One thing that I have learned is to search for a source that may have already been entered for the fact that you are using before entering a new one. That way it keeps a smaller source list to navigate. I have been entering my sources by county rather than what type of records they are. e.g. I use Culpeper Co., VA Deed Book rather than Deed Book Culpeper Co., VA. Just my personal choice. It is good to be as consistent as possible. TAke care. Marilyn George - Could you add a page to your website that includes tips you are learning about editing the tree? Offering some guidelines would be a very helpful resource. Marc

Please add E1b1b1c1a to the data and when the test was taken. I have cc'd Corlee Morris, who coordinates the Germanna DNA Project, to ask if she has other suggestions for what to include. On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:32 AM, gneolog@aol.com wrote: Is anyone using DNA as a source for relationships in the Germanna tree. I am going to add the following note today to the page for Johannes Thomas and then use DNA as a source for parentage on the specific sublines who have been tested. "Y-DNA tested from direct male lines of John Thomas of Guilford Co., NC and Michael Thomas of Fayette Co., KY confirms that these two were the brothers, Hans/John and Michael Thomas of Culpeper Co., VA., sons of Johannes and Anna Maria Blankenbaker Thoma" Do you think any more info is needed or should this cover it. The most obvious difference between this Thomas line and the others is the haplogroup -- E1b1b1c1a -- the only Thomas men tested who belong to this haplogroup -- and we have 11 lines tested from desecendants of these two men -- still have miles to go but definitely well into our journey. Take care. Marilyn TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George - Could you add a page to your website that includes tips you are learning about editing the tree? Offering some guidelines would be a very helpful resource. Marc On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:47 PM, "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> wrote: Someone warned me when I announced the Tree at Ancestry that I was opening up a can of worms. I disagreed, saying that Germanna descendants could not possibly make mistakes. (GRIN) Well, I have been proven wrong. I've discovered mistakes where people just clicked the wrong place. In all those cases I know of, the "Editor" emailed me, or left a comment for the person involved, and I corrected those errors. Now, what really ticks me off is when "Editors" go in and haphazardly change data I had entered in the original database. I AM NOT so proud of ownership that nothing can be changed, or so sure of myself to think there are no mistakes in the database. But, when I have included source documentation for events, such as marriages, and someone ignores the sources and inputs his/her data, changes spouses' names, dates, etc., I'm upset. Most of the problems have occurred when someone was working on a person where there were multiple people with the exact name. Folks, MAKE SURE YOU ARE EDITING THE CORRECT PERSON!!!!! MAKE SURE WHEN YOU ADD A SPOUSE, CHILD, ETC., THAT THE PERSON IS NOT ALREADY IN THE DATABASE. If you want to add a spouse or child, you are given the choice to add a new person, or one already existing in the Tree. Look before you leap! At least one of you combined two men with the same name, gave the wives of both husbands to the newly created combined person. LOOK AT DATES, LOOK AT PLACES, LOOK AT SOURCE DOCUMENTS IF THEY ARE GIVEN, LOOK AT PARENTS, LOOK AT THE BIRTH DATES OF PARENTS TO SEE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO GIVE THEM THE CHILDREN YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM. If you have a wife born 1769, don't give her children born 8-12 years after she was born. Just not possible. WARNING: If I see repeated bad editing from someone, I WILL take that person of "Edit" status, but he/she will still be able to "Contribute", just not change anything already in the Tree. If that person continues to add bad data, I will place that person on "View" status only. No adding, no editing. If you are as confused as I was when I started the Tree, you WILL have problems adding, deleting, changing data. There is a steep learning curve and you MUST figure out how to do things BEFORE "Contributing" or "Editing". Sorry to come across so harshly, but we can't have people changing data in a willy-nilly fashion. Sarge My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Elke, do you have a source for this date of birth by any chance and/or a citation. You are such a wonderful help. Thank you, Marilyn x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany.

Craig, I can't vouch for Edmund in any manner but I can confirm that the John and Michael Tomer who got the land patent in Culpeper are the brothers John Thomas who ended up in Rockingham Co., NC and Michael who ended up in Fayette Co., KY since their descendants share the same DNA markers on 67 markers. Pretty convincing evidence. Edmund strikes me as an English name but no science connected with that idea -- just rambling. There is some other English Thomas and German Thomas interaction -- I suspect that is the case in the Railsback/Huffman line with a Presley Thomas and would love to learn more about this line. Also possibly an English and German Thomas intermarriage in Warren Co., KY in the Henry Thomas, son of Michael line. In Orange Co, there is also a Lewis, Owen, Joseph and Elizabeth Thomas mixed in with the Hardin's who interacted with the Holtzclaws. Lots of unanswered questions. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> To: Germanna List German Colonists List <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; Germans-VA <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:43 pm Subject: [GERMANNA] Thoma/Thomas Family This is all very interesting, bit so far only one person on these lists seems to have picked up on the fact that the wife of John-2 Holtzclaw was Elizabeth Thomas, widow of EDMOND Thomas. I will say it again in case everyone was asleep the first time around. This widow of Edmond Thomas married, apparently while pregnant. to John-2 Holtzclaw and named her new son Jacob Thomas, after his (John's) father. I do NOT think that Edmond Thomas, the father was a German. So, we may have ENGLISH THOMAS and other possibly German THOMA/THOMAS peope all mixed up. DNA testing would be most interesting, though I don't think we can go back far enough in time to prove it, especially if everyone is pre-convinced it is a German family. Sometimes we have to think outside of our original ideas. On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:54 PM, John Blankenbaker wrote: > In Ortssippenbuch, each family, i.e., one man and one woman and their > children, has a different entry or family number. If a man is married > twice, he will appear with two entry numbers, one for each wife. The > same thing would apply to women who marry twice. > > John Blankenbaker > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Small typo: Little Carolus (Karl) was born in Muenzesheim, a part of the town (=Stadtteil) of Kraichtal today. I have a little bit more info on the siblings of Maria Anna Schlundt from Gross-Aurach (my own great-grandparents were from Gross-Aurach): Descendants of Hans Schlundt Generation No. 1 1. HANS1 SCHLUNDT died 05 Jun 1699 in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. He married (2) BARBARA MAYR 17 Jul 1678 in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany, daughter of JOHANNES MAYR. She was born in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany, and died 21 Jan 1695/96 in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. Children of HANS SCHLUNDT are: i. AGATHA2 SCHLUNDT, b. 25 Aug 1668, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. ii. MARTIN SCHLUNDT, b. 04 Nov 1669, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. iii. LORENZ SCHLUNDT, b. 10 Aug 1674, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. iv. MARIA MARGARETHA SCHLUNDT, b. 28 Jan 1676/77, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. Children of HANS SCHLUNDT and BARBARA MAYR are: v. JOHANN GEORG2 SCHLUNDT, b. 13 Aug 1679, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. vi. LORENZ SCHLUNDT, b. 21 May 1682, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. vii. KATHARINA SCHLUNDT, b. 06 Dec 1684, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. viii. JOHANN JAKOB SCHLUNDT, b. 13 Jul 1686, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. ix. JOHANN LEONHARD SCHLUNDT, b. 23 Aug 1687, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. xi. MARTIN SCHLUNDT, b. 11 Oct 1692, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anita Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:33 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources auf der Flucht means on the flight during the Nine Year's War See Wikipedia for details. France retains Alsace (including Strasbourg) and surrenders Freiburg, Breisach and Philippsburg to the Holy Roman Empire. http://www.awesomegenealogy.com/german_articleemigration.pdf Interesting reasons for leaving Germany when our ancestors came to America. Anita -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources I am not presumptuous enough to think that these will be of any use to anyone BUT on the off chance that someone will find them helpful and be able to save themselves some time, I am posting my ultimate goal for sources for the first two generations of Thoma family on the Germanna Tree. I am lacking citations on Eva Barbara Schoen if anyone happens to have a copy of this source. Now ready to start the third generation -- once I get all of these entered on the tree. TAke care all, Marilyn One other thing -- is the ll before Albrecht indicative of a second marriage for both he and Barbara 3394 ……ll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 1.