Thanks Cathi, This is one of those -- it could be-- issues probably. So much intertwined DNA among our Germanna families that makes discoveries difficult. At least this mT DNA lends some new information.  I am still plugging away on the Thomas family.  I THINK I passed along the info that the Barbara WATTS, daughter of Joel, who was named as Barbara THOMAS in his will -- was married to one of our THOMAS guys based on Y-DNA testing - assumed to be John Thomas, son of Michael.  It never gets boring.  Take care, Marilyn Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 19:37:46 -0800 From: "Cathi Frost" <cathiclorefrost@comcast.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Re: Zimmerman - Albrecht To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009c01d592c1$3a4f8110$aeee8330$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="UTF-8" Marilyn, Back to your original question.  I have not been researching this line but the DNA connection is interesting! Anna Elisabetha Albrecht and her husband Johann Christoph Zimmerman had daughter  Barbara who married Leonard Ziegler, Elizabeth, and Katherine.  All are named in their father Christopher Zimmerman's will (Orange County, Virginia Will Book 2: 138-139).  Elizabeth and Katherine may have married men or both married the same man named James Connor after their father wrote his will but I have no record of the marriages.  It seems that one of the latter two daughters would be the best candidate to be mother of the Barbara who married Michael Thomas.  Barbara Zimmerman's husband Leonard Ziegler names only daughters Elizabeth Ziglar, Ann Ziglar, and Susanna Ziglar in his will (Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book A: 158-160). Cathi -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-request <germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com> To: germanna_colonies <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 9:38 pm Subject: GERMANNA_COLONIES Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 Send GERMANNA_COLONIES mailing list submissions to germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to germanna_colonies-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at germanna_colonies-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of GERMANNA_COLONIES digest..." 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Re: Zimmerman - Albrecht (Cathi Frost) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:40:13 +0000 (UTC) From: gneolog@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] For Pamm Thomas To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2115742224.280474.1572781213276@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Pamm, Thank you so much for your response. I have found many trees with Anna Barbara Schoen as the wife of Albrecht Thomas but can find absolutely nothing to verify this. We do know that Anna Barbara Schone 1664 was the mother of Anna Maria Blankenbaker who married Johannes Thomas and that Eva Barbara Schoen 1700 married Johann Martin Thomas, son of Albrecht but I don't have any other Schoen/Thomas connections. I have been documenting all the Albrech descendants that i can for years so possibly, I MIGHT be able to help with your line that needs confirmation. I would love to add your line to mine. Mine is Albrecht, Johannes, Michael, Abraham, Michael, Michael, Sylvester, Joseph Granville, Sylvester, Marilyn ( ME). If you need more info, I love to share.  Marilyn I just came across this email and I my not have the correct individuals. I have Albrecht Thoma married to Anna Barbara Schone. She was 1684-1718. Michael was their son and he married Anna Catharine Clara Wieland. Albrecht & Barbara would be my 7th great grandparents. I have 3 more generations of ancestors and 1 possible that has yet to be confirmed. I hope this helps! I have much more on the descendants of Albrecht. Pamm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 18:50:45 -0800 From: "Cathi Frost" <cathiclorefrost@comcast.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Re: For Pamm Thomas To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009301d592ba$a86c9b80$f945d280$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="UTF-8" Hi Marilyn and Pamm, Before Germanna #2, Before Germanna #3, and Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim und Neuenbürg show that: Albrecht Thoma, born about 1658, died 7 October 1731 at Neuenbürg, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany). He married first Barbara (surname unknown), died 28 April 1718 at Neuenbürg, and had children Johannes Thomas born 20 December 1685 at Neuenbürg, Carolus Thoma born 28 December 1688 at Münzesheim, Johann Conrad Thoma born 2 August 1696 at Neuenbürg, and Johann Martin Thoma born 28 August 1700 at Neuenbürg. He married second Maria Anna Schlundt on 25 October 1718 at Neuenbürg, born at Gross-Aurach, died 29 May 1726 at Neuenbürg, and had children Ursula Barbara Thoma born 22 August 1719 at Neuenbürg, died 30 June 1720 at Neuenbürg and Anna Maria Thoma born 24 October 1722 at Neuenbürg, died 19 June 1732 at Neuenbürg. Albrecht Thoma and Barbara's son Johannes Thoma married Anna Maria Blanckenbühler 18 November 1711 at Neuenbürg and they were members of the 1717/Second Germanna Colony.  