I grew up in a small (10,000) town in eastern Montana. When I was small there was a fairly vibrant downtown area where my father owned a bakery. I serviced alot of people besides the town folks such as other smaller towns and many many farmers. You could get almost anything there. Then K-Mart came to town and built there store as far away from the downtown area as possible. My father could never understand why this was allowed and how the Chamber could not see what would happen. Not long after there was a small strip mall built next to the K-Mart with two grocery stores near by. It wasn't long before people had to make a special effort to shop downtown even though it was within walking distance of pretty much the whole town. My father couldn't keep his prices competative with the chain store grocery store and very few people could understand that. Even though they would say his bread and rolls were the best they couldn't resist a bargain. Well, now the bakery is closed and 99% of the stores that were there when I was growing up are gone. People have tried other things in the downtown area but usually are gone within a year or two. I think this is typical of alot of towns. Chris, Calgary, Ab > I think that our workplaces and shopping areas in the US are so far from > home that it makes it rather unrealistic to think of walking instead of > driving. Everything is so much bigger here, and spread out, while in Europe > there is less land and the population is more concentrated, so things are > closer to home. Plus, we are just too "busy" in our lives. On top of that, > we have developed such a fascination our cars, unfortunately! > Dorie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Bailey <r.bailey@home.com> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > > > I'm really not sure what it's like in the cities in the states but here in > > Calgary we have tons of walking/biking trails. How ever I believe that > > because the U.S. and Canada have really gone away from the small > > neighborhood shops, unlike in Germany, and to the many chain stores, that > > seem to congregate in one commercial area we've lost a great deal. In my > > area of the city I don't even have a 7-11 to go to. It takes me ten > minutes > > just to drive to the nearest grocery store and about 20 to get to the > > nearest mall. What do you all think? > > > > Chris, > > Calgary, Ab > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karin Book" <karin4467@yahoo.com> > > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:13 AM > > Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > > > > > > Although I can't speak for all Germans, I know that my > > > family walks much more than the average American here > > > does. In fact, they are always astounded at the number > > > and kind of drive-through windows here in the US. > > > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I think that our workplaces and shopping areas in the US are so far from home that it makes it rather unrealistic to think of walking instead of driving. Everything is so much bigger here, and spread out, while in Europe there is less land and the population is more concentrated, so things are closer to home. Plus, we are just too "busy" in our lives. On top of that, we have developed such a fascination our cars, unfortunately! Dorie ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Bailey <r.bailey@home.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > I'm really not sure what it's like in the cities in the states but here in > Calgary we have tons of walking/biking trails. How ever I believe that > because the U.S. and Canada have really gone away from the small > neighborhood shops, unlike in Germany, and to the many chain stores, that > seem to congregate in one commercial area we've lost a great deal. In my > area of the city I don't even have a 7-11 to go to. It takes me ten minutes > just to drive to the nearest grocery store and about 20 to get to the > nearest mall. What do you all think? > > Chris, > Calgary, Ab > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karin Book" <karin4467@yahoo.com> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:13 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > > > Although I can't speak for all Germans, I know that my > > family walks much more than the average American here > > does. In fact, they are always astounded at the number > > and kind of drive-through windows here in the US. > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

