Right, Mona: I'll try and find time to get the entire thing (2 pages in Luechow's cookbook), including my annotations, into my word processor and share it soon with the list. When you see it, you'll understand why it's easier to mail it to Ralf :-))) Dave Ross

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:17:20 EDT Newtross@aol.com writes: > > Ralf, send me your smail addy and I'll send a copy of the recipe > with my annotations. Simpler than e-mailing. Simpler, perhaps, but it leaves out the rest of us who are also interested. :-) Mona ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Ralf, send me your smail addy and I'll send a copy of the recipe with my annotations. Simpler than e-mailing. Dave Ross

Well, Judy, buckle on your broad-mainded understanding and hark !! On a Blue Lagoon Cruise of the Fijian Islands, we had met a fun couple from Sydney. Several weeks later we were in Sydney, staying with another friend at Bondi Beach. We took Peter with us when we went to Steve's and Val's for a dinner party/barbie. It was our very first visit to Oz, so we weren't yet "into" Aussie slang. When we came into Steve's and Val's place, I removed my bum bag, not wanting to be encumbered with it all evening, and asked, "where can I put my fanny pack ??" Val (in fun) reacted in horror and, running to her high-school-age son and clapping her hands over his ears, cried, "don't listen, don't listen !!" I turned to Peter and asked what I'd said, whereupon he informed me that, in Australia, "fanny" is a VERY vulgar term for the female genitalia !! He said, "Dave, down here we call them 'bum bags'." So, it's been my "bum bag" ever since. Dave Ross

Dave: Great minds think alike. I agree with you though, time is getting short. Ralf At 08:24 AM 6/13/01 -0400, you wrote: >Ralf and Elsa: Reading of your reactions to German music, and things and >places German, I think the two of you would be FUN to travel with in Germany >!! > >Carol and I always have so much fun, and so many memorable times, over there >when we go. One of these days we'll not be able to do it anymore, but we >have albums full of pictures and memorabilia that we can peruse to help us >recall the great times in that enchanting land !! > >Dave Ross > > > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: >GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the message and send. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Dave: My wife, Sonja has requested your recipe for Koenigsberger Klops - maybe now I can get her to make the Spaetzle vom Brett to get the water for it. One of these years we should coordinate out trips to Germany so that we can meet in Heilbronn. Perhaps in the Fall. Heilbronn has a huge wine fest in the city centre every fall. All the Wine companies have booths, and there are about 2 dozen musical groups scattered throughout the square. The music ranges from the very modern (ugh) to the traditional drinking songs. Its great. See you there Ralf At 08:08 AM 6/13/01 -0400, you wrote: >Ralf: I make my Spaetzle by cutting the dough off the Brett into the boiling >water (I usually use the Spaetzle water, then, to make the Koenbigsberger >Klops !!). In 1960, at Gustav Fuchs store in Heilbronn, I bought a Spaetzle >maker and used it for years, but the Brett method yields much more authentic >Spaetzle. > >Yep, those pop-top beer bottles are the cat's pajamas !! > >Gosh, just out of bed and you've got me hungry already !! :-))) > >Dave Ross > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >Complaints: >Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

I'd like to know what happened about the fanny Pack in Australia. I can think of several possibilities, but am curious. LOL In a message dated 6/13/01 1:06:51 AM, you wrote: << And, if you go to Australia, don't refer to your bum bag as a "fanny pack." Hoo boy !!! Dave Ross>>

Ralf and Elsa: Reading of your reactions to German music, and things and places German, I think the two of you would be FUN to travel with in Germany !! Carol and I always have so much fun, and so many memorable times, over there when we go. One of these days we'll not be able to do it anymore, but we have albums full of pictures and memorabilia that we can peruse to help us recall the great times in that enchanting land !! Dave Ross

Klaus Dieter: Our son was born in Germany in 1960 and came back to the USA at 3 months of age. He'd never returned until 1986, when we "gave" him an all-expense trip for Christmas. We were in Germany for two months to do research and visit our newly-wed daughter & family. Derek was with us for Christmas in Heidelberg (another story, another time), where our son-in-law Fritz was working on his advanced degrees in science. Between Weihnachts und Silvester we traveled with Derek in southern Germany, Switzerland and Austria. On Silvesterabend, after visiting our 1959-60 landlady in Heilbronn, we had wound up in Bad Wimpfen, in a Gaststaette, for Mittagtisch. A touring Maennerchor came in to eat, sat around their tables, drinking Bier and SINGING !! What a New Year's Eve treat for us, really lighting us up for the brief drive back to Heidelberg and the Silvesterabend party awaiting us there. Dave Ross

Ralf: I make my Spaetzle by cutting the dough off the Brett into the boiling water (I usually use the Spaetzle water, then, to make the Koenbigsberger Klops !!). In 1960, at Gustav Fuchs store in Heilbronn, I bought a Spaetzle maker and used it for years, but the Brett method yields much more authentic Spaetzle. Yep, those pop-top beer bottles are the cat's pajamas !! Gosh, just out of bed and you've got me hungry already !! :-))) Dave Ross

Marvin: I may be wrong, (and I usually am) but I believe you may be thinking of the German National Anthem, "Deutschland Ueber Alles". After the war, they deleted and banned one verse, (the very Nazi one) and retained the rest. I think the Horst Wessel Lied is still banned in Germany. It was when I was there in April/May of this year. Ralf At 11:47 PM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > > The tune was the German national anthem, Wessel wrote one line that became > banned. He was street thug and was killed by the reds. > > Marvin J. Bohrer > > Searching for BOHRER's anywhere > also Butterworth, Hiner, Rakestraw, > How can you know where you are going, > If you do not know where you have been > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com  and in the message add the word  > UNSUBSCRIBE  and send. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > <http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Thank you, Elsa!!!! What a great web site!!!! Just last night my mom and I were trying to remember the lyrics to Aba Heidschi Bumbeidschi (sp?). I am expecting a baby soon and I miss my Oma terribly. She sang many of the songs I found on the Kinderlieder link. I just ordered a cd! Karin Book > I think I have died and gone to heaven. Decided to > go to Google again > and typed in German Marching Songs. Reached this > wonderful site (below) > with links to all kinds of German music, including > an official page for > Lili Marleen. > > http://ingeb.org/home.html ===== Karin! http://photos.yahoo.com/karin4467 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

The tune was the German national anthem, Wessel wrote one line that became banned. He was street thug and was killed by the reds. Marvin J. Bohrer Searching for BOHRER's anywhere also Butterworth, Hiner, Rakestraw, How can you know where you are going, If you do not know where you have been

I think the key to making good wine is "cleanliness", good high power yeast, perhaps a bit of added sugar (of course tastes vary), the proper hardware, and lots of patience. I made my first batch year before last with homegrown grapes. I couldn't wait to taste. After 2 weeks in the secondary fermenter (bubbling like crazy), it had a taste that only a mother could love. It seemed a good idea to taste test each batch at least daily, perhaps 2 or 3 times each in order to compare variations in recipes, and to monitor (e.g. try to remember) the results. As I recall, it went well. Perhaps a bit silly, but I had to take a sample to my buddy. The bottom of the bottle had at least a quarter inch of lees settled before I could get it to him (overnight). But, I had to show off my new baby. It is as I read somewhere "that which is nasty after 1 month, will taste decent in 3 months, pretty good after 6 months, and better after 1-3 years. Last years batch is still on the shelf in the secondary fermenter, patiently waiting to be bottled. But we can wait for now. Although I'm not sure what to do with the green bean experiment. I don't think they make enough time for it to heal. I have postponed my beer making idea for the moment. Perhaps next year. Much too explosive! I make enough of a mess during bottling (darn bottles won't stand still, nervous I guess). Larry p.s.: an air-lock is a good investment, and they are cheap. Don't bottle until the last bubbles are long gone. ----Original Message---- To:    GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject:    [GERMAN-LIFE] Brews Sounds like a little bit of heritage pops out in all of us... I was making some wine and knew I was going to be gone for a week and my Dad was coming up to the house to check everything while I was gone... so I put my two crocks in the sink and covered them....mistake!!! I guess my peach wine blew all over my white kitchen with its black floor... my Dad said that he scrubbed and scrubbed, ceiling to floor cleaning up my ungodly wine mess... he never let me live that one down... g _____________________________

On 12 Jun 2001, at 22:19, lumby@air.on.ca wrote: > The Horst Wessel Lied minus the words, is a > very impressive marching song and hymn.. Of course you know that both > the Lied and the words are banned in Germany even today, for the very > reasons you mentioned. The melody is nothing new and was only appropriated by the Nazis. It was the official song of the party and therefore anathema today. Wessel was sort of a bum and was murdered in the early 30s by some communist bums. It all gave rise to the saga of a martyr which the the party needed. Fred

I think I have died and gone to heaven. Decided to go to Google again and typed in German Marching Songs. Reached this wonderful site (below) with links to all kinds of German music, including an official page for Lili Marleen. http://ingeb.org/home.html The war years produced some wonderful German music including my favourite, Lili Marleen by Lale Andersen. My parents loved their German music and every weekend was started with a couple of hours of it. My sense of "Germanness" is strongly connected with its music and I feel most German when I hear one of those wonderful old songs by some marvellous singers. e.g. Hans Albers mit seine Mattrosenlieder -- Auf der Reperbahn Nachts um Halb Eins, the wonderful tenor, Rene Carroll (spelling?), etc. etc. and certainly the marching songs sung by a good male choir. Elsa Kahler

>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:05:28 -0400 >To: ekahler@sympatico.ca >From: lumby@air.on.ca >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German Marching Songs > >Elsa: > >I certainly agree with you. The Horst Wessel Lied minus the words, is a very impressive marching song and hymn.. Of course you know that both the Lied and the words are banned in Germany even today, for the very reasons you mentioned. > >Another German Lied that I found very attractive and emotional is the WW I Military song "Ich hatte Einen Kamaraden."( I think that is the way it is spelled." I first heard this in 1965 while attending a Rememberance Day ceremony near Bad Wiessee, south of Munich.on November 11th. >It was at a British Commonwealth War Cemetary, the only one, I believe in southern Germany, and held the graves of all the Commonwealth airmen who were shot down and killed over that area during WWll. >The ceremony was led by a contingent of British military from northern Germany, their Padre and a Band. >There was an American honour party, as well as an honour party from the German Airforce. > >The British Band played their (and my) traditional Rememberance Day hymns, which always brings a tear to my eyes, followed by the traditional American hymns, and then lastly, the German Hymn I mentioned above. I was very impressed, and even more so when I heard the words. Nothing political, just soldiers who survived, remembering those of their "Kamaraden" who had fallen. > >Someday, I will visit that cemetery again, just to pause and think. > >Ralf > > > >>After reading the Horst Wessel message, I admit that curiosity got the >>better of me and I did indeed go to Google and clicked on some of the >>sites. Never knew who Horst Wessel was but I certainly knew the song. >>My father had an old LP with German Marching songs on it that he would >>occasionally play on Saturdays when I was a child. The words and >>meanings aside, these old marching songs are tremendously catchy tunes. >>I used to thoroughly enjoy listening to them when I was a youngster even >>though I did not know the meaning of the words and this one also brought >>back memories of the stories my father told about "how they marched in >>Germany". >> >>One can well imagine the nationalism that these infectious tunes >>inspired. >> >>Elsa Kahler >> >> >>==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: >>GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. >> >>============================== >>Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >>

After reading the Horst Wessel message, I admit that curiosity got the better of me and I did indeed go to Google and clicked on some of the sites. Never knew who Horst Wessel was but I certainly knew the song. My father had an old LP with German Marching songs on it that he would occasionally play on Saturdays when I was a child. The words and meanings aside, these old marching songs are tremendously catchy tunes. I used to thoroughly enjoy listening to them when I was a youngster even though I did not know the meaning of the words and this one also brought back memories of the stories my father told about "how they marched in Germany". One can well imagine the nationalism that these infectious tunes inspired. Elsa Kahler

No suggestions ... but green with envy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kolb" <klkolb@net.bluemoon.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] Trip suggestions, please While I missed the group that went in May, I am planning on 4 weeks in July-August, and am open to any and all suggestions. We arrive in Düsseldorf on the 12th, and spend the first night in Nürnberg and the second night in München. We will be driving, by the way, and staying in Ibis Hotels, which we reserved on the internet. Then on Saturday we are off to Grundlsee to a timeshare for one week. The following week we will spend 7 days in Oberstaufen in a timeshare. I have seen Lindau, Meersburg, Uberlingen, etc. and would like any other suggestions. I was thinking about Kempten, as I have never been there. From there we will spend a night in Haguenau, and hope to see Freiburg and Colmar on the way. The next night we will spend in Luxembourg City and hope to see Metz on the way. Any other ideas I might have missed? Thanks. ______________________________

As a student in Germany I always looked forward to the once a year "Ausflug". Usually by bus to a historical site (one I remember especially was to the Walhalla) with a lot of singing of Wanderlieder and Folksongs. I guess group singing is a way of life in Germany. Listening to good "Männerchor" sing these marching songs can give you goosebumps and send chills up and down your spine. Klaus Dieter Cook, Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa Kahler" <ekahler@sympatico.ca> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] German Marching Songs > After reading the Horst Wessel message, I admit that curiosity got the > better of me and I did indeed go to Google and clicked on some of the > sites. Never knew who Horst Wessel was but I certainly knew the song. > My father had an old LP with German Marching songs on it that he would > occasionally play on Saturdays when I was a child. The words and > meanings aside, these old marching songs are tremendously catchy tunes. > I used to thoroughly enjoy listening to them when I was a youngster even > though I did not know the meaning of the words and this one also brought > back memories of the stories my father told about "how they marched in > Germany". > > One can well imagine the nationalism that these infectious tunes > inspired. > > Elsa Kahler > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >