Re things German: I was pleasantly surprised when I finally learned that the William Tell Overture was the accompaniment for both the riotous and the placid in Bugs Bunny and a few other cartoons. Stan from Livonia, Michigan new e-mail address cownabor@htdconnect.com

Fischers Fritz fischt frische Fische, frische Fische fischt Fischers Fritz. Try to say that three time fast. :o) It tranlates into: Fritz, the fisherman, is fishing fresh fish, fresh fishes are fished by the fisherman Fritz. Mark

Hello, I think you can use just the initial for a person's first name even on the Ellis Island site. It gives you all the first names starting with that letter. Mary Ann > I had trouble finding my grandmother on the Ellis Island page. But after > trying the alternative search engine (below) I found her. The Ellis Island > web page has her indexed under an incorrect spelling of her first name. > This search engine found her because it didn't require a complete first > name (only first initial). Also be careful about checking a box for > nationality. I checked Danish and my grandfather didn't show up because it > says "Dane" on the list. > > Ellis Island Alternate Search Engine > http://sites.netscape.net/stephenpmorse/ellis.html > > Linda > --- Mary Ann Allen wallen@pipeline.com The Gathering Place http://sites.netscape.net/murrallen/

I know exactly what you mean, Mike. I am completely sold on the quality of the German products I regularly buy. I don't buy them because they are German or my fascination with Germany--I buy them because of their superior qualities. Theola ----- Original Message ----- From: <MMattes200@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] Made in Germany | My great grandparents came from Germany in 1872 and settled in Brooklyn. | That's as close as I come to Germany, but I am amazed at not only the amount | of products that come from Germany but the quality of goods that are "Made in | Germany." It seems the American worker spends 8 hours a day at the place they | 'work' and the German takes much more pride in the quality of what they | produce. | I'm as American as they come, but I'd rather buy quality than "American." | Just my opinion, | Mike | | | > Frankly, I keep wondering how much more I pay for my Birkenstocks (usual | > cost $90-$110) and my Haflinger shoes than my German shoe-wearing | > counterparts have to pay for theirs. | > | > I'm an inveterate label reader, and I'm often amazed at how many products I | > use that are *Made in Germany.* | > | > Theola | > | | | | Mike Mattes | El Paso, Texas | mmattes200@aol.com | Searching for: MATTES, DINAN, DONOUGHUE, TUFFY, KEANLE/KIENLE | Germany, Ireland, Wayne Co., PA, Brooklyn and Queens, NY | I think my ancestors were born under a bridge and buried in the backyard. | | ______________________________

Thanks for the encouragement......Barbara >From: "Theola Walden Baker" <bakermail@alltel.net> >Reply-To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:59:24 -0700 > >"Melee" is a good word, Dave. > >Oh, yes, Barbara, join in! Sometimes the list reminds me of an American >Revolution redux ("The rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air.") of >which some of my German ancestors were loyalists and others treasonists >(then there were the ones who switched sides), depending upon which side >was judging the other, but we stop short of "killing" each other. You >shouldn't have any inhibitions about jumping in either a conversation or >fracas, or starting one--nobody else does. <G> > >Theola > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Newtross@aol.com> >To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:55 AM >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > >| Welcome to the melee, Barbara !! And please don't just sit back and >read; >| you too can enter into this, be it sane or for fun !! >| >| Dave Ross >| >| ______________________________ > > > >==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: >GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

My great grandparents came from Germany in 1872 and settled in Brooklyn. That's as close as I come to Germany, but I am amazed at not only the amount of products that come from Germany but the quality of goods that are "Made in Germany." It seems the American worker spends 8 hours a day at the place they 'work' and the German takes much more pride in the quality of what they produce. I'm as American as they come, but I'd rather buy quality than "American." Just my opinion, Mike > Frankly, I keep wondering how much more I pay for my Birkenstocks (usual > cost $90-$110) and my Haflinger shoes than my German shoe-wearing > counterparts have to pay for theirs. > > I'm an inveterate label reader, and I'm often amazed at how many products I > use that are *Made in Germany.* > > Theola > Mike Mattes El Paso, Texas mmattes200@aol.com Searching for: MATTES, DINAN, DONOUGHUE, TUFFY, KEANLE/KIENLE Germany, Ireland, Wayne Co., PA, Brooklyn and Queens, NY I think my ancestors were born under a bridge and buried in the backyard.

Dorie, your favorite Krall CD is mine also. She is superb. Speaking of cartoons, would Heinz be horrified to know that probably for most Americans our first and best acquaintance with classical music comes from 'toons, ala Bugs Bunny and Beethoven's Fifth. Classical music is pervasive in animated works. We may not be able to "name that tune" or the composer, but we all know the score and can hum right along. I have been pondering the notion of having Chopin's Funeral March (picture Wile E. Coyote, with wings, halo, and harp, ascending to heaven) played on my "big" day. I would like to give what mourners might be either something to laugh about or really cry over. <G> Theola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike and Dorie Brennecke" <doitnow@netins.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | Excellent suggestion, Theola. I have 3 of Diana Krall's CD's, and she is | one of my favorites. I like the "When I Look in Your Eyes" CD--mostly older | Jazz classics. | | We always laughed at a Tom & Jerry cartoon my son has, in which Tom (for | those of you not familiar, Tom is a cat, Jerry is a mouse) sings an old, old | Blues song, "Is you is, or is you ain't my baby", with a hilarious raspy | voice. I was delighted to find the very same song on another one of | Dianna's CD's--sung quite differently from Tom's version, of course! Check | it out. Dorie | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Theola Walden Baker <bakermail@alltel.net> | To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:57 AM | Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | | | > Heinz, | > | > I suggest for CD #21,001 that you should listen to some "classic" American | > music by Canadian-German jazz pianist/vocalist Diana Krall. Try her most | > recent CD, nominated for a Grammy. | > | > :-) | > | > Theola | > | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@wondernet.de> | > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:00 PM | > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | > | > | > | 21,000 now, Dave :) | > | _________________________ | > | Heinz L. Zulauf | > | Flotowstrasse 9 | > | D-64287 Darmstadt | > | Germany | > | zulauf@bigfoot.de | > | _______________________ | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: <Newtross@aol.com> | > | To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> | > | Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:34 PM | > | Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | > | | > | | > | > Heinz is taking the week off to listen to all 20,000 of his CDs :-))) | > | > | > | > Dave Ross | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== | > | > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: | > | > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word | > | UNSUBSCRIBE and send. | > | > | > | > ============================== | > | > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases | > | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp | > | > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! | > | > | > | > | > | | > | ______________________________ | > | > | > | > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== | > Check the German Food list out at: | > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: | > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the | message and send. | > | > ============================== | > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp | | ______________________________

"Melee" is a good word, Dave. Oh, yes, Barbara, join in! Sometimes the list reminds me of an American Revolution redux ("The rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air.") of which some of my German ancestors were loyalists and others treasonists (then there were the ones who switched sides), depending upon which side was judging the other, but we stop short of "killing" each other. You shouldn't have any inhibitions about jumping in either a conversation or fracas, or starting one--nobody else does. <G> Theola ----- Original Message ----- From: <Newtross@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL | Welcome to the melee, Barbara !! And please don't just sit back and read; | you too can enter into this, be it sane or for fun !! | | Dave Ross | | ______________________________

Thanks to all on this list who have had the opportunity to travel in the lands our ancestors hailed from. Keep up with the conversations regarding places/names, for it will be all some of us will be able to learn about our Fatherland. It makes interesting reading, to say the least. I have learned a great deal from this list, and I love it! Kathleen Reed Hollister MI, USA

German Life magazine has advertisers that sell German foodstuffs and German beer. Celia ----- Original Message ----- From: Theola Walden Baker <bakermail@alltel.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > >Man, what I wouldn't give for a > > good, room temperature Hasenbraeu from Augsburg. > > Methinks you will have to settle for a Texas Shiner "Bock" Beer. :-) > > But Me also thinks (or wishes)--maybe our list should start a shopping > exchange network. But we might overwork our German friends with our > requests for German goods. (Heinz & Katharina, it's time for you to get > worried!) I wonder if they would care to have any American-made (well, at > least SOLD in America) goods? > > Frankly, I keep wondering how much more I pay for my Birkenstocks (usual > cost $90-$110) and my Haflinger shoes than my German shoe-wearing > counterparts have to pay for theirs. > > I'm an inveterate label reader, and I'm often amazed at how many products I > use that are *Made in Germany.* > > Theola > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

With most American Beer it's hard to discern if it's arriving or departing !!!!!!!!

>Man, what I wouldn't give for a > good, room temperature Hasenbraeu from Augsburg. Methinks you will have to settle for a Texas Shiner "Bock" Beer. :-) But Me also thinks (or wishes)--maybe our list should start a shopping exchange network. But we might overwork our German friends with our requests for German goods. (Heinz & Katharina, it's time for you to get worried!) I wonder if they would care to have any American-made (well, at least SOLD in America) goods? Frankly, I keep wondering how much more I pay for my Birkenstocks (usual cost $90-$110) and my Haflinger shoes than my German shoe-wearing counterparts have to pay for theirs. I'm an inveterate label reader, and I'm often amazed at how many products I use that are *Made in Germany.* Theola

Could we please change the subject line? Gail

I'll Drink to that!!!! Robert Burger wrote: > With most American Beer it's hard to discern if it's arriving or > departing !!!!!!!! > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > >

For those interested in learning more about how their ancestors lived, and I believe that was at least part of the purpose of starting this List, the Freilicht (open-air) Museums should not be overlooked on your visits to Germany. Most of these are agriculturally based as that was the way of life for the majority of people. They will vary from area to area as did the culture of the times. I find them all interesting. There is an industrial one at Hagen which we also enjoyed very much. It was built along a stream which was used for power until eventually it was changed to electricity and continued in use up into the 20th century, 1930s I think. I have a sickle which I watched a man make starting with a short round iron bar and moving from station to station for different operations. We came in too late to see the demonstration and were just looking at the machinery when he recognized a foreigner and offered to do a demonstration for the 3 of us. Of course as soon as the machinery started making a noise people flocked in but every time he moved he would motion me to the front to a good viewing area. When finished he wrapped it in newspaper and presented it to me. It was not sharpened only shaped with one end of the original bar for the handle and the curved sickle blade the other. Sharpening was apparently done some place else or perhaps left out for a safety precaution. Up the hill farther where it leveled out there was a bakery. The bread is no longer made there but brought out to be baked in the ovens. We bought a loaf of hot raisin bread and sat and tore it apart in chunks and devoured it with nothing on it. I never tasted anything better. We tried to buy another loaf but by then it was all gone. We waited a short while until another kind came out of the ovens but we'll never forget that hot raisin bread. One of my favorite spots in Wuerttemberg is Blautopf at Blaubeuren. It is a geological oddity, a small flowing spring fed by an underground river. The caves the river runs through have been explored mainly by one man, Jochen Hasenmayer who has been a leading cave explorer in Europe. The water is clear and is chemically colored by copper compounds leached out of the limestone. The beauty and intensity of the color is unbelievable. Do a search for Blaubeuren there is a site with the story and pictures. There is a famous Kloster there as well. I have a neat picture of Blautopf with the spire of the Cloister reflected in the water. I found a site with some pictures but they do not do just to the magnificent color of Blautopf. The ones I took are much better color-wise. One last thing, check out your "home town" to see if they have a Heimatmuseum. Many do and the artifacts displayed there will be those of your ancestors and their neighbors. You may even find them mentioned or pictured. Celia, who won't get there until September ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry & Chris Thiessen <jthiesen@ipa.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: RE: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > Ralf, > > Thank you for sharing your trip. I long for the cool air of the > Schwartzwald and the beautiful villages. Sigmaringen is a lovely spot. I am > familiar with most of the places you mentioned. We lived just south of > Stuttgart in the small village of Mussberg for three years in the 90s. We > were back a couple of years ago for a visit. I am homesick just reading > your post! > Chris in MO > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Ralf, Thank you for sharing your trip. I long for the cool air of the Schwartzwald and the beautiful villages. Sigmaringen is a lovely spot. I am familiar with most of the places you mentioned. We lived just south of Stuttgart in the small village of Mussberg for three years in the 90s. We were back a couple of years ago for a visit. I am homesick just reading your post! Chris in MO

I think you answered your own question ..... there were piles and piles because everyone was drinking the best beer. Man, what I wouldn't give for a good, room temperature Hasenbraeu from Augsburg. Klaus Dieter Cook, Houston, Texas > 2)When we were stationed in Munich from 1964 to 1967, I had access to the > PX . When I went in the front entrance, I saw piles and piles of American > beer. Schlitz, Miller, Schultz, Molsons etc. How come they were so > popular, when the best beer in the world could be purchased dirt cheap on > the local economy? :) >

Hello Dave and Carol Thanks for your comments: If you haven't been back since the USarmy (mostly) and all Canadian Troops pulled out of Germany, you wouldn't recognise Heilbronn. All of the American Kaserne has been pulled down, with the exception of one or two barracks, which are being converted in condominiums. Just after the pull out, the German government used all the barracks for gastarbeiters and refugees from the east. In their place today, is a huge shopping Centre called OBI, where you can buy everything from Aardvarks to Zebras. Every time we drive into Heilbronn from Flein, Sonja say to me "Thats where the Ami Kaserne was." There is a lot of construction going on now and the Intercity S bahn goes right through the centre of the city by the Church. It connects about 15 towns and cities throughout the area and it has a rail right of way. The Bahnhoff is under construction and the entire street in front of it is torn up. Maybe you could comment on two matters I have always wondered about. 1) Who are the young German girls going to marry now that the Canadian and American forces are gone? :) 2)When we were stationed in Munich from 1964 to 1967, I had access to the PX . When I went in the front entrance, I saw piles and piles of American beer. Schlitz, Miller, Schultz, Molsons etc. How come they were so popular, when the best beer in the world could be purchased dirt cheap on the local economy? :) Those were the days huh? Ralf and Sonja >Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:04:35 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: Newtross@aol.com Sun Jun 10 07:04:34 2001 >From: Newtross@aol.com >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:04:30 EDT >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL >Old-To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10524 >To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4315 >X-Loop: GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists3.rootsweb.com id f5AD4ZB28758 > >Ralf: Your story of your trip has made very enjoyable reading for us. I was >stationed in Heilbronn/Neckar 1n 1959-60. We've just recently returned from >our 12th trip (mostly for research, but also for traveling and enjoyment) to >Germany. In all the years of our traveling over there, I think we've been to >every place you mentioned, and the reading of YOUR experiences has brought >back a lot of memories pof [places we've not visited for awhile !! > >Thanks for sharing > >Dave and Carol Ross >

Thanks, Theola. I will try. Heinz _________________________ Heinz L. Zulauf Flotowstrasse 9 D-64287 Darmstadt Germany zulauf@bigfoot.de _______________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theola Walden Baker" <bakermail@alltel.net> To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > Heinz, > > I suggest for CD #21,001 that you should listen to some "classic" American > music by Canadian-German jazz pianist/vocalist Diana Krall. Try her most > recent CD, nominated for a Grammy. > > :-) > > Theola > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heinz L. Zulauf" <zulauf@wondernet.de> > To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > > > | 21,000 now, Dave :) > | _________________________ > | Heinz L. Zulauf > | Flotowstrasse 9 > | D-64287 Darmstadt > | Germany > | zulauf@bigfoot.de > | _______________________ > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: <Newtross@aol.com> > | To: <GERMAN-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:34 PM > | Subject: Re: [GERMAN-LIFE] NO MAIL > | > | > | > Heinz is taking the week off to listen to all 20,000 of his CDs :-))) > | > > | > Dave Ross > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > | > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mail list send a message to: > | > GERMAN-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com and in the message add the word > | UNSUBSCRIBE and send. > | > > | > ============================== > | > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > | > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > | > > | > > | > | ______________________________ > > > > ==== GERMAN-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Check the German Food list out at: > GERMAN-FOOD-L@rootsweb.com to subscribe send a message to: > GERMAN-FOOD-L-request@rootsweb.com and add the word SUBSCRIBE in the message and send. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

> Maybe you could comment on two matters I have always wondered about. > > 1) Who are the young German girls going to marry now that the Canadian and > American forces are gone? :) Ralf, I had to comment on this :-). My son found one of those young German girls about 10 years ago and married her. He too is in the Military and at this time is stationed in Bamberg. I have visited there several times and love the country. A year and half ago we visited for a month, my son and daugher in-law took us to Belguim. Luxembourg, Austria and many other interesting places. And about the beer, my son says the same thing now. What was said about the American beer I CAN'T PRINT HERE. I will just let everyone take a guess. I hope to be able to make another visit some day. Phyllis > 2)When we were stationed in Munich from 1964 to 1967, I had access to the > PX . When I went in the front entrance, I saw piles and piles of American > beer. Schlitz, Miller, Schultz, Molsons etc. How come they were so > popular, when the best beer in the world could be purchased dirt cheap on > the local economy? :) > > Those were the days huh? > > Ralf and Sonja > >