+7.10.1731 alt 73 Jahre und Barbara …. +28.4.1718 kath. II marriage 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 <siehe 3395> Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf der Flucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 <siehe 3397> Johann Martin *28.8.1700 <siehe 3398> The listing for his marriage to Maria Anna seems to indicate that he had one marriage -- Can someone double check these two entries for me I know that Anita sent a scanned page from the book but I may have the legend wrong 1.oo one marriage ll.oo 2nd marriage but neither of these entries appears to have the oo. 3396 25.10.1718 ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage <siehe 3394> +7.10.1731 und Maria Anna Schlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross--Aurach im Bistum Eichstätt) *Gross-Aurach ll+ 29.5.1726 1.Albrecht THOMA b: 1658 src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend: Bauer, farmer; * born; + died; alt, age; kath, Catholic; l or ll marriage; ev, Lutheran lll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 +7.10.1731 alt 73Jahre und Barbara +28.4.1718 kath 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf derFlucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 Johann Martin *28.8.1700 d: October 07, 1731 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as above +Barbara d: April 28, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as the birth and death source forAlbrecht Thoma 2. Johannes THOMA Source:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in his birth and marriage record determines parentage b: December 20, 1685 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “---- Thoman and Barbara brought Johannes on 20 December, 1686.Hanss Unger from Danschach(?) knecht was a sponsor. Peter (?) of Unteroewisheim, a single person,also sponsored. Anna Margaretha Hotz ofNeuenbuerg, a single person of Neuenbuerg, was the third.” d: Abt. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia +Anna Maria Blankenbühler src:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL +Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in her birth and +marriage record determines parentage b: May 05, 1687 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Neuenbürg Parish Records at OberöwisheimFHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “Hanss Thomas Blankenbühler with his wife Anna Barbara broughtAnna Maria on 5 May 1687. One sponsor was Gottfrid Fischer. Second was AnnaCatharina the wife of Nicolag Schaiblin. Third was Maria Elisabetha, the wifeof H. Jerg Kuntz.” m: November 18, 1711 inNeuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “On 18 November 1711, after the proclamation of the wedding, weremarried Johannes THOMA, the legitimate son of Albrecht THOMA citizen here, withthe maiden Anna Maria, the legitimate daughter of Hanss THOMA Blancknbignerformer citizen and stonemason here.” d: Bef. December 28, 1762in Culpeper County, Virginia src: Will of Michael Kaiffer written December 28, 1762Culpeper County,Virginia WB A pg 467. “Michael Kaffer's will, dated 28 Dec. 1762, Will Book A: 467 - 468was probated 17 Nov. 1768 Culpeper Co., VA. He mentions his five daughters andtheir husbands and "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas, MichaelThomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, andMargaret, wife of Henry Coller (Oyler/Aylor)." 2.Carolus THOMA b: December 28, 1688 in Münzesheim src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203, Samecitation as noted for the birth and death of Albrecht Thoma, his father,identifies parentage. 2.Johann Conrad THOMA b: August 02, 1696 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend Ev/ Lutheran, Bauer/Farmer, */born ,ll/married ll 14.1.1727 Ev: Johann Conrad THOMA, Bauer *2.8.1696 +…. Und Maria Margarethe Landvatter, (Tochter des Hans Siomon Landvatter,Bürger zu Bibrach +MariaMargaretha Landstetter b: in Bibrach m: January 14, 1726/27 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as the birth of Johann Conrad Thoma 2.Johann Martin THOMA b: August 28, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “AlbrechtTHOMA and Barbara brought Johann Martin born 24 August 1699. Sponsors includeJohann Conrad ___ shoemaker at Münzesheim, Martin B-dorf citizen at Obermaker(?), Anna Catharina the wife of Hanss Peter Zeininger who may be a carpenter.” +EvaBarbara Schöne - need citations b: November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src. Per Cathi Clore Gary J. Zimmerman and Johni Cerny, Before Germanna #2: The Ancestry of the Clore, Kaifer and Thomas Families, (Bountiful, UT: American Genealogical Lending Library, 1990), 37. OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 *2ndWife of 1.Albrecht THOMA: . +MariaAnna SCHLUNDT b: Abt. 1697 in Gross-Aurach m: October 25, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legendll/Marriage, ev /Evangelical Lutheran, Bauer/farmer, */born, +/died,Tochter/Daughter, kath/Catholic ll 25.10.1718ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage +7.10.1731 und Maria AnnaSchlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross--Aurach )*Gross--Aurach……+ 29.5.1726 2 Kinder: Ursula Barbara *22.8.1819 +30.6.1720 Anna Maria *24.10.1722 +19.6.1732 kath. d: May 29, 1726 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Same citation as her marriage 2. UrsulaBarbara Thomas b: August 22, 1719 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 30, 1720 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents 2. AnnaMaria Thomas b: October 24, 1722 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 19, 1732 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is all very interesting, bit so far only one person on these lists seems to have picked up on the fact that the wife of John-2 Holtzclaw was Elizabeth Thomas, widow of EDMOND Thomas. I will say it again in case everyone was asleep the first time around. This widow of Edmond Thomas married, apparently while pregnant. to John-2 Holtzclaw and named her new son Jacob Thomas, after his (John's) father. I do NOT think that Edmond Thomas, the father was a German. So, we may have ENGLISH THOMAS and other possibly German THOMA/THOMAS peope all mixed up. DNA testing would be most interesting, though I don't think we can go back far enough in time to prove it, especially if everyone is pre-convinced it is a German family. Sometimes we have to think outside of our original ideas. On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:54 PM, John Blankenbaker wrote: > In Ortssippenbuch, each family, i.e., one man and one woman and their > children, has a different entry or family number. If a man is married > twice, he will appear with two entry numbers, one for each wife. The > same thing would apply to women who marry twice. > > John Blankenbaker > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Ortssippenbuch, each family, i.e., one man and one woman and their children, has a different entry or family number. If a man is married twice, he will appear with two entry numbers, one for each wife. The same thing would apply to women who marry twice. John Blankenbaker

