Marilyn, I don't seen any specific marks for any of the Germanna Colonists, but I do have one for the SNAPP family over in the Shenandoah Valley. One of the SNAPP men came over the mountain and married one of the Germanna women, I forget which family right now. Many of the SNAPP descendants migrated from the Shenandoah Valley down to Washington and Greene Counties, TN, where they married into just about all of the Germanna families there. Anyway, when Anna Catherine HABER, wife of Lorentz SCHNEPP (SNAPP) died in 1725 there was a settlement of her estate. Johannes SCHNEPP (SNAPP), Sr. , (1695-1762), signed a note that he had received his share as her son, with a very distinct signature mark. It was a shepherd's crook through an "S" in an oversize "H". This same exact signature was used to sign the ship manifest of the Samuel in 1733 and on the will of John SNAPP, Sr., in Virginia in 1762. The SCHNEPP family were shepherds in Alsace-Lorraine (now Bas-Rhin, France). Sarge At 9/8/2011 08:35 AM Thursday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I have been scanning the marks made by the Thomas men from copies of the original land deeds when land was sold and got to wondering -- How many of the sons of the first settlers ( and the first settlers themselves) were able to make a specific mark for their signatures -- or even sign their names. If you have any samples of these marks or signatures -- you might want to think of posting a copy to the Germanna tree -- I have gotten quite a few comments about how special they are for descendants. In the Thomas line I have John/Hans and Michael and some of their sons. Take care, Marilyn > >**********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Terri, the photographs look great to me. Can read them plainly. Sarge At 9/7/2011 08:38 PM Wednesday, Terrie Reichling wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I posted photographs of Henry Aylor's will to his page (Georg Heinrich >Ohler) - (they are not photocopies). I took them 10 years ago, when digital >files were small, so hopefully it can be read. I have not done a transcript. >Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book #2 p. 87-88. > > > >Terrie Reichling > >******** >Hear Steve Hoffman of Madison County October 1, 2011 at Graves Mountain Lodge, Madison, VA speak on What's in the Attic at Hebron Lutheran Church. For more information: http://germannacolonies.org > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANS-VA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

It appears to be the same book with the information just formatted differently. Except Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film #1,192 078 Neuenbürg which appears to be the microfilm of the church records because of the FHL international film number. >From what I understand about Ortssippenbucher through discussion of the topic several years ago on the Ostfriesland list (the Ostfriesland area of NW Germany has had a number published), the authors spend many years studying the church records before compiling the information in the church records into family groups. Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Sources >I need some help > > Are these two the same sources > > > KarlDifenbacher and Klaus Rössler, Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim1648-1900 > und Neuenbürg 1785-1900, (Frankfurt am Main, Germany: Zentralstellfür > Personen- und Familiengeschiste, 1990), > > Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis > Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacherund Klaus Rössler > > And I THINK that this is a book of extractions from the actual records but > then I also have this reference which I am wondering if it is the actual > Church records > > Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film #1,192 078 Neuenbürg > > And then this looks like the same extraction with a reference to where it > can be researched. > > Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim-Neuenbürg, Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landkreis > Karlsruhe*", bearbeitet (editors) von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus > Rössler, (publication info) Deutsche Ortsippenbúcher, herausgegeben von > der Zentralstelle fúr Personen- und Familiengeschichte, Frankfurt am Main, > Reihe A- Band 203,..., Zugleich Band 72 der Badischen Ortsippenbúcher, > Lahr- Dinglingen > English title is Village genealogy book for Oberöwisheim 1648-1900 and > Neuenbürg 1785-1900. It is one in a series of volumes published by the > Zentralstelle for Family History in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. > The Family History Library has a copy and the call # is 943 B4do, ser. A, > v. 203. > > I feel sure that many of us - have these for references and would like for > to try to match my source info with that of everyone else using these > references. All help appreciated. Take care. Marilyn

Sorry, the 1728 road Pa. road petition. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Wisdom" <jdwisdom@cox.net> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Sebastian Dieter/Teter >I have a Teter history but it does not list any Sebastian being with the > George Teter family in Pa., Germanna or NC when several members of this > family married into the Johan Justus Henkel family. Johan Jusus Henkel > was > the son of Rev. Anthony Jacob Henkel. About 1760 some of these families > migrated back to Virginia, settling in what is now Pendleton Co., WV. > Could > you give us more details about the Sebastian you mentioned? A Teter DNA > study would be helpful. > > In the 1828 Pa. road petition, the list includes Gerhardt Henkel, the son > of > Rev. Anthony J. Henkel and Valentine Geiger, his son in law according to > this Teter history. > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Farinelli" <jill.farinelli@gmail.com> > To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:26 AM > Subject: [GERMANNA] Sebastian Dieter/Teter > > >> Does anyone know if a Sebastian Dieter/Teter was living among the >> Germanna >> folks (Robinson River valley) during the years 1739 to 1745? Is there any >> record? And was he Georg Teter's brother, or was he related to the Georg >> Dieter in Opequon? Sebastian Dieter and Georg Teter of Germanna seem to >> have >> different fathers (Mattaeus vs. Michael). Both men were from Schwaigern. >> I'm >> very anxious to solve this riddle. Thanks! >> >> Jill >> >> TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a Teter history but it does not list any Sebastian being with the George Teter family in Pa., Germanna or NC when several members of this family married into the Johan Justus Henkel family. Johan Jusus Henkel was the son of Rev. Anthony Jacob Henkel. About 1760 some of these families migrated back to Virginia, settling in what is now Pendleton Co., WV. Could you give us more details about the Sebastian you mentioned? A Teter DNA study would be helpful. In the 1828 Pa. road petition, the list includes Gerhardt Henkel, the son of Rev. Anthony J. Henkel and Valentine Geiger, his son in law according to this Teter history. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Farinelli" <jill.farinelli@gmail.com> To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Sebastian Dieter/Teter > Does anyone know if a Sebastian Dieter/Teter was living among the Germanna > folks (Robinson River valley) during the years 1739 to 1745? Is there any > record? And was he Georg Teter's brother, or was he related to the Georg > Dieter in Opequon? Sebastian Dieter and Georg Teter of Germanna seem to > have > different fathers (Mattaeus vs. Michael). Both men were from Schwaigern. > I'm > very anxious to solve this riddle. Thanks! > > Jill > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone have the citation for this birth and marriage? Eva Barbara Schöne b:November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg,Germany

And don't you just know how much I would love to get my hands on some DNA from that Jacob THOMAS line to prove or disprove an Albrecht Thoma connection. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> To: Germanna List German Colonists List <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; Germans-VA <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 10:34 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thomas Tree Maryilyn, The DNA testing will be very interesting. I have doubts about German origins of some of the Thomas people. It was Elizabeth (supposedly Russell, daughter of William Russell, but that has not been proved) who married Edmund Thomas (see Suzanne Matson Collin's write up about him) who married John Holtzclaw. She was apparently pregnant when her Thomas husband died, and she soon married John Holtzcloaw, son of Jacob-1, and named this baby boy Jacob Thomas, apparently in honor of Jacob-1 Holtzclaw, leader of the first colony. THEREFORE, it is not surprising