However, There was an actual extraction process taking place for quite sometime. A person would extract all the marriage records for a period of time for a particular parish. Another would do the same for births. Sometimes it was just females. Other times just males. One way to determine if such is true, search by the parish. These are quite reliable, but one should always get the microfilm and verify the data. I found spouses and other children that way. Occasionally, I would find a bit of difference. but usually right on the button or, even I had done an incorrect interpretation of the data. But that was due to the fact I had studied the family in depth. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] US and International Marriage records > I wanted to point out to everyone using the International marriage records from ancestry that these dates were just extracted from family group sheets and pedigrees in many cases so please BEWARE. > > Here is the info on this source. > > > > Source Information > Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.Original data: This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, queries. > > > > > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I posted photographs of Henry Aylor's will to his page (Georg Heinrich Ohler) - (they are not photocopies). I took them 10 years ago, when digital files were small, so hopefully it can be read. I have not done a transcript. Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book #2 p. 87-88. Terrie Reichling

Warning: Using the ancestryl.com site for the germanna database will eat up mountains of your bandwidth time if you are on an aircard such as ATT......I will am virtually wiped out of remaining six days plan. Doesn't matter when or if I pay next months bill: a monthly plan is a monthly plan. Period. If I go over the it starts adding up past my monthly bill. I have 5 GB/month (that's a threshold I have never come close to) -I'd have to be downloading tons of movies (rating up to your imagination) to even get close to that. How do I know this? Simple. Never saw such usage charges on a daily basis until I started editing the Master Data Base.....it surged like a hurricane tidal wave all the way up the Rappahannock River. Hard lesson learned, Craig

Found a copy on another tree of the will of Adam Fisher so added it to the Germanna Tree. It needs the book and page number for reference added if anyone has that info. Take care.Marilyn

I am trying to tie down a date of death for Anna Margaret Thomas Aylor -- old entry on the master tree has about 1800. I have a note in my file that she was named in the will of her husband Henry Aylor Sr's will was written 21 Apr 1805 and proved 28 Aug 1806, according to Madison Co WB #2 pg 87. Was she listed in this will -- I do not have a copy nor an abstract? If anyone has a copy, could you please confirm the book and page and then abstract it for me. Thanks bunches. Take care. Marilyn

I have added quite a few sources for the children of John Thomas and his first wife, Mary to document parentage for these children and their spouses and to document what I have for estimations for births, deaths and marriages. (I have already done Albrecht, Johannes and his children but need to confirm that they are FINISHED) This would be Mary Barbara Thomas and Jacob Blankenbaker Mary Thomas and Joseph Holtzclaw Elizabeth Thomas and John Railsback Susannah Thomas and Jacob Holtzclaw Michael Thomas and Barbara. I am going to write some type of story for Johannes detailing the family relationships proven by DNA testing but that is for another day PLEASE if you have ANY info on these 5 couples would you check our notes to see if any dates can be narrowed down a little ot if you have any notes that would add sources. I am NOT going to edit the Railsback, Blankenbaker, Holtzclaw lines -- only Michael and John Thomas. Take care all, Marilyn

Where do you find this list, I've looked around and I can't find it. Mary Pat Lowe wrote: > I looked down the list of editors > >on the right hand column. -- Mary W. Ellis Registrar Battle of Alamance DAR http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncacgs/ http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncalaman/ (Brick Church site)

I have added the will of Nicholas Blankenbaker to the page for Jacob Blankenbaker -- husband of Mary Barbara Thomas. I am not messing with the estimated dates for the Blankenbaker and Holtzclaw guys who married the Thomas girls since I figure someone from those lines has more info. So if that is the case, would you send me something to base these dates on or just enter the source on the master page. I am using a lot of BEFORE or AFTER dates which only shows up as the date (with no before or after) so just trying to put an explanatory note on the source event. Take care. Marilyn

Need book and page # (and wording) if anyone has it for a deed in 1763 identifying Anna Barbara as the wife of Jacob. Want to use this as one of the source citations for their marriage along with the gift deed from her father -- on the master page. WOO HOO., I am down to the grandchildren of Johannes and Anna Maria Blankenbaker Thomas. Take care, Marilyn