My grandfather was in his 80's and riding his bicycle, when he died--fell off the bike and hit is head on the pavement. They think he had a stroke, actually. I don't think I've ever seen an 80-year-old on a bike here in the US! Dorie ----- Original Message ----- From: <JudyMcKinn@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] Walking Germans! > Boy, you aren't kidding Germans walk! When we visited my ancestral villages > a couple years ago, we were nearly walked to death. LOL I am overweight, and > knee problems run in our family, so I have painful, arthritic knees, but not > quite to the stage to have them replaced yet. Our German friends took us for > a weeks trip around the former E. German area--Meissen, Dresden, Harz > mountains, etc. Had 2 or 3 parks they wanted to show us, also, and these > were LARGE walking parks. One was Hanza (sp??) Park. They were beautiful, > and people walking all over on the footpaths thru the flowers and > landscaping. but, I though I wouldn't make it! (they said, "We have a > saying here--we walk in our parks, and Americans drive in theirs." referring > to our large parks like Yellowstone, etc.) And, there were beautiful, old > castles, etc, but the villages were ancient, so the streets were narrow, and > they didn't tear things out for parking lots, as we do here, so to visit a > castle, you parked down along the river somewhere, and climbed the hill to > the castle, then climbed the stairs in the castle! Then back down over the > cobblestones to the car (1/4 to 1/2 mile back again) The other couple we > visited ther in Germany, a retired couple who had done some genealogy work > for me, were even worse (re the walking). They lived in Magdeburg, and > didn't own a car, because they walked to their garden outside of town, where > there was a field of garden plots for rent. Everyone who wanted to rented a > garden spot, and walked out and tended it. And, the wife had diabetes, > controled by diet and exercise, and her diabetes Dr. was 7 miles, and they > biked there together every 2 weeks for her checkup. He was 72, and she was > 68, and they both belonged to an Alps hiking club, and he was the leader. The > other members were in their 30's and 40's, and I will guarantee he could > out-walk all of them. LOL It was a wonderful and beautiful trip, and the > people were great, but by the time I got home, I had to up my knee > medication, and try to recuperate! LOL. Judy > > In a message dated 6/15/01 11:59:57 AM, you wrote: > <<Isn't it true that Germans, and most Europeans, get much more exercise than > we do in the US?? Maybe that's why heart disease rates are lower there. It > seemed to me that they did a lot more walking than we do here. That was in > the 70's though, so maybe things have changed. Dorie>> > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

I had it wrong--it wasn't Jaegermeister that got the nickname of "rocket fuel", it was Ratzeputz--if I've spelled that right. Anyone out there heard of it?? Pure fire water! Awful stuff, in my opinion, but my Dad sure had fun shocking all the males in the wedding party with a taste of it! Dorie

Katy: A couple of GOOD German restaurants here in Denver and area -- not THAT far from Houston. Grab a Frontier flight and you're here !! Dave Ross

A couple of thoughts came to mind as I read Thomas' note. The United States cover roughly 50,000,000 square miles. They are 225 years old. Compare that to Germany or France or England. Germany (all European and Asian countries) built its culture on its size, population, age (roughly 2000 years), and nationalism. Accommodations were for the elite who did not care to rub elbows with the Great Unwashed. There wasn't much space to build lesser, but comfortable "inns." It was difficult to build a suitable highway across national borders. Urban planning begun centuries ago resulted in street sizes incongruous with motorized transport. The US was only 125 years old when it began offering people the means (money, personal transport, roads) to visit every corner and promoting tourism. While there are still accommodations for the "first among equals," satisfactory places became available for the "other equals" because there was room. Then the automobile "monopoly" found it profitable to lobby city governments to discontinue electric railroads and began to assist the trucking industry in selling the convenience and "low cost" of motorized highway door-to-door delivery. My description is faulty and incomplete, but maybe I have conveyed the idea that in the US we had the energy, the desire, the means, and the opportunity to go anywhere in 50,000,000 square miles that includes duplicates of almost every tourist attraction in the world. (I said "almost." Travel is being promoted world-wide because there is something else.) There may be something in this that brings about the contrasts. Remember, we are sons and daughters and venerators of the folks who maintained the Old World cultures for so many years. Stan from Livonia, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Koch" <ferdinad@omnitelcom.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > Ivan Illich calls the automobile a radical monopoly - a product that > makes other competing methods impossible or much more difficult.

