Does any one have a E-mail genaolgy site for Bad Salzbrunn or any info ,or url for info on that state or area, am confused as to where it belonged, now in Poland i under stand.. help betty thanks

Those of you who have been waiting for the second addition of the English translation of Hans Bahlow's Dictionary of Germany Names translated by Edda Gentry, may be interested to hear that I was just told by amazon.com that it should now be released in August 2000. LaVerne ltboehmke@aol.com

>Does any one know if there is a Genealogy E-mail list for Schlesien or >Silesia >thanks betty Betty, this from someone recently: >The former Prussian provinces in the East that now is Poland are: >Schlesien (Silesia), Posen (Poznan), Ostpreuþen (East Prussia), >Westpreuþen (West Prussia), the part of Brandenburg (Brandenburg) >east of the river Oder and the most part of Pommern (Pommerania) >(the border runs from the Est Sea between Ahlbeck (Germany) and >Swinem¸nde/Swinouj¥scue til the Oder. The other former Prussian >provinces are now Germany. >More information and links you can find under >http://www.polishroots.com/genpoland/index.htm If you can't find it at RootsWeb home page http://www.rootsweb.com, try Don Watson's page: http://go.to/Hessen Don Watson 603 sites Happy hunting, Patricia SCHUBERT Zippin

Does any one know if there is a Genealogy E-mail list for Schlesien or Silesia thanks betty

Hi listers, I recently discovered that my Danish grandfather (b. 1864), JACOB CHRISTIAN PETERSEN SØRENSEN's mother was INGEBORG CHRISTIANE TAGHOLMINE SCHMIDT (b. 1834), whose parents were CATHRINE STEENBECK RATTENBERG (b. about 1806) and CHRISTIAN PETERSEN SCHMIDT. CATHRINE's parents were MATHIA HEDEVIG RATTENBERG (b. 1771) and JOHANNES RATTENBERG. MATHIA's parents were CATHRINE STEENBECK AND IVER BJØRN. The STEENBECK-RATTENBERG's seem to come from Haderslev/Hadersleben county (Vedsted, Jelling, Christiansfeldt) in Denmark which would have been part of Schleswig-Holstein (sp?) during some of this time. There were priests, seminarians, schoolteachers and men of law among the parents or baptism sponsors of the children. I typed into my search engine, "Steenbeck," "Rattenberg," and "Tagholm" individually and came up with some interesting people and places, but little genealogy info. Does anyone have any of these folks in their family tree? Dotty in Sunny Florida.

I am trying to investigate Schlomann. I would appreciate any help. Paula

Calvin Zippin wrote: > Lauren, > My STEFFEN line began with John Barnard in 1860 in Sweden. He died in > Litchfield, Minesota, USA in 1891. His son Roscoe STEFFEN was born > in Great Falls, MT, USA d. in Berkeley, CA, USA. I understand > Steffen is typically Swedish. Nay, there are many typical German surnames in Sweden. That's why Pomerania and the German speaking Baltic regions belonged to the Swedish kingdom in the 16th and 18th century. I was astonished how many people of my name still today live in Scandinavia and Estland. * Dieter

Hello: I hope someone can help me find any information on my GGgrandfather who when 14 years was confirmed to the Lutheran church at Altenburg,Saxony,Germany His name is George Schulze(Schultz) Born 1/Jan/1831 I was given a photo of his mother and was told she lived in Hamburg,I have know name or dates about her and know nothing about who the father was. He came to US around 1865. I'd like to know if their is any family still around their.Any Help is Greatly Appreciated!!! Thank You, Janet Schwab augusta14@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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JDMeissner@aol.com wrote: > Beginner' question: Is Sachsen-Meiningen a region rather than a city? But I > know there is also a city with the name of Meiningen. It is a former country, a duchy in today's federal state of Thuringia. The city of Meiningen was the residence town there. * Dieter

Lauren Brockman wrote: > Hello All > I'm new to this list and stabbing in the dark a > bit. > All I know from the 1881 UK Census is that > Margaret & John STEFFENS and > their eldest daughter Annie were born in > "Germany". Based on reported ages, John & > Margaret were born in the mid-1830s. Annie around > 1864. > The family emigrated to E London around 1865. > My question to the list is: > Can the surname STEFFEN(S) be narrowed down (based > on occurences of the surname) to certain "states" > or kingdoms in the area of now-Germany? It is a north German name, that's all you can say, rather from northwest than northeast. * Dieter