that the offspring of this Jacob Thomas (and I do not know who they are) would have been raised in the German community of the first colony. The connections to the 2nd colony may arise from the intertwining of both groups (at times.). I am no expert in this area, but did want to throw it out as a research and discussion topic. Again, I think Suzanne Matson Collins probably has a much firmer grasp on these particulars. BUT...Edmund Thomas is probably NOT a German. The whole Russell issue is another story, but there is NO evidence that Elizabeth (-----) Thomas was a daughter of William Russell. B. C Holtzclaw never provided any evidence, and in working on the sources Holtzclaw DID provide, there were many deeds of GIFT to his children, but the only deed involing John Holtzclaw was a SALE, not a GIFT. Craig Kilby Lancaster, VA On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: > I have added quite a few sources for the children of John Thomas and his first wife, Mary to document parentage for these children and their spouses and to document what I have for estimations for births, deaths and marriages. (I have already done Albrecht, Johannes and his children but need to confirm that they are FINISHED) > This would be > Mary Barbara Thomas and Jacob Blankenbaker > Mary Thomas and Joseph Holtzclaw > Elizabeth Thomas and John Railsback > Susannah Thomas and Jacob Holtzclaw > Michael Thomas and Barbara. > > I am going to write some type of story for Johannes detailing the family relationships proven by DNA testing but that is for another day > > PLEASE if you have ANY info on these 5 couples would you check our notes to see if any dates can be narrowed down a little ot if you have any notes that would add sources. > > > I am NOT going to edit the Railsback, Blankenbaker, Holtzclaw lines -- only Michael and John Thomas. > > Take care all, Marilyn > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maryilyn, The DNA testing will be very interesting. I have doubts about German origins of some of the Thomas people. It was Elizabeth (supposedly Russell, daughter of William Russell, but that has not been proved) who married Edmund Thomas (see Suzanne Matson Collin's write up about him) who married John Holtzclaw. She was apparently pregnant when her Thomas husband died, and she soon married John Holtzcloaw, son of Jacob-1, and named this baby boy Jacob Thomas, apparently in honor of Jacob-1 Holtzclaw, leader of the first colony. THEREFORE, it is not surprising that the offspring of this Jacob Thomas (and I do not know who they are) would have been raised in the German community of the first colony. The connections to the 2nd colony may arise from the intertwining of both groups (at times.). I am no expert in this area, but did want to throw it out as a research and discussion topic. Again, I think Suzanne Matson Collins probably has a much firmer grasp on these particulars. BUT...Edmund Thomas is probably NOT a German. The whole Russell issue is another story, but there is NO evidence that Elizabeth (-----) Thomas was a daughter of William Russell. B. C Holtzclaw never provided any evidence, and in working on the sources Holtzclaw DID provide, there were many deeds of GIFT to his children, but the only deed involing John Holtzclaw was a SALE, not a GIFT. Craig Kilby Lancaster, VA On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: > I have added quite a few sources for the children of John Thomas and his first wife, Mary to document parentage for these children and their spouses and to document what I have for estimations for births, deaths and marriages. (I have already done Albrecht, Johannes and his children but need to confirm that they are FINISHED) > This would be > Mary Barbara Thomas and Jacob Blankenbaker > Mary Thomas and Joseph Holtzclaw > Elizabeth Thomas and John Railsback > Susannah Thomas and Jacob Holtzclaw > Michael Thomas and Barbara. > > I am going to write some type of story for Johannes detailing the family relationships proven by DNA testing but that is for another day > > PLEASE if you have ANY info on these 5 couples would you check our notes to see if any dates can be narrowed down a little ot if you have any notes that would add sources. > > > I am NOT going to edit the Railsback, Blankenbaker, Holtzclaw lines -- only Michael and John Thomas. > > Take care all, Marilyn > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was checking on the birth of Elizabeth Kaiffer to see if there was a source for her birth in 1723 -- to use as a GUESSTIMATION-- for the death of Johannes Thomas and remarriage of his widow. On the master page, she is listed as born in Germany. If she is the daughter of Anna Magdalena Blankenbaker Thomas, a birth in Germany is not possible. Is there anyone on these lists who can edit and correct this information. I don't want to mess with the lines other than Thomas because I don't have enough info to be comfortable with changing facts. Take care. Marilyn

Marilyn, now I remembered an actual connection between Walk and Erckenbrecht: Hans Erckenbrecht was the godfather to one of Walk's children in Flinsbach: Children of BARTHOLOMAEUS WALCK and ANNA MANHARDT are: 3. i. JOHANN GEORG3 WALCK, b. March 25, 1666, Flinsbach, Baden, Germany. ii. HANS ADAM WALCK, b. February 28, 1667/68, Flinsbach, Baden, Germany; d. 1692, Flinsbach, Baden, Germany; m. BARBARA SCHMELZ, 1688, Flinsbach, Baden, Germany; d. 1689, Flinsbach, Baden, Germany. Notes for HANS ADAM WALCK: 1668, 28 Febr. nachts zwischen 8 und 9 Uhren geboren den 1 Marty also Dom. Latare getauft Hannss Adam Bartholomaeus Walck, Buerger allhier , u. Anna Catharina, coniux Hanns Erchenbrecht, Buerger allhier Translation: 1668, the 28 February, at night between 8 and 9 o'clock was born and baptized the 1st of March, i.e. Dominica Latare Child: Hannss Adam Parents: Bartholomaeus Walck, citizen here, and Anna Catharina, his wife Godparent: Hanns Erckenbrecht, local citizen -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:08 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] My other German names Elke, thank you for all of the wonderful info. Adam is a popular name in this family so they must connect in some manner. Hans Martin is my line. He came to Rockingham Co., VA from PA and then my line ended up in Clark Co., OH where many descendants still live. Here is his family line 18th Century Immigrants from German speaking lands to North America Volume. 1 The Northern Kraichgau by Annette Burgette The Immigrants Hans George ERCHENBRECHT son of the late Hans Adam ERCHENBRECHT of Daudenzelle and Ursula, daughter of David METZGER, of Steinfrut. Ship MARY 1732. Age 45 Sinshein Lutheran K.B. Hans George ERCHENBRECHT born April 18, 1709 confirmed 1723 Anna Katherina ERCHENBRECHT born July 16, 1712 Catherina ERCHENBRECHT born August 14, 1713 Maria Catherina ERCHENBRECHT born November 11, 1715 Maria Elizabeth ERCHENBRECHT born July 17, 1717 *** John Martin ERCHENBRECHT born November 13, 1719 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) Thank you for these wonderful notes. I am forwarding them to my fellow Argabright researchers. By the way, the Argabrights in Rockingham Co., VA attended Friedan's Church and Peaked Mountain Church -- Were there any Germanna people who followed that route. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Elke Hall <elkehall@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 7:53 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] My other German names Marilyn, I am sure you already know that, but just in case: There were some Erkenbrechts in Flinsbach / Kraichgau early on: Johannes Erkenbrecht died in Flinsbach in 1690, with children Susanna Catharina and Johannes. He had died in 1669 in Flinsbach. A Johannes had married Catharina Arras in Flinsbach in 1654. Don't know for sure if he is the same as above. He was the son of Adam Erkenbrecht. Adam died in 1656, was married in 1625 to Margaretha Weiler. I remember seeing the Erkenbrechts in SW Virginia, PA and in NC. Marriage records of Pastor Stoever: 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) 1737 02 22 Ergebrecht, Maria Catar (Warwick) Baumann, George Stephan 1736 03 21 Ergebrecht Anna Catarina (Warwick) Koch, George Michael Baptismal records of Pastor Stoever: ERGEBRECHT, JOHN GEORGE (Lebanon) Ergebrecht, Catarina, b 03 261733; bap 09 17 1733, Spon. Anna Catarina Mast. Ergebrecht, Anna Elisabetha, b 02 20 1735; bap 04 27 1735, Spon. Jacob Mast & his wife. Elke Hall -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:46 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] My other German names Thought I would post my other German/Swiss names to see if any one connects to them -- all PA to VA 1700s Erchenbrecht/Argabright Oberbeck/Overpack/Overpeck Heckman Snauffer and my husbands Baysinger/Basinger Sumi/Summy Anyone see a familiar name? Take care. Marilyn TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, as