marriage record shows Lucy as "daughter of Christena Fishback" in Madison County, VA - 31 Aug 1824. This Lucy's birthdate was 22 May 1799 and death was 12 Jun 1828. I can update the file for this and add the marriage (I have a copy of record) - then you can add your Lucy as a new person. Since Aaron Lacy DID marry a Fishback, I don't think you should delete the family. Terrie Reichling -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Libbybaker@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:07 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; Germans-VA@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Lucy Fishback m. Edward Settle Being a novice at making additions or changes to the Germanna tree, I have a question before I delete or change anybody. Lucy Fishback, daughter of John Fishback and Alice Morgan, is cited as born 1805 in Madison County, VA, and is said to have married Aaron W. Lacy. I wonder if someone could cite the source for this connection. I don't want to step on toes by deleting Aaron. My research shows that this Lucy was born about 1794 in Culpeper and married Edward Settle about 1812. She died in Culpeper about 1865. The Genealogy of the Fishback Family by Kemper page 112 confirms this. Also, page 428 of "Beyond Germanna" v. 8, n.1 "John Fishback Family Bible" copied by John Gott in 1995 lists the children of John Fishback and Alice Morgan, #VI, Lucy Fishback, m. Settle. This is a DAR line I have recently proved. So I guess I'm asking for an OK to delete Aaron and add my line. Libby TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would love to read the Scheible notes on the new Germanna magazine but I am password challenged and have never been able to access these notes. <sigh> So I have a question. I have a note that only Anna Elizabeth Scheible Holt was thought to be the only surviving child of Hans George because Hans George left everything to his grandson, George Holt. So I am on the Germanna Tree and find NO grandson named George. I wondered if the reference was that he left everything to his son in law Michael Holt causing the belief that Anna Elizabeth was the only child who survived. Remember my note for yesterday wondering if it could have been because she was the only one who was married. I want to be correct in my thought processes so could someone send me an abstract of this will or at least tell me to whom he left his land.-- and confirm the date it was written and probated. Thanks bunches, Marilyn

Hi Cary-- Allow me just to venture a thought abut the social status of the emigrants from Germany. I have long wondered how a "serf" would get the wherewithall to travel down the Rhine, pay all the tolls, and get the ship to England -- often with a family in tow -- even if the plan was to pay for passage by being indentured. Young men, maybe, who could work their passage -- young men from Schwaigern have been described as slipping out during the night -- , but families? I wonder if the families that left weren't a little higher on the scale. Small farmers who had their own land to sell; artisans who perhaps had a house, a loom, some tools to sell. The immigrant John George Schaible, for example, was a weaver. (See Patricia Lowe's article about him in the September issue of the GRG Journal, www.germannacolonies.org.) A.G. Roeber in his book "Palatines, Liberty and Property: German Lutherans in Colonial British America," (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2003, 2008), describes inventories of the estates of villagers and small towns in Wurttemberg, the Kraichgau area, and the Palatine. He says that books were present in almost every inventory in Wurttemberg, although slightly less so in the Kraichgau and fewer in the Palatinate. He also describes the towns of the wine-growing areas that our ancestors lived in as being fairly prosperous. But the small holders and the small artisans could be pressed by bad weather and population growth, and they had to struggle to maintain themselves. I would think that this class of people would be more likely to produce our immigrant families than a landless serf. Just a thought--I have had a hard time finding books about the material and social culture of SW Germany, at that time, that are in English. Would love to hear from others. Ginnie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cary Anderson" <drcary@cox.net> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:15 PM To: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com>; <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth > Rarely, was the child not baptized in the parish church is the info I've > gained from my close friends who are genealogical and historical experts > in > Germany. In severe cases and with clout, it was occasionally done. It > was > in Bismarck's days when the rights of the nobility to basically "own" the > peasants was abolished. Remember the last king of independent country of > Bavarian? Ludwig the Mad! He bankrupted a lot of the nobility. You can > imagine what happened to the peasantry! > > Remember, these folks that left Germany for America and elsewhere were > usually quite poor serf's bound to the local baron or count! In many > cases > they were looked upon as just a bit about the cows, pigs, hogs, etc. > > In Wittenberg, it was in 1738 when the ban on leaving without permission > was > lifted for the peasants. > > Few folks leave a good life to venture to the unknown. That was even more > so back into he 1700s. > > I, myself, have mental pictures based on the very nice homes, etc., seen > in > the villages of Germany. One must remember the Marshall plan was also > used > to modernized homes outside and in that were not destroyed in WWII. > > I am so glad that this list is so much more active that the past couple > years. > > Keep it up folks. > > Cary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com> > To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth > > > I was baptized on my day of birth due to being so sickly and my chance of > survival was slim. Two of my older brothers had the same condition and > both > died within 1 and 3 days of birth. I would say that the fact that the > mother > did not attend may be an indicator that the mother and child has a rough > time of it, and that their religous beliefs were that a person needed to > be > baptised to have entry to Heaven... > > Kathy > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rarely, was the child not baptized in the parish church is the info I've gained from my close friends who are genealogical and historical experts in Germany. In severe cases and with clout, it was occasionally done. It was in Bismarck's days when the rights of the nobility to basically "own" the peasants was abolished. Remember the last king of independent country of Bavarian? Ludwig the Mad! He bankrupted a lot of the nobility. You can imagine what happened to the peasantry! Remember, these folks that left Germany for America and elsewhere were usually quite poor serf's bound to the local baron or count! In many cases they were looked upon as just a bit about the cows, pigs, hogs, etc. In Wittenberg, it was in 1738 when the ban on leaving without permission was lifted for the peasants. Few folks leave a good life to venture to the unknown. That was even more so back into he 1700s. I, myself, have mental pictures based on the very nice homes, etc., seen in the villages of Germany. One must remember the Marshall plan was also used to modernized homes outside and in that were not destroyed in WWII. I am so glad that this list is so much more active that the past couple years. Keep it up folks. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth I was baptized on my day of birth due to being so sickly and my chance of survival was slim. Two of my older brothers had the same condition and both died within 1 and 3 days of birth. I would say that the fact that the mother did not attend may be an indicator that the mother and child has a rough time of it, and that their religous beliefs were that a person needed to be baptised to have entry to Heaven... Kathy TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You may have missed the point! How many mother's would get up, get dressed and walk 4 miles on the day the child was born? Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "kshepard" <menotyou17@yahoo.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Baptism on day of birth I was baptized on my day of birth due to being so sickly and my chance of survival was slim. Two of my older brothers had the same condition and both died within 1 and 3 days of birth. I would say that the fact that the mother did not attend may be an indicator that the mother and child has a rough time of it, and that their religous beliefs were that a person needed to be baptised to have entry to Heaven... Kathy TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh Hallelulia. Fellow researchers are THE BEST. THANK YOU. Here is a hug ( ) from me to you. I now have a direction to go in SLC to study this a little more. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Virginia Nuta <vrnuta@verizon.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 6:56 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans and Michael Thomas Marilyn-- Adam Smith of Virginia is referred to on p. 71 of the Early Landowners of Pennsylvania: Land Tracts Transferred from Virginia to Pennsylvania Jurisdiction 1779-1780, by Sharon MacInnes. as selling two tracts of land on May 20, 1772, to Daniel Moredock, one of which is bounded by Rushy Run and the other by Enoch's or Swan's Run. The two tracts joined and included the fine land about the Dry Tavern at Rice's Landing. This is present-day Greene Co., PA, and the information is taken from Howard Lecky, p. 265, The Tenmile Country and Its Pioneer Families: A Genealogical History of the Upper Monongahela Valley (Baltimore, MD: reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc., 2001. -------------------------------------------------- From: <gneolog@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:18 PM To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans and Michael Thomas > For someone