I'm looking for information on the WINKLER family from Hertigswalde. Karl Winkler was born 19 Nov 1818 at Hertigswalde. He came to the U.S.A in 1883 (at the age of 65) and settled in Chicago, IL. A year later he located with his family on a farm near Barrington, IL. He had six children; three of them came to the U.S.A. If anyone else is doing research in the area around Hertigswalde/Sebnitz, I'd like to hear from you. Sandy Demlow

This is description of the ship that the Heinrich Kusch family sailed to America from Hamburg-Havre-NYC , arriving NYC 28 July 1880 . SUEVIA The "Suevia" was built by Caird & Co. Greenock, Scotland in 1874 for Hamburg America Line. She was a 3609 gross ton vessel, length 360.3ft x beam 41ft, one funnel, two masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 13 knots. There was accommodation for 100-1st, 70-2nd and 600-3rd class passengers. Launched on 1/6/1874, she sailed from Hamburg on her maiden voyage to Havre and New York on 21/10/1874. She was transferred to the Naples - New York service on 11/4/1894 and ran between Hamburg - New York and Mediterranean ports - New York until 27/10/1894 when she commenced her last Hamburg - New York voyage. On 10/4/1895 she sailed on her last Naples - New York voyage and in 1896 was sold to a French company who renamed her "Quatre Amis". In 1896, she stranded in the River Scheldt, was refloated and scrapped at Marseilles the same year. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1, p.391] [Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Ted Finch - 6 October 1997] The steamship SUEVIA was built for the Hamburg America Line by Caird & Co, Greenock (ship #180), and launched on 1 June 1874. 3,609 tons; 109,8 x 12,5 meters (length x breadth); straight bow, 1 funnel, 2 masts; iron construction, screw propulsion (double-expansion engines), service speed 13 knots; passenger accommodation: 100 in 1st class, 70 in 2nd class, 600 in steerage; crew of 115. 21 October 1874, maiden voyage, Hamburg-Havre-New York. 1884, new boilers by Reiherstiegwerft. 13 April 1889, in dense fog off the Nantucket lightship, collided with the American pilot schooner COMMODORE BATEMAN, with sank with the loss of 2 lives. 11 April 1894-10 April 1895, 6 roundtrip voyages, Naples-New York. 27 October 1894, last voyage, Hamburg New York. 1896, sold to Schiaffino, Nyer & Siges, Algiers; renamed QUATRE AMIS. 1898, stranded in the River Scheldt; refloated and towed to Marseilles, where she was scrapped [Arnold Kludas and Herbert Bischoff, Die Schiffe der Hamburg- Amerika-Linie, Bd. 1: 1847-1906 (Herford: Koehler, 1979), p. 30 (photograph); Noel Reginald Pixell Bonsor, North Atlantic Seaway; An Illustrated History of the Passenger Services Linking the Old World with the New (2nd ed.; Jersey, Channel Islands: Brookside Publications), vol. 1 (1975), p. 391]. Also pictured in Michael J. Anuta, Ships of Our Ancestors (Menominee, MI: Ships of Our Ancestors, 1983), p. 318, courtesy of the Steamship Historical society of America, Langsdale Library, University of Baltimore, 1420 Maryland Ave., Baltimore, MD 21201. - {Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Michael Palmer - 11 March 1998]

Check out http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/links.htm in Table #2. ;~) Don

Hi Katharina and the others, thank's so far for the hints. Well, I also think that Cohen is the closest, i.e. the old Jewish name. Seems possible, since there used to be many Jews in this region at that time. My Grandma told me about it. Maybe somebody knows a website about Jewish names and Genealogy? The interpretation using German names modified when entering the USA is not possible in this case, since the ancestors were living in the German territories and this name is in this form in the church registers. Another clue I found is that there is a Scottish name: McKowen... well, who know!?? Thank's for any further help and hints! Bernd Hi, I don't know any word that would fit for 'Kowen' A lot of names where changed when the people entered the USA. So 'Kowen' is maybe 'Kauern' Kauern is used for to hide some were, to squat,to bend the knies, bend down,so it is a position.Position is 'Stellung'in German position,employment,job,place. It can be a rank,posture,attitude and give one's opinion. I don,t know what the word means ,that is just some idea I have. But I am wrong very often,too. Katharina Hi, wer kann mir was zu dem Namen KOWEN sagen. Er taucht unter meinen Vornamen auf. Weiss jemand was ueber diesen Namen? Die Namenstraeger sind im Mitteldeutschen (Thueringen, Franken) zu finden. Moegliche Herkunft: Vielleicht vom juedischen Cohen/Kohen? Im englischen finden wir Cowen/Cowan... Wer weiss was dazu? Danke fuer info! Bernd aus Rom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello @ll, I am intrested in the surname Switala (Switalla, Schwitalla ?), but could not find to much. So what I found where the below trees of WFT where the name Switala is included. Is it possible that somebody who has the below CD's can send me the trees ? By the way my grandfather Stanislaus Switala was born in Jutrosin/Prov. of Posen and had 11 brothers and one sister... WFT Volume #1 Tree #1221 WFT Volume #2 Tree #4702 WFT Volume #2 Tree #2149 WFT Volume #3 Tree #3664 WFT Volume 23. Tree: 278 WFT Volume 25. Tree: 271 WFT Volume 27. Tree: 1917 WFT Volume 28. Tree: 1260 WFT Volume 37. Tree: 1228 Thanks in advance... Andre Switala S*W*I*T*A*L*A *** M*I*R*L*E [email protected] , ICQ#42312784

Why cant Cowen/Cowan fit in English?? They are well known names in england

Hi, I am looking for a good webside on Wappenkunde-Heraldry It can be in German or English. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you Katharina Hines-Selmer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

A. Benjamin: I began to download these maps for you, but there are too many choices, and you can find a map for each one listed here at: Microsoft expediamaps, <http://www.expediamaps.com> Then click on the Place Finder (in the entire world), and enter your city or state or country or place and you'll get several levels of maps. Have fun. Patricia Schubert Zippin >1, 1868 in Winsdorf, Oberschlessien. Last known place lived was Weisswasser, >Oberschlessien. > >In addition, if anyone can point me in the direction to find maps of the >follwoing areas or scan them and send through e-mail: > >(1)Ziegenhals-Neuland (city or town) Search Results Ziegenhals [Glucholazy], Województwo Opolskie, Poland Ziegenhals, Brandenburg, Germany Ziegelhausen, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Ziegenhain, Hessen, Germany Ziegenhain, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Ziegenhain, Sachsen, Germany Ziegenhain, Thüringen, Germany Ziegenhagen, Hessen, Germany Ziegenhagen, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany Zissenhausen, Niedersachsen, Germany Ziegenbach, Bayern, Germany >or >(2)Oberschlessien (State) Search Results Oberschlesien [Upper Silesia], Europe Andreashütte Oberschlesien [Zawadzkie], Województwo Opolskie, Poland Malapane Oberschlesien [Ozimek], Województwo Opolskie, Poland Zawadzki Oberschlesien [Zawadzkie], Województwo Opolskie, Poland Neustadt in Oberschlesien [Prudnik], Województwo Opolskie, Poland Oberschleissheim, Bayern, Germany Oberschledorn, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Oberschmeien, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Oberschneiding, Bayern, Germany Oberschönhagen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Oberschlettenbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Oberschelden, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Obersachswerfen, Thüringen, Germany Obermaiselstein, Bayern, Germany Oberschwaningen, Bayern, Germany Oberschefflenz, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Oberschleichach, Bayern, Germany Oberschönbronn, Bayern, Germany Oberschlechtbach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Obersiebenbrunn, Niederösterreich, Austria Search Results Oberscheden, Niedersachsen, Germany Oberlahnstein, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Oberschöllenbach, Bayern, Germany Oberviehhausen, Bayern, Germany >or >(3)Schlessien (State) Search Results Schlesien, Namibia Waldenburg in Schlesien [Walbrzych], Województwo Walbrzyskie, Poland Schlawa Schlesien [Slawa], Województwo Zielonogórskie, Poland Frankenstein in Schlesien [Zabkowice Slaskie], Województwo Walbrzyskie, Poland Freiburg in Schlesien [Swiebodzice], Województwo Walbrzyskie, Poland Friedland in Schlesien [Mieroszów], Województwo Walbrzyskie, Poland Goldberg in Schlesien [Zlotoryja], Województwo Legnickie, Poland Hirschberg in Schlesien [Jelenia Góra], Województwo Jeleniogórskie, Poland Liebau in Schlesien [Lubawka], Województwo Jeleniogórskie, Poland Reichenbach in Schlesien [Dzierzoniów], Województwo Walbrzyskie, Poland Schmiedeberg in Schlesien [Kowary], Województwo Jeleniogórskie, Poland Schleusingen, Thüringen, Germany Schlesien Noord, Namibia Schmedissen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Schleiden, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Schlesin, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany Schweidnitz-Schlesian [Swidnica], Województwo Walbrzyskie, Poland Schlesiersee [Slawa], Województwo Zielonogórskie, Poland Schlosssee, lake, Poland Schiessen, Bayern, Germany Next 20 >or >(4)Winsdorf (city or town) Wainsdorf, Brandenburg, Germany Weinsdorf, Sachsen, Germany Wansdorf, Brandenburg, Germany Wilsdorf, Thüringen, Germany Wünsdorf, Brandenburg, Germany Weissdorf, Bayern, Germany Wendsdorf, Bayern, Germany Varnsdorf, Severoceský Kraj, Czech Republic Winsford, Cheshire, England, United Kingdom Warnsdorf [Varnsdorf], Severoceský Kraj, Czech Republic Windorf, Bayern, Germany Windorf, Oberösterreich, Austria Windorf, Sachsen, Germany Windorf, Steiermark, Austria Winseldorf, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany Windsor, Ontario, Canada Windsor, second-order administrative division, United States Vindorf, Niedersachsen, Germany Leuthen-Wintdorf, Brandenburg, Germany Next 20 >or >(5)Weisswasser (city or town) Weisswasser, Sachsen, Germany Weißwasser [Weisswasser], Sachsen, Germany Weisweiler, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Weissensee, neighborhood, Berlin, Germany Weissensee, Thüringen, Germany Weissensberg, Bayern, Germany Weissewarte, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany Veitsweiler, Bayern, Germany Weierweiler, Saarland, Germany Weissenstein, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Weissenstein, Kärnten, Austria Weissenhasel, Hessen, Germany Weissenmoor, Niedersachsen, Germany Weisstannen, Sankt Gallen, Switzerland Weissenalbern, Niederösterreich, Austria Weissenberg, Bayern, Germany Weissenberg, Kärnten, Austria Weissenberg, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Weissenberg, Oberösterreich, Austria Weissenberg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Weissenberg, Sachsen, Germany - ---------------------------

Hi Dieter, Thanks for the information. I had several replies to my query on Vogler Mountain. We should all be very thankful for the people on this list (I know I am). Regards, Phil Vogler Berwick, Nova Scotia. -----Original Message----- From: Dieter Taube [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMANKING] Vogler Mountain, north of Hanover Phil Vogler wrote: > > I just received another hint as to the origin of my ancestor. > Has anyone heard of Vogler's Mountain? Apparently it exists somewhere > north of Hanover. Not north but south. There's a little mountain called "the Vogler" between Bodenwerder and Eschershausen not far from Hameln. * Dieter ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== Sister, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected]

Hi Neva and Donna, According to my ADAC MaxiAtlas Deutschland it's there all right. It says use the Blomberg town Zip Code-- 32825 in sending any letters to Reelkirchen. I believe this town is in the State of Nordrhein-Westfalen. Good hunting! Carl Spaeth Kensington, Maryland USA Neva & Donna Muehlenbein wrote: > > I'm looking for the town of Reelkirchen, Germany in West Prussia. My > GGGrandfather Frederick Muehlenbein, got permission in 1854 to come to > America. He had to go to Detmold for permission. > I can't find the town he was from on any old map. Probably an old town that > is not there anymore. the German spelling of Muehlenbein is 2.. over the u > and no e. I think kirchen means church. i hope someone can help me. Thanks > Neva > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Sister, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected] -- ============================================================ Researching the following: ALPI and PARIZZI in Fidenza, Parma, Emilia-Romagna, Italy ADAMS and BRINDLEY in Staffordshire and Warwickshire, UK BROGDEN in Mississippi, Alabama and Texas ELLIS, PHILLIPS and STINNETT in McNairy County, Tennessee and Texas GABRIEL and WILLIAMS in County Cork, Munster, Ireland GEREKE, SACHTLEBEN and SPETH in Quedlinburg, Sachsen, Germany GILARDONI and ROTAX in Halberstadt, Sachsen, Germany ============================================================ Carl SPAETH 10217 Kensington Pkwy Apt 204 Kensington MD 20895-3333 USA 301-946-4779 [email protected]

Is there a book on the people who used this route? What time era's was this used? "PATRICIA S. SMITH" wrote: > Detroit would be a port of entry from Canada. > > pat smith > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Sister, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected]

You can find any town on earth at http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/towns.htm Use Site #1 for town names before 1960 in Germany. Use Site #2 for town names since then. You can also use http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm for postal zip codes in Germany. Scroll down to the link. ;~) Don

Phil Vogler wrote: > > I just received another hint as to the origin of my ancestor. > Has anyone heard of Vogler's Mountain? Apparently it exists somewhere > north of Hanover. Not north but south. There's a little mountain called "the Vogler" between Bodenwerder and Eschershausen not far from Hameln. * Dieter

Orig Msg From: "Neva & Donna Muehlenbein" <[email protected]> <I'm looking for the town of Reelkirchen, Germany in West Prussia.> Reelkirchen is a small town 6 miles southeast of Detmold on Route 1 (designated a tourist/scenic road). The nearest town of any size is 32805 Bad Meinberg Horn 2 miles southwest of Reelkirchen. I found no postal code for it in my index. It is in Lippe (Detmold) district, Kreise Lippe, Nordrhein-Westfalen. For a map, go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~deunrhwf/kreismap2.htm and www.mapquest.com An excellent website for Lippe (in English) is: http://www2.genealogy.net/gene/reg/NRHE-WFA/lippe.html or http://www.genealogy.net/gene/reg/NRHE-WFA/lippe.html The last time I accessed the site, it was in beta testing. It lists all the libraries, governmental archives & church addresses for research. If you read German go to http://www.lwl.org/HTML/ALLGEM/ALLGEM01.HTM (not sure if last part of URL is HTM or HTML) My ancestors came from the same area, a little north of Reelkirchen. I'm researching: DRIER, EHLENBROKER, ENGELER FINNEN, HOFEMANN, KRIETENSTEIN, PRUSZNER in Bruntrup, Brundtrip-Montcholr (Talle), Hagen. Horstmar, Lemgo, Leese & Talle in Kreise Lippe, N-W. Best of luck in your search. Curt

I'm looking for the town of Reelkirchen, Germany in West Prussia. My GGGrandfather Frederick Muehlenbein, got permission in 1854 to come to America. He had to go to Detmold for permission. I can't find the town he was from on any old map. Probably an old town that is not there anymore. the German spelling of Muehlenbein is 2.. over the u and no e. I think kirchen means church. i hope someone can help me. Thanks Neva

At 9:15 AM -0700 9/15/99, Katharina Hines wrote: >Hi, >I don't know any word that would fit for 'Kowen' It would seem to me that the closest fit, in English could be Cohen. -John

Thanks to everyone who wrote with search hints, & to Doug Nicol for his list of books. (And to Russ for his very nice comment.) As I mentioned, I do have 2 books about my one ancestral town of Schale. The other town, Sonneborn, is more of a problem, although a cousin may have a lead for me on that one. I realize both of these towns are in Westfalen which is not covered by this list, but both are border towns & have connections outside of Westfalen. A search on Amazon.com under "history" & "Germany" came up with 91 hits. I haven't had time to look through the whole list yet. Sometime soon I'll go to our library & fill out more inter-library loan requests. I've done it so often that they joke about giving me my own space in their file drawer! Thanks again. Gloria (Landwer) Scott

Detroit would be a port of entry from Canada. pat smith

Hi, I think so ,too. I just where looking for a German word. Katharina >From: Peg Faludi <[email protected]> >To: "Katharina Hines" <[email protected]>, [email protected] >Subject: Re: Fwd: [GERMANKING] Kowen ??? >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:31:57 -0500 > >At 9:15 AM -0700 9/15/99, Katharina Hines wrote: >>Hi, >>I don't know any word that would fit for 'Kowen' > >It would seem to me that the closest fit, in English could be Cohen. > >-John > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, wer kann mir was zu dem Namen KOWEN sagen. Er taucht unter meinen Vornamen auf. Weiss jemand was ueber diesen Namen? Die Namenstraeger sind im Mitteldeutschen (Thueringen, Franken) zu finden. Moegliche Herkunft: Vielleicht vom juedischen Cohen/Kohen? Im englischen finden wir Cowen/Cowan... Wer weiss was dazu? Danke fuer info! Bernd aus Rom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com