My ancestor Michael Albert of Mehla, Ger. married Rosina Fleischer von Kortzscha about 1705. In searching for Kortzscha, I found three possibilities: Ko(..)tzschau west of Leipzig; Kertzsch northeast of Greiz; and Koitzsch, northwest of Dresden. Can anyone help me to select the most likely match if any? Emil Albert [email protected]

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Ackerer is a farm labourer German Government gave the permission, or rather the duchy or whereever he was from, as there was no german government at that time Regards Almuth ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Kurtz <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 5:33 AM Subject: [GERMANKING] Loesch > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, "Michael Palmer" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Der Ackerer Johann Loesch, 43 Jahre, mit seiner Frau Katharina Fuchs, > 44 Jahre, und den Kindern Peter, 15 Jahre; Katharina, 13 Jahre; > Barbara, 11 Jahre; Johann, 9 Jahre; Jakob, 4 Jahre; und Maria, 6 > Monate. Of Uchtelfangen [now part of D-66557 Illingen]. Permission > to emigrate to the U.S.A., 26 June 1846. > > > I can not find the word Ackerer, but I found that acker is to till or > of the land I thought Ackerer is a farmer but there was another word > in the dictionary for farmer. Could Ackerer be the land owner or > perhaps a farm laborer and not a farmer? > > Who gave the permission to emigrate, The German Government, or was it > permission from the US government to enter the US? > > What German government would have been in power in Uchtelfangen at that time? > > According to my other records Peter should have been 17 in 1846, My > Aunt once told me that her great grandparents (Johann) had emigrated > to keep Peter from having to go to war. What where the laws like > regarding military service ? If they they had admitted he was 17 > could he have left the country? Was there a specific war going on or > just the never ending fueds? > > > I am trying to find the ship they sailed on. Once permission was > granted to leave how long would they have to wait to get a boat and > from what port would they have likely taken? > > > Your help and patience is appreciated. > Keith Kurtz > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ______________________________

austragen - delivering Soeldnerin- employee It looks like she was delivering something and getting paid for it. It could have been newspapers, notices etc. hope this helps Almuth ----- Original Message ----- From: Michele Birkner <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 7:12 PM Subject: [GERMANKING] Funeral Card > I am trying to translate an old funeral card from my gggm and am stumped > on one word. The card reads: > > To the pious memory of the honour noted woman, Magdalena Maier > > Austragsoeldnerin in Haselfurth > > The word I'm having no luck with is Austragsoeldnerin. I was told it > might possibly be an occupation and I'm assuming Haselfurth is a town. > Anyone have any ideas? The card is in old script. > Thanks, Michele > > ______________________________

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4EB71C2D36B5112EEBF65BDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not look at this site, but it is described as: "record of the early families of the German-Russian settlement near Bethune/Burlington, Colorado." http://www.nathankramer.com/settle/index.htm I hope that someone finds it helpful !! Julie Nolan Canada searching KOEHLER/KOHLER/ETC, GAUSS, ANHALT, GERING, RIVERS, LA RIVERE --------------4EB71C2D36B5112EEBF65BDC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="unicorn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for S+J Nolan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="unicorn.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Nolans x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] note:God Bless the Little Ones :) fn:Nolans end:vcard --------------4EB71C2D36B5112EEBF65BDC--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------51C12E10BF5439EAE27B6ECE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is "the GRANDMA CD" ? Julie Nolan --------------51C12E10BF5439EAE27B6ECE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="unicorn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for S+J Nolan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="unicorn.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Nolans x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] note:God Bless the Little Ones :) fn:Nolans end:vcard --------------51C12E10BF5439EAE27B6ECE--

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, "Michael Palmer" <[email protected]> wrote: Der Ackerer Johann Loesch, 43 Jahre, mit seiner Frau Katharina Fuchs, 44 Jahre, und den Kindern Peter, 15 Jahre; Katharina, 13 Jahre; Barbara, 11 Jahre; Johann, 9 Jahre; Jakob, 4 Jahre; und Maria, 6 Monate. Of Uchtelfangen [now part of D-66557 Illingen]. Permission to emigrate to the U.S.A., 26 June 1846. I can not find the word Ackerer, but I found that acker is to till or of the land I thought Ackerer is a farmer but there was another word in the dictionary for farmer. Could Ackerer be the land owner or perhaps a farm laborer and not a farmer? Who gave the permission to emigrate, The German Government, or was it permission from the US government to enter the US? What German government would have been in power in Uchtelfangen at that time? According to my other records Peter should have been 17 in 1846, My Aunt once told me that her great grandparents (Johann) had emigrated to keep Peter from having to go to war. What where the laws like regarding military service ? If they they had admitted he was 17 could he have left the country? Was there a specific war going on or just the never ending fueds? I am trying to find the ship they sailed on. Once permission was granted to leave how long would they have to wait to get a boat and from what port would they have likely taken? Your help and patience is appreciated. Keith Kurtz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

I recently posted a step-by-step procedure for discovering this information to this list. You can find it in the mailing list archives. You can answer your question and find the film numbers following the procedure. ;~) Don http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm

Can anyone tell me if the Lutheran Church, in Münchenbernsdorf, Triptis and Schona, been filmed be the LSD? Or would there duplicate copies be housed elsewhere? Regards, Beryl

Hello, I would like to post some recently received information on my German families (some of whom came from Russia) and others who maybe did or maybe didn't ...don't know. The following is information which came from Mennonite records (bless them for that)....and is only part of the very generous outpouring of information that has followed my initial inquiry. You are an amazing group of people and thank goodness Mother Russia's loss was the our gain ( our = the free world) . I've gotten to know a few of you a little bit and I'm looking forward to making the acquaintance of more of you. It feels like coming home. "I did find on the GRANDMA CD a reference to an Agnes Moritz, born 18 Jan 1894. Her family's data is found in the oldest church record book of the Reedley Mennonite Brethren Church in Reedley, California. Her parents were Friedrich J. Moritz and Wilhelmine Kusch. Wilhelmine Kusch was, in turn, the daughter of a Heinrich Kusch. Friedrich J. Moritz was born 14 Apr 1862. Wilhelmine Kusch was born 16 Sept 1863 and died 27 July 1935. She had previously been married to a John Kiepke. Friedrich and Wilhelmine were married 12 Feb 1886. The church records indicate that they had nine children, of whom Agnes was the fifth in line. Friedrich J. Moritz, in turn, was the son of Friedrich Moritz and Florentina Grabowski. Their family record is found in the old records of the Ebenfeld Mennonite Brethren Church near Hillsboro, Kansas (Marion County). The records say that Friedrich Moritz was born 19 June 1841 in Reichenburg, and was baptized into the Mennonite Brethren Church on 30 Mar 1878. He married Florentina Grabowski, the daughter of Jakob Grabowski, on 20 June 1860. She was born 6 Jan 1842, place unknown. One entry in the church records gives her surname as "Garbewsky." The record lists three children, of whom Friedrich J. was the oldest. The Ebenfeld records also state that the family migrated to the United States from Russia in 1875. Incidentally, the Ebenfeld Church was a rather interesting collection of ethnic Mennonites and recent Lutheran converts. The minister of the church was a certain Abraham Cornelsen, who had been exiled from the Mennonite Molotschna Colony due to a church schism which had been viewed as dangerous by the Mennonite leaders in the colony. As a result, he resided for a time with Lutheran Germans in the surrounding area, and established a Mennonite Brethren congregation that contained a significant number of former Lutheran families. I believe that the Moritz and Kusch families were among those formerly Lutheran families." Malinda Jones wrote: > The other day , I forgot to mention that I also have a Thiessen line that > were Mennonites (in addition to my Moritz line). I know very little about > them. My grandfather was Pete D. Thiessen (b. 7 Jun 1890) .It gives Major > Co.OK as his birthplace on his death certificate, but it could very well > have been Marion Co.KS. His father is listed as D. Thiessen, birth place > Russia and his mother is listed as unknown, with Russia as the birthplace. > > Pete D. Thiessen married Agnes Moritz , daughter of Freidrich J. Moritz and > Wilhelmine Kusch. You sent me some of their information the other day (from > one of the older record books in Reedley. They were part of the Ebenfeld > Brethren Church in Hillsboro,Marion Co. KS.) "The GRANDMA database does have some information on Peter D. Thiessen's ancestry. Both Peter and Agnes appear in the database, but were not shown to have been married. I will pass that new information on to the person in charge of such updates. Peter Thiessen's father was Dietrich Thiessen, born 12 August 1852. On 24 October 1876 he married Susanna Braun, born 27 September 1855. Susanna died on 23 April 1926 in Okeene, Oklahoma. Dietrich Thiessen's parents were Dietrich Thiessen and Aganetha Klassen. We have no dates or further information for them in the database. Susanna Braun's father was Bernhard Braun, born in about 1825. In about 1847 he married Catharina Teichroeb, born in about 1826. " The above information was given to me by Alan Peters and Kevin Enns-Rempel. Tim Janzen also added that the Freidrich Moritz family immigrated on the CIMBRIA from Hamburg (ca. 4 Aug 1875) to NY (arr. 18 Aug 1875) and that the LDS film for the 1875 Hamburg departure lists is 472908 (which can be ordered through the local FHC). ...also that other German passengers who departed on the CIMBRIA that day were from the village of Mariupol , a city on the north shore of the Sea of Azov. Tim further mentioned that Reichenburg (the town where Freidrich Moritz was born 19 June 1841) was not a Mennonite village. My grandmother (nee Moritz) told us that her family was from Germany (not Russia) and it is so indicated on her death certificate (just that "Germany") and on grandfather Thiessen's certificate the place of birth of his parents is "Russia". On another list a blurb appeared the other day that said that anyone having Polish ancestors born between 1775 and 1918 (the 143 years when Poland disappeared from the map) would find them "in either Russia, Prussia (Germany) or Austria . The place of birth may have changed name and nationality several times during those years and the place may not even be in Poland today."......now......one of the many locations of Reichenburgs was listed as being in the Brandenburg area of Germany , northwest of Berlin near the border of Poland (which would have been called Russia at that time ?). ....also....Friedrich married Florentina Grabowski (b.20 June 1860 , place unknown). A Grabow descendant recently contacted me and her ancestors were from a town nortwest of Berlin called Schilde , Perleburg , Brandenburg. We are still wondering if Grabow and Grabowski are spelling permutations of the same name. We would welcome your comments and opinions on this. Sorry this was so long (for those of you who read all the way through it...thank you). Are there any comments or connections out there ?? Malinda Thiessen Jones

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Katharina, Thanks a million for your help. Do you or does anyone else know if this would have been a common occupation...Austragsoeldner...for a woman in the late 1800s in Germany? Michele

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I am trying to translate an old funeral card from my gggm and am stumped on one word. The card reads: To the pious memory of the honour noted woman, Magdalena Maier Austragsoeldnerin in Haselfurth The word I'm having no luck with is Austragsoeldnerin. I was told it might possibly be an occupation and I'm assuming Haselfurth is a town. Anyone have any ideas? The card is in old script. Thanks, Michele

Austrag- carrier,roundsman,collect; Soeldner- Mercenary It is a clerk who filles out certificates and notarized the certificates for a fee. Katharina Hines ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Meg, My grandfather Carl Friedrich (Charles Edward) SCHUBERT was born 19 May 1864 in Schlossvippach, Thuringen, (about 25 miles NW of Schongleina). I believe his father was Frederich Lorenz (Franz-Louis) SCHUBERT, b. 4 Feb 1823 in Schlossvippach. They are listed as passengers (Germans to America) on the ship CLARA from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 05 Aug 1867. (There has been mention of a Frank Schubert in connection with a hotel outside of Baltimore, but no dates.) Charles SCHUBERT married Mettie Ruth LEWIS (b.1866 d.1908) in Cherokee, IA . They had 2 sons, my father Bernard William SCHUBERT b. 01 May 1894 d. Jun 1960 and Homer Marion SCHUBERT. That's the only other mention of Bernhard I've seen. Pat Schubert Zippin At 1:48 PM -0700 9/5/99, Meg Healey wrote: >Is anyone researching the surname SCHUBERT from Schöngleina. >My Grandfather Franz Bernhard SCHUBERT was born in Schöngleina >in approx 1862. He was the son of Traugott SCHUBERT and Luise >STEINIGER. >I would love to hear from anyone who has an interest in either of the >surnames or the village of Schöngleina. > >Meg

Is anyone researching the surname SCHUBERT from Schöngleina. My Grandfather Franz Bernhard SCHUBERT was born in Schöngleina in approx 1862. He was the son of Traugott SCHUBERT and Luise STEINIGER. I would love to hear from anyone who has an interest in either of the surnames or the village of Schöngleina. Meg

I'm new to this list & I am hoping to find some leads on the German part of my family tree. William VOELP (or VOLP?) b c 1850 d unk. He immigrated c. 1883. He married Elise TRAUTMANN b. 1863 m. 20 Feb 1887. He was the son of Jacob VOELP and Eva ASMER. She was the daughter of Johan TRAUTMANN and Louise KOHRS. She immigrated c. 1880 John WAGNER b unk d unk. He married Katherine HECKER or HERKNAUER b 24 Oct 1854 Phil, PA d 24 Jan 1939 NJ. Nothing more on her father but mother was Cecelia Ursula MUELLER b 28 Mar 1826 NYC d 13 Mar 1923 Hudson, NJ. Thanks for any info. Cate, New Orleans

Dear friends, If anyone has handy access to the Schaumburger Auswanderer 1820-1914 by Heinrich Riekenberg, I would greatly appreciate having the information included about the following people, whom I found in the Passenger List Index Supplement for 1999, the page references refer to the Schaumburger Auswanderer: Clabes, Adolph Johannes Ludolph; America, 1887, page 353 Clabes, Charlotte Louise; St. Louis, 1886, page 350 (I think this is my great-grandmother) Clabes, Albert Christian; America, 1868, page 270 Clabes, Friedrich Wilhelm; Buenos Aires, 1884, page 342 Thank you for any help you can provide. Cordially, Carole Brandt

You may want to check the Hessian Soldier link at http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/soldiers.htm :) Don ----- Original Message ----- From: adele duff <[email protected]> > My ancestor Jean-Adam Thofft was born about 1758 in Thuringia, Germany. He came to Canada with the British Army during the Revolutionary war.