There are some questions in the patent cited by Evelyn Wallace which I will give after the citation. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: > While consulting with my favorite group of Virginia records--the eight volumes > of Cavaliers and Pioneers, I stumbled on these land patents: > > Virginia Land Patent Book No 17 > > Peter Weaver, 400 acs., Orange Co., in the great Fork of Rappahannock "Riv.; up > the Deep Run; adj. Frederick Pamgarner, John Michel Stolts & George Moyer; 20 > Jul 1736, p. 125.  For the Imp. of 6 pers:  Peter Weaver, Michael Wilhite, John > Wilhite, Tobias Wilhite, Mathias Kerckler & Conrade Amberger as also for 10 > Shill. > Who was Mathias Kerckler? Note that Peter Weaver's headright had already been used by Alexander Spotswood. The patent described is in the area of Brightwood. As one goes south on highway 29, the land is on the right at Brightwood. John Blankenbaker

Comments of the following are given below. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:55 PM, <Houseno@aol.com> wrote: > One of my lines comes through Peter Broyles, son of Hans Jacob and Mary > Catherine Fleishman Broyles.  I have Peter as being married to Elizabeth > Blankenbaker, d/o Z. Blankenbaker and Elizabeth Alcey Finks.  Does anyone  have > information on this line? > Elizabeth who married Peter Broyles was not the daughter of Zachary Blankenbaker. She was the daughter of Zacharary's wife by an earlier marriage. One book suggested (not an authentic source) that she MAY have been a Finks. If she were, he would probably have been a brother of the first Mark Finks. Zachary's will notes that Elizabeth was a daughter of his wife. Though this does not exclude her being the daughter of Zachary, it strongly suggests that her father was someone else. John Blankenbaker

Poking around, I found a college course syllabus on "Germany during the Reformation" http://www.boisestate.edu/courses/reformation/germany/index.shtml It is fairly short, informal, and readable, and explains a lot about politics, religion, and their interaction that created the conditions our German ancestors had been living in for the two centuries just before they came here. It also reminded me that the Kings of England during the great German migration here were German dukes and prince-electors whose first language was German. -- Lisa ==== Lisa deGruyter Clarksburg, West Virginia http://ldeg.wordpress.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, you are also correct. Using the LDS records is a good starting place where you can gather hints to follow in your research. Again I say, if Ancestry doesn't have a viewable picture of a file, then the data is merely assumed from some other source, usually the Yates Publishing Co., which extracts data from anywhere, usually from other posted data by users at various web sites. Sarge At 9/6/2011 07:21 PM Tuesday, Lisa deGruyter wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >The same applies to the LDS Familysearch IGI. But at least it is free, >and the hits that you get there which have church names shown are almost >always from the actual church record. You can click on the source to >see exactly where it came from. I take the ones that are not from >actual records with a more than a grain of salt. > >I have found the entries for the German church records tremendously >helpful in locating likely villages to order the microfilmed records. > >Lisa >==== >Lisa deGruyter >Clarksburg, West Virginia >http://ldeg.wordpress.com > > >On 9/6/2011 6:35 PM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: >> I wanted to point out to everyone using the International marriage records from ancestry that these dates were just extracted from family group sheets and pedigrees in many cases so please BEWARE. >> >> Here is the info on this source. >> >> >> >> Source Information >> Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.Original data: This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, queries. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ******** >> Hear Steve Hoffman of Madison County October 1, 2011 at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison, VA speak on What's in the Attic at Hebron Lutheran Church. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >******** >Hear Steve Hoffman of Madison County October 1, 2011 at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison, VA speak on What's in the Attic at Hebron Lutheran Church. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Marilyn, I agree with the "warning". The Yates Publishing Company is notorious for merely extracting data, mainly from the records of the LDS Church, without ANY verification of validity, and putting it on Ancestry.com as "verified fact". In case anyone ever wondered why, in a search at Ancestry, there were multiple entries for, say a marriage, with different information, the answer is that most of the "Marriage Records" at Ancestry come from Yates Publishing, and they have extracted multiple entries for the same event. The ONLY time you can be assured you are seeing valid marriage data is if Ancestry has a photocopy of the actual marriage records which you can view. Sarge At 9/6/2011 06:35 PM Tuesday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I wanted to point out to everyone using the International marriage records from ancestry that these dates were just extracted from family group sheets and pedigrees in many cases so please BEWARE. > >Here is the info on this source. > >Source Information > Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.Original data: This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, queries. **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

