Subject: [GERMANKING] The Geschlechterbuch Hello Listers -- Does anyone have the CD, which lists the surnames contained in The Geschlechterbuch? I would appreciate it if you could identify for me the source and cost for this. Thanks in advance, Charlie. < cnaundorf@worldnet.att.net > Charles H. NAUNDORF 35 Picture Book Park West Bloomfield, NY 14585 - 9102 USA Tel.: 716 - 624 -1406 _____________________________

HI: In 1804 my ggggrandfather, CASPAR HUMMEL, his wife MAGDELENA (WAGNER) HUMMEL and four children immigrated to Philadelphia, Pa. Of the four children I only know the name of one, JOHANN GEORG HUMMEL, my gggrandfather. I am trying to find out the names of the other children. Also, Casper's brother DAVID HUMMEL came on the same ship with his wife and seven children. I know one son was JAKOB HUMMEL, but I am also trying to find the names of the others. The ships manifest only listed the male names. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Frank Hummel. Please visit my web site that shows were ENINGEN is located. http://members.xoom/EningenGer/Hummel

I would like to add that I'm interested in this information as well. This may have influenced my great-great grandfather's decision to come to America, by himself, at the age of 14 when his parents and, possibly, other siblings stayed behind in Wissentrup, Germany. Pat McCoy ============================================================== "Nancy M. Atkinson" wrote: > I share your interest in finding military pre-1900 records. My ancestor > from the Prussian province of Saxony (now Sachsen-Anhalt) fought in the > Franco-Prussian war and 'supposedly' earned medals. I have no idea > whether records exist from this war (c.1870 I believe) but would love to > find out. > > Nancy > > > Does anyone know where I can locate military records for before 1900? > And how old were boys in >Germany when they enlisted or were enlisted in > military service? > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > It is click and send ready > mailto:German-Kingdoms-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

Hi All, I have been reading some church records and have stumbled across a girls' name that I can't read. All I can make out are A (which I think is for Anna) and D. The D has me baffled. There seem to be about 6 letters in the name. The name only appears twice - once in 1683 and then again in 1714. Can anyone suggest a name for a girl that it might be for this time frame? Thank you! Sue Dsjk2716@aol.com Rootsweb Sponsor

Dear Listers, Does anyone have the CD which lists the surnames contained in The Geschlechterbuch? I would appreciate it if you could identify for me the volumes containing the name BEHAGHEL (Frankfurt am Main). Also, would a set of the volumes be available anywhere in Australia? I am researching BEHAGHEL, also LANDER (Bonn) and MEYER (Hamburg). Thanks, in anticipation, Eunice Heinrich Byabarra (40 ks west of Port Macquarie, NSW, Aust)

Have you tried looking in the German Locality Catalogue of the Latter Day Saints, many Muster Rolls of Regiments of the Prussian Army are listed, as well as those due for Military Service. Len, in Somerset, England ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy M. Atkinson <rascalz@worldnet.att.net> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANKING] Military before 1900 > I share your interest in finding military pre-1900 records. My ancestor > from the Prussian province of Saxony (now Sachsen-Anhalt) fought in the > Franco-Prussian war and 'supposedly' earned medals. I have no idea > whether records exist from this war (c.1870 I believe) but would love to > find out. > > Nancy > > > > Does anyone know where I can locate military records for before 1900? > And how old were boys in >Germany when they enlisted or were enlisted in > military service? > > > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > It is click and send ready > mailto:German-Kingdoms-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > >

Not as of yet, what was your search criteria? ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Metzner <metzner@enterprise.net> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANKING] Military before 1900 > Have you tried looking in the German Locality Catalogue of the Latter Day > Saints, many Muster Rolls of Regiments of the Prussian Army are listed, as > well as those due for Military Service. > > Len, in Somerset, England > > > > I share your interest in finding military pre-1900 records. > > > > > > > Does anyone know where I can locate military records for before 1900? > > And how old were boys in >Germany when they enlisted or were enlisted in > > military service?

Dear list, researching my ancestor familyname Hentzgen. he was a fuerstlicher Vasall at Freigut Rockstedt. I think this belongs to Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen. Can anybody help me ? I haven´t found out anything about the Freigut except that it still exists. Thank you Ute Trimpert,Germany

I share your interest in finding military pre-1900 records. My ancestor from the Prussian province of Saxony (now Sachsen-Anhalt) fought in the Franco-Prussian war and 'supposedly' earned medals. I have no idea whether records exist from this war (c.1870 I believe) but would love to find out. Nancy > Does anyone know where I can locate military records for before 1900? And how old were boys in >Germany when they enlisted or were enlisted in military service?

I also haven't rec. any messages besides the one from someone wondering if they have been kicked off. I am of German descent, but actually not sure what this list is for. I am on one for German genealogy research, one for German food, and one about German life. What are we supposed to be posting on Kingdoms?? Thanks, anyone. Judy

Does anyone know where I can locate military records for before 1900? And how old were boys in Germany when they enlisted or were enlisted in military service? And why can I only locate some family members and not others that are from the same family? I have located allot of them in Thuringia, but others are nowhere to be seen.Did Thuringia have its own Royalty in the 1800's and who were they? Thanks, Lori

I have not been receiving any emails. Have i been kicked off?

apparently not, i rec'd your message....it has been quiet Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: <KEstes6534@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANKING] German Mailing Lists > I have not been receiving any emails. Have i been kicked off? > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > It is click and send ready > mailto:German-Kingdoms-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

Could someone please tell me where I might find information on UNTERSIEMAU and the prince that used to be there? I just found out my ancestors were part of his princely household, retinue. Thanks, Rhea in Az

I am hoping to find the email address of Volker Hahn. I found his name as the submitter of an ancestral file at familysearch.org. His information was the first real hit I've had in a long time and has provided me with about 100 years in a family line! If anyone knows his email address, I would appreciate it, if you could send it to me at jscl@mindspring.com Thank you Claudine Martin

I have located the file numbers containing the emigration information for both my great and great great grandmothers. At this site: <http://www.archive.nrw.de.kontakt/haupt.asp> there is an E-mail form for contacting the appropriate archive holding the files. I completed the address portion of the form providing the name and address information as is standard here in the US. In return I received an error message that requested that I fill out the fields: Name, postal code and place. Can any tell me whether this site is restricted to German addresses only? What did I do wrong? This is how I completed the form: Line 1 - Dittman, Jerome Line 2 - Left Blank Line 3 - 16924 Bakersville Road Line 4 - 21713 Boonsboro, MD Line 5 - USA Line 6 - Phone Number Line 7 - Left Blank Line 8 - DittDad@aol.com The files are located at Main State Archive of North Rhine Westphalia in Dusseldorf. While we are at it what can I expect the cost of obtaining these records to be? There are 8 pages. Thanks in advance for any information and assistance that you may be able to give. Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD

Of general interest: Because of FAQs, also off the lists: For a full list of German regional genealogy lists, with instructions on how to join each of them, see http://members.aol.com/gfsjohnf/gen_mail_country-ger.html And please note: Many beginner's questions answered to the list could be avoided if lister would inform *first* what rich info "Rootsweb.com" and other well known web sites, such as "Cyndi's List" and "Genealogy.net" provide. Besides providing a lot of genealogical info there are archives you can search for surnames and certain terms from former postings' contents. Try to have a look on these and other web sites to experience their helpful contents! Make a genealogical voyage on the web. Juergen ***************************** Jürgen Fritsche (Germany) ----------------------------- genealogy@ib-fritsche.de *****************************