Anna Maria Blanckenbühler was the daughter of Anna Barbara Schön and Hans Thomas Blanckenbühler. Anna Barbara Schön was born 29 September 1664 at Neuenbürg.  She married first Hans Thomas Blanckenbühler 2 November 1680 at Neuenbürg and had children (all born at Neuenbürg and also were Germanna Colonists) Hans Nikolaus Blanckenbühler born 2 January 1682, Hans Balthasar Blanckenbühler born 29 April 1682, Hans Mattheus Blanckenbühler born 29 December 1684, and Anna Maria Blanckenbühler born 5 May 1687 (married Johannes Thoma). She married second Johann Jacob Schlüchter 3 November 1691 at Neuenbürg and had Heinrich Schlucter born 7 May 1697 at Neuenbürg.  Heinrich was also a Germanna Colonist. She married third Cyriacus Fleischmann 5 March 1701 at Neuenbürg.  They migrated to Virginia together and became Germanna Colonists.  The children were Maria Catharina Fleischmann born 8 March 1702 at Neuenbürg, another daughter with the same name (presumably the first died) born 26 January 1704 at Neuenbürg, and Hans Peter Fleischmann born 10 April 1708 at Neuenbürg. You may already have this, but thought I would chime in since I had the info handy. Cathi -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 3:40 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: gneolog@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] For Pamm Thomas Pamm, Thank you so much for your response. I have found many trees with Anna Barbara Schoen as the wife of Albrecht Thomas but can find absolutely nothing to verify this. We do know that Anna Barbara Schone 1664 was the mother of Anna Maria Blankenbaker who married Johannes Thomas and that Eva Barbara Schoen 1700 married Johann Martin Thomas, son of Albrecht but I don't have any other Schoen/Thomas connections. I have been documenting all the Albrech descendants that i can for years so possibly, I MIGHT be able to help with your line that needs confirmation. I would love to add your line to mine. Mine is Albrecht, Johannes, Michael, Abraham, Michael, Michael, Sylvester, Joseph Granville, Sylvester, Marilyn ( ME). If you need more info, I love to share.  Marilyn I just came across this email and I my not have the correct individuals. I have Albrecht Thoma married to Anna Barbara Schone. She was 1684-1718. Michael was their son and he married Anna Catharine Clara Wieland. Albrecht & Barbara would be my 7th great grandparents. I have 3 more generations of ancestors and 1 possible that has yet to be confirmed. I hope this helps! I have much more on the descendants of Albrecht. Pamm _______________________________________________ Don't miss out!  www.germanna.org _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 19:37:46 -0800 From: "Cathi Frost" <cathiclorefrost@comcast.net> Subject: [GERMANNA] Re: Zimmerman - Albrecht To: <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009c01d592c1$3a4f8110$aeee8330$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="UTF-8" Marilyn, Back to your original question.  I have not been researching this line but the DNA connection is interesting! Anna Elisabetha Albrecht and her husband Johann Christoph Zimmerman had daughter  Barbara who married Leonard Ziegler, Elizabeth, and Katherine.  All are named in their father Christopher Zimmerman's will (Orange County, Virginia Will Book 2: 138-139).  Elizabeth and Katherine may have married men or both married the same man named James Connor after their father wrote his will but I have no record of the marriages.  It seems that one of the latter two daughters would be the best candidate to be mother of the Barbara who married Michael Thomas.  Barbara Zimmerman's husband Leonard Ziegler names only daughters Elizabeth Ziglar, Ann Ziglar, and Susanna Ziglar in his will (Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book A: 158-160). Cathi -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:14 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: gneolog@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Zimmerman - Albrecht Is anyone researching this family at all. I have been contacted by a descendant of Michael and Barbara Thomas, (son of Hans Thoma) who is a direct female line descendant of Barbara and he has a unique Miticrondial haplogroup and a match with another direct female line from Anna Elizabeth Albrecht which leads to the possibility of finding out the surname of Barbara who married Michael Thomas.  . Could Barbara have been a Zimmerman descendant??? She was born between 1750-1760 so more likely Anna may have been a generation or two before her. She has to follow a female line so if Anna Elizabeth was her grandmother, she would need to descend from a female Zimmerman line and would therefor have a different surname than Zimmerman. Thanks for any help. Marilyn | Anna Elizabetha Zimmerman (Albrecht) | | Birthdate: | September 15, 1687 | | Birthplace: | Mühlbach, Sulzfeld, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, | Germany | | Death: | January 16, 1757 (69) Culpeper County, Virginia, United States | | Place of Burial: | Madison, Madison County, Virginia, United States | | Immediate Family: | Daughter of Georg Albrecht II, Graf von | Erbach-Fürstenau and Anna Dorothea Christine zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg | _______________________________________________ Don't miss out!  www.germanna.org _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Marilyn, Back to your original question. I have not been researching this line but the DNA connection is interesting! Anna Elisabetha Albrecht and her husband Johann Christoph Zimmerman had daughter Barbara who married Leonard Ziegler, Elizabeth, and Katherine. All are named in their father Christopher Zimmerman's will (Orange County, Virginia Will Book 2: 138-139). Elizabeth and Katherine may have married men or both married the same man named James Connor after their father wrote his will but I have no record of the marriages. It seems that one of the latter two daughters would be the best candidate to be mother of the Barbara who married Michael Thomas. Barbara Zimmerman's husband Leonard Ziegler names only daughters Elizabeth Ziglar, Ann Ziglar, and Susanna Ziglar in his will (Culpeper County, Virginia Will Book A: 158-160). Cathi -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:14 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: gneolog@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Zimmerman - Albrecht Is anyone researching this family at all. I have been contacted by a descendant of Michael and Barbara Thomas, (son of Hans Thoma) who is a direct female line descendant of Barbara and he has a unique Miticrondial haplogroup and a match with another direct female line from Anna Elizabeth Albrecht which leads to the possibility of finding out the surname of Barbara who married Michael Thomas. . Could Barbara have been a Zimmerman descendant??? She was born between 1750-1760 so more likely Anna may have been a generation or two before her. She has to follow a female line so if Anna Elizabeth was her grandmother, she would need to descend from a female Zimmerman line and would therefor have a different surname than Zimmerman. Thanks for any help. Marilyn | Anna Elizabetha Zimmerman (Albrecht) | | Birthdate: | September 15, 1687 | | Birthplace: | Mühlbach, Sulzfeld, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, | Germany | | Death: | January 16, 1757 (69) Culpeper County, Virginia, United States | | Place of Burial: | Madison, Madison County, Virginia, United States | | Immediate Family: | Daughter of Georg Albrecht II, Graf von | Erbach-Fürstenau and Anna Dorothea Christine zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg | _______________________________________________ Don't miss out! www.germanna.org _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Marilyn and Pamm, Before Germanna #2, Before Germanna #3, and Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim und Neuenbürg show that: Albrecht Thoma, born about 1658, died 7 October 1731 at Neuenbürg, Baden (now Baden-Württemberg, Germany). He married first Barbara (surname unknown), died 28 April 1718 at Neuenbürg, and had children Johannes Thomas born 20 December 1685 at Neuenbürg, Carolus Thoma born 28 December 1688 at Münzesheim, Johann Conrad Thoma born 2 August 1696 at Neuenbürg, and Johann Martin Thoma born 28 August 1700 at Neuenbürg. He married second Maria Anna Schlundt on 25 October 1718 at Neuenbürg, born at Gross-Aurach, died 29 May 1726 at Neuenbürg, and had children Ursula Barbara Thoma born 22 August 1719 at Neuenbürg, died 30 June 1720 at Neuenbürg and Anna Maria Thoma born 24 October 1722 at Neuenbürg, died 19 June 1732 at Neuenbürg. Albrecht Thoma and Barbara's son Johannes Thoma married Anna Maria Blanckenbühler 18 November 1711 at Neuenbürg and they were members of the 1717/Second Germanna Colony. Anna Maria Blanckenbühler was the daughter of Anna Barbara Schön and Hans Thomas Blanckenbühler. Anna Barbara Schön was born 29 September 1664 at Neuenbürg. She married first Hans Thomas Blanckenbühler 2 November 1680 at Neuenbürg and had children (all born at Neuenbürg and also were Germanna Colonists) Hans Nikolaus Blanckenbühler born 2 January 1682, Hans Balthasar Blanckenbühler born 29 April 1682, Hans Mattheus Blanckenbühler born 29 December 1684, and Anna Maria Blanckenbühler born 5 May 1687 (married Johannes Thoma). She married second Johann Jacob Schlüchter 3 November 1691 at Neuenbürg and had Heinrich Schlucter born 7 May 1697 at Neuenbürg. Heinrich was also a Germanna Colonist. She married third Cyriacus Fleischmann 5 March 1701 at Neuenbürg. They migrated to Virginia together and became Germanna Colonists. The children were Maria Catharina Fleischmann born 8 March 1702 at Neuenbürg, another daughter with the same name (presumably the first died) born 26 January 1704 at Neuenbürg, and Hans Peter Fleischmann born 10 April 1708 at Neuenbürg. You may already have this, but thought I would chime in since I had the info handy. Cathi -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 3:40 AM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: gneolog@aol.com Subject: [GERMANNA] For Pamm Thomas Pamm, Thank you so much for your response. I have found many trees with Anna Barbara Schoen as the wife of Albrecht Thomas but can find absolutely nothing to verify this. We do know that Anna Barbara Schone 1664 was the mother of Anna Maria Blankenbaker who married Johannes Thomas and that Eva Barbara Schoen 1700 married Johann Martin Thomas, son of Albrecht but I don't have any other Schoen/Thomas connections. I have been documenting all the Albrech descendants that i can for years so possibly, I MIGHT be able to help with your line that needs confirmation. I would love to add your line to mine. Mine is Albrecht, Johannes, Michael, Abraham, Michael, Michael, Sylvester, Joseph Granville, Sylvester, Marilyn ( ME). If you need more info, I love to share. Marilyn I just came across this email and I my not have the correct individuals. I have Albrecht Thoma married to Anna Barbara Schone. She was 1684-1718. Michael was their son and he married Anna Catharine Clara Wieland. Albrecht & Barbara would be my 7th great grandparents. I have 3 more generations of ancestors and 1 possible that has yet to be confirmed. I hope this helps! I have much more on the descendants of Albrecht. Pamm _______________________________________________ Don't miss out! www.germanna.org _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Pamm, Thank you so much for your response. I have found many trees with Anna Barbara Schoen as the wife of Albrecht Thomas but can find absolutely nothing to verify this. We do know that Anna Barbara Schone 1664 was the mother of Anna Maria Blankenbaker who married Johannes Thomas and that Eva Barbara Schoen 1700 married Johann Martin Thomas, son of Albrecht but I don't have any other Schoen/Thomas connections. I have been documenting all the Albrech descendants that i can for years so possibly, I MIGHT be able to help with your line that needs confirmation. I would love to add your line to mine. Mine is Albrecht, Johannes, Michael, Abraham, Michael, Michael, Sylvester, Joseph Granville, Sylvester, Marilyn ( ME). If you need more info, I love to share.  Marilyn I just came across this email and I my not have the correct individuals. I have Albrecht Thoma married to Anna Barbara Schone. She was 1684-1718. Michael was their son and he married Anna Catharine Clara Wieland. Albrecht & Barbara would be my 7th great grandparents. I have 3 more generations of ancestors and 1 possible that has yet to be confirmed. I hope this helps! I have much more on the descendants of Albrecht. Pamm

I just came across this email and I my not have the correct individuals. I have Albrecht Thoma married to Anna Barbara Schone. She was 1684-1718. Michael was their son and he married Anna Catharine Clara Wieland. Albrecht & Barbara would be my 7th great grandparents. I have 3 more generations of ancestors and 1 possible that has yet to be confirmed. I hope this helps! I have much more on the descendants of Albrecht. Pamm IN.Genealogist@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:44 AM Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES < germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Is anyone researching this family at all. I have been contacted by a > descendant of Michael and Barbara Thomas, (son of Hans Thoma) who is a > direct female line descendant of Barbara and he has a unique Miticrondial > haplogroup and a match with another direct female line from Anna Elizabeth > Albrecht which leads to the possibility of finding out the surname of > Barbara who married Michael Thomas. . Could Barbara have been a Zimmerman > descendant??? She was born between 