This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8587707F67957C84B8BDA57C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of onterest to American German researchers. Helene --------------8587707F67957C84B8BDA57C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail (mbox txphlp44) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Jun 9 09:16:51 2000) X-From_: DEARMYRTLE-L-request@rootsweb.com Fri Jun 9 07:56:11 2000 Return-Path: <DEARMYRTLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: txphlp44@enol.com Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail.enol.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55D194116 for <txphlp44@enol.com>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e59Dtoc27074; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:55:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:55:50 -0700 X-Original-Sender: DearMYRTLE@aol.com Fri Jun 9 06:55:49 2000 From: DearMYRTLE@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.5f71a3e.2672513e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:55:10 EDT Old-To: DearMYRTLE-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id e59Dtnb27040 Subject: [DearMYRTLE-L] Appointment at Gau-Algesheim, Germany Resent-Message-ID: <atw8qB.A.wmG.ldPQ5@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: DEARMYRTLE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: DEARMYRTLE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <DEARMYRTLE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/755 X-Loop: DEARMYRTLE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: DEARMYRTLE-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 DearMYRTLE's DAILY GENEALOGY COLUMN Appointment at Gau-Algesheim, Germany From: DENZILKLIP@aol.com DearMYRTLE, I have been given an appointment July 4th, 2000 between 13:30 and 15:00 at the Gau-Algesheim Archives in Germany. Can you give me some advice on how to prepare myself? They have not allotted me much time and I want to make the most of it. Thanks for all of your encouragement and advice over the years. DearDENZIL, Although you don't have much time to prepare, I've followed your research somewhat over the years and anticipate that you'll make some interesting finds. By sending a message to the computers maintained in Germany by Arthur.Teschler@uni-giessen.de I located the following information about Gau-Algesheim Prefix: Gau-Algesheim Gau-Algesheim GKZ : 07 3 39 019 County : | | +---- Mainz-Bingen (Mainz) {MZ} RegBez : | +------- Rheinhessen-Pfalz Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz ZIP : 55435 Popul : 5728 Locat : 49d58m N 8d01m E Maps : TK25 6014 Ingelheim TK50 L6114 Mainz Euro Ia49 >From this I located Gau-Algesheim, in my Shell Atlas, and see that you will be close to the areas I also researched in the western side of Germany. It appears that the facility you plan to visit is a town archives, since the population is listted as 5,728. By consulting the Germany Research Outline located at: http://www.familysearch.org/sg/Germany.html we read: "Civil Registration Offices and Town Archives -- In most areas, local governments began recording births, marriages, and deaths between 1792 and 1876. Although most records are kept in local offices, a few have been turned over to the state archives. People who lived in small communities or villages usually registered in the nearest town, city, or municipality. Large cities and metropolitan areas are divided into civil registration districts. Civil registration records are not open for public inspection, but abstracts or photocopies are issued to direct descendants. If a particular archive does not have the records you seek, it will usually refer you to the correct archive. For more information about civil records, see the “Civil Registration” section of this outline." When requesting marriage records, for instance, you'll need to know about proclamations, supplements, contracts, registers and the like. The outline provides concise explanations of each. 1. Obviously, you'll need to PTINT OUT THE GERMANY RESEARCH OUTLINE. Be sure to look for an explanation of the double dating (calendar) system and about why probate records aren't generally as useful with German research as in the US. Also print out, highlight & study: -- German Letter Writing Guide http://www.familysearch.org/sg/LGGerman.html -- German Genealogical Word List http://www.familysearch.org/sg/WLGerman.html Review essentails of what to expect when looking at records of: Births - Geburten Marriages - Heiraten or Ehen, or Trauungen Deaths - Sterben or Tote -- Modern Germany Map http://www.familysearch.org/sg/MModernGermany.html -- Europe & Scandinavia Family History Centers http://www.familysearch.org/sg/Europe_and_Scandinavia_FHC.html (Here you'll also find the addresses of 2 American Servicemen Centers, which might be useful from a non-genealogy point of view in an emergency.) 2. PRINT OUT AN AHNENTAFEL CHART. While we in the US are accustomed to pedigree charts, the Germans I worked with while visiting in 1995 related better to the Ahnentafel arrangement of direct line ancestors. I also took my pedigree chart, because it made better sense to me. 3. If you plan to take your laptop, be sure to get several adapters, as some of the zimmerhofs have the older style wiring. 4. DETERMINE WHAT TYPES OF RECORDS ARE MAINTAINED IN THE ARCHIVES TODAY. While I have not been to this archives, I would counsel you to be aware that church records are sometimes also available at state archives, as apparently there is not the same separation of church and state in Germany. Perhaps the same source that provided the address and phone number for you to make the appointment has a report of the archive's collection. I tried in vain to locate a web site describing the facility, but this is probably due to the fact that it is a small town. 5. REMEMBER THE RECORDS WEREN'T DESIGNED WITH GENEALOGISTS IN MIND. A common mistake made by researchers throughout the world is to assume that the archivists are there just to cater to a genealogist's needs. Knowing you, I am assured that you'll have no problem with dressing appropriately, and demonstrating respect for the facility and the employees who are taking the time to work with you. 6. PROVIDE A LIST OF ANCESTORS & their family members and the dates they lived in the area -- family group sheets might do the trick. Plan to check for: -- Civil registration of birth, marriage and death -- Bürgerbücher or Bürgerlisten (citizenship books for middle & upperclass, as well as merchants & craftsmen) -- famillenbuch (family book) -- Leichenpredigten (published funeral sermon) -- Ortssippenbuch or Dorfsippenbuch (village lineage books) -- Zünfte, Innungen or Gilden (guilds or trade organizations) 7. CONSIDER THAT THE LDS FAMILY HISTORY LIBRARY CATALOG lists only one item for the Gau-Algesheim area, namely Catholic church records from the Diocese, covering the time period 1640-1896. I couldn't pull up the microfilm notes due to an "internal server error" but the entry read " Kirchenbuch, 1640-1896 Katholische Kirche Gau-Algesheim (Kr. Bingen) ." 8. ADDITIONAL RESOURCES: -- FEEFHS http://www.feefhs.org/ -- Lisa Peterson's Description of Geman onsite research - Stuttgart http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/stuttgart.html -- Lisa Peterson's Description of Geman onsite research - Baden-Wuerttemberg http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/badwue.html -- DearMYRTLE's "Germany: One Researcher's Trip" http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/germantrip.htm -- German Genealogical Societies, found in the Germany Research Outline (IBID) Pfalz and Rheinland: Arbeitsgemeinschaft Pfälzisch-Rheinische Familienkunde Rottstr. 17 (Stadtarchiv) 67061 Ludwigshafen/Rhein GERMANY Rheinland: Westdeutsche Gesellschaft für Familienkunde Postfach 10 08 22 51608 Gummersbach GERMANY -- Cyndi's List - Germany http://www.cyndislist.com/germany.htm -- Germany Rheinland-Pfalz WorldGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~deurhepf Have a GREAT trip! Please let me know how it goes, as I'd love to share your insights with my readers! Better yet, stop by our Monday night chat when you get back! Myrt :) DearMYRTLE, Daily Genealogy Columnist AOL Keyword: roots or myrtle www.DearMYRTLE.com -------------------------------- copyright 2000. All rights reserved. An easy-to-read web version of this column appears at: http://www.dearmyrtle.com/00/0609.htm To post a message on this topic, go to Myrt's Message Board located at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/DearMYRTLE Can't Click? Copy and paste URL to your web browser. ==== DEARMYRTLE Mailing List ==== THANKS to RootWeb for sponsoring this mail list! http://www.rootsweb.com --------------8587707F67957C84B8BDA57C--
What Do Those Initials Mean? Initials after your ancestor's names may provide useful information that you'd not expected. The following list includes initials you may come across when reading old wills or other documents. a.a.s. died in the year of his/her age (anno aetitis suae) (86 y/o or died in year 86 of his/her life) d.s.p. died without issue (decessit sine prole legitima) d.s.p.l. died without legitimate issue (decessit sine prole mascula supesita) d.s.p.m.s. died without surviving male issue (decessit sine prole mascula supersita) d.s.p.s died without surviving issue (decessit sine prole supersita) d.unm died unmarried d.v.p. died in the lifetime of his father (decessit vita patris) d.v.m. died in the lifetime of his mother (decessit vita matris) Et al and others (et alia) Inst present month (instans) Liber book or volume Nepos grandson Nunc Nuncapative will, an oral will, written by a witness Ob he/she died (obit) Relict widow or widower (relicta/relictus) Sic so or thus, exact copy as written Testes witnesses Utl late (ultimo) Ux or vs wife (uxor) Viz namely (videlicet)
HI: Just put the Hummel Web site up. Please check it out. http://members.xoom.com/EningenGer/Hummel/ Any information on Hummel's would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day. Frank Hummel of New Jersey Searching Hummel, Silpath, Peacock, Snellbaker, Moore, Firing, McPherson, Conrad, Hassinger, and Dougall. ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Hummel <BumbleBee@Hummel.org> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: [GERMANKING] German Medal > > HI: > > A medallion that was found on a German soldier in a cave in 1953 that has > the hummel twins on one side and adelweiss on the other side. If anyone has > any idea of the significance or its origin, please contact me. I have been > interested over the years to find out the meaning of the German soldier > wearing the medallion. Perhaps he was part of the Hummel > family and someone might know. Thank you. > > > > Just put the Hummel Web site up. > Please check it out. > http://members.xoom.com/EningenGer/Hummel/ > > Any information on Hummel's would be greatly appreciated. > > > Have a great day. > Frank Hummel of New Jersey > Searching Hummel, Silpath, Peacock, Snellbaker, Moore, > Firing, McPherson, Conrad, Hassinger, and Dougall. > > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Subscribers: > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >
HI: A medallion that was found on a German soldier in a cave in 1953 that has the hummel twins on one side and adelweiss on the other side. If anyone has any idea of the significance or its origin, please contact me. I have been interested over the years to find out the meaning of the German soldier wearing the medallion. Perhaps he was part of the Hummel family and someone might know. Thank you. Just put the Hummel Web site up. Please check it out. http://members.xoom.com/EningenGer/Hummel/ Any information on Hummel's would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day. Frank Hummel of New Jersey Searching Hummel, Silpath, Peacock, Snellbaker, Moore, Firing, McPherson, Conrad, Hassinger, and Dougall.
Hi I am trying to locate my ggrandfather KIRCHNER, Adam born about 06/03/1857 somewhere in Germany. He migrated between 1884-1889. His wife maiden name GUMPERT, Elizabeth and children migrated a year or so later. They had 5 children also born in germany. My grandmother born 09/25/1879; Frank born06/15/1882; Adolph born 11/16/1883;Katie born 12/24/84; and Albert born 01/05/1887. I heard that they migrated from Hamburg area and came over on a cattle boat. However all records were destroyed by a home fire and i have not been able to make any head way about my family. i would appreciate any information anyone can offer regarding the KIRCHNERS. Thanks so much. Betty Hayes BAHazy1@aol.com
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Is any one reseaching the name Schwerke,my grandmother Anna Schwerke came from Bad Salzbrunn Germany, to New York from Bremen ,i believe is part of Poland now. thamks betty
Is the census on the web? > I just found the 1870 census entry for my ggrandparents
In a message dated 6/3/2000 6:21:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GERMAN-KINGDOMS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > I just found the 1870 census entry for my ggrandparents who were 49 and 3= > 4 at=20 > the time. The census says they were both born in Prussia. Does that tak= > e in=20 > everything in Germany at the time? Seems like even as early as 1850 or -60 few on this side knew the difference. After 1871, of course, it was official on that side too.
> >Hallo, >Ich habe die Webseite von Schloss Rheinsberg gefunden. >Die Geschichte ist die gleiche Geschichte, die mir meine Großmutter >erzählte. So es muß das richtige Schloss Rheinsberg sein, wo sie wohnten >Das Bild, das ich vom Schloss habe, ist bald das Gleiche wie auf der >Webseite. >Nur meins ist in schwarz und weiß. > >I found the website for Schloss Rheinsberg. >The history of the Schloss Rheinsberg, is the same my grandmother >told me. So I guess it is the same place were they lived. >The picture I have from the Schloss is about the same as on the website. >Only my picture is in black and white. > >htt://www.rheinsberg.de/ > >Katharina >
Conrad Holsomback wrote: > How would I address mail to these individuals, found in the German telephone > directory?? > > Holzenbach Else (05 51) 7 97 49 21 > 37085 Göttingen, Elisabeth-Heimpel-Weg 1 > Holzenbach Hans (0 87 21) 56 52 > 84332 Hebertsfelden, Bergstr. 14 > Holzenbach Ilona (07 11) 36 77 15 > 73730 Esslingen, Friedrichstr. 5 > Holzenbach Wilfried (05 51) 9 46 66 > 37079 Göttingen, Unterer Reekenweg 22 This way: Else Holzenbach <= Name Elisabeth-Heimpel-Weg 1 <= Street D-37085 Göttingen <= zip code and town (D for Germany) Hans Holzenbach Bergstr. 14 D-84332 Hebertsfelden etc. * Dieter
>Translation in German below. >Deutsche Uebersetzung ist am Ende. > Hi, A while ago, I started to look for the Güter my family owned or managed. As a child I always heard Pommern. In the last year I checked about every map I could find from Pommern, for the Güter. This morning I found the location of the Güter, they are in Brandenburg Ostprigniz-Ruppin. One of the Gut was Schloss Rheinsberg My grandfather managed the Gut. I like to find some one who could give me some more information on the Gut. The next Gut is Meseberg a Gotthold von Lesssing owned the Gut. My father was born there. I like to find also more information from that Gut. I would appreciate any help I could get. Thank you Katharina > Hallo, Vor einiger Zeit hatte ich angefangen, die Güter zu suchen, auf denen meine Familie gewohnt hatten. Von Erzählung, als Kind hörte ich immer Pommern. Im letztem Jahr hatte ich, jede Karte von Pommern angesehen, und die Güter gesucht. Heute Morgen habe ich die Ortschaften gefunden. Die sind nicht in Pommern, die sind in Brandenburg. In Ostprigniz-Ruppin. Das eine Gut war das Schloß Rheinsberg. Mein Großvater hatte das Gut verwaltet. Ist jemand, der an der Liste ist, von der Umgebung?. Ich möchte gerne ein Bischen mehr von dem Gut oder der Umgebung herausfinden. Weiß jemand, ob da eine Webseite ist, von dem Schloß Rheinsberg. Das andere Gut is Meseberg. Ein Gotthold von Lessing gehörte das Gut. Mein Großvater hatte das Gut von Anfang 1900 bis nach dem 1. Weltkrieg verwaltet. Meine Vater war auf dem Gut aufgewachsen. Ich möchte sehr gerne mehr Auskunkt , auch von diesem Gut erhalten. Ich würde jedem für Auskunft,von den Gütern dankbar sein. Viele Grüße aus Arkansas Katharina
David Go to this website. It will tell you all about the various areas of Germany at different times PLUS an enormous amount of other information!! http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm GERMAN-KINGDOMS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > GERMAN-KINGDOMS-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 208 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [GERMANKING] copying documents ["Thilo C. Agthe" <tagthe@earthlink] > #2 [GERMANKING] Prussia [DAVIDREINH@aol.com] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [GERMANKING] Prussia > Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:26:53 EDT > From: DAVIDREINH@aol.com > To: GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com > > I just found the 1870 census entry for my ggrandparents who were 49 and 34 at > the time. The census says they were both born in Prussia. Does that take in > everything in Germany at the time? > I had been looking at Waltershausen in Thueringen since I had found a Johann > David Reinhardt there who was about the right age. Based on the census, I > think my ggrandfather is about 15 years too old to be the Johann David from > Waltershausen. I dont suppose being from Prussia will allow me to narrow > down the area of my search. Any suggestions?
I just found the 1870 census entry for my ggrandparents who were 49 and 34 at the time. The census says they were both born in Prussia. Does that take in everything in Germany at the time? I had been looking at Waltershausen in Thueringen since I had found a Johann David Reinhardt there who was about the right age. Based on the census, I think my ggrandfather is about 15 years too old to be the Johann David from Waltershausen. I dont suppose being from Prussia will allow me to narrow down the area of my search. Any suggestions?
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In a message dated 6/1/2000 10:21:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GERMAN-KINGDOMS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > What is the smallest & lightest digital camera which can still catch > faint writing or print? > I have tried the Toshiba PDR-2, a very basic fixed-focus 640X480 format camera, no flash or other adjustments. It is not suitable for this work. Although it will record photos and LARGE TYPE reasonably well, even in dim lighting, it does not focus closer than about a foot. It lacks an LCD display and one must fudge the parallax (the distance between the lens and the rangefinder). That's too bad, because on the plus side, it was "free," is very economical of batteries, fits neatly in a sport shirt pocket and shoots pretty well in low lighting. The software provided with it has minimal enhancement capabilities but does do what it advertises and is a fairly good organizer. I am looking forward to obtaining a 1-megapixel camera which should provide the needed resolution affordably. Needless to say, manual focus and aperture settings would be a plus in some situations, as well as flash or flood synchronization. The PDR-2 is so small I frequently get my finger in front of the lens and would prefer a single-lens reflex or LCD display viewfinder. Good optics are a must and a macro zoom capability is most desirable.
How would I address mail to these individuals, found in the German telephone directory?? Holzenbach Else (05 51) 7 97 49 21 37085 Göttingen, Elisabeth-Heimpel-Weg 1 Holzenbach Hans (0 87 21) 56 52 84332 Hebertsfelden, Bergstr. 14 Holzenbach Ilona (07 11) 36 77 15 73730 Esslingen, Friedrichstr. 5 Holzenbach Wilfried (05 51) 9 46 66 37079 Göttingen, Unterer Reekenweg 22 Conrad Holsomback mailto:triconholsomback@greenwood.net
Who has tried the various new methods of digital imaging useful for printed or handwriten documents? These images are stored directly in your lap top computer, so no heavy paper need be carried into libraries and court houses. Has anyone tried the C-PEN or QUICKLINK PEN for PC's? They the size of an exacto knife and are supposed to read up to 4 rows of printed text AS TEXT, which can be manipulated by your word processing program, as well as translate, write, store addresses etc. ($149.99 - $249.99) Has anyone tried PETISCAN, a tiny flatbet scanner weighing 1.31 pounds, with a scan area 5.8" x 3.9". They speak of scanning large-size images and text, but it is hard to imagine how. ($149.95) How would a digital cam recorder work, with instant editing on laptop, in the lighting of a court house or library? What is the smallest & lightest digital camera which can still catch faint writing or print?