Hello, Genealogy Friends!/Hallo Freunde der Genealogie! Thank you for your information and ideas regarding my genealogical research and travels in Braunschweig/Brunswick und in Elsaß-Lothringen/Alsace-Lorraine. Danke für die Informationen und die Ideen für meine Reise und meine geneologie Forschung in Braunschweig/Brunswick und ins Elsaß-Lothringen/Alsace-Lorraine. Ich suche Informationen zu folgenden Familiennamen aus/I am looking for the following families from Elsaß-Lothringen/Alsace-Lorraine [VOGES?] - Braunschweig/Brunswick - New Orleans, Louisiana, United States of America - Jackson/Tilsit, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri, United States of America (VOGES-VASTERLING - 1853 - USA; SIEVERS-PFÖERTNER(S) - 1845 - USA). Ich suche Kontakt zu Nachkommen von MÄASBERG/MARSBERG/MASEBERG, PRÖERTNER(S), SIEVERS, SPANDAU, VOGES und VASTERLING. Es gibt die Cousine?/Are you, or do you know of any relatives? Information regarding ancestors is as follows/Ich suche Informationen und Kontakt zu Nachkommen von: MY FATHER/MEIN VATER: Bernard Herman Lee VOGES b./geb. 20 Oct 1915, Cape Girardeau, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri m./verh (Willadean) Virlea GRIFFIN 06 Aug 1940, Huntsville, Randolph County, Missouri d./gest. 16 Aug 1979, Davenport, Scott County, Iowa bur./beerdigt Huntsville City Cemetery, Huntsville, Randolph County, Missouri FATHER OF/VATER VON Bernard Herman Lee VOGES: Hermann Friedrich aka Herman Frederick VOGES b./geb. 18 Jan 1881, Tilsit, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri m./verh 19 Mar 1908 d./gest. 6 Feb 1966, Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri bur./beerdigt Memorial Park Cemetery, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri PARENTS OF /ELTERN VON Hermann Friedrich aka Herman Frederick VOGES: Heinrich Friedrich Christoph aka Henry Charles VOGES [Immigrated through Bremen/New Orleans to Jacsen [sic]/Tilsit, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri; have ship's passenger list record for this individual, his parents, and two sisters] b./geb. 13 Apr 1846, [Berel?, Bruanschweig, Duchy, Prussia] m./verh Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS 25/29 Nov 1869 d./gest. 26 June 1931, Jackson,Cape Girardeau County, Missouri bur./beerdigt Jackson City Cemetery, Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri AND/UND Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS b./geb. 27/28 Spet 1850/1851, near Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri d./gest. 17 May 1944, Cape Girardeau, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri bur./beerdigt Jackson City Cemetery, Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri [Her oldest brother, Heinrich aka Henry is said to have immigrated at 4 months of age from Berel, Braunschweig, Duchy in Prussia, via Bremen and New Orleans and the Mississippi River to Tilsit/Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri, with their parents, August Friedrich aka August Frederick and Louise Dorothea aka Doretta PFÖRTNER(S).] CHILDREN OF/KINDERN VON Heinrich Friedrich Christoph aka Henry Charles VOGES AND Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS: [Unknown] VOGES; Karl aka Charles VOGES; Wilhelmina "Minnie" VOGES; Wilhelm Friedrich Philipp aka William Phillip aka W. P. "Bill"; Hermann Friedrich aka Hermann Frederick VOGES; Ida Lena VOGES; Robert H. "Bob" VOGES; Lena B./L. VOGES; Henry August "Gus" VOGES; Alma Marie aka Maria Alma VOGES. PARENTS OF/ELTERN VON Heinrich Friedrich Christoph aka Henry Charles VOGES/MY GREAT-GRANDPARENTS/MEINE URGROßELTERN: Johann Friedreich Wilhelm aka Fredrick "Fred" VOGES [Zimmergesell (Carpenter's apprentice/journeyman carpenter) and Brinksitzer (One without land who lives at the edge of town)] b./geb. circa 1804, [Berel?, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia?] m./verh Johanna Louise Christine aka Louisa VASTERLING 21 Feb 1836 d./gest. ante 1870 , [Unknown], Cape Girardeau County, Missouri] bur./beerdigt [Unknown], Cape Girardeau County, Missouri] AND/UND Johanna Louise Christine aka Louisa VASTERLING b./geb. 7 Feb 1812, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia d./gest. 2/3 May 1891, [[Unknown], Byrd Township, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri] bur./beerdigt [Unknown], Cape Girardeau County, Missouri]/Lutheran Burying Ground/[Gordonville, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri?], [William WESSELL, Undertaker/Funeral Home] KNOWN CHILDREN OF/GEKANNT KINDERN VON Johann Friedreich Wilhelm aka Fredrick "Fred" VOGES and Johanna Louise Christine aka Louisa VASTERLING: Dorothee Caroline Henriette aka Dorothea VOGES b./geb. 7 Oct 1835, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia m./verh Johann aka John Probst 7 Aug 1854 d./gest. bur./beerdigt [with some of children, in a Cape Girardeau, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri, Cemetery, not in Gordonville, Gape Girardeau County, Missouri, Lutheran Cemetery with husband Dorothee Caroline Friederike b./geb. 20 Feb 1839, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia m./verh d./gest. bur./beerdigt Heinrich Friedrich Christoph aka Henry Charles VOGES b./geb. 13 Apr 1846, [Berel?, Bruanschweig, Duchy, Prussia] m./verh Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS 25/29 Nov 1869 d./gest. 26 June 1931, Jackson,Cape Girardeau County, Missouri bur./beerdigt Jackson City Cemetery, Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri AND/UND Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS b./geb. 27/28 Spet 1850/1851, near Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri d./gest. 17 May 1944, Cape Girardeau, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri bur./beerdigt Jackson City Cemetery, Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri [Her oldest brother, Heinrich aka Henry is said to have immigrated at 4 months of age from Berel, Braunschweig, Duchy in Prussia, via Bremen and New Orleans and the Mississippi River to Tilsit/Jackson, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri, with their parents, August Friedrich aka August Frederick and Louise Dorothea aka Doretta PFÖRTNER(S).] PARENTS OF /ELTERN VON Johann Friedreich Wilhelm aka Fredrick "Fred" VOGES [Zimmergesell (Carpenter's apprentice/journeyman carpenter) and Brinksitzer (One without land who lives at the edge of town)]: Christian Carl VOGES [Zimmergesells] AND/UND Ilse Elisabeth MARSBERG KNOWN CHILDREN of/GEKANNT KINDERN VON: Christian Carl VOGES and Ilse Elisabeth MARSBERG/MÄASBERG/MASEBERG: Dorothee Christine Henriette VOGES b./geb. [Berel?, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia] m./verh Joh. Hennig Carl aka Carl SÖHLIG [Son of/Sohn der kotsassen (Small farmers) and/und Leinwebers (linenweavers) Christian SÖHLIG and Louisa ELSMANN] d./gest. bur./beerdigt Frederick aka Johann Friedrich Wilhelm VOGES b./geb. c. 1804 [Berel?, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia] m./verh Louisa aka Johanna Louise Christine VOGES 21 Feb 1836 bur./beerdigt PARENTS OF/ELTERN VON Johanna Louise Christine aka Louisa VASTERLING: [Johann Ferdinand VASTERLING?] [Leinwebers (Linenweavers) and Brinksitzers (Lives without land at the edge of town)] AND/UND Marie Christine Elisabeth SPANDAU PARENTS OF MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER/ELTERN VON MEINER GROßMUTTER: Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS: August Friedrich aka August Fredrick SIEVERS [Family tradition says that he was not the eldest son and would, therefore, not inherit, offering motivation for his, his wife, and their son Heinrich aka Henrys' 1845 immigration? Obviously, this concept indicates that he had at least one male sibling.]: b./geb. 16 Feb 1818, Braunschweig, Duchy, Prussia m./verh Louise Dorothea aka Doretta PFÖRTNER(S), 27 Feb 1847 at St. Jacob's/James' United Church of Christ, Tilsit, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri d./gest. 14 Jul 1866 bur./beerdigt [Unknown], Cape Girardeau County, Missouri AND/UND Louise Dorothea aka Doretta PFÖRTNER(S): b./geb. Jan 1826, Engelade, Braunschweig, Duchy in Prussia m./verh 2. Carl aka Charles Julius Christian MEIER d./gest. 10 Feb 1874, [Unknown], Cape Girardeau County, Missouri bur./beerdigt Old Lorimier Cemetery, Cape Girardeau, Cape Girardeau County, Missouri [No gravestone.] CHILDREN OF/KINDERN VON August Friedrich aka August Fredrick SIEVERS AND/UND Louise Dorothea aka Doretta PFÖRTNER(S): Heinrich aka Henry SIEVERS; William SIEVERS; Henriette Caroline Louise aka Caroline "Lena" SIEVERS (See previous information.); Henriette Caroline Augusta aka Henriette SIEVERS; August SIEVERS, Jr.; Wilhelmina Carolina "Minnie" SIEVERS; Henriettte Caroline Augusta aka Augusta SIEVERS; Charles Louis SIEVERS Thank you for your help/Vielen Dank für Seine Hilfe, Ann VOGES SCHWARTZ 7508-36th Avenue Moline, IL 61265-8019 309-792-3343 E-mail: 76641.110@CompuServe.com

Hi! Have been lurking and am learning a lot from this list -thank you. I am very new to German research(plus I don't know the language.) Tonight, a wonderful "cousin" gave me a bunch of information on my great grandmothers' family. It seems that great grandmother and her older brother were both illegitimate births, then the parents married. The parents went on to have a number of other children. I just wonder why the first two were illegitimate? In my Scottish research, I have found there is the tradition of "hand-fasting". Which basically means that the couple are committed to one another, but for lack of a clergyman or civil registrar - are not formally married. Usually there is only one child born before the marriage takes place. Is there a similar practice in Germany in the 1860's? Thank you for any insight into German life. Sue De Haas Dsjk2716@aol.com Rootsweb Sponsor Searching: BACHMANN & CHRIST - Freien Seen; KUFS - Leipzig; SCHAEFER -Jauer (Silesia)

Hi all, strongly suggested to post Mecklenburg info also on Mecklenburg-L. Send a message containing only (!) the following text in the body of the mail: subscribe mecklenburg-l to: majordomo@genealogy.net Do not include anything else in the text portion of the message (not even a blank), as this may confuse majordomo (ie no signatures). Please be aware that the listowner must approve all subscriptions, so there may be a slight delay in getting subscribed. Info: the current placename is Prebberede. Juergen ***************************** Jürgen Fritsche (Germany) ----------------------------- genealogy@ib-fritsche.de ***************************** > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: KatAlbaum@aol.com [mailto:KatAlbaum@aol.com] > Gesendet am: Sonntag, 13. August 2000 06:38 > An: GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: [GERMANKING] Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Kaiser 1834-1853 > (town-Schwetzin or Jordenstorf) > > Anyone descended from the Siblings of Fritz Kaiser b. 1853 and > Joachim Kaiser > b. 1841 I would like to hear from. Thanks! > Kathy Caprio Albaum, gr-granddaughter of Fritz Kaiser. > > KAISER > 1. JOACHIM1 KAISER was born Bef. 1834 in Kobrow, Laage. > Child of JOACHIM KAISER is: > 2. i. JOHANN JOACHIM HENRICH2 KAISER, b. Preberede. > Generation No. 2 > > 2. JOHANN JOACHIM HENRICH2 KAISER (JOACHIM1) was born in Preberede. He > married AUGUSTE MARIA DOROTHEA CHRISTIANA TIMM October 31, 1834 in > Joerdenstorf, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany, daughter of GUSTAV TIMM and > MARGARETHA JENSS. She was born December 18, 1814 in Schwetzin, > Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany, and died January 24, 1862 in Schwetzin, > Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany. > Children of JOHANN KAISER and AUGUSTE TIMM are: > i. MARIA SOPHIA CAROLINA FRIEDERICA3 KAISER, b. June 07, 1834, > Prebberede, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; m. WILHELM JOHANN CHRISTIAN > PAEPKE, August 18, 1857, Joerdenstorf, Mecklenburg, Schwerin, Germany; b. > March 01, 1830, Levitzow, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany. > ii. FREIDERICA AUGUSTA SOPHIA KAISER, b. June 22, 1837, Schwetzin, > Mecklenburg, Schwerin, Germany; m. JOCHIM HEINRICH JOHANN TIMM, > October 18, > 1863, Joerdenstorf, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany. > iii. JOACHIM "JOSEPH" JOHANN ERNST THEODOR KAISER, b. > April 14, 1840, > Germany; d. January 27, 1914, Pittsford, NY; m. CAROLINA SOPHIA > FRIEDERICA > MARIA PAEPKE, 1867, USA; b. March 29, 1843, Perow, Mecklenburg; > d. September > 26, 1908, Pittsford, NY. > iv. JOHANN CHRISTOPH ERNST FRIEDRICH KAISER, b. January 28, 1842, > Schwetzin, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; d. January 04, 1843, Schwetzin, > Mecklenburg, Schwerin, Germany. > v. SOPHIA MARIA HANNA AUGUSTA KAISER, b. February 29, 1844, > Schwetzin, > Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany. > vi. JOHANN FRIEDRICH LUDWIG THEODOR KAISER, b. June 22, 1847. > vii. WILHELMINA SOPHIA FRIEDERIKA KAISER, b. December 23, 1850, > Schwetzin, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany. > viii. FRITZ "FREDERICK" LUDWIG MARTIN CHRISTOPH KAISER, b. > September > 20, 1853, Schwetzin, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; d. 1916, > Rochester, New > York; m. WILLIMINA DOROTHEA FREDERIKA SHREIBER, Abt. 1879; b. > October 1859; > d. 1919, Rochester. > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation? Longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > It is click and send ready > mailto:German-Kingdoms-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >