Thomas: There were LOTS of us over there, apparently !! Enjoyed your little tale, too. Thanks for sharing. That area around the Bodensee and the Ueberlingersee is one of our favorite areas, but there are so many "favorite" areas:-))) Dave Ross

Ralf: Your story of your trip has made very enjoyable reading for us. I was stationed in Heilbronn/Neckar 1n 1959-60. We've just recently returned from our 12th trip (mostly for research, but also for traveling and enjoyment) to Germany. In all the years of our traveling over there, I think we've been to every place you mentioned, and the reading of YOUR experiences has brought back a lot of memories pof [places we've not visited for awhile !! Thanks for sharing Dave and Carol Ross David and Carol (Benck) Ross Surnames for David Newton Ross; Denver, CO NEWTROSS@aol.com Ross (both sides); Owen; Wright (end of great-grandparent surnames): Alt; Bacher; Beckett; Bishop; Blue; Broad; Burton; Cole; Colonii/Colonius; Cooper; Critton/Critten; Damen; Deaver/Dever/Devor; Dechant/Dechen/Dechent; Dennis; Diebold/Debold; Dietrich; Demmitt/Dimmitt; Fox (Vogt); Frame; Franck; Frey; Garrett; Garth; Gies; Grimmel; Haas; Haggerty; Hawkins; Hehl/Heel; Heinemann; Hemler; Henry; Holzhausen; Jack; Jakobi/Jacoby; Jockers ; Johnson; Jones; Kirchhofer/Kirchhofter; La Roux/La Rue; Lane; Laubenstein; Laubscher; Leitner/Lightner; Loy/Leÿ; Lubberger; Mantz; Martense; Massey; Miller; Müll; Musser; Nesen/Schunck; Niese (a form of Nesen); Ogden; Parks; Parrish; Perrine/Prine; Proctor; Rambler/Rammler; Reed; Sale; Sharpe; Sharrett; Shell/Sheel; Shultz; Simonton; Smith; Sontag; Spriggs; Steurer; Stone; Treon/Trion/Drion; Trout/Troud/Traudt; Tutt; Usile; Vogt (Fox); Walker; Wallauer/Wallaner; Waters; Witt; Zoll Surnames for Carol M. (Benck) Ross (same e-mail address) Ackermann, Auler, Bauer, Baumann, Benck, Benker, Brauer, Brechwalt, Bruhn, Crackow, Dietel, Doehler/Dohler/Döhla/Döla, Ebels, Edelmann, Eiden, Elling, Erdmann, Evert(s), Fabig, Fehres, Fischer, Frehse, Grewe/Greve, Grube, Gruber, Gundlach, Haase, Haidig, Harder, Hartleb, Hertrich, Höffter, Höpner, Jarchow, Joern/Jörn, Junger, Katers, Kayser, Keppel, Kich, Kielgast, Kießling, Klemm, Knoll, Koch/Kock, Kriegling/Kritzlin, Krumm, Lang, Lauer, Linow, Möller/Müller, Peltzer, Petri/Petry, Pfeufer, Putz, Reinhardt, Rössler, Rübel, Rüp, Schiffmann, Schmidt, Schneider, Schroeder/Schröder, Schwab, Seiferth/Seifert, Sittig, Steiner, Taubmann, Thiel, Wagner, Wehrmann

Welcome to the melee, Barbara !! And please don't just sit back and read; you too can enter into this, be it sane or for fun !! Dave Ross

Excellent suggestion, Theola. I have 3 of Diana Krall's CD's, and she is one of my favorites. I like the "When I Look in Your Eyes" CD--mostly older Jazz classics. We always laughed at a Tom & Jerry cartoon my son has, in which Tom (for those of you not familiar, Tom is a cat, Jerry is a mouse) sings an old, old Blues song, "Is you is, or is you ain't my baby", with a hilarious raspy voice. I was delighted to find the very same song on another one of Dianna's CD's--sung quite differently from Tom's version, of course! Check it out. Dorie ----- Original Message ----- From: Theola Walden Baker <bakermail@alltel.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > Heinz, > > I suggest for CD #21,001 that you should listen to some "classic" American > music by Canadian-German jazz pianist/vocalist Diana Krall. Try her most > recent CD, nominated for a Grammy. > > :-) > > Theola > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@wondernet.de> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > > | 21,000 now, Dave :) > | _________________________ > | Heinz L. Zulauf > | Flotowstrasse 9 > | D-64287 Darmstadt > | Germany > | zulauf@bigfoot.de > | _______________________ > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: <Newtross@aol.com> > | To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:34 PM > | Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > | > | > | > Heinz is taking the week off to listen to all 20,000 of his CDs :-))) > | > > | > Dave Ross > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > | > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > | > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word > | UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > | > > | > ============================== > | > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > | > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > | > > | > > | > | ______________________________ > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Check the German Food list out at: > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the message and send. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I had trouble finding my grandmother on the Ellis Island page. But after trying the alternative search engine (below) I found her. The Ellis Island web page has her indexed under an incorrect spelling of her first name. This search engine found her because it didn't require a complete first name (only first initial). Also be careful about checking a box for nationality. I checked Danish and my grandfather didn't show up because it says "Dane" on the list. Ellis Island Alternate Search Engine http://sites.netscape.net/stephenpmorse/ellis.html Linda JudyMcKinn@aol.com wrote: > > Same for me on Ellis Island. I HAVE the records where my grandparents came > over in 1893, from the ship lists. Have ship, date, names, etc. I also > searched variant spellings, and don't find mine on the Ellis Island site. > Strange. Judy > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

That makes three of us in Deutschland in the month of May, except, of course, those with the privilege of living there. My own trip was from 3 May to 14 May und from Stuttgart to Spaichingen to Konstanz to Chur, Schweiz to Basel, Schweiz to Strassbourg, Frankreich to Heidelberg to Burbach,NRW to Amsterdam und back to Minneapolis. Quite a bit of travelling, but I tried to see everything, with the idea that I will not make it back. Probably could have stayed another five days und taken in Essex, Scotland und Ireland. Now I will have to make another trip to the British Isles. If I go again, I would like to be able to get a bicycle, und probably concentrate on jiust Württemberg. I must have walked 50 k, sometimes because I wanted to. Still I should have left my laptop at home und brought some rollerblades. My favorite place, although I liked Spaichingen, Konstanz, und Chur, was the village of Seitingen-Oberflacht. Church very high on a hill there, with a two meter wall. Reminded me of times when towns were not safe from marauding armies. Cemetery there with many familiar names. The hill gives a good view of the villages. In Oberflacht, there is a memorial with a statue of St. Michael holding up a sword. It is dedicated to the fallen of the two world wars. Again many familiar names, probably every one was a distant relative of my mom. I wanted to get back for a Saturday night or Sunday mass, but did not have the transportation. I am not sure if I could have rented a car. Would I need a special license to drive in Europe? Language und diet were also problematic, but I solved some of the latter by bringing my own food. Thomas Koch ----- Original Message ----- From: <lumby@air.on.ca> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 4:14 PM . > We then took off by foot through the vineyards always up hill, naturally, > and found our way to a secluded spot in a Wald, where we told stories, and > generally had a good time. An hour later we wandered back to where we had > come from, where we had another feast later that evening at our host's of > hot leberkaese with a spiegeleier on top, with the appropriate wines.

> > > > Well, if everyone is bored let us start a new topic... Ellis Island.. > > > > > >Since mine all came pre-Ellis Island the only one I've checked for is my >husband's grandmother and she's not there either. It's likely that the >first >time she came was pre-Ellis Island, but we know she went back to Germany >for >a while. I went on Vacation to New York, and went to Ellis Island. I was told then, that most of the information you get from Ellis Island were posted from the family. Because we looked for a relative, were we know, that he came thru Ellis Island. He was not listed. You are better off, when you get the ships records from the harbor were the ship departed. Katharina Katharina > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

On 9 Jun 2001, at 13:25, Barbara Heiles wrote: > > Okay, let's have a little spice. It doesn't take much to get Heinz going. > He shot me down the first summer I was on the computer and I've posted > very little since. It takes a German to best a German. I'm German but it's > been watered down for 270 years. Well anyway, I'm glad to know someone > else is out there lurking. BVH Ah, but that should never happen. Opinions are what makes us individuals. If all of us were to think alike and follow the same path life would be a very boring replica of Orwell's '1984'. Luckily it's a free country and we can say what we think. From my side I've been quiet because my laptop won't boot and my whole life is on that sucker. So, I'm desparately trying to get off what I can but it looks like I'll have to use it as a second drive somewhere and then grab whatver directories I can and then start over. In the meantime I bought a new laptop with al the latest goodies but there I can't get my USB printer to work. It simply refuses to recognize the sucker. Of course Gateway says it must be the printer. HP is ouit for the weekend and so it goes in lala land. Fred

On 9 Jun 2001, at 11:40, Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > > I have a big smile now knowing all the info that I had gathered is, in > fact, true but my kids or grandkids will not find him on the Internet. > You should forward your information to the Ellis Island Foundation. I think they care enough to get data updated and corrected. Fred

Heinz, I suggest for CD #21,001 that you should listen to some "classic" American music by Canadian-German jazz pianist/vocalist Diana Krall. Try her most recent CD, nominated for a Grammy. :-) Theola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@wondernet.de> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | 21,000 now, Dave :) | _________________________ | Heinz L. Zulauf | Flotowstrasse 9 | D-64287 Darmstadt | Germany | zulauf@bigfoot.de | _______________________ | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <Newtross@aol.com> | To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:34 PM | Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | | | > Heinz is taking the week off to listen to all 20,000 of his CDs :-))) | > | > Dave Ross | > | > | > | > | > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== | > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: | > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word | UNSUBSCRIBE and send. | > | > ============================== | > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp | > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! | > | > | | ______________________________

Hello everyone, I had tried to get info from the Ellis Island site a few times but it was always busy. However, yesterday I decided to try again. I found my Dad who emigrated in 1922 and several other folks from the same town who had emigrated about the same time. I was really pleased I was able to find so much. One thing to keep aware of is the inaccuracy of some of the information on the site. My father was listed as being 3 years old when he was actually 23. The town he was born in has an extra-long name and only the first part of the name was listed as his hometown. I found other misspellings for other people. And of course, as many folks have mentioned, there are many people who are not listed when they should be. I was pleased though, that I found as much as I did. Not once was I kicked off and only my own time constraints were the reason I had to leave the site. Mary Ann > Well, if everyone is bored let us start a new topic... Ellis Island.. > > I was heart broken when I searched the site and did not find my > grandfather who came over in January 1909. [And, I checked variant > spellings] A email friend from another site searched records for me in > Salt Lake and there he was right where he was suppose to be on the right > ship, right dates, right connection, right everything except he is not > listed on the Ellis Island site.. she sent me the information while he was > held in detention waiting for his friend, right down to how many meals he > ate while he was being held. > > I have a big smile now knowing all the info that I had gathered is, in > fact, true but my kids or grandkids will not find him on the Internet. > > Gail > > ______________________________ --- Mary Ann Allen wallen@pipeline.com The Gathering Place http://sites.netscape.net/murrallen/

I think all are listed. I found some of my cousins who were American citizens who entered after a visit?? to Switzerland. I also was very lucky to find my Grandmother and father and his brothers who entered in 1905. Now I have to find my grandfather Konrad Engweiler who came over a year earlier. Always a mystery out there to be solved. fun isn't it. Gloria Engweiler Wood

Same for me on Ellis Island. I HAVE the records where my grandparents came over in 1893, from the ship lists. Have ship, date, names, etc. I also searched variant spellings, and don't find mine on the Ellis Island site. Strange. Judy

Zu Hause, am Computer :) _________________________ Heinz L. Zulauf Flotowstrasse 9 D-64287 Darmstadt Germany zulauf@bigfoot.de _______________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Newtross@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > Heinz, wo bist Du ?? > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

You know in this computer world with all the technology I had wanted my kids and grandkids to see the information on the site and I was in shock when there was nothing but I sat here and cried when Fran sent me the info. My grandfather is the only one in ALL my family that immigrated that came thru Ellis Island. When I say ALL, I am 100% of German heritage... so my mother's side came into earlier ports.. Castle Garden, I think. Gail

21,000 now, Dave :) _________________________ Heinz L. Zulauf Flotowstrasse 9 D-64287 Darmstadt Germany zulauf@bigfoot.de _______________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Newtross@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > Heinz is taking the week off to listen to all 20,000 of his CDs :-))) > > Dave Ross > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

why? _________________________ Heinz L. Zulauf Flotowstrasse 9 D-64287 Darmstadt Germany zulauf@bigfoot.de _______________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Meyer Kilgore" <gkilgore@primenet.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > True Fred!! I think you, Tom and Heinz are at a truce right now....;-) > > Gail > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Complaints: > Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Judy, what was so strange for me was the his ship left Liverpool and the web site didn't even list the name of the ship that left Liverpool in 1909. I was beginning to think my grandfather was a liar but he told the truth all the way and everything that I have checks right on the button on what Fran found in SLC on the film. The film even mentioned his contact in NY and I have the post cards that were sent to my grandfather by this man in NY while he was in detention. At least all the information that I have was correct but it still would have been nice to see it on the web site. Gail

Thank you for sharing such a beautiful story. Bettyrae Dickhart ----- Original Message ----- From: <lumby@air.on.ca> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > Hello Listers. > > I am a prodigal son, who booked off on the 25th of April, just before my > wife Sonja, (B. 22-7-40, Burstadt, Worms, raised in Heilbronn/Sontheim, > Emigrated to Canada in 1959, and married me on 23-4-1963) and I left > Toronto for Stuttgart via Frankfurt. > > The highlight of our trip took place on May 1st, when we were included in a > group of persons from the Heilbronn/Schozach area,who went on the > traditional May 1st "Wanderung". It began at noon , when we partook of a > "feast" of Beer and Schnaps, and Bayerische Weisswurst with sweet Mustard. > We then took off by foot through the vineyards always up hill, naturally, > and found our way to a secluded spot in a Wald, where we told stories, and > generally had a good time. An hour later we wandered back to where we had > come from, where we had another feast later that evening at our host's of > hot leberkaese with a spiegeleier on top, with the appropriate wines. > > Needless to say our host did himself well.. > > Four days later, Sonja and I took off in a rented car to the Black Forest, > a trip we have taken for the last four years. > > South from Freudenstadt, through the Wolfach Valley, south from > OberWolfachand, and Wolfach along Hwy 33, to the very winding road over the > pass direction ELZACH. At the top of the pass, at the Gasthaus, we stopped > and picked up our traditional two bottles of Blueberry Wine. From there we > went though the southern Schwartzwald and St. Georgen, to the source of the > Danube, and along the Danube to where half of the flow disappears into the > ground and ends up in the Ostsee, (Baltic Sea) and the above ground flow > ends up in the Black Sea. > > We stayed overnight in a small hotel in a small village just before we came > to Sigmaringen. The thing I remember about this place was the excellent > food, and the Church bell that struck every 15 minutes and on the hour, > throughout the night I think it was just outside our window, and the > Electrified train that went roaring through (just outside our window) every > half hour. > > > The next day, we entered Bavaria and went through some of the nicest and > most beautiful countryside we have ever seen. This was the foothills of > the Karwendel Gebirge and the Bavarian Alps. We stayed overnight on the > Kochelsee, at the same hotel that we stayed at 35 years ago when we had > three young daughters, two of whom were born in Munich, Germany. This was > completely by chance, not by design. We became aware of this , because > after all those years, we recognized the place where we had seen a flotilla > of about 9 swans, in battle array, approaching us on the beach. I fed one > of them and received a very painful nip on my finger. > > From there we travelled to the small village of Au in Bavaria, just south > of Bad Aibling on the Autobahn from Munich to Salzburg. where my wife has > cousins and an Aunt. (Wow, does she have cousins and Aunts in Germany, and > every time we visit one of them, out comes the Conditerei-every one comes > out with four very rich wonderful conditerei which must be eaten, as well > at the end, a full German meal with all the trimmings.) > > After three days, we travelled back to the Heilbronn/Stuttgart area, and > ended up for four days before we returned to Canda on the 23 May, helping > an old and dear friend of my wife's, whose husband had died four your > previously, move from the family home into a condominium, in Flein, just > outside of Heilbronn. > > One of the most moving parts of my visit was a walk we took in the > evening, just before we left to come home, from the new apartment in Flein > across the fields, to Sontheim, a suburb of Heilbronn, where they had grown > up: and hear them talking about the old places and the adventures they had > and reminisce about the old days. > > There, you were all mentioning the lack of activity on this list. You have > it now. > > Ralf Aldrich > > >Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 13:49:47 -0600 > >X-Original-Sender: zulauf@wondernet.de Sat Jun 9 13:49:47 2001 > >X-Sent: 9 Jun 2001 19:49:41 GMT > >Reply-To: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@bigfoot.de> > >From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@wondernet.de> > >Old-To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:50:49 +0200 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-From: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4295 > >X-Loop: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Zu Hause, am Computer :) > >_________________________ > >Heinz L. Zulauf > >Flotowstrasse 9 > >D-64287 Darmstadt > >Germany > >zulauf@bigfoot.de > >_______________________ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <Newtross@aol.com> > >To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > > > > >> Heinz, wo bist Du ?? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > >> Complaints: > >> Contact the list administrator at: GERMAN-LIFE-L-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >> > >> > > > > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > >GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > >GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the > message and send. > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

In a message dated 6/9/2001 1:31:01 PM Central Daylight Time, gkilgore@primenet.com writes: > Well, if everyone is bored let us start a new topic... Ellis Island.. > > Since mine all came pre-Ellis Island the only one I've checked for is my husband's grandmother and she's not there either. It's likely that the first time she came was pre-Ellis Island, but we know she went back to Germany for a while. Her family wanted her to stay, but she missed the young man she met in Chicago and came back to marry him. Would someone who was here previously still go through Ellis Island? Lois