The German custom at the time the 1st and 2nd Colonies came to America was to give first names to the children that honored a Saint (their Vornamen). Thus, probably more often than not, all boys in the family had the same "first" name (Johann was preferred for boys) and all girls had the same "first" name (Anne was pre- ferred for girls). The "middle" name, as Cathy calls the "second" name, was, in German, called the "Rufname", that is the "calling name". At the time when our Germannan ancestors arrived here, they knew each other by their "Rufnames", or "second" names. But, in Colonial American records, their names were often entered as their "first" names. Sarge (P.S. Cathy, a German boy was NEVER given a "first" name of Johannes if he had a "middle" name. For some reason the ONLY time a boy was named Johannes was when he was not given a "second" name, or "Rufname".) At 9/6/2011 10:55 AM Tuesday, CYLGowdy@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >In a message dated 9/5/11 7:29:18 PM, debi07041016@yahoo.com writes: > >> Was it typical to use the same name for each of the children? >> >Let's put it this way -- it happened with some frequency. My LUTZ line had >examples where all the sons had a first name of Johannes. Of course, they >were called by their second names. > >There are plenty of families where the first names were all different, or a >mixture where two might share the same first name. > >And don't forget that often the names got reversed in the records -- ie, >you might have Ernest Otto, Ernest Hugo, Ernest Georg and Ernest Martin in the >baptismal records, but because they were called Otto, Hugo, etc., the >county reversed the order thinking it more correct, or the man in question simply >did it himself to make life a bit easier. > >Cathy >Marin Co., CA **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

I think that John Blankenbaker hit it on the head when he reported in his Germanna Note # 847: "Pure and simple, they wanted a better life for themselves and for their children. Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny found a quote in the Gemmingen death register which tells it all: (Their translation) "12 July 1717. The following listed parents, together with their children, expect to move away from here, wanting to take ship to Pennsylvania, and there in the hardship of the wilderness better their piece of bread than they could here. Not just from here, however, but many people are leaving other villages as well, with the same intention." If one had to choose just one word, I would say the word is "economic". We can embellish this with more, but this is the essence. By their hard work, they were hoping to create a better life with more good things, if not for themselves, at least for their children. For many of our Germanna people, the struggles began before the trip was hardly underway, but they persevered. The First Colony was deserted by their sponsor, and the Second Colony was shanghaied by the ship's Captain. Later people may have had their own misfortunes; we just are not aware of them. " (End of John's Note.) "Better their piece of bread!" That says it all. Sarge At 9/6/2011 08:43 AM Tuesday, Lisa deGruyter wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* (snipped) I think it is fair to say that most people came for the vast quantities of land available here, and for many of the Protestant sects, the idea (snipped) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: [1]http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: [2]http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html References 1. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna 2. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Ye Gads! Again! The program at Ancestry for administering the "shared" databases is so flaky I'm having many such problems. I see your UserName as "patlowe" and your Nickname as "ya_guys". This kind of error has cropped up ever since I started to share the Tree. I'll try to fix it. "ya_guys@yahoo.com" should belong to someone else. I'm going to remove your invite and then re-invite you again. Going to also have to remove the ya_guys@yahoo.com invite and re-invite that address, although THAT PERSON HAS ALREADY SUPPOSEDLY RESPONDED BUT THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS SHOWING AS "NO RESPONSE". So Pat, you'll receive another confirmation email from my email address. Just go through the steps again and redo the Guest Registration. Hope it works this time and puts in the correct Nickname. Sarge At 9/6/2011 10:40 PM Tuesday, you wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Hello Sarge, > >I just took a look at "our" Germanna Tree, I looked down the list of editors >on the right hand column...my email is patgenl@gmail.com so I was surprised >to see someone else's name attached to patgenl...Do you have any ideas of >what to do to fix this? > >Thanks, >Pat Lowe >Woodbury MN >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Evidently when I send an "invite" to the shared Germanna Tree at Ancestry, the computer program there mixes and mis-matches the Usernames and Nicknames. Heck, it even shows my Nickname for one of my alternate email addresses as the Nickname for someone else! So, in order to try to straighten this out and allow those who have been unable to log on to do so, I've removed several email addresses, Usernames, and Nicknames. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO LOG ON TO THE TREE AT ANCESTRY, LOOK IN YOUR MAIL BOX FOR A NEW "INVITE" AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. I'm sorry but I don't know what else to do to fix this mess. Don't worry, any data you've posted to the Tree will still be there. If you look at the list of people who have been invited, and see your Username and/or Nickname is incorrect, let me know and I'll fix it, I hope. If you have requested an "invite" but haven't seen a confirmation email, let me know and I'll try to fix that also. I still have almost 3 dozen "invites" that have not been responded to. So let me know if you didn't receive the confirmation email from me. With the exception of two people, all the invites that have had problems are either AOL users or YAHOO users, and those two people were using local "non-mainstream" servers for their email. Sarge My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