Hi I added photos and the transcription of text in document in the Black Hills Daily Times newspaper concerning Horace Garr's trail for keeping a nuisance - Garr's House. Sandy -- Sandy and Dave Cowan HC 68 Box 117 Friars Hill Rd Friars Hill WV 24938 304-497-3553

I am not presumptuous enough to think that these will be of any use to anyone BUT on the off chance that someone will find them helpful and be able to save themselves some time, I am posting my ultimate goal for sources for the first two generations of Thoma family on the Germanna Tree. I am lacking citations on Eva Barbara Schoen if anyone happens to have a copy of this source. Now ready to start the third generation -- once I get all of these entered on the tree. TAke care all, Marilyn One other thing -- is the ll before Albrecht indicative of a second marriage for both he and Barbara 3394 ……ll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 1.+7.10.1731 alt 73 Jahre und Barbara …. +28.4.1718 kath. II marriage 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 <siehe 3395> Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf der Flucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 <siehe 3397> Johann Martin *28.8.1700 <siehe 3398> The listing for his marriage to Maria Anna seems to indicate that he had one marriage -- Can someone double check these two entries for me I know that Anita sent a scanned page from the book but I may have the legend wrong 1.oo one marriage ll.oo 2nd marriage but neither of these entries appears to have the oo. 3396 25.10.1718 ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage <siehe 3394> +7.10.1731 und Maria Anna Schlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach im Bistum Eichstätt) *Gross-Aurach ll+ 29.5.1726 1.Albrecht THOMA b: 1658 src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend: Bauer, farmer; * born; + died; alt, age; kath, Catholic; l or ll marriage; ev, Lutheran lll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 +7.10.1731 alt 73Jahre und Barbara +28.4.1718 kath 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf derFlucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 Johann Martin *28.8.1700 d: October 07, 1731 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as above +Barbara d: April 28, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as the birth and death source forAlbrecht Thoma 2. Johannes THOMA Source:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in his birth and marriage record determines parentage b: December 20, 1685 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “---- Thoman and Barbara brought Johannes on 20 December, 1686.Hanss Unger from Danschach(?) knecht was a sponsor. Peter (?) of Unteroewisheim, a single person,also sponsored. Anna Margaretha Hotz ofNeuenbuerg, a single person of Neuenbuerg, was the third.” d: Abt. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia +Anna Maria Blankenbühler src:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in her birth and marriage record determines parentage b: May 05, 1687 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Neuenbürg Parish Records at OberöwisheimFHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “Hanss Thomas Blankenbühler with his wife Anna Barbara broughtAnna Maria on 5 May 1687. One sponsor was Gottfrid Fischer. Second was AnnaCatharina the wife of Nicolag Schaiblin. Third was Maria Elisabetha, the wifeof H. Jerg Kuntz.” m: November 18, 1711 inNeuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “On 18 November 1711, after the proclamation of the wedding, weremarried Johannes THOMA, the legitimate son of Albrecht THOMA citizen here, withthe maiden Anna Maria, the legitimate daughter of Hanss THOMA Blancknbignerformer citizen and stonemason here.” d: Bef. December 28, 1762in Culpeper County, Virginia src: Will of Michael Kaiffer written December 28, 1762Culpeper County,Virginia WB A pg 467. “Michael Kaffer's will, dated 28 Dec. 1762, Will Book A: 467 - 468was probated 17 Nov. 1768 Culpeper Co., VA. He mentions his five daughters andtheir husbands and "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas, MichaelThomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, andMargaret, wife of Henry Coller (Oyler/Aylor)." 2.Carolus THOMA b: December 28, 1688 in Münzesheim src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203, Samecitation as noted for the birth and death of Albrecht Thoma, his father,identifies parentage. 2.Johann Conrad THOMA b: August 02, 1696 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend Ev/ Lutheran, Bauer/Farmer, */born ,ll/married ll 14.1.1727 Ev: Johann Conrad THOMA, Bauer *2.8.1696 +…. Und Maria Margarethe Landvatter, (Tochter des Hans Siomon Landvatter,Bürger zu Bibrach +MariaMargaretha Landstetter b: in Bibrach m: January 14, 1726/27 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as the birth of Johann Conrad Thoma 2.Johann Martin THOMA b: August 28, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “AlbrechtTHOMA and Barbara brought Johann Martin born 24 August 1699. Sponsors includeJohann Conrad ___ shoemaker at Münzesheim, Martin B-dorf citizen at Obermaker(?), Anna Catharina the wife of Hanss Peter Zeininger who may be a carpenter.” +EvaBarbara Schöne - need citations b: November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src. Per Cathi Clore Gary J. Zimmerman and Johni Cerny, Before Germanna #2: The Ancestry of the Clore, Kaifer and Thomas Families, (Bountiful, UT: American Genealogical Lending Library, 1990), 37. OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 *2ndWife of 1.Albrecht THOMA: . +MariaAnna SCHLUNDT b: Abt. 1697 in Gross-Aurach m: October 25, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legendll/Marriage, ev /Evangelical Lutheran, Bauer/farmer, */born, +/died,Tochter/Daughter, kath/Catholic ll 25.10.1718ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage +7.10.1731 und Maria AnnaSchlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach )*Gross-Aurach……+ 29.5.1726 2 Kinder: Ursula Barbara *22.8.1819 +30.6.1720 Anna Maria *24.10.1722 +19.6.1732 kath. d: May 29, 1726 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Same citation as her marriage 2. UrsulaBarbara Thomas b: August 22, 1719 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 30, 1720 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents 2. AnnaMaria Thomas b: October 24, 1722 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 19, 1732 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents

auf der Flucht means on the flight during the Nine Year's War See Wikipedia for details. France retains Alsace (including Strasbourg) and surrenders Freiburg, Breisach and Philippsburg to the Holy Roman Empire. http://www.awesomegenealogy.com/german_articleemigration.pdf Interesting reasons for leaving Germany when our ancestors came to America. Anita -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources I am not presumptuous enough to think that these will be of any use to anyone BUT on the off chance that someone will find them helpful and be able to save themselves some time, I am posting my ultimate goal for sources for the first two generations of Thoma family on the Germanna Tree. I am lacking citations on Eva Barbara Schoen if anyone happens to have a copy of this source. Now ready to start the third generation -- once I get all of these entered on the tree. TAke care all, Marilyn One other thing -- is the ll before Albrecht indicative of a second marriage for both he and Barbara 3394 ……ll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 1.+7.10.1731 alt 73 Jahre und Barbara …. +28.4.1718 kath. II marriage 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 <siehe 3395> Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf der Flucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 <siehe 3397> Johann Martin *28.8.1700 <siehe 3398> The listing for his marriage to Maria Anna seems to indicate that he had one marriage -- Can someone double check these two entries for me I know that Anita sent a scanned page from the book but I may have the legend wrong 1.oo one marriage ll.oo 2nd marriage but neither of these entries appears to have the oo. 3396 25.10.1718 ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage <siehe 3394> +7.10.1731 und Maria Anna Schlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach im Bistum Eichstätt) *Gross-Aurach ll+ 29.5.1726 1.Albrecht THOMA b: 1658 src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend: Bauer, farmer; * born; + died; alt, age; kath, Catholic; l or ll marriage; ev, Lutheran lll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 +7.10.1731 alt 73Jahre und Barbara +28.4.1718 kath 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf derFlucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 Johann Martin *28.8.1700 d: October 07, 1731 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as above +Barbara d: April 28, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as the birth and death source forAlbrecht Thoma 2. Johannes THOMA Source:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in his birth and marriage record determines parentage b: December 20, 1685 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “---- Thoman and Barbara brought Johannes on 20 December, 1686.Hanss Unger from Danschach(?) knecht was a sponsor. Peter (?) of Unteroewisheim, a single person,also sponsored. Anna Margaretha Hotz ofNeuenbuerg, a single person of Neuenbuerg, was the third.” d: Abt. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia +Anna Maria Blankenbühler src:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL +Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in her birth and +marriage record determines parentage b: May 05, 1687 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Neuenbürg Parish Records at OberöwisheimFHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “Hanss Thomas Blankenbühler with his wife Anna Barbara broughtAnna Maria on 5 May 1687. One sponsor was Gottfrid Fischer. Second was AnnaCatharina the wife of Nicolag Schaiblin. Third was Maria Elisabetha, the wifeof H. Jerg Kuntz.” m: November 18, 1711 inNeuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “On 18 November 1711, after the proclamation of the wedding, weremarried Johannes THOMA, the legitimate son of Albrecht THOMA citizen here, withthe maiden Anna Maria, the legitimate daughter of Hanss THOMA Blancknbignerformer citizen and stonemason here.” d: Bef. December 28, 1762in Culpeper County, Virginia src: Will of Michael Kaiffer written December 28, 1762Culpeper County,Virginia WB A pg 467. “Michael Kaffer's will, dated 28 Dec. 1762, Will Book A: 467 - 468was probated 17 Nov. 1768 Culpeper Co., VA. He mentions his five daughters andtheir husbands and "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas, MichaelThomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, andMargaret, wife of Henry Coller (Oyler/Aylor)." 2.Carolus THOMA b: December 28, 1688 in Münzesheim src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203, Samecitation as noted for the birth and death of Albrecht Thoma, his father,identifies parentage. 2.Johann Conrad THOMA b: August 02, 1696 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend Ev/ Lutheran, Bauer/Farmer, */born ,ll/married ll 14.1.1727 Ev: Johann Conrad THOMA, Bauer *2.8.1696 +…. Und Maria Margarethe Landvatter, (Tochter des Hans Siomon Landvatter,Bürger zu Bibrach +MariaMargaretha Landstetter b: in Bibrach m: January 14, 1726/27 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as the birth of Johann Conrad Thoma 2.Johann Martin THOMA b: August 28, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “AlbrechtTHOMA and Barbara brought Johann Martin born 24 August 1699. Sponsors includeJohann Conrad ___ shoemaker at Münzesheim, Martin B-dorf citizen at Obermaker(?), Anna Catharina the wife of Hanss Peter Zeininger who may be a carpenter.” +EvaBarbara Schöne - need citations b: November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src. Per Cathi Clore Gary J. Zimmerman and Johni Cerny, Before Germanna #2: The Ancestry of the Clore, Kaifer and Thomas Families, (Bountiful, UT: American Genealogical Lending Library, 1990), 37. OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 *2ndWife of 1.Albrecht THOMA: . +MariaAnna SCHLUNDT b: Abt. 1697 in Gross-Aurach m: October 25, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legendll/Marriage, ev /Evangelical Lutheran, Bauer/farmer, */born, +/died,Tochter/Daughter, kath/Catholic ll 25.10.1718ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage +7.10.1731 und Maria AnnaSchlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach )*Gross-Aurach……+ 29.5.1726 2 Kinder: Ursula Barbara *22.8.1819 +30.6.1720 Anna Maria *24.10.1722 +19.6.1732 kath. d: May 29, 1726 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Same citation as her marriage 2. UrsulaBarbara Thomas b: August 22, 1719 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 30, 1720 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents 2. AnnaMaria Thomas b: October 24, 1722 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 19, 1732 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what DB this deed was recorded I have pages 524-527 June 30, 1764 Culpeper Co. George Holt and Mary Magdelane his wife of Brumfield Parish, Culpeper County, to Jacob Medley of same. For 100 pounds current money, 78 acres on both side of the Robertson River in the parish aforesaid-- corner to Jacob Medley which he purchased from Jacob Blankenbeker-- corner to Michel Thomas on the north side of branch--- to Robertson River--- on the top of a hill corner to Michel Thomas George (H) Holt Mary Magdalain (X) Holt Witness James Barbour Jr., John Bohannon, Samuel French, John Lacy, Wm. (W O) O' Neal. This land must have been next to the original Blankenbaker land patent since that was the only land that Michael Thomas owned in Culpeper Co. How did Jacob Blankebaker come to own this land and who were the Holt's. I cannot figure out from the abstract that I have if Medley or Holt had the land originally. Appears (without punctuation) that Holt brought it from Blankenbaker and then sold to Medley and we can surmise that Michael and Catherine were living on adjoining land with their family. Take care. Marilyn

Thanks to the wonderful help in SLC, I was able to interpret the Danish census records of his ancestors. It helped that they gave me a hand out -- of the entries in Danish for the census and then the English equivalent. I was quite proud of myself esp working in Danish records where the surname changed with each generation. For those of you who have not this joy -- the surname of the child was taken from the first name of the father so the children of Hans Pedersen (whose father was named Peder something) became someone Hansen. Such fun. If they had stopped the practice one generation earlier --I would be Marilyn Mortensen rather than Hansen. <smile> Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Cary Anderson <drcary@cox.net> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 8:54 am Subject: [GERMANNA] Ortsippenbuch Ortsippenbuchs are wonderful! After I had learned to interpret the German Church records of my "Katz village" Hocdorf and organized all my direct ancestry there, an Ortsippenbuch was published. I ordered a copy from the author-editor and was certainly excited when it arrived. Imageine my surprise when I found that I had made only one error of interpreting a record, but lo and behold so had the author/editor made one error. I could see how that had happened as he did not have access to the American side of that group of imigrants. But best of all, the book also included Tax and military records, which with my finds in surrounding villages of Katz ancestry, I was able to document the Katz family back to 1475 in Hochorf-Nagold. Even if you have an Ortsippenbuch for you village, I really think it wise to get the church microfilm and look up at least your direct line. I think it is great to have the Godparents names. It is rare that I have found close relatives as Godparents, but in Hochdorf, the Katz village, everyone descends from a Katz someway. Some more than others--I found one that had descent at least a dozen ways from the original Katz. About 300 left for America over the years. This is the joy of using the original churchbooks. Yes, it is a struggle at the beginning, but I have seen many folks at the FHC here become able to extract the important information, or at least identify persons who who be relatives. Usually, someone is around who can help. Also, it is a lot of fun trying to decipher the script so you can look up the words in a German-English dictionary. Cary TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Patricia for the wonderful explanation of the compilation of church records. I got to thinking about Albrecht and Barbara Thoma who first show up in the records in 1685 with the birth of johannes even though the records started in 1648. The mystery -- where were they before this? This young family with the almost 3 year old son and a pregnant wife had to relocate in 1788 when the nine years war engulfed their area. Did Albrecht go with them or did he stay to defend his new home? There is a 6 year gap between the child born in 1788 and the next child. Was their home destroyed during the destruction that took place in the area. When did they got to go home? Then I got to thinking about the other families in Neuenburg -- the Blankenbaker's, the Scheibles , Schlucters and Fleishmans. What is the first record for them in these church records. I can only assume that Albrecht and Barbara married not long before the birth of Johannes in 1685 because there is no record for any other children previous to him getting married or a death in the church records and they apparently married elsewhere. Did the other four families arrive about the same time? Did they travel together? Take care. Marilyn

Ortsippenbuchs are wonderful! After I had learned to interpret the German Church records of my "Katz village" Hocdorf and organized all my direct ancestry there, an Ortsippenbuch was published. I ordered a copy from the author-editor and was certainly excited when it arrived. Imageine my surprise when I found that I had made only one error of interpreting a record, but lo and behold so had the author/editor made one error. I could see how that had happened as he did not have access to the American side of that group of imigrants. But best of all, the book also included Tax and military records, which with my finds in surrounding villages of Katz ancestry, I was able to document the Katz family back to 1475 in Hochorf-Nagold. Even if you have an Ortsippenbuch for you village, I really think it wise to get the church microfilm and look up at least your direct line. I think it is great to have the Godparents names. It is rare that I have found close relatives as Godparents, but in Hochdorf, the Katz village, everyone descends from a Katz someway. Some more than others--I found one that had descent at least a dozen ways from the original Katz. About 300 left for America over the years. This is the joy of using the original churchbooks. Yes, it is a struggle at the beginning, but I have seen many folks at the FHC here become able to extract the important information, or at least identify persons who who be relatives. Usually, someone is around who can help. Also, it is a lot of fun trying to decipher the script so you can look up the words in a German-English dictionary. Cary

Yes, these are the same book. It is an ortsippenbuch...not an extraction. It is more than an extraction or an index. You should read the article I wrote for the Germana Research Journal at http://germannacolonies.org/GRGJournal Pat Lowe On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:04 PM, <gneolog@aol.com> wrote: > I need some help > > Are these two the same sources > > > KarlDifenbacher and Klaus Rössler, Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim1648-1900 und > Neuenbürg 1785-1900, (Frankfurt am Main, Germany: Zentralstellfür Personen- > und Familiengeschiste, 1990), > > Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis > Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacherund Klaus Rössler > > And I THINK that this is a book of extractions from the actual records but > then I also have this reference which I am wondering if it is the actual > Church records > > Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film #1,192 078 Neuenbürg > > And then this looks like the same extraction with a reference to where it > can be researched. > > Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim-Neuenbürg, Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landkreis > Karlsruhe*", bearbeitet (editors) von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, > (publication info) Deutsche Ortsippenbúcher, herausgegeben von der > Zentralstelle fúr Personen- und Familiengeschichte, Frankfurt am Main, Reihe > A- Band 203,..., Zugleich Band 72 der Badischen Ortsippenbúcher, Lahr- > Dinglingen > English title is Village genealogy book for Oberöwisheim 1648-1900 and > Neuenbürg 1785-1900. It is one in a series of volumes published by the > Zentralstelle for Family History in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. > The Family History Library has a copy and the call # is 943 B4do, ser. A, > v. 203. > > I feel sure that many of us - have these for references and would like for > to try to match my source info with that of everyone else using these > references. All help appreciated. Take care. Marilyn > Thanks again Anita and Cathi for these references. > > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn; The page I scanned for your is from the actual Ortsippenbuch. Anita -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathi Clore Frost Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:38 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Sources It appears to be the same book with the information just formatted differently. Except Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film #1,192 078 Neuenbürg which appears to be the microfilm of the church records because of the FHL international film number. >From what I understand about Ortssippenbucher through discussion of the topic several years ago on the Ostfriesland list (the Ostfriesland area of NW Germany has had a number published), the authors spend many years studying the church records before compiling the information in the church records into family groups. Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: <gneolog@aol.com> To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [GERMANNA] Sources >I need some help > > Are these two the same sources > > > KarlDifenbacher and Klaus Rössler, Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim1648-1900 > und Neuenbürg 1785-1900, (Frankfurt am Main, Germany: Zentralstellfür > Personen- und Familiengeschiste, 1990), > > Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis > Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacherund Klaus Rössler > > And I THINK that this is a book of extractions from the actual records but > then I also have this reference which I am wondering if it is the actual > Church records > > Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film #1,192 078 Neuenbürg > > And then this looks like the same extraction with a reference to where it > can be researched. > > Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim-Neuenbürg, Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landkreis > Karlsruhe*", bearbeitet (editors) von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus > Rössler, (publication info) Deutsche Ortsippenbúcher, herausgegeben von > der Zentralstelle fúr Personen- und Familiengeschichte, Frankfurt am Main, > Reihe A- Band 203,..., Zugleich Band 72 der Badischen Ortsippenbúcher, > Lahr- Dinglingen > English title is Village genealogy book for Oberöwisheim 1648-1900 and > Neuenbürg 1785-1900. It is one in a series of volumes published by the > Zentralstelle for Family History in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. > The Family History Library has a copy and the call # is 943 B4do, ser. A, > v. 203. > > I feel sure that many of us - have these for references and would like for > to try to match my source info with that of everyone else using these > references. All help appreciated. Take care. Marilyn TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I need some help Are these two the same sources KarlDifenbacher and Klaus Rössler, Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim1648-1900 und Neuenbürg 1785-1900, (Frankfurt am Main, Germany: Zentralstellfür Personen- und Familiengeschiste, 1990), Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacherund Klaus Rössler And I THINK that this is a book of extractions from the actual records but then I also have this reference which I am wondering if it is the actual Church records Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film #1,192 078 Neuenbürg And then this looks like the same extraction with a reference to where it can be researched. Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim-Neuenbürg, Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landkreis Karlsruhe*", bearbeitet (editors) von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, (publication info) Deutsche Ortsippenbúcher, herausgegeben von der Zentralstelle fúr Personen- und Familiengeschichte, Frankfurt am Main, Reihe A- Band 203,..., Zugleich Band 72 der Badischen Ortsippenbúcher, Lahr- Dinglingen English title is Village genealogy book for Oberöwisheim 1648-1900 and Neuenbürg 1785-1900. It is one in a series of volumes published by the Zentralstelle for Family History in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. The Family History Library has a copy and the call # is 943 B4do, ser. A, v. 203. I feel sure that many of us - have these for references and would like for to try to match my source info with that of everyone else using these references. All help appreciated. Take care. Marilyn Thanks again Anita and Cathi for these references.

That is so very interesting. The Thomas guys mostly used styled initials but it's good to know they were able to do that. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: germans-va <germans-va@rootsweb.com>; germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] [GERMANS-VA] Signature Marks Marilyn, I don't seen any specific marks for any of the Germanna Colonists, but I do have one for the SNAPP family over in the Shenandoah Valley. One of the SNAPP men came over the mountain and married one of the Germanna women, I forget which family right now. Many of the SNAPP descendants migrated from the Shenandoah Valley down to Washington and Greene Counties, TN, where they married into just about all of the Germanna families there. Anyway, when Anna Catherine HABER, wife of Lorentz SCHNEPP (SNAPP) died in 1725 there was a settlement of her estate. Johannes SCHNEPP (SNAPP), Sr. , (1695-1762), signed a note that he had received his share as her son, with a very distinct signature mark. It was a shepherd's crook through an "S" in an oversize "H". This same exact signature was used to sign the ship manifest of the Samuel in 1733 and on the will of John SNAPP, Sr., in Virginia in 1762. The SCHNEPP family were shepherds in Alsace-Lorraine (now Bas-Rhin, France). Sarge At 9/8/2011 08:35 AM Thursday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I have been scanning the marks made by the Thomas men from copies of the original land deeds when land was sold and got to wondering -- How many of the sons of the first settlers ( and the first settlers themselves) were able to make a specific mark for their signatures -- or even sign their names. If you have any samples of these marks or signatures -- you might want to think of posting a copy to the Germanna tree -- I have gotten quite a few comments about how special they are for descendants. In the Thomas line I have John/Hans and Michael and some of their sons. Take care, Marilyn > >**********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, you are correct. I've changed my database and the Tree at Ancestry to reflect her birth in the Colonies. Sarge At 9/8/2011 01:23 PM Thursday, gneolog@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I was checking on the birth of Elizabeth Kaiffer to see if there was a source for her birth in 1723 -- to use as a GUESSTIMATION-- for the death of Johannes Thomas and remarriage of his widow. On the master page, she is listed as born in Germany. If she is the daughter of Anna Magdalena Blankenbaker Thomas, a birth in Germany is not possible. Is there anyone on these lists who can edit and correct this information. I don't want to mess with the lines other than Thomas because I don't have enough info to be comfortable with changing facts. Take care. Marilyn > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html