not familiar with my Thomas family -- you did GREAT. I have > seen both the books that you mentioned but have never seen the township > map which appears to be an oversight on my part if in the same MacInnes > book. Not surprizing -- I am about brain dead half the time while in Salt > Lake City. Would you mind looking to see if an ADAM SMITH is mentioned > anywhere in these books. He is my project for my next trip to SLC. Thanks > for your wonderful help. Take care. Marilyn > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn-- Adam Smith of Virginia is referred to on p. 71 of the Early Landowners of Pennsylvania: Land Tracts Transferred from Virginia to Pennsylvania Jurisdiction 1779-1780, by Sharon MacInnes. as selling two tracts of land on May 20, 1772, to Daniel Moredock, one of which is bounded by Rushy Run and the other by Enoch's or Swan's Run. The two tracts joined and included the fine land about the Dry Tavern at Rice's Landing. This is present-day Greene Co., PA, and the information is taken from Howard Lecky, p. 265, The Tenmile Country and Its Pioneer Families: A Genealogical History of the Upper Monongahela Valley (Baltimore, MD: reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc., 2001. -------------------------------------------------- From: <gneolog@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:18 PM To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans and Michael Thomas > For someone not familiar with my Thomas family -- you did GREAT. I have > seen both the books that you mentioned but have never seen the township > map which appears to be an oversight on my part if in the same MacInnes > book. Not surprizing -- I am about brain dead half the time while in Salt > Lake City. Would you mind looking to see if an ADAM SMITH is mentioned > anywhere in these books. He is my project for my next trip to SLC. Thanks > for your wonderful help. Take care. Marilyn > > > >

My notes for Hans (taken from John's Germanna notes) say re: birth and baptism on the same day Ortssippenbuch for Oberoewisheim-Neuenbuerg. On 17 April 1712 there was born and baptized on the same day the baby Hanss Wendel THOMA, The parents were Johann THOMA and Anna Maria The sponsors at this baptism were Hanss Wendel Neideck of Oberoewisheim and Maria Eleonora the wife of Hanss Jerg Schaiblin. Where would we be without John's notes. What a blessing they are to all of us. Just wanted all of you to know that I am NOT GIVING UP on the possibility that Mary, the wife of Hans Thoma, was Anna Maria Scheible, daughter of Johann George. I know it is thought probable that Anna Elizabeth Scheible Holt was the only remaining child since George left everything to his son in law in his will, BUT Anna Maria could possibly not have been named because she was not married at the time. We know that she came to VA We know that the two families were close in Neuenburg -- see above -- her mother was sponsor for baptism of Hans We know that she and Hans were about the same age We know that the wife of Hans was Mary We know that the Scheible patent at Germanna was right next to the Thomas patent It is interesting to me that the NEIDECK sponsor for Hans (first of all that he has the same first and second name) had the same last name as the mother of Hans George Scheible Take care, Marilyn

I was baptized on my day of birth due to being so sickly and my chance of survival was slim.  Two of my older brothers had the same condition and both died within 1 and 3 days of birth.  I would say that the fact that the mother did not attend may be an indicator that the mother and child has a rough time of it, and that their religous beliefs were that a person needed to be baptised to have entry to Heaven...   Kathy

George, I guess you call it the "base" database. To touch lightly on copyright, do not be surprised if ancestry.com claims that anything on that tree is "their" property. So, if you don't want to see your research sold on a CD, or show up Lord knows where, etc, DO NOT ADD IT IN. That being said, I think most of us want to produce as accurate a picture as we can, with the best documentation we can. Frankly, I see it as an opportunity to at least get ONE on-line version of my own tree as right as it can be for now. I think the reputation of this tree will get around quickly and I foresee good things for it. George may have to limit the number of people he has editing it, however. I know we are all in a learning curve right now, and that is to be expected. There's that can't be fixed if we make blunders or delete someone instead of unlinking them (how do I do that?) Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:33 AM, George W. Durman wrote: > As far as publishing, I don't have a clue. I posted my original database at Ancestry and allowed it to be "Shared". Since no one else had done the same thing, it seems that now everyone is using the database I posted, my database with all its errors. > > Keep working with the Ancestry Tree. I suspect that since so much work has already been done on it, it may become the de facto database. Keep correcting, keep editing.

Marilyn, I use John Blankenbaker as my guide. HE considers the THOMA/THOMAS family as a 2nd Colony family. I don't know of anything that would preclude that family to continue to be a part of the Germanna Tree at Ancestry. As far as publishing, I don't have a clue. I posted my original database at Ancestry and allowed it to be "Shared". Since no one else had done the same thing, it seems that now everyone is using the database I posted, my database with all its errors. Keep working with the Ancestry Tree. I suspect that since so much work has already been done on it, it may become the de facto database. Keep correcting, keep editing. Sarge At 9/3/2011 09:33 AM Saturday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Since my life has been overtaken the last week or so with finetuning the early Thomas family to input on the master page, and adding land patents, signature marks, stories etc. I thought I better ask before I continue -- what are the plans, if any, for this tree? Will it eventually be printed and kept at the Library at the Museum and if so, is there a time period that I need to set for a goal. The next thing -- will the Thomas family be included? I know that we are not considered as "legitimate" 2nd Colony members but we consider ourselves as such. If not included through Johannes Thomas, we would certainly be included under Blankenbaker. My goal is to get as much correct, documented info available to try to counteract all of the EXTREMELY BAD info posted on the trees at ancestry. I hope that people will "steal" my work and don't mind if they claim it as their own -- just get it right. Take care. Marilyn > >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Norma, here is the Note I have for Peter C. BROYLES' wife, Elizabetha ?: ======================================================= Elisabetha's birth surname is not known; it was most certainly not BLANKENBAKER. Zacharias BLANKENBAKER married a woman named Els or Alcey (surname unknown), who already had the daughter Elisabetha. This Elisabetha became the step-daughter of Zacharias BLANKENBAKER, and several "researchers" seeing her in Zacharias' family, automatically gave her the surname "BLANKENBAKER". According to one family history, Els'/Alcey's, previous husband was a FINKS, and anyone who enters her surname as FINKS is probably correct, but there is absolutely no documented proof of this. All of Zacharias' children are listed in the Hebron Church Birth Register, and Elisabetha is not one of them, so it is "assumed" she was a step-daughter from his wife's previous marriage. Some researchers have Elisabeth's (Elizabeth's) surname as FLESHMAN, which is also incorrect. From all available evidence, she married John FLESHMAN, who died and then she married Peter C. BROYLES - FLESHMAN was her married surname. ======================================================= John Blankenbaker has posted several times on this subject and the above Note was extrapolated from his posts. Sarge At 9/4/2011 02:55 PM Sunday, Houseno@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >One of my lines comes through Peter Broyles, son of Hans Jacob and Mary >Catherine Fleishman Broyles. I have Peter as being married to Elizabeth >Blankenbaker, d/o Z. Blankenbaker and Elizabeth Alcey Finks. Does anyone have >information on this line? > >Norma House >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Hi Suzee, boy did I ever get people involved! Wish I had discovered it sooner. Sarge At 9/4/2011 02:19 PM Sunday, Suzee Oberg wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >You have the baptismal date and that is probably all you wlll ever have >since that came from "BEFORE GERMANNA" and they are the only old church >records from back then that the authors got ...to my knowledge. Since that >is all we have to rely on...I would use that or "before" that date for >birth. Yes, my house my house just keeps getting dustier and I am getting >nothing else done but this is fun and THANK YOU, GEORGE! > >On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > >> I have a date of birth for Anna Maria of May 5, 1687. I see in my notes >> that was the day of her baptism. Does anyone have any documentation stating >> that she was born and baptised on the same day -- as Hans Wendle Thoma's >> church record says. This preservation of records on the Germanna tree has >> been an excellent boost for me to verify all of my sources and dates. >> Hmmmmmmm let's see, I have about 25 done and I have 4220 desendants of >> Albrech -- I am 70 years old -- will I live another 20 years to finish -- >> and next year the 1940 census comes out so that will probably introduce >> another 100 or so people. I'll just keep plugging away. I have entered maps, >> land patents, events and sources -- still working on the first 3 generations >> but making head way. Thanks for the kick in the pants to get me off my duff >> and be productive here. Take care. Marilyn >> PS How is everyone else doing. I see lots of new info being entered. Anyone >> through. Let's see -- first one through should get a PRIZE. <smile> Just >> being through will be a prize >> >> >> >> >> >> TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Hi again Marilyn, I'm not certain but I think it was unusual for a child to be baptized on the day of birth. When I find a baptismal date, I just put the date of birth "before whatever date". Sarge At 9/4/2011 02:04 PM Sunday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I have a date of birth for Anna Maria of May 5, 1687. I see in my notes that was the day of her baptism. Does anyone have any documentation stating that she was born and baptised on the same day -- as Hans Wendle Thoma's church record says. This preservation of records on the Germanna tree has been an excellent boost for me to verify all of my sources and dates. Hmmmmmmm let's see, I have about 25 done and I have 4220 desendants of Albrech -- I am 70 years old -- will I live another 20 years to finish -- and next year the 1940 census comes out so that will probably introduce another 100 or so people. I'll just keep plugging away. I have entered maps, land patents, events and sources -- still working on the first 3 generations but making head way. Thanks for the kick in the pants to get me off my duff and be productive here. Take care. Marilyn >PS How is everyone else doing. I see lots of new info being entered. Anyone through. Let's see -- first one through should get a PRIZE. <smile> Just being through will be a prize > > > > > >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Marilyn, I think that somewhere when you post a picture to a database Ancestry indicates it is "open domain" or some such wording. Yes, it's good to request permission to add the picture to another database, but Ancestry does have that place to click for a picture which says something like "add to another database". I'm assuming that makes it "fair game". In answer to Sandy's question, I think once a picture is posted to a person in an Ancestry database, it becomes "fair game" for others to use in their trees. As far as posting on FaceBook, I don't know about copywrite. Personally, I don't see a problem with this since I assume that anything I post to a database is available for anyone else to use. If anyone wants to retain copywrite ownership of a picture, he/she shouldn't post it on the Internet. Just my opinion. Sarge At 9/4/2011 11:09 AM Sunday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I have been requesting the use of pictures from other trees and so far -- everyone has basically said to just enjoy them. Theoretically, they are in the public domain but I always feel better obtaining permission. Besides, I always hope to make a new connection. Take care. Marilyn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandra Cowan <sacowan@gmail.com> >To: Germanna_Colonies <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com>; germans-va <germans-va@rootsweb.com>; GeorgeWDurman <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> >Sent: Sun, Sep 4, 2011 7:39 am >Subject: [GERMANNA] An ethical question > > >I have been adding to Horace S Garr's family. > >I posted pictures of my husband's Garr Family on my facebook page and they >were used in other Family Trees. I do not mind and credit is not important >because after all I do have the original in my file. Is this an okay >practice because there are a few pictures I would like to add to the >Germanna Colonies? A request will be sent to the owner of the other tree >but I want to know how people feel about this practice. I do not want to >offend the other owner by even requesting. > >Thanks >Sandy > >-- >Sandy and Dave Cowan >HC 68 Box 117 Friars Hill Rd >Friars Hill WV 24938 >304-497-3553 >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Suzee Oberg wrote: > You have the baptismal date and that is probably all you wlll ever have > since that came from "BEFORE GERMANNA" and they are the only old church > records from back then that the authors got ...to my knowledge. Since that > is all we have to rely on...I would use that or "before" that date for > birth. Yes, my house my house just keeps getting dustier and I am getting > nothing else done but this is fun and THANK YOU, GEORGE! Suzee, I am sure that the church record exists. I would suggest someone of that line go to their nearby Family History Center and order the film of the pertinent church record. Only the baptismal date may be given in the church book, but then one can by basically assured that that is the date of birth also. Sometimes, I read back and forth numerous baptisms to determine just what the custom was of that particular pastor or priest. Then, on the other hand sometimes, I just couldn't determine what was what. Other times, I found I had just noted the date and not read the entire record. It is not difficult to interpret what is going on if you have some good guides to reading German church records. One misses so much be just extracting a date of birth or baptism and not getting the record translated. One can sometimes discover the custom by looking for other births/baptisms in the same family. I have all the films pertaining to my villages on permanent file at the local FHS. As I am not into German research at this time, I may be rusty on reading the records. Cary