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Word zug has turned up some material from Germany. Can't find it in my little German dictionary or in the list of titles/occupations in the Research Companion to German genealogy. Is it short for zeuchmacher (clothmaker)? Thanks. pat smith

the masculine word "Zug" has a variety of meanings, including train (like a choo choo) parade pulling, tension or strain march, marching or passage progress procession migration, flight, flock draft (of air) and a bunch of others Hope that helps Bill in Denver

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For those looking to find books on German history I would recommend a series written by Hajo Holborn and published by Princeton University. I found them available on special order through major bookstores such as Borders. A History of Modern Germany, The Reformation (1100-1648), published 1959 A History of Modern Germany, 1648-1840, published 1963 A history of Modern Germany, 1840-1945, published 1969 Donald Lee Purfeerst [email protected]

[email protected] wrote: > > Immigration records found in Russia list our ancestor as being from Isenburg. > In 1766 what were the boundries of Isenburg and where would that be found in > the current Germany? Rayna - Oklahoma City Isenburg is some km north of Koblenz, today Rheinland-Pfalz (In English Rhineland-Palatinate or so). 1766, that's difficult: borders changed there every 10 years. I guess it was the Grafschaft Wied (county of Wied) or the archbishopric of Trier, but I'm not sure. Dieter

Janis Young Aguilar wrote: > > I cannot find Meura, Germany. I believe it is around Schwarzburg, > Rudolstadt. Does anyone know if this is in Thurningen? > Meura, 11°12'26" East, 50°35'6" North, southwest of Saalfeld. Today in Thuringia, in the good old days principality of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt. Dieter

http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm is all you need. ;~) Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Hyland <[email protected]> I just found out today that my great grandfather came from Saxony to New Jersey, USA. I'm hoping that there is a central address like archives that I can request info about them from.

Hi, everybody, I just found out today that my great grandfather came from Saxony to New Jersey, USA. I'm hoping that there is a central address like archives that I can request info about them from. My great grandfather was CARL GUTSCHMIDT who with his brother, HERMAN GUTSCHMIDT came to Jersey City, NJ in 1880. HERMAN came first and CARL followed. CARL was married to CAROLINE TEICHMANN and had children when he arrived about 1887. How do I find out more about them. I have naturalization records and death records which have got me to this point. Just today I found HERMAN arrived from Saxony via Hamburg & Havre in USA on 3/8/1880. Any pointers would be great appreciated. [email protected]

HI would this be Moehra? That is where relatives of Luther lived in the 19th century I know as a relative of mine went there (in Thuringia) to pick up Ernst and (?) Luther to give them a free education on the 300th anniversary of the Reformation..it is indeed near the Principality von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt...Jewish Gen shetl seeker can give you exact coordinates but dont have the URL handy..good luck! JFP ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMANKING] Meura, Schwarzburg, Rudolstadt > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 3:44 PM > > In a message dated 9/30/99 3:13:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > << I cannot find Meura, Germany. I believe it is around Schwarzburg, > Rudolstadt. Does anyone know if this is in Thurningen? > Any help appreciated, I am lost! > Janis >> > > Janis: you may have seen the messages where I too was/am hunting for towns. > Let me pass on two things to you: > > 1) http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/towns.htm > > (Thanks, Don!! Already passing this on!!) :-) > > There are several different town searching tools at that site - so you can > explore any or all you'ld like... > > 2) Ran the first program on just one spelling "Meura" and selected "Germany" > - got back a list of 27 possible town names/locations - some looker "closer" > than others as possibilities. Have a look and see what you think. > > Just as examples from that list of 27: there is one "meura", two "meuro", > one "miera" - and you see the idea ... The "Meura" is described as "163.5 > miles SW of Berlin" at coordinates 5035 1112. You can click on the > coordinates and take a look at a map. You will see a "red star" for the town > - and Eisfeld to the SW and Saalfeld to the NE. The scale of the map is at > the upper right of the first map you see and you can adjust your distance > views if you like. > > Good luck! > debbie > (ps - if you believer the town you're looking for is near the other two you > mention - look them up too - or search "around" coordinates, etc etc...???) > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Sister, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected] >

Thanks, everyone, for all your great help! Now that I've located it, I can't imagine how hard it must have been for them to get to a port so that they could sail to America! Janis >

56271 Isenburg is in district NR (Neuwied/Rhein) 6-7 miles due north of Koblenz in Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate). As far as what geopolitical entity it belonged in 1763, the Hesse rootsweb home page has excellent map resources at http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm Best of luck in your search. Curt [email protected] on 09/30/99 03:34:03 PM To: [email protected] cc: Subject: [GERMANKING] Isenburg Immigration records found in Russia list our ancestor as being from Isenburg. In 1766 what were the boundries of Isenburg and where would that be found in the current Germany? Rayna - Oklahoma City ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== Brother, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected]

I cannot find Meura, Germany. I believe it is around Schwarzburg, Rudolstadt. Does anyone know if this is in Thurningen? Any help appreciated, I am lost! Janis >

Dear Listmembers, I have to unsubscribe now since I will be leaving on Sunday for the move to Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania. I'll rejoin after I am settled into my new house and have a new ISP. Meanwhile, happy ancestor hunting, Doug Nicol Santa Rosa CA (not for long!)

Dear Listmembers, I have to unsubscribe now since I will be leaving on Sunday for the move to Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania. I'll rejoin after I am settled into my new house and have a new ISP. Meanwhile, happy ancestor hunting, Doug Nicol Santa Rosa CA (not for long!)

I just checked the Meyer's on an offchance and found Gross Butzig, Kreis Flatow in Brandenburg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dieter Taube <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:49 PM Subject: [GERMANKING] Re: Gross Buetzin and Azelshof [email protected] wrote: > > Hello Dieter, Don, Pat, Curt? and listmembers, > > First, let me thank you all for working on this with me. I hope this topic > is not now boring several of you on the list! It appears there are a few > scenarios being put forward as possible answers for finding these two towns. > > 1) Gross Buetzin - in the former Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin in > today's Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Azelshof as an "unknown" but with three > possible closeby names: Amalienhof, Annenhof and Axelshof. Today I spoke with a few authorities in the area of Gro_-B|tzin. Of Azelshof no one ever heard. You said that your great-grandfather is born in Prussia and not in Mecklenburg. It is naturally well possible that there was still another Gross-Buetzin in East Germany which today is Polish area. Maybe in Pomerania, eastern Brandenburg or West Prussia. I will try to find a few books in which I learn more about it. A woman in an office promised me to check if there are old recordings, in which Ernst Witt could be registered. I should phone and ask next week again, whether she found somewhat. Perhaps we are lucky with this. > 2) No Gross Buetzin - but rather go with "Gross Buelten" (southeast of > Hannover and west of Braunschweig). This would make it the former Kingdom of > Hannover. Azelshof is again an "unknown" but there is an "Asel" 10 miles > from Gross Buelten. Don't believe. > 3) Gross Buetzin (now spelled "Gross-Butzin") - again in the Mecklenburg > area - then with the JewishGen shtetl seeker and the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex > system - get "Eichelshof" for the Azelshof - and thus find it in > Baden-Wurttenberg near the Neckar River. Surely not. The name "Gro_-B|tzin" is typically for north east Germany. The areas northeasterly the Elbe river were inhabited some centuries long by Slavic people. After the year 1000 (approx.) the land became German and Danish and it was slowly germanized. Therefore place-names are often of Slavic source; one recognizes it at name endings like ...in (see Berlin). I cannot imagine that You will detect a place named "Gro_-B|tzin" or alike in central or southern Germany. Those names completely clearly belong to Mecklenburg or Prussia. > 4) "Butzen" in Brandenburg - and "nothing close to Azelshof" nearby. Why "Butzen" if You have "Gro_-B|tzin" ? (By the way: can You read the book _ and the 'Umlaut' | ?) > 5) And then of course there is the map program (maps.excite.com) that > wrongly told me that both town names not only exist, but indiscriminately > placed them in the middle of the country - leading me to the postings about > "Thuringia".!! (as Dieter pointed out, any town name it doesn't recognize, > it simply places "there"). > > A thought - where is that "GEOS" program again? I could try both names in > that and see what it finds too... > > It's looking to me like Gross Buetzin in MS is the likely place to start - > and it matches "exactly" to what the parish registers said. (with the umlaut > over the u of course, instead of my ue written in instead). Then, that > "Axelshof" Dieter mentioned as one possible nearby location is really "close" > in spelling to the "Azelshof". Not sure if it is close "by sound". Yes, only the consonant is different. > Dieter, might I take you up on your offer to call Gross Buetzin tomorrow and > see what they think a likely "Azelshof" might be? Please let me know if this > is a toll call of any kind for you - so I can reimburse any costs you have to > place a call. There are no mentionable costs. Let me know, if I can help You anytime by telephone calls or what ever here in Germany. > As for specific names/dates you asked about - they would be: > 1) For Gross Buetzin: Ernst WITT - born 08 Oct 1854 > 2) For Azelshof: Maria W KRUEGER - born 31 May 1859. Family says her > father: Christian F Carl KRUEGER was born 23 April 1824. (married to a > Sophia HIllman?) > > Ernst & Maria's birthdates are from their US death certificates and therefore > are not yet "proven" until the actual birth records are found and Maria's > father's birthdate comes "from family" so I don't really know if it is > accurate or not. All noted. > (Again, Dieter, please contact me privately if you run into any costs on this > so I can compensate you....) > > I find Maria's siblings Hannah, Fred. and Whilamena here in the USA also, but > have never found the parents, so don't know if they left DEU or not.... > > debbie > (One good thing from all this - I went to my basic Encyclopedia Britannica > last night and found a _lot_ of information! Page 38 to page 180 and a great > overview to help my general understanding as I move more and more into > research there...) I know that feeling. A last hint: Take a look at the web site of Karin Schoepke: http://www.on-line.de/~karin.schoepke/ She knows very much about the genealogy of Northern Germany and seems to be very cooperatively. Dieter ______________________________

In a message dated 9/30/99 3:13:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I cannot find Meura, Germany. I believe it is around Schwarzburg, Rudolstadt. Does anyone know if this is in Thurningen? Any help appreciated, I am lost! Janis >> Janis: you may have seen the messages where I too was/am hunting for towns. Let me pass on two things to you: 1) http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/towns.htm (Thanks, Don!! Already passing this on!!) :-) There are several different town searching tools at that site - so you can explore any or all you'ld like... 2) Ran the first program on just one spelling "Meura" and selected "Germany" - got back a list of 27 possible town names/locations - some looker "closer" than others as possibilities. Have a look and see what you think. Just as examples from that list of 27: there is one "meura", two "meuro", one "miera" - and you see the idea ... The "Meura" is described as "163.5 miles SW of Berlin" at coordinates 5035 1112. You can click on the coordinates and take a look at a map. You will see a "red star" for the town - and Eisfeld to the SW and Saalfeld to the NE. The scale of the map is at the upper right of the first map you see and you can adjust your distance views if you like. Good luck! debbie (ps - if you believer the town you're looking for is near the other two you mention - look them up too - or search "around" coordinates, etc etc...???)

Immigration records found in Russia list our ancestor as being from Isenburg. In 1766 what were the boundries of Isenburg and where would that be found in the current Germany? Rayna - Oklahoma City

You can easily make the German umlauts and ß on your computer. Hold down the Alt key, and on the numeric keypad, type the number and then release the Alt key: ä = 132 Ä = 142 ë = 137 ï = 139 ö = 148 Ö = 153 ü = 129 Ü = 154 ß = 225 You must use the numbers on the numeric keypad. It will not work if you use the numbers on the regular keyboard. You must hold the Alt key down while you type the number. Jan

Any lister here related to a Knopf or Kronshinsky? I am getting desperate!! Thanx. Viola.