In a message dated 06/18/2001 4:54:06 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Newtross@aol.com writes: > > Ruth: The Café Berlin (or Berliner Café) on 17th (and about Race) we > consider > to be excellent. Cody's Inn on Lookout Mountain for Sunday brunch > (reservations only, opening at 11:00 AM) is a good and fun place. And > there's one up Coal Creek Canyon, near Wondervue, the name evading me at > the > moment (it's VERY early !!) > > A lot of people swear by Helga's in Aurora, but we tend toward the others. > > Thanks, Dave. These places are new to me, so we will have to go try them out. I haven't had any good German restaurant food for a while! Ruth

Wow Fred, you are off to a bad start!! When you ramble around in Colorado yell and maybe I will hear the echo. Will be at the lake from about the 9th thru the 22nd.. Gotta cool off!! Gail

Is the Black Forrest Inn still near Evergreen? We liked that and we used to eat at one in Blackhawk before they opened Central City to gambling.. I have been gone from Denver 20+ years.. Gail

I saw gas yesterday here for $1.37. Gail AZ

$1.67-$1.78 (regular unleaded) here in Denver area !! Dave Ross

Dear Fred, Your tale of the whale is a whale of a tale. Sorry about your discomfort and tribulation. Hope things get normal right quick. Happier new trails. Stan from Livonia, Michigan new e-mail address cownabor@htdconnect.com

On 16 Jun 2001, at 12:25, mona_houser@juno.com wrote: > I have to chuckle when I think of the size (width) of streets. When > my little home town in Nebraska was laid out in 1890, when the train > company decided to put a station at that spot, the streets were built > to accommodate a terrific boom that apparently never happened. Main > street is so wide that there is room for diagonal parking on each > side, and a row of diagonal parking in the middle, with one driving > lane between the side and the middle. > > Mona Since Mona told me I'd be passing through her town of Festus, MO and I didn't want her standing on the side of the road waiting to wave, I'll pass this little dialog on from another list. It has something to do with streets too. :-) On 16 Jun 2001, at 16:22, mcarey@msiusa.com wrote: > Aaron, I just filled up in New Jersey at $1.31. It's been at that > price about 10 days. Flying J is down to $1.28 in Southern NJ. I > believe it all has to do with a lower state tax. > > Mike (NJ) Diesel on the PA Extension of the turnpike was $1.47. I figured I'd wait til I get off and go ter cheaper Petro truckstop on rt 80 & X-36 as always used to be the case. Wonder of wonders; there it was $1.57. They also stopped taking Exxon and Mobil credit cards. I'm presently sitting in the neighbourhood of Ashland, OH at a campground called Hickory Lakes in West Salem. I had planned to be in Hannibal, MO tomorrow. Things turned ugly when, in a last minute task and the engine running before I took off from home, a bee stung me in the right eyebrow. I just wanted to move the wheelbarrow which was still sitting next to a small pile of compost with a pitchfork in it. As I pulled the pitchfork, I must have disturbed a hive under the pile and one came straight at me like a stuka divebomber and went for my face. I tried to brush him off but his stinger was first. So I just moved the wheelborrow into the garage and took off. Yesterday the area around the eye started to swell up but I was fine and arrived in OH at 5:45PM. We laft at 9:30 AM from Beverly, NJ The idea was to get as close as possible to Columbus, OH on the first leg of our trip and we were pulling off I71 to spend the night at a truckstop. There was a sign right there for Hickory Lakes campground: 7.6 miles straight ahead. I decided on the campground because it was still early and our granddaughter would enjoy it there a little more then among a bunch of trucks. The straight ahead road lead to a T. Wonderful! I chose the wrong turn as usual and made a left. This took us into Ashland where I pulled into a service station. They pointed us back in the other direction. he question was can I make the u-turn? My wife says, "Sure!". I wasn't so sure and as we all know, there is no backup in a turn and in the middle of Rt 250. It's the telephone poles at the street corners which usually present the problem. I made it with 6 inches to spare. So we now look for the campground. My wife finds it in the 1999 Trailer Life book. I was looking in the 2001 version and couldn't find it. There it was under Rosebaugh, OH in the old book and with 50 amps. Well, they must handle larger rigs. So, we felt secure and moved on looking for a sign. There it was leading us on a 90 degree sharp turn onto a one lane road with signs on each corner. I had to thread the needle to make the turn. Eventually there came another sign to make a right at another one lane road. Take two such things and cross them and you get trouble with the turn with a 45 footer with a car behind. The rear wheels sunk into the soft grass and the rig bounced through with plenty of pressure to the pedal. If you go to slow you're stuck. The car bounced behind us and we made it. Now we are faced with a farm road with trees hanging low and wonder were fate is taking us. Eventually the entrance sign to the campground appears. Holy moly I'll never make the turn into their driveway. I park the rig in the street with flashers on and walk over to the building where on registers. There were about 10 people in there watching me or better the rig sitting at the bottom of the driveway. I'll skip all the comments but it was plain that something that big had never been here before. Yes they had a spot and yes it had 50 amps. If I can unhook I should be able to make it, they say. I walk back and by now there are a bunch of cars on both sides of us trying to use the road. I didn'tthink 'anybody' used that road. You have trouble passing each other without driving into the ditch. There also was this bridge with a weight capacity of 30 tons which was not much wider then my 102 inches. So we make it and settle into a nice spot and settled down etc etc. The park population made the rounds inspecting what had pulled into their life. There are all kinds of campers here for father's day I guess. Trents, trailers, 5th wheels and smaller class As. Mostly the locals are here and many have their mobile homes set up in the park. The campfires smelled wonderful and the whole place reminded me of times gone past when our kids were young and we did the tenting scene. This morning I woke up with my entire right side of my face looking like that of the elephant man. My eye was completely shut and there was no way I could open it. We decided to stay the day and called Hannibal to change our arrival. I took a sudafed and later some benedryls and put an ice pack on my face and rested. It's not going away and I was starting to get worried as to how long this swelling might last. The folks at the office here suggested I go to the emergency room and get a shot. One guy there claimed to have bee sting allergy and that the shot made to swelling go away in one day. So we're off to the emergency ward and we find it as we wind our way along a whole series of (H) hospital signs. Should have taken a map with us. The emergency room asks all the pertinent qestions and gives me a full physical. I tried to explain that all I wanted was a shot of something to make the swelling go down. No dice. Eventually the doctor shows up for a full 10 seconds aand tells me that he's going to prescribe some pills and some salve for my infected eye. Didn't know I had an infected eye. Half an hour later the nurse comes into my little curtained cubicle and describes all the medication I have to take. Three different pills and the salve. Like this stuff will take up to 7 days to go away because that's how long I have to take the pills on different schedules. I rest some more as these things make you sleepy but eventually wander over to the payphone where they had a modem jack installed int it. That is outside without a table or anythng but at least they had a jack. I picked up 195 messages and decided to respond to this one without my glasses on and with my face about three inches from the screen and keyboard. I hope I didn't make too many mistakes but at least you can be part of my 'adventure'. We'll see what the morning will bring but if my eye isn't available for us yet, I brought some tape with me and simply tape it open. I drove the jeep to and back from the hospital and one can drive with one eye but I'd rather have a little extra to get a better fix on distances which is important with a behomoth. Fred

Ruth: The Café Berlin (or Berliner Café) on 17th (and about Race) we consider to be excellent. Cody's Inn on Lookout Mountain for Sunday brunch (reservations only, opening at 11:00 AM) is a good and fun place. And there's one up Coal Creek Canyon, near Wondervue, the name evading me at the moment (it's VERY early !!) A lot of people swear by Helga's in Aurora, but we tend toward the others. Dave Ross

Please allow me to correct a remark I made in an earlier missive about the size of the USA. I said 50,000,000 square miles. I should have said 5,000,000 square miles. Although the smaller figure is also wrong (the subject letter says 3, 028,811), my purpose was to make a comparison between the opportunities to spread out that compressed the old world and expanded the new world adventure. I hope you will forgive my error. Stan from Livonia, Michigan new e-mail address cownabor@htdconnect.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Koch" <ferdinad@omnitelcom.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] land areas > My atlas is from 1967, but I do not believe the size has changed: > > BRD - 95,914 sq. mi. (West Germany) > DDR - 41,535 sq. mi. (East Germany) > tot - 137, 449 > > > USA 48 states - 3, 028, 811

One answer is that they ride bicycles and walk. something most of us Americans have forgotten how to do. You do not see many "fat" Germans. Gloria

Hi, I have been typing up some old letters. One of them says they're having "reelish" for dinner....now surely this has to be either radish or relish. Do either of these items sound right? This letter is written in 1893 from the homestead in WA. The writer's second language is English so this may be a word from Denglisch actually (English+Deutsch). Any ideas? I saw a German-American show on PBS and I remember a segment on German pickles and wondered if it could be something like that... Thanks/Vielen Dank, Sue in Seattle

My atlas is from 1967, but I do not believe the size has changed: BRD - 95,914 sq. mi. (West Germany) DDR - 41,535 sq. mi. (East Germany) tot - 137, 449 CH - 15, 944 (Switzerland) Austria - 32, 369 Luxembourg - 999 Lichtenstein - 63 some states Illinois - 50, 400 Idaho - 83, 557 Connecticutt - 5, 009 Colorado - 104, 247 Alaska - 586, 400 USA 48 states - 3, 028, 811 Montana - 147, 138 Wisconsin - 56, 154 South Carolina - 31, 055 Pennsylvania - 45,333 (smaller than Wisconsin - surprising) Michigan - 58, 216 (how much of that is Lakes?) Rhode Island - 1, 214 Quebec, Canada - 594, 860 Hawaii - 6, 424 Thomas Koch, satisfying my curiousity ----- Original Message ----- From: mary green <greendmj@internetni.com> To: Thomas Koch <ferdinad@omnitelcom.com> Cc: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > If you compared all of Germany today to the state of Wisconsin, or one of these midwestern > states, how would they compare sizewise...........Germany is about the size of the state of ? > Mary > >

If you compared all of Germany today to the state of Wisconsin, or one of these midwestern states, how would they compare sizewise...........Germany is about the size of the state of ? Mary

My grandfather had his picture taken on his bicyle for Columbus, IN newspaper .... age 100. He was angry that they didn't take the picture of him riding backwards which he often did. He rode 7 miles a day for years. Nationality? German, of course! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike and Dorie Brennecke" <doitnow@netins.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] Walking Germans! > My grandfather was in his 80's and riding his bicycle, when he died--fell > off the bike and hit is head on the pavement. They think he had a stroke, > actually. I don't think I've ever seen an 80-year-old on a bike here in the > US! Dorie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JudyMcKinn@aol.com> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:17 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] Walking Germans! > > > > Boy, you aren't kidding Germans walk! When we visited my ancestral > villages > > a couple years ago, we were nearly walked to death. LOL I am overweight, > and > > knee problems run in our family, so I have painful, arthritic knees, but > not > > quite to the stage to have them replaced yet. Our German friends took us > for > > a weeks trip around the former E. German area--Meissen, Dresden, Harz > > mountains, etc. Had 2 or 3 parks they wanted to show us, also, and these > > were LARGE walking parks. One was Hanza (sp??) Park. They were > beautiful, > > and people walking all over on the footpaths thru the flowers and > > landscaping. but, I though I wouldn't make it! (they said, "We have a > > saying here--we walk in our parks, and Americans drive in theirs." > referring > > to our large parks like Yellowstone, etc.) And, there were beautiful, old > > castles, etc, but the villages were ancient, so the streets were narrow, > and > > they didn't tear things out for parking lots, as we do here, so to visit a > > castle, you parked down along the river somewhere, and climbed the hill > to > > the castle, then climbed the stairs in the castle! Then back down over > the > > cobblestones to the car (1/4 to 1/2 mile back again) The other couple we > > visited ther in Germany, a retired couple who had done some genealogy work > > for me, were even worse (re the walking). They lived in Magdeburg, and > > didn't own a car, because they walked to their garden outside of town, > where > > there was a field of garden plots for rent. Everyone who wanted to rented > a > > garden spot, and walked out and tended it. And, the wife had diabetes, > > controled by diet and exercise, and her diabetes Dr. was 7 miles, and they > > biked there together every 2 weeks for her checkup. He was 72, and she > was > > 68, and they both belonged to an Alps hiking club, and he was the leader. > The > > other members were in their 30's and 40's, and I will guarantee he could > > out-walk all of them. LOL It was a wonderful and beautiful trip, and the > > people were great, but by the time I got home, I had to up my knee > > medication, and try to recuperate! LOL. Judy > > > > In a message dated 6/15/01 11:59:57 AM, you wrote: > > <<Isn't it true that Germans, and most Europeans, get much more exercise > than > > we do in the US?? Maybe that's why heart disease rates are lower there. > It > > seemed to me that they did a lot more walking than we do here. That was > in > > the 70's though, so maybe things have changed. Dorie>> > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > Complaints: > > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > ______________________________

>My grandfather was in his 80's and riding his bicycle, >when he died--fell >off the bike and hit is head on the pavement. They >think he had a stroke, >actually. I don't think I've ever seen an 80-year-old >on a bike here in the >US! Dorie A nearly 80 year old guy who used to work with my hubby not only still rides a bike regularly, he skate boards, does inline skating, skis and does those ski boards! I don't know if he's German or not! lol His last name is Denny. I haven't a clue what nationality that would be.

I was born and raised in South Dakota of German parents. Until I started reading the message sent to this list and the German Food list, I always thought my background was due to the severe depression/poverty of the state. Instead, i'm finding it's german customs ...... i too ate brains, tongue, heart, liver 'n dumplings (no eel ... this was SD) .....rocky mt oysters (testicles not brain), .... smelt i discovered on my own (deep fried with a beer). Anyone have dandelion greens? I tried to drink all the German beer i could on my one trip to Germany, but refused to order any that could be bought in the US. Thank you all for showing me aspects of my german heritage. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GERMAN-LIFE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: GERMAN-LIFE-D Digest V01 #215

The thing is, our workplaces, shopping und family are becoming further away, because the automobile makes this possible. Thus making life very difficult without it. Urban sprawl is not inevitable, but rather a result of our planning, or lack of planning, that makes our cities grow that way. If you added up all the acreage that is devoted to parking lots und highways in this country, how much would that total area be? The size of England at leat. Thomas Koch ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike and Dorie Brennecke <doitnow@netins.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > I think that our workplaces and shopping areas in the US are so far from > home that it makes it rather unrealistic to think of walking instead of > driving. Everything is so much bigger here, and spread out, while in Europe > there is less land and the population is more concentrated, so things are > closer to home. Plus, we are just too "busy" in our lives. On top of that, > we have developed such a fascination our cars, unfortunately! > Dorie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Bailey <r.bailey@home.com> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > > > I'm really not sure what it's like in the cities in the states but here in > > Calgary we have tons of walking/biking trails. How ever I believe that > > because the U.S. and Canada have really gone away from the small > > neighborhood shops, unlike in Germany, and to the many chain stores, that > > seem to congregate in one commercial area we've lost a great deal. In my > > area of the city I don't even have a 7-11 to go to. It takes me ten > minutes > > just to drive to the nearest grocery store and about 20 to get to the > > nearest mall. What do you all think? > > > > Chris, > > Calgary, Ab > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karin Book" <karin4467@yahoo.com> > > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:13 AM > > Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] German walking habits > > > > > > > Although I can't speak for all Germans, I know that my > > > family walks much more than the average American here > > > does. In fact, they are always astounded at the number > > > and kind of drive-through windows here in the US. > > > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Dave, Just curious. I live in the Denver area. Which are the German restaurants that you consider good? Ruth

I have to chuckle when I think of the size (width) of streets. When my little home town in Nebraska was laid out in 1890, when the train company decided to put a station at that spot, the streets were built to accommodate a terrific boom that apparently never happened. Main street is so wide that there is room for diagonal parking on each side, and a row of diagonal parking in the middle, with one driving lane between the side and the middle. Mona On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:13:16 -0400 "Stanley A. Wickman" <cownabor@htdconnect.com> writes: > A couple of thoughts came to mind as I read Thomas' note. > > The United States cover roughly 50,000,000 square miles. They are > 225 years > old. Compare that to Germany or France or England. > > Germany (all European and Asian countries) built its culture on its > size, > population, age (roughly 2000 years), and nationalism. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi, When I meet my husband in Germany,some years ago, he told me, when ever we are going back to the USA, he is never going to walk again. Even if he has to go across the street. He said, if we should walk all the time, God never helped us to invent cars. I my home town (Göttingen) in the old part of the town, the streets are so narrow (the cars park on both side of the street)on a two way street, with side walks on both sides. We walked on the side walks and to cars meet. One of the cars drove on the side walk, were I was walking, I had to step inside the entrance on one of the houses, so both cars could drive on that street. My husband was behind me, he took a picture of it. We are still laughing about it. He told every one, I looked like spider man climbing up on the house wall. When I was in Oldenburg , that is a town were every one rides a bike. Every were you look there are bikes. You have to watch them also, because the sidewalks are made for bikers and people who walk. Some of the people are in a big hurry, they just drive between the walking people. I couldn't believe my eyes, when a police man ticked a bike rider for some thing. The bike rider was sure made, you could tell he talked to the police man pretty bad. But I still like my walking, for health reason I can't walk very far. But when I walk that is the best time for me to sort out things. If I have some thing on my mind, by the time I am through walking, I have every thing straighten out. My husband kept his word, he will not walk very much. Katharina _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com