George, hat As we have discussed, I already an account set up on my computer, but it was through a local genealogical society. You successfully deleted that connection, but I have yet to receive an invite to me personally. Have you just given up on it, and is this a similar problem with others? In the meantime, I cannot do anything whatsoever with the database. I am not invited as a person, and you have deleted the library connect so I cannot access it from there either. Craig On Sep 7, 2011, at 12:42 AM, George W. Durman wrote: > Hello Harriet, > > The "invite" is an invitation to a Germana Colonies database I posted > at Ancestry.com. I agreed to "share" it with people whom I invited. > If I invite you, you will receive an email from Ancestry with my email > address in the From: header. You go down in the message and click to > log on and establish a Guest Account at Ancestry. As a Guest, and as > an "invitee" to the Germanna Tree, you can view the tree, make additions, > changes, etc., to the Tree.

Hello Harriet, The "invite" is an invitation to a Germana Colonies database I posted at Ancestry.com. I agreed to "share" it with people whom I invited. If I invite you, you will receive an email from Ancestry with my email address in the From: header. You go down in the message and click to log on and establish a Guest Account at Ancestry. As a Guest, and as an "invitee" to the Germanna Tree, you can view the tree, make additions, changes, etc., to the Tree. Now, I don't know to "which" database at Ancestry you refer. There are many databases there that contain data on the Germanna HOFFMAN/ HUFFMAN line. I don't know anything about your HOFFMAN line, so I can't comment on any incorrect data. In the database I posted, there are only two HOFFMAN men named Michael: Michael HUFFMAN/ HOFFMAN, married to Mary FLEISCHMANN/FLESHMAN; and Michael Lighter HUFFMAN, married to Mildred Elinor CLORE. The Michael married to Mary FLESHMAN is the only Michael in the database with descendants who I have as married. Michael and Mary had at least one daughter, Hannah, who married Jacob FISHBACK, according to the data I have. Without any details about the problem, it is impossible to know to what you refer. What would have helped was if you had given some information on your HOFFMAN line. Then we could look at it and see what is wrong, and in whose databases it is wrong. So, let us know the details and maybe we can straighten out what you see as a problem. If you would like an "invite" to the Germanna Tree at Ancestry, let me know. Also, let me know how familiar you are in editing/adding data in a database on the Internet. Sarge, George W. Durman At 9/6/2011 09:05 PM Tuesday, HMToothman@wmconnect.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I sure have missed what seems like very important info. I have no idea >what the "invite" is all about. Would you take the time to tell me? > Another topic, Ancestry has added info to my "Hoffman" family tree but it >is incorrect. I have no idea where they got the info and I sure don't know >how to correct it. They have my Hoffman faimy coming from a "Michael >Hoffman". I have never seen anything about a Michael on my family tree. I don't >add it to my family info when I copy it for friends and family. It really >made me mad that somehow it got attached to my family. >Harriet HOFFMAN Toothman </HTML> >TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html