Lauren, My STEFFEN line began with John Barnard in 1860 in Sweden. He died in Litchfield, Minesota, USA in 1891. His son Roscoe STEFFEN was born in Great Falls, MT, USA d. in Berkeley, CA, USA. I understand Steffen is typically Swedish. Wish I had more family for him, but that's it for now. Patricia SCHUBERT Zippin >Hello All >I'm new to this list and stabbing in the dark a >bit. >All I know from the 1881 UK Census is that >Margaret & John STEFFENS and >their eldest daughter Annie were born in >"Germany". Based on reported ages, John & >Margaret were born in the mid-1830s. Annie around >1864. >The family emigrated to E London around 1865. >My question to the list is: >Can the surname STEFFEN(S) be narrowed down (based >on occurences of the surname) to certain "states" >or kingdoms in the area of now-Germany? >Since I've not been able to find anything more >than a reference to Germany >as to their birhtplace, I'm hoping to narrow down >my search area! >Any ideas? >TIA > >-- >Kind Regards, >Lauren Fearncombe Brockman >Click here to email me - >mailto:mslauren@bellsouth.net > >S

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E324A87B765BF6F463BA8653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------E324A87B765BF6F463BA8653 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Delivered-To: rrbauer@accessus.net Received: from accessus.net (bville-42.dialup.accessus.net [207.206.149.42]) by mail1.accessus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B48072752 for <rrbauer@accessus.net>; Thu, 25 May 2000 23:04:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <392DF9D7.A2F059F6@accessus.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:13:11 -0500 From: Roland Bauer <rrbauer@accessus.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland B - Bauer <rrbauer@accessus.net> Subject: [Fwd: NORDRHEIN-WESTFALEN-D Digest V00 #40] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roland Bauer wrote: > In response to several recent questions; > > Surnames----- > > In the NE part of Westphalia near Guetersloh, Bielefeld and Herford ( and maybe > others) our ancestors had a very practical method of heredity. > > A couple sometime had a child or 2 to be sure that they were able to reproduced. > In the church records this child was identified as "before the marriage". I t > was most important to have children to help with the work on the farm and for the > family to exist. > > When a couple had a heredity right to a small part of the land, it was often > the youngest son that would inherit the property. Can't think of the word at the > moment but it is the opposite of primogeniture. > > For several reason > > 1 When the oldest son was ready to marry and set up a household the parents were > not ready to "retire" and give up the main house to the new family and move into > a smaller house on the property. > The parents tried to marry the older sons to the daughters of another farm family > who had no son, only a daughter. That son then took the name of the wife's family > and became the heir. Thus in some records you will find the name "Johann Braun, > called Schmidt" or "also known as ". But then the children will carry the > surname of Schmidt, after the family of the mother. > > 2 If the older sons have no prospective heirs to marry , (daughters of other > farms) the family would then try to provide another occupation. > > 3 my Gt. gr. f had an older brother who was sent to Am in the early 1840s who > settle in St. louis. He had to learn English as the govt was not bilingual > (Spanish-Am) at that time, > He served in the Mex. War. Came back to St. l. Started a dry goods store and > eventually was Pres. of the German American Bank in St. Louis on 4th & about > Olive(?). > > 4 my Gt. gr. father was sent to Switzerland to learn watchmakeing in 1856 . He > then came to St. louis in 1857 and opened a jewellery in the ground level of a > hotel near the old cathedral. .After a few years he was able to move to the great > North St. Louis German area near 14th & St. Louis Ave. etc. , where he prospered > and raised a family > > 5 the youngest son stayed in Westphalia and inherited the property. He founded a > distillery which he owned for many year. it appears he was childless and the > farm/distiller was sold to the present owners about 1876 > > As I said before: > When the youngest son was ready to marry and take over the farm, > the parents usually gave up the main house and moved to a smaller > house on the same property. > > 6 One of the gr. fathers sisters married a widower who was born Koenig. But he > had assumed the name of Meister which was that of his first wife. The first wife > was the heredity heir . > > She died and when her widower (Koenig known as Meister) remarried . > > The second wife assumed the surname of her husband which was the name of the farm > of the first wife. Everyone was now know as Meister although there was not a drop > of Meister blood in their veins. > > My fathers mother was a Meister from Gutersloh (1857) My mother was a Goessling > from Bielefeld (1852) > > Any comments appreciated > > Roland Goessling Bauer near St. Louis USA > > 5th gen. Ger-Am > --------------E324A87B765BF6F463BA8653--

Is anyone on the list researching the name Schwerke, from Bad Salzbrunn.I believe it is now part of Poland. thanks betty

Hi there, A john STEFFENS, shugerbager of Hannover; on Countess of Lonsdale; Hamburg to London; on 22.04.1850, maybe your man. Maybe you could check the Hamburg Shipping Lists ! Len, in Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: Lauren Brockman <mslauren@bellsouth.net> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: [GERMANKING] STEFFENS circa 1835-1875 in "Germany" & England > Hello All > I'm new to this list and stabbing in the dark a > bit. > All I know from the 1881 UK Census is that > Margaret & John STEFFENS and > their eldest daughter Annie were born in > "Germany". Based on reported ages, John & > Margaret were born in the mid-1830s. Annie around > 1864. > The family emigrated to E London around 1865. > My question to the list is: > Can the surname STEFFEN(S) be narrowed down (based > on occurences of the surname) to certain "states" > or kingdoms in the area of now-Germany? > Since I've not been able to find anything more > than a reference to Germany > as to their birhtplace, I'm hoping to narrow down > my search area! > Any ideas? > TIA > > -- > Kind Regards, > Lauren Fearncombe Brockman > Click here to email me - > mailto:mslauren@bellsouth.net > > Surnames I'm researching: > > BARLEY - Northamptonshire, East London, Canada > STEFFENS / STEVENS - Germany, East London > FEARNCOMBE - Somerset, Portsmouth, India, > Wolverhampton > MARRIS - Worcester > HARLEY - Midlands > WILLIAMS - Breinton, Midlands > PATCHETT - England, Canada > TURPEL / TURPLE - Nova Scotia, Ontario > HYDE - Antrim N. Ireland, Ontario > MENARY - N. Ireland, Canada > > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > It is click and send ready > mailto:German-Kingdoms-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

The families I am searching are Engel, Ludolph and Meyer. I am looking for: --Information about Welhelm Engel, born in 1816 in area of Germany that was Poland in 1816. He married Caroline Muller, born 16 Apr 1820 in the same area of Germany. One son, August, was born 13 Oct 1844 in the same area. They emigrated to the USA in 1852. Anyone know anything about the town or church they were connected to in Germany? --Ancestors of Henry (Heinrich?) Peter Christoff Ludolph, born 1847 in Bispingen, Hanover, Germany. Married Caroline Wilhelmina Meyer, born 7 Jan 1850 in Bisbingen. They emigrated to USA in 1883 with 3 children, Lena, August and Emma. --Ancestors of Johann Heinrich Christoph Meyer, born 11 Jun 1828 in Germany, probably Westergellersen, church: H. Laurentises Kirche. Died 7 Jan 1879 in Germany.

Beginner' question: Is Sachsen-Meiningen a region rather than a city? But I know there is also a city with the name of Meiningen. I found the same was true with "Regenwalde" which was in Pomerania -- a part that is now in Poland. The confusion between regions and towns with the same names has lead me down the wrong roads.

When you see Dallas, Texas, you immediately understand that it is City, State. What would you assume if you saw Texas-Dallas? Probably the same. Just an awkward way of writing it. BUT ... In Germany, Darmstadt, Hessen is City, State. Hessen-Darmstadt is a federally administered district within the state of Hessen. Kassel, Hessen is City, State. But Hessen-Kassel is another federally administered district within the state of Hessen. In earlier times, Hessen-Darmstadt referred to a region of Germany, in this case, a Grand Duchy. You'll find other instances involving principalities, duchies, and similar. The insertion of a comma, and the insertion of a dash, become critical to your understanding of city vs. state, or city vs. Grand Duchy. Most of us, researching in Germany, do not clearly understand WHERE we are searching in advance of doing the research. The borders of "Germany" and its 16 modern states, although they bear the names from before there was a Germany, have fluctuated wildly over the centuries. A visit to the public library will help sort it all out. THEN go online. NOW .. What is Meiningen, Sachsen? And what is Sachsen-Meiningen? ;~) Don http://go.to/Hessen ----- Original Message ----- From: <JDMeissner@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Beginner' question: Is Sachsen-Meiningen a region rather than a city?

Hello All I'm new to this list and stabbing in the dark a bit. All I know from the 1881 UK Census is that Margaret & John STEFFENS and their eldest daughter Annie were born in "Germany". Based on reported ages, John & Margaret were born in the mid-1830s. Annie around 1864. The family emigrated to E London around 1865. My question to the list is: Can the surname STEFFEN(S) be narrowed down (based on occurences of the surname) to certain "states" or kingdoms in the area of now-Germany? Since I've not been able to find anything more than a reference to Germany as to their birhtplace, I'm hoping to narrow down my search area! Any ideas? TIA -- Kind Regards, Lauren Fearncombe Brockman Click here to email me - mailto:mslauren@bellsouth.net Surnames I'm researching: BARLEY - Northamptonshire, East London, Canada STEFFENS / STEVENS - Germany, East London FEARNCOMBE - Somerset, Portsmouth, India, Wolverhampton MARRIS - Worcester HARLEY - Midlands WILLIAMS - Breinton, Midlands PATCHETT - England, Canada TURPEL / TURPLE - Nova Scotia, Ontario HYDE - Antrim N. Ireland, Ontario MENARY - N. Ireland, Canada

The online telephone directory for Germany, and the International Genealogical Index, will show you where those surnames are found today. Sometimes the response is overwhelming because the surname is common. Take a look at the zip code zone map to get your bearings, then note the zip codes for the responses in the telephone directory. Match the zip code clusters you accumulate with the information in the IGI. I'd also join the surname mailing list for Steffens. All found a the website, below. ;~) Don http://go.to/Hessen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lauren Brockman <mslauren@bellsouth.net> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Margaret & John STEFFENS and eldest daughter Annie were born in "Germany".