you may know, we (Cary Anderson and I) are still trying to prove that the Hans Martin Walk from Flinsbach / Wagenbach is one and same as the Hans Martin Walk who married Catherine Clore. We know that he arrived on the James Goodwill with Pastor Stoever on 11 September 1728 and came to Virginia ca. 1734. We have not yet found the place where he may have stayed (in Pennsylvania) during the years 1728-1734. That's why I am looking at families who came during the same time and where they went. What's interesting is that a Hans Michel Walck also arrived on the "Mary" on 26 Sept. 1732. Seems like he stayed in Pennsylvania, York County, Pennsylvania, Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church). Cary and I need to check the Sinsheim church records in more detail. Good project for fall and winter! Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:08 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] My other German names Elke, thank you for all of the wonderful info. Adam is a popular name in this family so they must connect in some manner. Hans Martin is my line. He came to Rockingham Co., VA from PA and then my line ended up in Clark Co., OH where many descendants still live. Here is his family line 18th Century Immigrants from German speaking lands to North America Volume. 1 The Northern Kraichgau by Annette Burgette The Immigrants Hans George ERCHENBRECHT son of the late Hans Adam ERCHENBRECHT of Daudenzelle and Ursula, daughter of David METZGER, of Steinfrut. Ship MARY 1732. Age 45 Sinshein Lutheran K.B. Hans George ERCHENBRECHT born April 18, 1709 confirmed 1723 Anna Katherina ERCHENBRECHT born July 16, 1712 Catherina ERCHENBRECHT born August 14, 1713 Maria Catherina ERCHENBRECHT born November 11, 1715 Maria Elizabeth ERCHENBRECHT born July 17, 1717 *** John Martin ERCHENBRECHT born November 13, 1719 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) Thank you for these wonderful notes. I am forwarding them to my fellow Argabright researchers. By the way, the Argabrights in Rockingham Co., VA attended Friedan's Church and Peaked Mountain Church -- Were there any Germanna people who followed that route. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Elke Hall <elkehall@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 7:53 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] My other German names Marilyn, I am sure you already know that, but just in case: There were some Erkenbrechts in Flinsbach / Kraichgau early on: Johannes Erkenbrecht died in Flinsbach in 1690, with children Susanna Catharina and Johannes. He had died in 1669 in Flinsbach. A Johannes had married Catharina Arras in Flinsbach in 1654. Don't know for sure if he is the same as above. He was the son of Adam Erkenbrecht. Adam died in 1656, was married in 1625 to Margaretha Weiler. I remember seeing the Erkenbrechts in SW Virginia, PA and in NC. Marriage records of Pastor Stoever: 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) 1737 02 22 Ergebrecht, Maria Catar (Warwick) Baumann, George Stephan 1736 03 21 Ergebrecht Anna Catarina (Warwick) Koch, George Michael Baptismal records of Pastor Stoever: ERGEBRECHT, JOHN GEORGE (Lebanon) Ergebrecht, Catarina, b 03 261733; bap 09 17 1733, Spon. Anna Catarina Mast. Ergebrecht, Anna Elisabetha, b 02 20 1735; bap 04 27 1735, Spon. Jacob Mast & his wife. Elke Hall -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:46 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] My other German names Thought I would post my other German/Swiss names to see if any one connects to them -- all PA to VA 1700s Erchenbrecht/Argabright Oberbeck/Overpack/Overpeck Heckman Snauffer and my husbands Baysinger/Basinger Sumi/Summy Anyone see a familiar name? Take care. Marilyn TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't have a birthdate for Elizabeth Kaifer. Her husband, John Adam Garr, was born 24 November or December 1711 (Garr Genealogy, 61 date 24 Nov 1711, 62 date 24 Dec 1711) although that doesn't really mean anything. However they were married, according to "Second Germanna Colony of 1717," The Germanna Record #6, (June 1965): 28, before 5 February 1741. I don't have the book handy to check the reasoning behind this date. If she were, say at least 15, her birthdate was probably 1725 or earlier. Elizabeth's sister Dorothy Kaifer was probably born by 1730 as her first child (Michael "Big Mike" Clore) was born 4 December 1746. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: [GERMANNA] Kaifer tree on the master page >I was checking on the birth of Elizabeth Kaiffer to see if there was a >source for her birth in 1723 -- to use as a GUESSTIMATION-- for the death >of Johannes Thomas and remarriage of his widow. On the master page, she is >listed as born in Germany. If she is the daughter of Anna Magdalena >Blankenbaker Thomas, a birth in Germany is not possible. Is there anyone >on these lists who can edit and correct this information. I don't want to >mess with the lines other than Thomas because I don't have enough info to >be comfortable with changing facts. Take care. Marilyn > > > > > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elke, thank you for all of the wonderful info. Adam is a popular name in this family so they must connect in some manner. Hans Martin is my line. He came to Rockingham Co., VA from PA and then my line ended up in Clark Co., OH where many descendants still live. Here is his family line 18th Century Immigrants from German speaking lands to North America Volume. 1 The Northern Kraichgau by Annette Burgette The Immigrants Hans George ERCHENBRECHT son of the late Hans Adam ERCHENBRECHT of Daudenzelle and Ursula, daughter of David METZGER, of Steinfrut. Ship MARY 1732. Age 45 Sinshein Lutheran K.B. Hans George ERCHENBRECHT born April 18, 1709 confirmed 1723 Anna Katherina ERCHENBRECHT born July 16, 1712 Catherina ERCHENBRECHT born August 14, 1713 Maria Catherina ERCHENBRECHT born November 11, 1715 Maria Elizabeth ERCHENBRECHT born July 17, 1717 *** John Martin ERCHENBRECHT born November 13, 1719 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) Thank you for these wonderful notes. I am forwarding them to my fellow Argabright researchers. By the way, the Argabrights in Rockingham Co., VA attended Friedan's Church and Peaked Mountain Church -- Were there any Germanna people who followed that route. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Elke Hall <elkehall@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 7:53 am Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] My other German names Marilyn, I am sure you already know that, but just in case: There were some Erkenbrechts in Flinsbach / Kraichgau early on: Johannes Erkenbrecht died in Flinsbach in 1690, with children Susanna Catharina and Johannes. He had died in 1669 in Flinsbach. A Johannes had married Catharina Arras in Flinsbach in 1654. Don't know for sure if he is the same as above. He was the son of Adam Erkenbrecht. Adam died in 1656, was married in 1625 to Margaretha Weiler. I remember seeing the Erkenbrechts in SW Virginia, PA and in NC. Marriage records of Pastor Stoever: 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) 1737 02 22 Ergebrecht, Maria Catar (Warwick) Baumann, George Stephan 1736 03 21 Ergebrecht Anna Catarina (Warwick) Koch, George Michael Baptismal records of Pastor Stoever: ERGEBRECHT, JOHN GEORGE (Lebanon) Ergebrecht, Catarina, b 03 261733; bap 09 17 1733, Spon. Anna Catarina Mast. Ergebrecht, Anna Elisabetha, b 02 20 1735; bap 04 27 1735, Spon. Jacob Mast & his wife. Elke Hall -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:46 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] My other German names Thought I would post my other German/Swiss names to see if any one connects to them -- all PA to VA 1700s Erchenbrecht/Argabright Oberbeck/Overpack/Overpeck Heckman Snauffer and my husbands Baysinger/Basinger Sumi/Summy Anyone see a familiar name? Take care. Marilyn TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, I am sure you already know that, but just in case: There were some Erkenbrechts in Flinsbach / Kraichgau early on: Johannes Erkenbrecht died in Flinsbach in 1690, with children Susanna Catharina and Johannes. He had died in 1669 in Flinsbach. A Johannes had married Catharina Arras in Flinsbach in 1654. Don't know for sure if he is the same as above. He was the son of Adam Erkenbrecht. Adam died in 1656, was married in 1625 to Margaretha Weiler. I remember seeing the Erkenbrechts in SW Virginia, PA and in NC. Marriage records of Pastor Stoever: 1751 02 19 Ergebrecbt, Hanzs Martin (Lebanon) Forr, Susanna (Lebanon) 1737 02 22 Ergebrecht, Maria Catar (Warwick) Baumann, George Stephan 1736 03 21 Ergebrecht Anna Catarina (Warwick) Koch, George Michael Baptismal records of Pastor Stoever: ERGEBRECHT, JOHN GEORGE (Lebanon) Ergebrecht, Catarina, b 03 261733; bap 09 17 1733, Spon. Anna Catarina Mast. Ergebrecht, Anna Elisabetha, b 02 20 1735; bap 04 27 1735, Spon. Jacob Mast & his wife. Elke Hall -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:46 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] My other German names Thought I would post my other German/Swiss names to see if any one connects to them -- all PA to VA 1700s Erchenbrecht/Argabright Oberbeck/Overpack/Overpeck Heckman Snauffer and my husbands Baysinger/Basinger Sumi/Summy Anyone see a familiar name? Take care. Marilyn TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone using DNA as a source for relationships in the Germanna tree. I am going to add the following note today to the page for Johannes Thomas and then use DNA as a source for parentage on the specific sublines who have been tested. "Y-DNA tested from direct male lines of John Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY confirms that these two were the brothers, Hans/John and Michael Thomas of Culpeper Co., VA., sons of Johannes and Anna Maria Blankenbaker Thoma" Do you think any more info is needed or should this cover it. The most obvious difference between this Thomas line and the others is the haplogroup -- E1b1b1c1a -- the only Thomas men tested who belong to this haplogroup -- and we have 11 lines tested from desecendants of these two men -- still have miles to go but definitely well into our journey. Take care. Marilyn

Thought I would post my other German/Swiss names to see if any one connects to them -- all PA to VA 1700s Erchenbrecht/Argabright Oberbeck/Overpack/Overpeck Heckman Snauffer and my husbands Baysinger/Basinger Sumi/Summy Anyone see a familiar name? Take care. Marilyn

I have been scanning the marks made by the Thomas men from copies of the original land deeds when land was sold and got to wondering -- How many of the sons of the first settlers ( and the first settlers themselves) were able to make a specific mark for their signatures -- or even sign their names. If you have any samples of these marks or signatures -- you might want to think of posting a copy to the Germanna tree -- I have gotten quite a few comments about how special they are for descendants. In the Thomas line I have John/Hans and Michael and some of their sons. Take care, Marilyn

Does anyone know if a Sebastian Dieter/Teter was living among the Germanna folks (Robinson River valley) during the years 1739 to 1745? Is there any record? And was he Georg Teter's brother, or was he related to the Georg Dieter in Opequon? Sebastian Dieter and Georg Teter of Germanna seem to have different fathers (Mattaeus vs. Michael). Both men were from Schwaigern. I'm very anxious to solve this riddle. Thanks! Jill

I guess Hans Wendle Thomas was called Wendel until his father died -- or at least in Germany- and this explains why his father was only recorded as Johannes. He would have been much easier to separate from all those English John Thomas guys if he had kept the Wendel. <sigh> Take care. Thanks for the explanation. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [GERMANS-VA] German Naming Conventions It was explained to me on one of the Germanna tours, by an recognized expert German genealogist that if the family was going to call the child Johannes [John in English] then there was no need to add Johann [also John in English]in front of Johannes as a first or baptismal name. I have seen this with females have only one name if it is the name of the saint's. Then you get the bad news when only the saint's name is listed by an occasional priests or pastor. This was in the early days of church records--1500s. But, church record keeping varied from village to village and time to time. In case of epidemics, little is noted in the records except minimal information. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: <germans-va@rootsweb.com>; <debi07041016@yahoo.com>; <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [GERMANS-VA] German Naming Conventions > > The German custom at the time the 1st and 2nd Colonies came to > America was to give first names to the children that honored a > Saint (their Vornamen). Thus, probably more often than not, all > boys in the family had the same "first" name (Johann was preferred > for boys) and all girls had the same "first" name (Anne was pre- > ferred for girls). The "middle" name, as Cathy calls the "second" > name, was, in German, called the "Rufname", that is the "calling name". > At the time when our Germannan ancestors arrived here, they knew > each other by their "Rufnames", or "second" names. But, in > Colonial American records, their names were often entered as their > "first" names. > > Sarge > (P.S. Cathy, a German boy was NEVER given a "first" name of > Johannes if he had a "middle" name. For some reason the ONLY > time a boy was named Johannes was when he was not given a > "second" name, or "Rufname".) > > At 9/6/2011 10:55 AM Tuesday, CYLGowdy@aol.com wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > >In a message dated 9/5/11 7:29:18 PM, debi07041016@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> Was it typical to use the same name for each of the children? > >> > >Let's put it this way -- it happened with some frequency. My LUTZ line had > >examples where all the sons had a first name of Johannes. Of course, they > >were called by their second names. > > > >There are plenty of families where the first names were all different, or a > >mixture where two might share the same first name. > > > >And don't forget that often the names got reversed in the records -- ie, > >you might have Ernest Otto, Ernest Hugo, Ernest Georg and Ernest Martin in the > >baptismal records, but because they were called Otto, Hugo, etc., the > >county reversed the order thinking it more correct, or the man in question simply > >did it himself to make life a bit easier. > > > >Cathy > >Marin Co., CA > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna > > My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was explained to me on one of the Germanna tours, by an recognized expert German genealogist that if the family was going to call the child Johannes [John in English] then there was no need to add Johann [also John in English]in front of Johannes as a first or baptismal name. I have seen this with females have only one name if it is the name of the saint's. Then you get the bad news when only the saint's name is listed by an occasional priests or pastor. This was in the early days of church records--1500s. But, church record keeping varied from village to village and time to time. In case of epidemics, little is noted in the records except minimal information. Cary ----- Original Message ----- From: "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: <germans-va@rootsweb.com>; <debi07041016@yahoo.com>; <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [GERMANS-VA] German Naming Conventions > > The German custom at the time the 1st and 2nd Colonies came to > America was to give first names to the children that honored a > Saint (their Vornamen). Thus, probably more often than not, all > boys in the family had the same "first" name (Johann was preferred > for boys) and all girls had the same "first" name (Anne was pre- > ferred for girls). The "middle" name, as Cathy calls the "second" > name, was, in German, called the "Rufname", that is the "calling name". > At the time when our Germannan ancestors arrived here, they knew > each other by their "Rufnames", or "second" names. But, in > Colonial American records, their names were often entered as their > "first" names. > > Sarge > (P.S. Cathy, a German boy was NEVER given a "first" name of > Johannes if he had a "middle" name. For some reason the ONLY > time a boy was named Johannes was when he was not given a > "second" name, or "Rufname".) > > At 9/6/2011 10:55 AM Tuesday, CYLGowdy@aol.com wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > >In a message dated 9/5/11 7:29:18 PM, debi07041016@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> Was it typical to use the same name for each of the children? > >> > >Let's put it this way -- it happened with some frequency. My LUTZ line had > >examples where all the sons had a first name of Johannes. Of course, they > >were called by their second names. > > > >There are plenty of families where the first names were all different, or a > >mixture where two might share the same first name. > > > >And don't forget that often the names got reversed in the records -- ie, > >you might have Ernest Otto, Ernest Hugo, Ernest Georg and Ernest Martin in the > >baptismal records, but because they were called Otto, Hugo, etc., the > >county reversed the order thinking it more correct, or the man in question simply > >did it himself to make life a bit easier. > > > >Cathy > >Marin Co., CA > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna > > My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message