You need to check out the Alpine Brauhaus at 17926 Hwy 3 in Webster (intersection of Hwy 3 and NASA Rd. 1, phone #281-332-5696). My husband and I have managed to pack on a pound or two at their place. I realize it's a distance to drive, but worth every mile. Becky Friendswood, TX -----Original Message----- From: Tina McGarry [mailto:tmccain@us.inter.net] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:37 PM To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] German restaurant OK - now my usual Friday night Chinese take-out doesn't sound so good :o) Does anyone know a German restaurant near Houston, TX? I don't see one in the online yellow pages. So many Germans settled here - I'd be surprised if there wasn't one. Tina Katy TX - near Houston ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== Check the German Food list out at: GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the message and send. ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

In a message dated 06/15/2001 10:25:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GERMAN-LIFE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Although I can't speak for all Germans, I know that my > > family walks much more than the average American here > > does. In fact, they are always astounded at the number > > and kind of drive-through windows here in the US. > > When we first came to this country back in 1952 my dad would > continue these walking tours he was used to. We'd walk all over > Philadelphia and Fairmount Park it would be right after Church for > the rest of the day. We'd take lunch with us. The trolley cars would > pass us. It was one hell of a trip to Fairmount Park that I can tell > you and the trip there was boring b ut once in the park I could run > around and climb on the statues and we could rent a canoe and life > was fun. > > Fred > I grew up in NJ and the Bronx in the 50's.....very few people owned cars at that time, as a result we walked everywhere. True there were buses but if you were use to walking (and we all were) it was faster to walk and not wait for a bus. I was shocked when we moved to CA and there was little transportation and you needed a car to go places and as a result we drove and I admit, we got somewhat lazy. When my husband and I vacation, we do lots of walking and we never seem to gain wait from all the goodies we treat ourselves to, so I always credit all the walking. Exercise like walking elevates your HDL or good cholesterol. when we returned from trip to Europe and with all the walking we did there, my HDL went from 82 to 98. Moral of the story, go to Europe all the time and walk. Betty

"Why it's the model-T Ford that made the trouble made the people wanna go, wanna get, wanna get wanna get up und go, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty two, twenty three miles to the county seat <yes sir, yes sir> who's gonna patronise the little bitty two by four kinda store anymore?" - The Music Man Ivan Illich calls the automobile a radical monopoly - a product that makes other competing methods impossible or much more difficult. Yet it does not seem to have driven out walking, bicycles, buses, or trains in Europe. An advantage of more people in closer proximity, or just more planning. My Swiss host was shocked when we compared how many people die in auto accidents in our countries - 300 versus 40,000. Perhaps not so different if you compare based on population or passenger miles. I find it astounding how far people drive to work in this country. One of the Germans I met was travelling an hour each way to work in Switzerland. Another was going about 15 k to her job. Another thing that I noticed was that my early morning train from Burbach to Haiger to Köln filled up with schoolkids at some point, many of them apparently in gradeschool. That certainly would be a boost to the public transportation system if it happens all over Europe. Here, we have a separate und costly system of schoolbuses - money which could be used in a general system of public transportation. However, I can see parents here having very real safety concerns about their kids being on buses with adult commuters und tourists und shoppers. Is Europe safer? Before I left, my family seemed all worried that I would wander into a bad part of Stuttgart or Amsterdam und be mugged, that the airports und train stations would be full of pickpockets und thieves. I did not notice such things, but except for Strassbourg und bried train stops, I stayed away from larger cities. Thomas Koch - a short drive from the new Music Man square ----- Original Message ----- From: <mona_houser@juno.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > With the demise of the small > > local stores, we're all driving, and getting more at one time. > > One could say that all of us driving to the supermarkets brought the > demise of the local stores. > > I saw it happen in my little home town in Nebraska. The local stores > were not able to compete with the supermarkets, and people were eager to > drive the distances to save a few dollars on their groceries. > > Mona > Mona_Houser@juno.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Hi Christine, I don't know. I never open an attachment when it come thru the mailing list. I received in the last 2 days 4 e-mails with attachments from that address. Katharina > >Hello Katharine, > > Is this where the snow white email is coming from?? > >Chris, >Calgary, Ab > > > > > Hi Gail, > > today I got again an E-mail from Bob."fcmb@aug.com" > > (I have my computer set now, that I will not recieve any mail from Bob) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

In Chicago, our mayor wants more people to ride bicycles, and a few streets have bike lanes. We also have bike paths along the lake front. Those are separated from auto traffic and I think are much better. I do think folks used to walk more in the U.S. I remember as a child visiting my grandparents on their Michigan farm. Grandma would go for a long walk every evening after dinner and my mother and I would go along. Most of the time Grandpa would drive into town, but Grandma would walk there too. In Chicago my mother walked to the local stores, grocery, butcher, bakery, etc. Of course she didn't do the big grocery shopping I do once a week. She went every few days and bought what she could carry. With the demise of the small local stores, we're all driving, and getting more at one time. Lois

In a message dated 06/14/2001 6:02:26 AM, GERMAN-LIFE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I enjoy all the posts and was surprised to see that someone else has a Luchow's cookbook. >> I have one of those cookbooks too. Erna

Witha all the talk about brains and other organ meat, including testicles, I thought someone else would have brought up sweetbreads. They are SO delicious. High in cholesterol, though. They are the thymus gland of a calf. You parboil them, and then skin off the membrane, bread and fry them. Yum.

> With the demise of the small > local stores, we're all driving, and getting more at one time. One could say that all of us driving to the supermarkets brought the demise of the local stores. I saw it happen in my little home town in Nebraska. The local stores were not able to compete with the supermarkets, and people were eager to drive the distances to save a few dollars on their groceries. Mona Mona_Houser@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Try the "Old Heidelberg" . I think it's on Feagan. Klaus Dieter Cook Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina McGarry" <tmccain@us.inter.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] German restaurant > OK - now my usual Friday night Chinese take-out doesn't sound so good :o) > Does anyone know a German restaurant near Houston, TX? I don't see one in > the online yellow pages. So many Germans settled here - I'd be surprised > if there wasn't one. > > Tina > Katy TX - near Houston > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Check the German Food list out at: > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the message and send. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

OK - now my usual Friday night Chinese take-out doesn't sound so good :o) Does anyone know a German restaurant near Houston, TX? I don't see one in the online yellow pages. So many Germans settled here - I'd be surprised if there wasn't one. Tina Katy TX - near Houston

Hello Katharina I don't open them either. Snow White is in the subject line so I know that it is a virus and my Nortons always picks it up,however. I used to get it everyday a while back, but haven't seen it for a long time until today. I've never figured out where it was coming from though. Chris, Calgary, Ab ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katharina Hines" <hines60@hotmail.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] Re: Vacations > Hi Christine, > I don't know. I never open an attachment when it come thru the mailing list. > I received in the last 2 days 4 e-mails with attachments from that address. > Katharina > > > >Hello Katharine, > > > > Is this where the snow white email is coming from?? > > > >Chris, > >Calgary, Ab > > > > > > > > > Hi Gail, > > > today I got again an E-mail from Bob."fcmb@aug.com" > > > (I have my computer set now, that I will not recieve any mail from Bob) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

My mother also cooked and served brains. She would cook them with scramled eggs, and we had them for breakfest. RalphVest ----- Original Message ----- From: <GERMAN-LIFE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:57 AM Subject: GERMAN-LIFE-D Digest V01 #215

"Becherovka" Dave, not "Berechovka" :) Heinz _________________________ Heinz L. Zulauf Flotowstrasse 9 D-64287 Darmstadt Germany zulauf@bigfoot.de _______________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Newtross@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] Re: Fish > On our recent trip, we discovered a Great Czech Schnapps, "BERECHOVKA (well, > the bottle is upstairs, but that's close !!) -- a snappy liqueur. And, like > so much else in the Czech Republik, not expensive. We'll drink it sparingly > :-))) > > Dave > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Hi Gail, today I got again an E-mail from Bob."fcmb@aug.com" (I have my computer set now, that I will not recieve any mail from Bob) from the German food list with an attachment. It has my recipe for Königsberger Klops in the e-mai. Over the weekend I am writing myself out of the Life and Food lists, because I am going again to Hamburg for the sea burial of my aunt in the "Ostsee". When I come back I will post my experience of the sea burial on the German life list. If that is ok with you. Katharina _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com