Well, the goose bumps are here again...as I have said before we have an antique airplane club that is located at our small airport and today one of them is out there doing stalls, rolls, and dives and a little upside down flying and the hum or roar of that engine still gives me the willies...he is doing dives with rolls, stalls with rolls, big boys and their toys... Tschüß, Gail Meyer Kilgore Casa Grande, Arizona