1750-1760 so more likely Anna may have > been a generation or two before her. She has to follow a female line so if > Anna Elizabeth was her grandmother, she would need to descend from a female > Zimmerman line and would therefor have a different surname than Zimmerman. > Thanks for any help. Marilyn > > | > Anna Elizabetha Zimmerman (Albrecht) > | > | Birthdate: | September 15, 1687 | > | Birthplace: | Mühlbach, Sulzfeld, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, Germany | > | Death: | January 16, 1757 (69) > Culpeper County, Virginia, United States | > | Place of Burial: | Madison, Madison County, Virginia, United States | > | Immediate Family: | Daughter of Georg Albrecht II, Graf von > Erbach-Fürstenau and Anna Dorothea Christine zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg > | > > > _______________________________________________ > Don't miss out! www.germanna.org > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thank you, Judith Palermo for responding to my query  concerning Balthasar Blankenbaker. John Huffman married  Maria SabIna Volck, daughter of Johann Michael Volck and Anna Barbara Mayer/Moyer. They had 12 children and when they were baptized, Nicolas Yager born 1678, was one of the godparents for all 12 children. Balthasar Blankenbaker  was also a godparent for all twelve childrenBalthasar's wife, Anna Barbara, was a godparent for four of the children.  From a "Research Report # 178933 - ( 9 September 1998) " Information in the IGI for Blankenbuhler in Germany, shows that Baltazar as the husband of Anna Margaret YAGER. I am trying to find out the relationship of Nicholas and Balthasar to either the Volcks or the Huffmans.Nancy Moyer Dodge.

Have a lengthy descendant outline for Hans Christoper Zimmerman and Anna Elizabetha Albrecht. Contact me at TEbel2888(at)gmail.com and I will EMail it to you. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 9:44 AM Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES < germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Is anyone researching this family at all. I have been contacted by a > descendant of Michael and Barbara Thomas, (son of Hans Thoma) who is a > direct female line descendant of Barbara and he has a unique Miticrondial > haplogroup and a match with another direct female line from Anna Elizabeth > Albrecht which leads to the possibility of finding out the surname of > Barbara who married Michael Thomas. . Could Barbara have been a Zimmerman > descendant??? She was born between 1750-1760 so more likely Anna may have > been a generation or two before her. She has to follow a female line so if > Anna Elizabeth was her grandmother, she would need to descend from a female > Zimmerman line and would therefor have a different surname than Zimmerman. > Thanks for any help. Marilyn > > | > Anna Elizabetha Zimmerman (Albrecht) > | > | Birthdate: | September 15, 1687 | > | Birthplace: | Mühlbach, Sulzfeld, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, Germany | > | Death: | January 16, 1757 (69) > Culpeper County, Virginia, United States | > | Place of Burial: | Madison, Madison County, Virginia, United States | > | Immediate Family: | Daughter of Georg Albrecht II, Graf von > Erbach-Fürstenau and Anna Dorothea Christine zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg > | > > > _______________________________________________ > Don't miss out! www.germanna.org > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Is anyone researching this family at all. I have been contacted by a descendant of Michael and Barbara Thomas, (son of Hans Thoma) who is a direct female line descendant of Barbara and he has a unique Miticrondial haplogroup and a match with another direct female line from Anna Elizabeth Albrecht which leads to the possibility of finding out the surname of Barbara who married Michael Thomas.  . Could Barbara have been a Zimmerman descendant??? She was born between 1750-1760 so more likely Anna may have been a generation or two before her. She has to follow a female line so if Anna Elizabeth was her grandmother, she would need to descend from a female Zimmerman line and would therefor have a different surname than Zimmerman. Thanks for any help. Marilyn | Anna Elizabetha Zimmerman (Albrecht) | | Birthdate: | September 15, 1687 | | Birthplace: | Mühlbach, Sulzfeld, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, Germany | | Death: | January 16, 1757 (69) Culpeper County, Virginia, United States | | Place of Burial: | Madison, Madison County, Virginia, United States | | Immediate Family: | Daughter of Georg Albrecht II, Graf von Erbach-Fürstenau and Anna Dorothea Christine zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg |

Is there anyone researching the family of Baltzar Blankenbuhler ? If so, I would like to hear from you. Nancy Dodge pndodge@ aol.com

Is Steve Broyles on this list? If so, please reply. Cathi

I have many Wayland DNA matches and no direct ancestor Waylands. I will see what I can find. Suzee Soldan ElscOberg. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 9, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I am following up on some of my DNA matches and see that I have a DNA match with a Mary Wayland. i need to know if she is connected to Catherine Wayland who may be the Catherine who married Michael Thomas. Also, would Mary Wayland be connected genetically to any of the Blankenbakers. I have lots of matches from the early Blankenbaker family. Thanks for any help. Marilyn > > _______________________________________________ > Don't miss out! www.germanna.org > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I can’t tell you anything about Sent from my iPad > On Aug 9, 2019, at 1:54 PM, Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > If anyone can tell me if there is anyplace that the Thomas/Blankenbaker line would intersect with a John Wayland and Catherine Broyles through their daughter Anna Magdalena Wayland Carpenter. > Also another Wayland match through a Nevil Wayland born 1790, no earlier information > Thanks for any help. Marilyn > > _______________________________________________ > Don't miss out! www.germanna.org > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If anyone can tell me if there is anyplace that the Thomas/Blankenbaker line would intersect with a John Wayland and Catherine Broyles through their daughter Anna Magdalena Wayland Carpenter.  Also another Wayland match through a Nevil Wayland born 1790, no earlier information Thanks for any help. Marilyn

I am following up on some of my DNA matches and see that I have a DNA match with a Mary Wayland.  i need to know if she is connected to Catherine Wayland who may be the Catherine who married Michael Thomas.  Also, would Mary Wayland be connected genetically to any of the Blankenbakers.  I have lots of matches from the early Blankenbaker family.  Thanks for any help. Marilyn

So we know that Anna Magdalena Thomas married John Michael Smith and that Abraham Thomas ( the nephew of Anna Magdalena) married Susanna Smith ( the granddaughter of Anna Magdalena Thomas Smith via her son, Adam.  I have many DNA matches with quite a few of the children of Adam Smith so been working in that line.  I did not realize that both Thomas and Smith descendants had migrated from Kentucky, then Champaign, Ohio and then Delaware, Indiana and children from both Thomas and Smith children married KITE siblings and  BATTREAL siblings. ..... and I have only just gotten started. Marilyn

So a history of Putnam County, indiana states that Joel Thomas, who was the son of Barbara Watts Thomas, was born in 1767 Somerset County, Pennsylvania. At that time, Somerset County was not yet formed and was taken out of Bedford County, PA.  Michael Thomas, son of Johannes, was firmly entrenched in Bedford Co. PA at that time so I am attaching Barbara Watts as the wife of John Thomas, son of Michael Thomas, based on the son being named John Jr and John Thomas serving in the same company with Michael Thomas in the Rev War. Thank heaven for the history book on Putnam co., iN. Marilyn

Actually there were two Thomas brothers -- Hans AKA John and his brother Michael. Time period, German records, Culpeper records seem to confirm that these were the only two sons of Johannes. Hans did not leave a will and Michael's will was partially burned so it has been fruit basket turnover working on these two brothers.  Michael is said to have had 15 children by his first wife and 10 by his second.  Ten of the ones able to be read in the burned will appear to be the 10 from the second wife along with a few of the ones from his first wife.  DNA, land records, tax records etc have helped in the search. I hope this answers your question.  Marilyn

Marilyn, I have been finding hints in autosomal DNA results for my Morris line.  My father and I have been searching for over  50 years.  I started a Morris Surname Y-DNA Project at Family Tree back in 2003 hopng to find a match to  my brother, an uncle, a cousin and a nephew.  No luck, but I have found links through autoromal DNA results over the last year.  As more and more people take the Autsomal DNA test, connections show up.  I have found Family Finder DNA connections all the way back to the original settlers thrpugh my matches.  Of couse my germanna families intermarried into many of the original families over many generations.  My father took a trip with his father back to his hometown in south western Missouri in about 1968 and he found found he was related to almost everyone in town.  