Hello Listers. I am a prodigal son, who booked off on the 25th of April, just before my wife Sonja, (B. 22-7-40, Burstadt, Worms, raised in Heilbronn/Sontheim, Emigrated to Canada in 1959, and married me on 23-4-1963) and I left Toronto for Stuttgart via Frankfurt. The highlight of our trip took place on May 1st, when we were included in a group of persons from the Heilbronn/Schozach area,who went on the traditional May 1st "Wanderung". It began at noon , when we partook of a "feast" of Beer and Schnaps, and Bayerische Weisswurst with sweet Mustard. We then took off by foot through the vineyards always up hill, naturally, and found our way to a secluded spot in a Wald, where we told stories, and generally had a good time. An hour later we wandered back to where we had come from, where we had another feast later that evening at our host's of hot leberkaese with a spiegeleier on top, with the appropriate wines. Needless to say our host did himself well.. Four days later, Sonja and I took off in a rented car to the Black Forest, a trip we have taken for the last four years. South from Freudenstadt, through the Wolfach Valley, south from OberWolfachand, and Wolfach along Hwy 33, to the very winding road over the pass direction ELZACH. At the top of the pass, at the Gasthaus, we stopped and picked up our traditional two bottles of Blueberry Wine. From there we went though the southern Schwartzwald and St. Georgen, to the source of the Danube, and along the Danube to where half of the flow disappears into the ground and ends up in the Ostsee, (Baltic Sea) and the above ground flow ends up in the Black Sea. We stayed overnight in a small hotel in a small village just before we came to Sigmaringen. The thing I remember about this place was the excellent food, and the Church bell that struck every 15 minutes and on the hour, throughout the night I think it was just outside our window, and the Electrified train that went roaring through (just outside our window) every half hour. The next day, we entered Bavaria and went through some of the nicest and most beautiful countryside we have ever seen. This was the foothills of the Karwendel Gebirge and the Bavarian Alps. We stayed overnight on the Kochelsee, at the same hotel that we stayed at 35 years ago when we had three young daughters, two of whom were born in Munich, Germany. This was completely by chance, not by design. We became aware of this , because after all those years, we recognized the place where we had seen a flotilla of about 9 swans, in battle array, approaching us on the beach. I fed one of them and received a very painful nip on my finger. From there we travelled to the small village of Au in Bavaria, just south of Bad Aibling on the Autobahn from Munich to Salzburg. where my wife has cousins and an Aunt. (Wow, does she have cousins and Aunts in Germany, and every time we visit one of them, out comes the Conditerei-every one comes out with four very rich wonderful conditerei which must be eaten, as well at the end, a full German meal with all the trimmings.) After three days, we travelled back to the Heilbronn/Stuttgart area, and ended up for four days before we returned to Canda on the 23 May, helping an old and dear friend of my wife's, whose husband had died four your previously, move from the family home into a condominium, in Flein, just outside of Heilbronn. One of the most moving parts of my visit was a walk we took in the evening, just before we left to come home, from the new apartment in Flein across the fields, to Sontheim, a suburb of Heilbronn, where they had grown up: and hear them talking about the old places and the adventures they had and reminisce about the old days. There, you were all mentioning the lack of activity on this list. You have it now. Ralf Aldrich >Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 13:49:47 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: zulauf@wondernet.de Sat Jun 9 13:49:47 2001 >X-Sent: 9 Jun 2001 19:49:41 GMT >Reply-To: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@bigfoot.de> >From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@wondernet.de> >Old-To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:50:49 +0200 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4295 >X-Loop: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Zu Hause, am Computer :) >_________________________ >Heinz L. Zulauf >Flotowstrasse 9 >D-64287 Darmstadt >Germany >zulauf@bigfoot.de >_______________________ >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Newtross@aol.com> >To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:37 PM >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > >> Heinz, wo bist Du ?? >> >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >> Complaints: >> Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >> >> > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: >GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the message and send. > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Yes, they would..there were a lot that entered thru Ellis Island that were of US citizenship. g

Well, being new to a computer and genealogy, it felt like being shot. It did teach me not to post unless I knew what I was talking about. Now I just sit back and read. I learn a lot that way and am entertained at the same time. There is always the delete botton if I don't like a thread. Well, enough said.....Barbara >From: Newtross@aol.com >Reply-To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:36:12 EDT > > > >Nobody gets "shot down" -- we just get some lumps :-))) > >Dave Ross > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: >GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the >message and send. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Heinz, wo bist Du ??

Nobody gets "shot down" -- we just get some lumps :-))) Dave Ross

Heinz is taking the week off to listen to all 20,000 of his CDs :-))) Dave Ross

Barbara: The message flow is spasmodic. Your patience will be rewarded, for this is a marvelous site. David and Carol (Benck) Ross Surnames for David Newton Ross; Denver, CO NEWTROSS@aol.com Ross (both sides); Owen; Wright (end of great-grandparent surnames): Alt; Bacher; Beckett; Bishop; Blue; Broad; Burton; Cole; Colonii/Colonius; Cooper; Critton/Critten; Damen; Deaver/Dever/Devor; Dechant/Dechen/Dechent; Dennis; Diebold/Debold; Dietrich; Demmitt/Dimmitt; Fox (Vogt); Frame; Franck; Frey; Garrett; Garth; Gies; Grimmel; Haas; Haggerty; Hawkins; Hehl/Heel; Heinemann; Hemler; Henry; Holzhausen; Jack; Jakobi/Jacoby; Jockers ; Johnson; Jones; Kirchhofer/Kirchhofter; La Roux/La Rue; Lane; Laubenstein; Laubscher; Leitner/Lightner; Loy/Leÿ; Lubberger; Mantz; Martense; Massey; Miller; Müll; Musser; Nesen/Schunck; Niese (a form of Nesen); Ogden; Parks; Parrish; Perrine/Prine; Proctor; Rambler/Rammler; Reed; Sale; Sharpe; Sharrett; Shell/Sheel; Shultz; Simonton; Smith; Sontag; Spriggs; Steurer; Stone; Treon/Trion/Drion; Trout/Troud/Traudt; Tutt; Usile; Vogt (Fox); Walker; Wallauer/Wallaner; Waters; Witt; Zoll Surnames for Carol M. (Benck) Ross (same e-mail address) Ackermann, Auler, Bauer, Baumann, Benck, Benker, Brauer, Brechwalt, Bruhn, Crackow, Dietel, Doehler/Dohler/Döhla/Döla, Ebels, Edelmann, Eiden, Elling, Erdmann, Evert(s), Fabig, Fehres, Fischer, Frehse, Grewe/Greve, Grube, Gruber, Gundlach, Haase, Haidig, Harder, Hartleb, Hertrich, Höffter, Höpner, Jarchow, Joern/Jörn, Junger, Katers, Kayser, Keppel, Kich, Kielgast, Kießling, Klemm, Knoll, Koch/Kock, Kriegling/Kritzlin, Krumm, Lang, Lauer, Linow, Möller/Müller, Peltzer, Petri/Petry, Pfeufer, Putz, Reinhardt, Rössler, Rübel, Rüp, Schiffmann, Schmidt, Schneider, Schroeder/Schröder, Schwab, Seiferth/Seifert, Sittig, Steiner, Taubmann, Thiel, Wagner, Wehrmann

On 9 Jun 2001, at 12:00, Barbara Heiles wrote: > I thought perhaps Rootsweb was down or something. Maybe everyone is on > vacation.....BVH > I think it's more like I haven't posted anything which Heinz disagrees with. A little controversity is always the spice of life. Fred

Okay, let's have a little spice. It doesn't take much to get Heinz going. He shot me down the first summer I was on the computer and I've posted very little since. It takes a German to best a German. I'm German but it's been watered down for 270 years. Well anyway, I'm glad to know someone else is out there lurking. BVH >From: fredrump@earthlink.net >Reply-To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:21:21 -0400 > >On 9 Jun 2001, at 12:00, Barbara Heiles wrote: > > > I thought perhaps Rootsweb was down or something. Maybe everyone is on > > vacation.....BVH > > > >I think it's more like I haven't posted anything which Heinz >disagrees with. A little controversity is always the spice of life. > >Fred > > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: >GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word >UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I thought perhaps Rootsweb was down or something. Maybe everyone is on vacation.....BVH >From: "Mike and Dorie Brennecke" <doitnow@netins.net> >Reply-To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:40:31 -0500 > >At times it gets quiet, and at times it is really active. You just hit a >slow stretch, I think! Welcome! Dorie >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Usrbrbrbr@netscape.net> >To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:26 AM >Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > > > I RECENTLY SUBSCRIBED BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY MAIL. IS THIS LIST >ALWAYS >THIS INACTIVE? BR > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: >GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

True Fred!! I think you, Tom and Heinz are at a truce right now....;-) Gail

Well, if everyone is bored let us start a new topic... Ellis Island.. I was heart broken when I searched the site and did not find my grandfather who came over in January 1909. [And, I checked variant spellings] A email friend from another site searched records for me in Salt Lake and there he was right where he was suppose to be on the right ship, right dates, right connection, right everything except he is not listed on the Ellis Island site.. she sent me the information while he was held in detention waiting for his friend, right down to how many meals he ate while he was being held. I have a big smile now knowing all the info that I had gathered is, in fact, true but my kids or grandkids will not find him on the Internet. Gail

Enjoy it, and don't complain when it gets wound up and really active and you have mega posts...:-) Gail

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At times it gets quiet, and at times it is really active. You just hit a slow stretch, I think! Welcome! Dorie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Usrbrbrbr@netscape.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > I RECENTLY SUBSCRIBED BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY MAIL. IS THIS LIST ALWAYS THIS INACTIVE? BR > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

A lot of emails are bouncing... please read below!! PASSWORD CENTRAL http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Going on vacation or an extended business trip and worried that your e-mail will overflow while you are gone? Go to PASSWORD CENTRAL http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ , type your e-mail address, and ask for a list of all the RootsWeb-hosted mailing lists to which you are subscribed. In a few minutes, you will receive an e-mail with the requested list. Send an e-mail that says only UNSUBSCRIBE in the message to EVERY list, using an address in this form: [NAME-OF-LIST]-L-request@rootsweb.com or [NAME-OF-LIST]-D-request@rootsweb.com . When you return and are ready to begin receiving e-mail, just subscribe again. Gail Meyer Kilgore Casa Grande, AZ

This is also true in Switzerland -- they will only give you direct line of decendency -- cannot find out about my uncles, aunts, cousins either. Your only hope is to go through the telephone book and try to contact people. I was told that in Switzerland there was a form of McCarthyism and any questionable activity caused a notation to be placed on an individuals record. It was related to me that a Bishop had a notation placed on his record because a fellow Bishop or other such position from the same order from Russia stayed with him for a week. So they have now protected the records, because many situations occurred because of the recorded notations and suspicions. Perhaps it was similar in Germany. Not good for us as genealogists. I had even been denied direct family information, because I did not have proof of my descendency, even though I had pictures of my father and grandfather and my grandfather's name is noted on the picture because it was published, my grandmother's death notice. I made sure that I brought a birth cert this time in case this happened again -- and the funny thing is that I went to the same town for civil records with the same clerk and she didn't even want proof this time and gave me my information. I can't figure it. Many of the town records cannot even be viewed because there are other families on the pages and they will not even photocopy the page. Then there are towns that will photocopy the page but cut off any other information -- this seems to be in the smaller towns. State archives that I've visited are more lenient. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Dieter Cook" <kcook@signalgraphics-hou.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] American economics up close und personal > Laura, > > I don't know what the Datenschutz was supposed to accomplish, but it has > really put a crimp in me discovering any half-brothers or sisters that I > might have. My Father remarried in Germany two times after my mother > divorced him. I can find out everything about him and who he married. > However I cannot get information about any children unless I have their > express permission for this information. You figure ...... > > Klaus Dieter Cook, > Houston, Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura A Hine" <laura.ann.hine@juno.com> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] American economics up close und personal > > > > Hi Fred and all: > > > > This particular statement that you made caught my attention: > > > > > The law surrounds you everywhere from having to report to the police > > > (Einwohnermeldeamt) if you move, to trying to find out where your > > > cousin lives. The local Heimatvereine (local history societies) > > > can't > > > print the years' births and deaths for fear of the > > > Datenschutzpolizei > > > comming to knock on their door. So much for future historians who > > > would like to do research on the topic. They'll need to wait another > > > > > > 110 years to obtain that data from the government. > > > > > > Fred > > > > I live in the United States and I would like to ask for what reason does > > the government in Germany have a law that you can't find where your > > cousin lives? I have been corresponding with a few others in Germany > > that share the same name "Postier" as my ancestors, and they have been > > very helpful. However, in their replies, they do not know where their > > cousins live. They can give a general area, but have no idea exactly > > where. I am just wondering why the laws impose such restrictions on such > > data. I could maybe understand not printing birthdates for the general > > public to see. We have some of the same concerns here in the United > > States about mother's maiden names, and birthdates being published or > > shown, for credit purposes etc., but why such secrecy in Germany about > > where people live? > > > > Any help in understanding this would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Laura Hine > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from digest mode send a message to: > > GERMAN-LIFE-D-request@rootsweb.com and add the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the > message and send. > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from digest mode send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-D-request@rootsweb.com and add the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message and send. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

I'm catching up on email since I was away -- I just wanted to let you know that you should never cover any vintage fabric with plastic -- actually no fabric should be stored in plastic bags or the like. Acid free boxes and tissue paper should be used to store it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ATKEY1234@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] Handmade Linen Cloth > If you are afraid of it getting harmed as a dresser scarf cover it with a > plastic like that that comes on garment bags etc. It sound like the perfect > size for that use. > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

I did read the 2nd part of your story, Fred. I suppose I posted just before the "list" came to me with the 2nd half in it. Wonderful and interesting story. Thanks, Judy

----- Original Message ----- From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump@earthlink.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] workers of the world > On 1 Jun 2001, at 15:52, Thomas Koch wrote: > > > The business owner perhaps is less a slave of the customer in > > Deutschland. I could have stayed in business if I had sold pornography > > or The National Enquirer or cigarettes, instead of trying to offer > > great literature. Think of the freedom in Deustchland of the business > > owner who does not have to put in a 12 hour day, or the employees who > > do not have to work the night shift. > > That is precisely their reasoning. They are protecting the worker > from working, therefore the high unemployment rate. The unions and > other special interest groups obviously have something to do with > this too. > If you are in a prosperous country, as Amerika claims to be, then your citizens should be free from excessive work hours und bad working conditions. Unemployment may be less of a concern to the unemployed if there is a strong safety net. As far as the idleness goes, I have no problem with a public service workfare for those on unemployment or disability. There are plenty of things that society needs done. > People are telling me that Germany is changing though, little by > little. Service is coming into style. Businesses large and small are > trying hard to woo the customer even though they have other handicaps > to work with. At least they are trying to smile now. :-) > I forgot to quote R.H. Tawney last time. I believe he said something like: "the essence of commercialism is not any particular arrangement of production or distribution. It is an over-estimation of the importance of commerce." > The German government also has to adjust to European rules of > competition which will permit discounts and price differential. > Walmart has won a few cases where they had offered products for less > then some other store and actually won but lost others. It's still a > legal hassle over and over again until the law is changed permanently > though. > John Ruskin said: "Government und co-operation are always und in all things the laws of life. Anarchy und competition are always und in all things the laws of death." Choose life. > They will also have to permit advertisements which actually compare > products. That's also not permitted in Germany today. Can't say mine > is better then yours. That's against the law. But it will change. > > Books will also have to come out of fixed price protection in a new > Europe but then the French like that rule too and it may last a while > longer. The whole idea here is to protect the small publisher who has > to keep his prises high to survive. It's also supposed to produce > more books as they can afford to print them if all prices are high. > Books are my trade, und I did not see expensive ones auf Deutschland. Certainly not like Switzerland, 15 Francs for what would cost 15 DM. (Huge difference if I know my exchange rates, $6.5 compared to about $12.) The Amerikan authors were sold at Amerikan prices. My history of Spaichingen was very reasonable at 40 DM. In Amerika, you would pay $40 or $50 easily for a specialty book like that. The history of the Bishopric of Konstanz was either 90 DM or 110 DM, either way out of my price range for a book I would have to painstakingly translate, but not unreasonable by Amerikan standards. It was a very thick book, und again, certainly not mass produced. Thomas Koch