The families had all mirgrated to Wasington County, North Carolina  from Madison, VA,  and then to Urbana, Missouri around 1838. Intersting fact, the name of the cemetery in Limestone, TN, was Urbana Cemetery.  The town they settled in Missouri is called Urbana. Sincerely,Corlee Ann Morris'8th great grand dayghter of Nicholas Jager/Yager On Friday, April 5, 2019, 9:31:01 PM EDT, Marilyn Hansen via GERMANNA_COLONIES <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com> wrote: So as many of you know, I have tried for years to find a relationship between the Thomas and the Watts family -- unsuccessfully.   I found a Watts family tree online and have been working with that line to try to find a connection.  The point of interest is that Joel Watts of Culpepep Co. Va named a daughter in his will as Barbara Thomas and her 3 children, Larkin, Joel and John.  The Watts family is working under the assumption that Barbara was the wife of a John Thomas since the first child named was John but I am not so sure about this.  Anyway, long story short, the Watts gentleman was able to track down a direct male line from the son Joel and his DNA results came back today -- he is a GERMANNA THOMAS.  Matches perfectly with our guys. So where does he go?  Best choice would be one of the missing children of Michael. We know Michael's will was partially burned in Fayette Co but we can make lots of it out and there is no mention of these 3 children.  No mention in any land records for either Hans or Michael. My reason for trying to find a connection is that Peter Watts, the nephew of the elder Joel, was in Culpeper Co. Va and then in Guilford Co. NC at the same time as Hans (but no association that I can find) and then in Ky with the son of Michael serving in the same military unit. Also Abraham is said to have named a son, Peter Watts Thomas, even though i can only find him as Peter W.  But the DNA does not lie so who is this unknown Thomas man?  All thoughts appreciated.  Take care, Marilyn _______________________________________________ Don't miss out!  www.germanna.org _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Abstracts of the will of Joel Watts name 4 children for Barbara Watts Thomas, John, Larkin, Joel and Barbara.  Also John is listed as John Jr in the abstract.  My goal for today is to track down an original copy.  Bud Thomas who did so much research on the Thomas family before his death, does attribute a John Thomas as a son of Michael Thomas but with a marriage to Jemimia Miller.  He does make note that another family line also claims Jemima Miller Thomas and that Thomas family is from Wales.  I have never been comfortable with the Thomas/Miller match even though circumstantially it looks good BUT they named their children with Welsh names -- Evan and Rees. The John that Bud traced could be the son of Michael -- just not married to Jemima Miller. He is traced from Virginia, to Pennsylvania to Kentucky in the same counties where Michael and his son, Abraham were living.  A John Thomas also interacted with the Fisher family in Kentucky. One note that i have is that Larken Thomas died in Fayette Co in 1797 and we know that Michael died there about 1800. The DNA test that just came back is not the autosomal DNA test that shows relationships from both the maternal and paternal line.  This was the Y-DNA test which can only be done on direct male descendants so very specific. These results show that 17 direct male lines from Hans and Michael  have the same DNA as passed down to them from Johannes and Albrech. At this time, I have nothing else that i can add that makes sense so will burrow back into my black hole of paper work and see if anything shows up. In the meantime, if you have info that might add to my black hole, just send it on.  Thanks bunches, Marilyn

Just for my own information: If a man with last name Thomas is proven genetically to be a Germanna Thomas, does he automatically descend from Michael Thomas of Culpeper? Was Michael Thomas the only Thomas male who was a part of the Germanna group? I do know enough about DNA to realize that a Thomas who would have matched this same Michael Thomas genetically might have stayed in Europe or come into another port on these shores….but if one has reason to believe that their Thomas line descends from a Germanna Thomas male, is there another male among the Germanna group with last name Thomas? Does this make sense? Do I need to clarify my question? marsha in WV > On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:01 AM, John Blankenbaker <jvblankenbaker@gmail.com> wrote: > > Marilyn, > Good work, Marilyn. Tracking the descendants of Michael Thomas is not easy > but you probably have a small start. > John Blankenbaker >